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Just looking for updates...Last thing I have seen was from the 20th

Sep 20 Jacobs (knee) is looking healthy, but has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Redskins, the Giants' web site reports. (Jacobs) is coming along well,” coach Tom Coughlin said. “He feels good. If you didn’t know differently, you would have him out there.”

Recommendation: Good news for Jacobs owners as it sounds like he could be back by Week 4, the lower end of his 3-5 week range. Of course, with the emergence of Derrick Ward, it remains to be seen how the carries will be split once Jacobs does return

 
RotoWorld:

The Giants hope to have Brandon Jacobs back within the next two weeks.

Derrick Ward has likely carved out a permanent role during Jacobs' absence, be it as a third-down back or committee member. Jacobs is still likely to get the goal-line carries when he returns. See if he practices this week.

 
Here's hoping that Jacobs returns this week ... and Ward hits the pine. But it probably won't happen.
Ward is going to play a significant role going forward regardless of whether Jacobs is healthy or not. Don't be surprised if it winds up being a Tiki-Jacobs type of distribution, with Jacobs falling back into the role he played when Tiki was with the team. I doubt Ward will get quite that many carries, but he will play a major role nonetheless.
 
Ward will the the third-down back. Period. IMO.
I could see a series here and there as well, especially the first few weeks Jacobs can play. I don't see a lasting, substantial RBBC. It's pretty much conjecture no matter who says what. We'll know when we see Jacobs playing again in the next week or two.
 
Here's hoping that Jacobs returns this week ... and Ward hits the pine. But it probably won't happen.
Ward is going to play a significant role going forward regardless of whether Jacobs is healthy or not. Don't be surprised if it winds up being a Tiki-Jacobs type of distribution, with Jacobs falling back into the role he played when Tiki was with the team. I doubt Ward will get quite that many carries, but he will play a major role nonetheless.
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Here's hoping that Jacobs returns this week ... and Ward hits the pine. But it probably won't happen.
Ward is going to play a significant role going forward regardless of whether Jacobs is healthy or not. Don't be surprised if it winds up being a Tiki-Jacobs type of distribution, with Jacobs falling back into the role he played when Tiki was with the team. I doubt Ward will get quite that many carries, but he will play a major role nonetheless.
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Just my opinion based on watching the Giants play.
 
Ward will the the third-down back. Period. IMO.
Have you even seen Ward play? I am guessing the answer is no because if you had you would not be saying this.
Dude, you may be right on Ward, but I've seen two games myself, and Ward is not so good that he has made everyone forget LT or anything. I'd like to see what Jacobs can do when healthy. I've also seen that Ward himself has a nick somewhere (ankle?). For what it's worth, Ward might have already been slated to get 6, 8, 10 touches a game. The Giants -- specifically Jacobs -- never got that far.I get that you are high on Ward. I think he's OK, but nothing that special. Once Jacobs gets close to full health, if he's playing well, Ward will not be seeing a large number of plays. Of course, if Jacobs isn't playing well, Jacobs owners probably won't care one way or the other, as he won't be worth starting anyway.
 
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Ward will the the third-down back. Period. IMO.
Have you even seen Ward play? I am guessing the answer is no because if you had you would not be saying this.
Dude, you may be right on Ward, but I've seen two games myself, and Ward is not so good that he has made everyone forget LT or anything. I'd like to see what Jacobs can do when healthy. I've also seen that Ward himself has a nick somewhere (ankle?). For what it's worth, Ward might have already been slated to get 6, 8, 10 touches a game. The Giants -- specifically Jacobs -- never got that far.I get that you are high on Ward. I think he's OK, but nothing that special. Once Jacobs gets close to full health, if he's playing well, Ward will not be seeing a large number of plays. Of course, if Jacobs isn't playing well, Jacobs owners probably won't care one way or the other, as he won't be worth starting anyway.
Yep.
 
