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PPR DYNASTY RANKINGS.....SNEAK-PEEK AHEAD (1 Viewer)

Excellent read my brotha.

I also like the GUTSY calls.

I for one appreciate the read cause im an owner that loves FF but i play more "stock market ff" than regular ff.

Meaning im always one that wants that valuable commidity, just to maybe trade for a boatload of other potential commodities till im flooded with alot of the top high end youth and skill guys.

Love the read though, it was enjoyable and freshing.

 
DeSean is 5x the player Royal is..
Alright I was going to offer some constructive criticism on your rankings, but this gives me enough pause to spend my energy elsewhere.
But you just had to get this in before you left. When someone clearly takes a great deal of time...ya' know what. Forget it. It wouldn't change your behavior anyway. Thank you very much for your thoughts krem.
Sure, I applaud his effort. But I've never heard anyone say with a straight face that they think Jackson is 5x the player Royal is. So as I was jotting down notes, that statement completely slipped me up and I thought he should be aware that some might be tuning him out after a remark like that (which is obviously a bad thing if you want feedback). And it appears a couple of other posters have taken issue with that statement as well, but he hasn't bothered to expand on it.
Here is my take on the D-Jax v Royal debate.When I analyzed both players, from a football perspective, which is where I always start, I rate DeSean well ahead of Royal. Why?

1. Much more explosive.....14.9 ypc vs. 10.1 ypc only tells a small part of the story. Watch these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQDjc-X4MYw

2. Commands more attention from defenses......See point 1, defenders are on alert whenever D-Jax is on the field

I witnessed Royal's debut firsthand in Oakland Coliseum. Sure, it was very impressive, and I think he is a good player, but frankly, the Raiders didn't spend much time, if any, preparing for this kid and totally dismissed him going into this contest as a non-factor. A mistake and poor gameplan for sure, but now the book is open. 9 for 146 in his debut, that's a little over 16 ypc. 5 games since then, 30 for 246, that's a little over 8 ypc.....And I believe that the return of Curtis and Reggie Brown to the playing field will benefit Jackson, allowing him more space to operate since defenses have been able to focus on him more with those guys out. And that is a dangerous proposition, D-Jax with more daylight, all he needs is 6 inches (G.Sayers reference..... :whoosh: )

3. Impact Player, Game-Breaker, Difference-Maker, however you want to phrase it, "it" is what D-Jax has.......

These factors in a nutshell help explain my position as to why I'm saying DeSean is a much better football player than Royal, talking straight football. Guys like Hester, MJD, Randy Moss, and yes, DeSean, give their teams wins in tough ballgames due solely on their individual greatness. To me, that means better player. Now we can get sidetracked by the semantics/definition about the 5x or whatever, but I'm not backtracking on the stance that D-Jax is much better than Royal.

Now in terms of fantasy production at this particular juncture, sure you can state that Royal is there right with, and maybe even slightly ahead of, D-Jax. But I'm in dynasties to get the players I'm projecting to be the best (fantasy) players in the league, and I believe Jackson will be better, in fantasy, than Royal......but I'm not saying that in fantasy the difference is 5x or all that big of a difference, but I am projecting Jackson to outdo Royal in the long-term.....

Hey, but no prob my friend with the varying opinion(s), it's what makes this all so enjoyable. I don't want everyone agreeing with me, sometimes you have to place your chips on one side or the other, but in a case like this we both could actually win.....as both may end up being terrific. I don't hate Royal, he just didn't crack my Top 20 at this point......

 
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Thanks for the rankings, I liked them alot and really don't have any issues. Just curious though, was Michael Crabtree left off because you weren't thinking of rookie WRs or are you just not high on him, again to be clear I'm not bashing or criticizing, I am seriously just curious your thoughts since I did enjoy your well thought out post.
Yeah, I like Crabtree. Not quite as much as many in here, but I think he could be very good at the next level, just not ready to place him alongside Calvin or Fitz as a prospect even. But for fantasy purposes, WRs are much harder to project, for me at least, without knowing where they land and their development timeframe is normally quite longer than a RB'sSome of the previous responses here are thinking that my timeframe for competing is too far out (I'm assuming) based on some of their disagreement with these rankings. But the guys I've placed in the upper-tiers of these rankings I'm predicting top-flight production for them in '09, or at the very least their production should be within that specific tier's production level even if they don't hit their specified rank next season.....
 
I'm sorry, but these are just awful. Some just make no sense, some it seems like you're being influenced way too heavily by these first few weeks of the season, and all in all I think you're valuing way too far ahead. I agree with whoever said at the max you should just be looking two seasons ahead.O and I'm a Saints fan and Bush fan, no way in hell he should be ranked #2
Bush is currently the #1 guy in PPRHes youngHe has Brees/Colston/Shockey around him for the forseeable future.Whats not to like?
 