Here's hoping that Jacobs returns this week ... and Ward hits the pine. But it probably won't happen.
Ward is going to play a significant role going forward regardless of whether Jacobs is healthy or not. Don't be surprised if it winds up being a Tiki-Jacobs type of distribution, with Jacobs falling back into the role he played when Tiki was with the team. I doubt Ward will get quite that many carries, but he will play a major role nonetheless.
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Just my opinion based on watching the Giants play.
Oh, you talked as if you were a consultant to coughlin and were in the "know".
 
Ward will the the third-down back. Period. IMO.
Have you even seen Ward play? I am guessing the answer is no because if you had you would not be saying this.
Dude, you may be right on Ward, but I've seen two games myself, and Ward is not so good that he has made everyone forget LT or anything. I'd like to see what Jacobs can do when healthy. I've also seen that Ward himself has a nick somewhere (ankle?). For what it's worth, Ward might have already been slated to get 6, 8, 10 touches a game. The Giants -- specifically Jacobs -- never got that far.I get that you are high on Ward. I think he's OK, but nothing that special. Once Jacobs gets close to full health, if he's playing well, Ward will not be seeing a large number of plays. Of course, if Jacobs isn't playing well, Jacobs owners probably won't care one way or the other, as he won't be worth starting anyway.
Who is talking about forgetting LT? You can't seriously compare LT, an established superstar, to Jacobs. I never said Ward was the next LT, so stop putting words in my mouth. I also don't think Jacobs is the next LT and Ward has earned the right to play a significant role going forward. He has been the best player on the team so far. I have seen nothing to make me think Ward won't play a major role even when Jacobs comes back so I really don't get where everyone is coming from when they say things like Ward will be nothing more than a 3rd down back and that's it.ETA - I don't care about Jacobs owners and whether he is starting in fantasy football. I care about the Giants and want them to play the best players that give them the best chance to win. That is the perspective that I am coming from here.
 
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Here's hoping that Jacobs returns this week ... and Ward hits the pine. But it probably won't happen.
Ward is going to play a significant role going forward regardless of whether Jacobs is healthy or not. Don't be surprised if it winds up being a Tiki-Jacobs type of distribution, with Jacobs falling back into the role he played when Tiki was with the team. I doubt Ward will get quite that many carries, but he will play a major role nonetheless.
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Just my opinion based on watching the Giants play.
Oh, you talked as if you were a consultant to coughlin and were in the "know".
Does someone actually need to say "in my opinion" after every sentence for you to understand??? Do you have links to where what you are saying in any thread is based on fact?
 
Ward will the the third-down back. Period. IMO.
Have you even seen Ward play? I am guessing the answer is no because if you had you would not be saying this.
Dude, you may be right on Ward, but I've seen two games myself, and Ward is not so good that he has made everyone forget LT or anything. I'd like to see what Jacobs can do when healthy. I've also seen that Ward himself has a nick somewhere (ankle?). For what it's worth, Ward might have already been slated to get 6, 8, 10 touches a game. The Giants -- specifically Jacobs -- never got that far.I get that you are high on Ward. I think he's OK, but nothing that special. Once Jacobs gets close to full health, if he's playing well, Ward will not be seeing a large number of plays. Of course, if Jacobs isn't playing well, Jacobs owners probably won't care one way or the other, as he won't be worth starting anyway.
Who is talking about forgetting LT? You can't seriously compare LT, an established superstar, to Jacobs. I never said Ward was the next LT, so stop putting words in my mouth. I also don't think Jacobs is the next LT and Ward has earned the right to play a significant role going forward. He has been the best player on the team so far. I have seen nothing to make me think Ward won't play a major role even when Jacobs comes back so I really don't get where everyone is coming from when they say things like Ward will be nothing more than a 3rd down back and that's it.
so how many leagues do you have ward in? :thumbup:
 
Ward will the the third-down back. Period. IMO.
Have you even seen Ward play? I am guessing the answer is no because if you had you would not be saying this.
Dude, you may be right on Ward, but I've seen two games myself, and Ward is not so good that he has made everyone forget LT or anything. I'd like to see what Jacobs can do when healthy. I've also seen that Ward himself has a nick somewhere (ankle?). For what it's worth, Ward might have already been slated to get 6, 8, 10 touches a game. The Giants -- specifically Jacobs -- never got that far.I get that you are high on Ward. I think he's OK, but nothing that special. Once Jacobs gets close to full health, if he's playing well, Ward will not be seeing a large number of plays. Of course, if Jacobs isn't playing well, Jacobs owners probably won't care one way or the other, as he won't be worth starting anyway.
Who is talking about forgetting LT? You can't seriously compare LT, an established superstar, to Jacobs. I never said Ward was the next LT, so stop putting words in my mouth. I also don't think Jacobs is the next LT and Ward has earned the right to play a significant role going forward. He has been the best player on the team so far. I have seen nothing to make me think Ward won't play a major role even when Jacobs comes back so I really don't get where everyone is coming from when they say things like Ward will be nothing more than a 3rd down back and that's it.
so how many leagues do you have ward in? :thumbup:
:thumbup: :mellow: Like I have said many times, I don't care about fantasy football in this case. I care about the Giants and I want them to play the best players that give them the best chance to win. Anyway, if it's RBBC like I am saying, I doubt either will be much more than a decent flex starter in fantasy football.How many leagues do you own Jacobs? :unsure:ETA - I have been saying to watch out for Ward since long before the season started and Jacobs got injured. My comments/opinions have little to do with fantasy football and much more to do with the Giants.
 
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Ward will the the third-down back. Period. IMO.
Have you even seen Ward play? I am guessing the answer is no because if you had you would not be saying this.
Dude, this is why some of us are giving you grief. We all have opinions here. Some of us even put "IMO" at the end. Yet you accuse us of not watching the Giants, etc. Like The Jerk, I'm not wildly impressed by Ward. I think Jacobs is a better back. I think he'll be a third-down back. End of story. IMO!!!!!
 
Who is talking about forgetting LT? You can't seriously compare LT, an established superstar, to Jacobs. I never said Ward was the next LT, so stop putting words in my mouth. I also don't think Jacobs is the next LT and Ward has earned the right to play a significant role going forward. He has been the best player on the team so far. I have seen nothing to make me think Ward won't play a major role even when Jacobs comes back so I really don't get where everyone is coming from when they say things like Ward will be nothing more than a 3rd down back and that's it.ETA - I don't care about Jacobs owners and whether he is starting in fantasy football. I care about the Giants and want them to play the best players that give them the best chance to win. That is the perspective that I am coming from here.
Comparing WARD to LT (not Jacobs, Ward) is a technique known as hyperbole. It's not putting words in anyone's mouth, just a way to communicate that his play has not been spectacular, merely fairly typical for a RB getting a lot of carries in the NFL.Secondly, you might have noticed at some point that this message board has a very strong link to a website based on fantasy football, so it shouldn't be that surprising that the information discussed in a thread would eventually be connected to whatever fantasy relevance may be found therein.The bottom line is that your opinion on Ward's talent and future role are not shared by others. This isn't exactly new. It happens hundreds or thousands of times a day in this forum between different posters. Like you, I believe the Giants maximize their chances to win by playing their best players as much as possible. Unlike you, I believe they will turn to Jacobs as part of that effort once and if he is fully healthy. Ward's performance has accomplished one thing at least; it has made the hook on an underperforming Jacobs likely to occur much sooner as he has shown competence as a backup.
 
Jacobs may be active for Week 4, but I wouldn't count on him for a positive fantasy output. I'd personally like to see him rest up and grab about 10 carries in Week 5 against NYJ as a warm-up game....only smash ATL in the mouth in Week 6.

 
As a lifelong Giants fan, I believe Jacobs will be given the chance to win back a position where he starts, gets 65+% of the carries, and all goalline carries. Ward will be the 3rd down back and first off the bench. A three-back system is too complicated for Coughlin to process, so Droughns should be relegated to fullback. Ahmad Bradshaw, not D. Ward, is the only viable long-term challenger to Jacobs' starting role currently on the roster.

 
Here is my OPINION of this situation. I get the people that are down on Ward, the guy played ok in two games and has hardly wowed anyone, I thought he was decent but I get where people haven't seen enough.