I appreciate the effort and it was a fun read. Rather than bash I'll simply say I think these rankings need a lot of work goiong forward.
I appreciate the constructive criticism and dialogue and no prob with the disagreements....But one thing I've learned is to trust one's gut instincts and don't be fooled by the masses. Sure, not everything in here will be 100% on the mark, but I've been crafting my analysis long enough to determine that my rankings for the most part will alter only slightly from my initial thoughts......I've studied a lot of variables and have taken quite a bit into consideration here and I'll most likely stick to my original convictions. I've been burned badly more than once by going against my initial instincts and thoughts on a player.....again, I don't try to be consensus, I strive to be better than consensus, consensus restricts the game.....I like my chances every time when I go up against consensus owners.....
When I first started betting sports, one thing I learned very quickly was that Vegas oddsmakers are smarter than me. Theres no way around it: They employee teams of people, several of whom have inside information and/or have worked in the NFL before, they spend 10x as many hours as I do researching, etc. So when you see a line that is off you need to ask yourself "Why would Vegas be offering this line that I think is off?" and if your answer is "because I know more than they do about this game" then you're 100% wrong.Same thing here. Are you a former scout or something that I don't know about? Do you have inside information? IF not, then why would you feel as if you could do a better job than FBGs. Now obviously I think FBGs is behind the Vegas linesmakers when it comes to football knowledge, but I still fail to see why you think you are better than the entire team of people working at FBGs or another big name FF site.
 
Getting some "gut" or "emotional" rankings that you can't backup with stats are refreshing.
Disagree 100%. Its selective memory: You remember the times your gut was right but conveniently leave out the times in which you were wrong. It'd be a much better idea to try to befriend a real football scout who knows what hes talking about and listen to him than to go by your gut(unless of course you have some great scouting ability yourself).
 
Was Randy Moss left off intentionally?
Yes. I don't have him in my top dynasty rankings going forward. I briefly alluded to this in the Brady commentary. I have reason to believe that Moss will not continue playing football much longer, I'm talking 1-2 more seasons after this year. I recall hearing Moss state that he does not plan to play like guys like Jerry Rice have (meaning well into their 30s).....and I have witnessed in Moss that he truly doesn't have the passion to play this game for a very long time and I can see him walking away at the top of his game ala Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Tiki, etc.......with a whole lot left in the tank. Is this speculation? Yes, to some degree. But his offseason activities (biz ventures as well as the "puff-puff") really give me pause to draft this guy next year ahead of the guys I listed. I'll let somebody else take the chance of getting just a 1-year Moss and I'll get Greg Jennings a few picks later......and GJ-85 will go toe-to-toe in production with Moss in '09 as well as have plenty of years left on the field.....plus, are you expecting Brady to simply come right in and play at the level he left off in '07? I'm not...
Unfortunately you have lost all credibility with this reasoning.This is laughable.Thanks for putting in the effort..
 
Ron_Mexico said:
kremenull said:
fruity pebbles said:
Was Randy Moss left off intentionally?
Yes. I don't have him in my top dynasty rankings going forward. I briefly alluded to this in the Brady commentary. I have reason to believe that Moss will not continue playing football much longer, I'm talking 1-2 more seasons after this year. I recall hearing Moss state that he does not plan to play like guys like Jerry Rice have (meaning well into their 30s).....and I have witnessed in Moss that he truly doesn't have the passion to play this game for a very long time and I can see him walking away at the top of his game ala Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Tiki, etc.......with a whole lot left in the tank. Is this speculation? Yes, to some degree. But his offseason activities (biz ventures as well as the "puff-puff") really give me pause to draft this guy next year ahead of the guys I listed. I'll let somebody else take the chance of getting just a 1-year Moss and I'll get Greg Jennings a few picks later......and GJ-85 will go toe-to-toe in production with Moss in '09 as well as have plenty of years left on the field.....plus, are you expecting Brady to simply come right in and play at the level he left off in '07? I'm not...
Unfortunately you have lost all credibility with this reasoning.This is laughable.Thanks for putting in the effort..
Why would you say that? Brady was cut on 3 times for his injury, and I agree that his level of play won't be the same as it was in '07. That has to affect Moss.
 