What I don't get is the love for Jacobs, this guy had less than a 100 carries over 15 games last year. He has shown me he can be a decent goal line back but to be honest I haven't seen anything that indicates that Jacobs is any better than Ward as the feature back. I am not saying Jacobs can't be good, but how can you say you haven't seen enough out of Ward but have with Jacobs?

This is year one of replacing a pro bowl fixture at running back, to think that Jacobs has a lock on the job is foolish at this point.

 
Loan Sharks said:
Here is my OPINION of this situation. I get the people that are down on Ward, the guy played ok in two games and has hardly wowed anyone, I thought he was decent but I get where people haven't seen enough. What I don't get is the love for Jacobs, this guy had less than a 100 carries over 15 games last year. He has shown me he can be a decent goal line back but to be honest I haven't seen anything that indicates that Jacobs is any better than Ward as the feature back. I am not saying Jacobs can't be good, but how can you say you haven't seen enough out of Ward but have with Jacobs? This is year one of replacing a pro bowl fixture at running back, to think that Jacobs has a lock on the job is foolish at this point.
Great post. I agree with you, but I think Jacobs will be given the opportunity to win the starting job back. However, Ward has played well enough to have earned a role in the offense. What the split will be is anyone's guess at this point. As a Jacobs owner, I hope BJ gets the majority of the touches. :)
 
The Jerk said:
RC94 said:
Who is talking about forgetting LT? You can't seriously compare LT, an established superstar, to Jacobs. I never said Ward was the next LT, so stop putting words in my mouth. I also don't think Jacobs is the next LT and Ward has earned the right to play a significant role going forward. He has been the best player on the team so far. I have seen nothing to make me think Ward won't play a major role even when Jacobs comes back so I really don't get where everyone is coming from when they say things like Ward will be nothing more than a 3rd down back and that's it.ETA - I don't care about Jacobs owners and whether he is starting in fantasy football. I care about the Giants and want them to play the best players that give them the best chance to win. That is the perspective that I am coming from here.
Comparing WARD to LT (not Jacobs, Ward) is a technique known as hyperbole. It's not putting words in anyone's mouth, just a way to communicate that his play has not been spectacular, merely fairly typical for a RB getting a lot of carries in the NFL.Secondly, you might have noticed at some point that this message board has a very strong link to a website based on fantasy football, so it shouldn't be that surprising that the information discussed in a thread would eventually be connected to whatever fantasy relevance may be found therein.The bottom line is that your opinion on Ward's talent and future role are not shared by others. This isn't exactly new. It happens hundreds or thousands of times a day in this forum between different posters. Like you, I believe the Giants maximize their chances to win by playing their best players as much as possible. Unlike you, I believe they will turn to Jacobs as part of that effort once and if he is fully healthy. Ward's performance has accomplished one thing at least; it has made the hook on an underperforming Jacobs likely to occur much sooner as he has shown competence as a backup.
:) and also quite entertaining. Thanks. :excited:
 
The Giants believe Jacobs can dominate a 4th Q especially if he's "fresh-er" than the D.

Droughns has shown he can be an excellent 3rd down back. He's better at catching than some here thought and most importantly, the former FB is excellent at blitz pickup. Ward did play the 3rd down back role at times with Barber and he did OK back then.

Droughns has shown this past week he can be a pretty good GL back. Jacobs has shown he's a very good GL back.

It's believed Jacobs will be a solid typical situations RB. Ward has done well carrying the load.

Each RB can play ST pretty well.

Droughns played FB this year. Jacobs and Ward each played FB for a very very small # of plays years ago with Tiki around.

Coughlin's used RBBC a few times even if just Mack as the short yardage goalline back. Jacobs and Ward have never been the main guy for a full season and have both had roles with the Giants til this year.

If this doesn't scream RBBC for at least the first 3 Qs, I don't know what does.

IMO the only way this changes is if one of these guys gets hot and then Coughlin will let that sled dog pull his team that week.

The one other thing I'll point out that maybe people haven't seen is Jacobs bashing into people and bowling them over fires up Shockey. Maybe it's because he used to take on defenders and try and do similarly. Maybe he just loves that style of RB. When Jacobs returns, watch Shockey. If he still fires Shockey up, it might be time for us to trade for him because a fired up Shockey is a great great TE. I've seen it so often that I wouldn't doubt someone could find a good Jacobs run on youtube and notice Shockey in those.

 
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:lmao: and also quite entertaining. Thanks. :yawn:
I got a little fired up last night, but I'm glad you found it entertaining.I'm not super sold on Jacobs. My position is based mostly on the fact that I believe the coaching staff wants to see what he can do as the featured back. I think he brings an unusual blend of power and speed to the position. He's a high risk/high upside type, and given that he was most likely a late 3rd to early 5th round pick (depending on league), he's the type of player who could win a few leagues. If owners drafted him, they should have been smart enough to draft an early third RB. Not for injury risk, although those who have been consistent in pointing that out so far have the edge on those who disagreed, but for sheer unproven performance.
 
The Giants believe Jacobs can dominate a 4th Q especially if he's "fresh-er" than the D. The one other thing I'll point out that maybe people haven't seen is Jacobs bashing into people and bowling them over fires up Shockey. Maybe it's because he used to take on defenders and try and do similarly. Maybe he just loves that style of RB. When Jacobs returns, watch Shockey. If he still fires Shockey up, it might be time for us to trade for him because a fired up Shockey is a great great TE. I've seen it so often that I wouldn't doubt someone could find a good Jacobs run on youtube and notice Shockey in those.
Very interesting. I suppose then that the value of Jacobs will be a lot higher if the Giants can have a winning season or at least stay near .500. If that turns out to be a true hypothesis, then I expect Jacobs will disappoint.
 
Granted, this is only off of cbs.sportsline, but it was from Coughlin's mouth...

Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Monday that because of his solid play since taking over for Brandon Jacobs, RB Derrick Ward will continue to see playing time in the Giants offense when Jacobs returns. In addition, Coughlin said that Reuben Droughns will also have a role. "I think that they all have their place," Coughlin said. "What I liked about Derrick was the fact that when you looked at him on the field he looked so much quicker. That in itself could be a dimension to take advantage of. He has done that and he had obviously proven that he can certainly perform at this level and play at this level at a high performance level if you will. The more players you can involve, the better you are."

(Updated 09/24/2007).

IMO Ward will continue to have significant value and Jacobs will likely get the goal-line carries and short yardage. I'm guessing Ward will be the guy on most 1st and 2nd downs with Jacobs spelling. If it's 3rd and long it'll be Ward, but if it's 3rd and short Jacobs. THis is Tiki/Jacobs revisited guys....

 
The rising of Ward is actually good for BJ... as a dynasty owner; I always said that I only want BJ to have 15 too 20 touchs a game.

 
Granted, this is only off of cbs.sportsline, but it was from Coughlin's mouth...Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Monday that because of his solid play since taking over for Brandon Jacobs, RB Derrick Ward will continue to see playing time in the Giants offense when Jacobs returns. In addition, Coughlin said that Reuben Droughns will also have a role. "I think that they all have their place," Coughlin said. "What I liked about Derrick was the fact that when you looked at him on the field he looked so much quicker. That in itself could be a dimension to take advantage of. He has done that and he had obviously proven that he can certainly perform at this level and play at this level at a high performance level if you will. The more players you can involve, the better you are." (Updated 09/24/2007).IMO Ward will continue to have significant value and Jacobs will likely get the goal-line carries and short yardage. I'm guessing Ward will be the guy on most 1st and 2nd downs with Jacobs spelling. If it's 3rd and long it'll be Ward, but if it's 3rd and short Jacobs. THis is Tiki/Jacobs revisited guys....
Good find on the quote, and it indicates some kind of committee forming, but at this point, it's still conjecture that this is Tiki/Jacobs revisited. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's one thing to say "The more players you can involve, the better you are" and another to say that Ward has essentially taken over the job. Ward has been solid and indeed has shown some quickness, but he's not played to Tiki's level. That's not knocking Ward. Tiki was pretty special.
 
Granted, this is only off of cbs.sportsline, but it was from Coughlin's mouth...Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Monday that because of his solid play since taking over for Brandon Jacobs, RB Derrick Ward will continue to see playing time in the Giants offense when Jacobs returns. In addition, Coughlin said that Reuben Droughns will also have a role. "I think that they all have their place," Coughlin said. "What I liked about Derrick was the fact that when you looked at him on the field he looked so much quicker. That in itself could be a dimension to take advantage of. He has done that and he had obviously proven that he can certainly perform at this level and play at this level at a high performance level if you will. The more players you can involve, the better you are." (Updated 09/24/2007).IMO Ward will continue to have significant value and Jacobs will likely get the goal-line carries and short yardage. I'm guessing Ward will be the guy on most 1st and 2nd downs with Jacobs spelling. If it's 3rd and long it'll be Ward, but if it's 3rd and short Jacobs. THis is Tiki/Jacobs revisited guys....
Good find on the quote, and it indicates some kind of committee forming, but at this point, it's still conjecture that this is Tiki/Jacobs revisited. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's one thing to say "The more players you can involve, the better you are" and another to say that Ward has essentially taken over the job. Ward has been solid and indeed has shown some quickness, but he's not played to Tiki's level. That's not knocking Ward. Tiki was pretty special.
I agree that Ward is not Tiki and was not trying to imply that. However everything, from thinking it will be a RBBC to thinking that Jacobs is going to take over the full time role when healthy is just conjecture, not just the RBBC part.
 
The one other thing I'll point out that maybe people haven't seen is Jacobs bashing into people and bowling them over fires up Shockey. Maybe it's because he used to take on defenders and try and do similarly. Maybe he just loves that style of RB. When Jacobs returns, watch Shockey. If he still fires Shockey up, it might be time for us to trade for him because a fired up Shockey is a great great TE. I've seen it so often that I wouldn't doubt someone could find a good Jacobs run on youtube and notice Shockey in those.
I agree that a fired up Shockey is usually a good thing and if Jacobs does that then great. However, a fired up Shockey also means more stupid penalties, which we have seen many times. I just wish Shockey would become more consistent and intelligent.
 
Granted, this is only off of cbs.sportsline, but it was from Coughlin's mouth...Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Monday that because of his solid play since taking over for Brandon Jacobs, RB Derrick Ward will continue to see playing time in the Giants offense when Jacobs returns. In addition, Coughlin said that Reuben Droughns will also have a role. "I think that they all have their place," Coughlin said. "What I liked about Derrick was the fact that when you looked at him on the field he looked so much quicker. That in itself could be a dimension to take advantage of. He has done that and he had obviously proven that he can certainly perform at this level and play at this level at a high performance level if you will. The more players you can involve, the better you are." (Updated 09/24/2007).IMO Ward will continue to have significant value and Jacobs will likely get the goal-line carries and short yardage. I'm guessing Ward will be the guy on most 1st and 2nd downs with Jacobs spelling. If it's 3rd and long it'll be Ward, but if it's 3rd and short Jacobs. THis is Tiki/Jacobs revisited guys....
Good find on the quote, and it indicates some kind of committee forming, but at this point, it's still conjecture that this is Tiki/Jacobs revisited. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's one thing to say "The more players you can involve, the better you are" and another to say that Ward has essentially taken over the job. Ward has been solid and indeed has shown some quickness, but he's not played to Tiki's level. That's not knocking Ward. Tiki was pretty special.
I agree that Ward is not Tiki and was not trying to imply that. However everything, from thinking it will be a RBBC to thinking that Jacobs is going to take over the full time role when healthy is just conjecture, not just the RBBC part.
I think we've found that wonderful place all too rarely visited in these forums known as middle ground. :sadbanana: Jacobs is still a strong RB2 contender in a TD heavy league, but I do believe the injury and Ward's erosion of at least some touches hurts his value in a FBG-standard scoring league and even more in PPR. As others have mentioned, over the season-long haul, it may work out best for Jacobs to be kept under 20 touches a game anyway.
 

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