Assani Fisher said:
I appreciate the effort and it was a fun read. Rather than bash I'll simply say I think these rankings need a lot of work goiong forward.
I appreciate the constructive criticism and dialogue and no prob with the disagreements....But one thing I've learned is to trust one's gut instincts and don't be fooled by the masses. Sure, not everything in here will be 100% on the mark, but I've been crafting my analysis long enough to determine that my rankings for the most part will alter only slightly from my initial thoughts......I've studied a lot of variables and have taken quite a bit into consideration here and I'll most likely stick to my original convictions. I've been burned badly more than once by going against my initial instincts and thoughts on a player.....again, I don't try to be consensus, I strive to be better than consensus, consensus restricts the game.....I like my chances every time when I go up against consensus owners.....
When I first started betting sports, one thing I learned very quickly was that Vegas oddsmakers are smarter than me. Theres no way around it: They employee teams of people, several of whom have inside information and/or have worked in the NFL before, they spend 10x as many hours as I do researching, etc. So when you see a line that is off you need to ask yourself "Why would Vegas be offering this line that I think is off?" and if your answer is "because I know more than they do about this game" then you're 100% wrong.Same thing here. Are you a former scout or something that I don't know about? Do you have inside information? IF not, then why would you feel as if you could do a better job than FBGs. Now obviously I think FBGs is behind the Vegas linesmakers when it comes to football knowledge, but I still fail to see why you think you are better than the entire team of people working at FBGs or another big name FF site.
That's a good point, good insight to your experience. For me, all I've got is my foundation as a pretty fair athlete who competed against other very good athletes in my time, from which I got out of it an understanding of the key elements (physically and mentally) one needs to enhance their chances of success. Next is the diligence and the passion for this, I've been doing my own talent evaluations for my personal mocks and my fantasy endeavors, mocks for about 15 yrs and fantasy for about a dozen. But I'm not going to expound on this much further, as my full analysis process is something I'm not willing to share here. But what you are seeing is the results (my rankings) of which I am willing to share at this time. And I'm not trying to come off as a know-it-all or anything, I would never say that I know more than anyone else about this, but I am confident in my evaluations and I know that if/when I choose to dive into this biz on a full-time basis, I have no doubts that I'll stack up with anybody out there. That's not a slap to the face of anyone else out there, FBG or others, I respect anybody who's put in the time, effort, and diligence such as these guys (and others) and have an enterprise as well to show for it. But one thing that I want to make clear, although I am not a "numbers cruncher", to insinuate that my ranks are strictly "gut" would be false. Numbers have to play a part in fantasy, as well as NFL evaluations, however, the knowledge of what it is you're looking for, or the feeling that a player is ultimately better in the end, is where the advantages in evaluations lie. Anyone could crunch a bunch of numbers that are readily available and come up with a standard ranking based on past performance and a few trends, and I'm not saying that's what anybody here does. This isn't about what others do, I'm just putting forth my own opinions on players. In the end, you'll see me around, here and elsewhere, because I'm serious about this (fantasy) game. Once posted, these threads all have a history in here, and I'll be sure to check how others' eventual '09 rankings will stack up against mine and vice-versa, at the beginning and end of '09 and beyond. Last time I checked, this is about opinions, right. Knowledge will be revealed one way or the other, rather good or bad. And nothing here is set in stone, but I wouldn't have released these initial rankings if I didn't feel good about 'em from what I've gathered...... Good feedback my friend (the only thing McCain and I have in common is this "my friend" thing, whoooooaaaaaaa....... :thumbdown: ), but believe me when I say, it's never personal on my end......
 
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Ron_Mexico said:
kremenull said:
fruity pebbles said:
Was Randy Moss left off intentionally?
Yes. I don't have him in my top dynasty rankings going forward. I briefly alluded to this in the Brady commentary. I have reason to believe that Moss will not continue playing football much longer, I'm talking 1-2 more seasons after this year. I recall hearing Moss state that he does not plan to play like guys like Jerry Rice have (meaning well into their 30s).....and I have witnessed in Moss that he truly doesn't have the passion to play this game for a very long time and I can see him walking away at the top of his game ala Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Tiki, etc.......with a whole lot left in the tank. Is this speculation? Yes, to some degree. But his offseason activities (biz ventures as well as the "puff-puff") really give me pause to draft this guy next year ahead of the guys I listed. I'll let somebody else take the chance of getting just a 1-year Moss and I'll get Greg Jennings a few picks later......and GJ-85 will go toe-to-toe in production with Moss in '09 as well as have plenty of years left on the field.....plus, are you expecting Brady to simply come right in and play at the level he left off in '07? I'm not...
Unfortunately you have lost all credibility with this reasoning.This is laughable.Thanks for putting in the effort..
Credibility is earned by one's track record, not determined or given a stamp by anybody's response in here or elsewhere. That's my stated reason for not drafting Moss going forward, we'll see how it plays out. If you think drafting Moss is going to win you your league championship in a startup dynasty next year, then by all means go forth with that. In all honesty, I really don't want others to think as I do nor do what I do in drafts, I'm fairly unconventional....and it works for me pretty well......
 
I love the post, nice work. I started reading the thread but got sick of the senseless bashing. If you look at last years dynasty rankings, they would look 10x different than what you would project for next year. Things change quickly in the NFL and I thought the original post was pretty well thought out. For people to sit hear and bash is idiotic. There is no crystal ball.

EX. "These rankings need a lot of work." That makes me laugh...as if anyone knows what next year brings.

Anyway...fun reading.

 
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I love the post, nice work. I started reading the thread but got sick of the senseless bashing. If you look at last years dynasty rankings, they would look 10x different than what you would project for next year. Things change quickly in the NFL and I thought the original post was pretty well thought out. For people to sit hear and bash is idiotic. There is no crystal ball.EX. "These rankings need a lot of work." That makes me laugh...as if anyone knows what next year brings. Anyway...fun reading.
Thanks my man! As well to all of the others who've replied appreciative of this effort. And also to the haters as well, I appreciate them too. So anyways, I'm done with the responses for now as I'm leaving for China on biz tomorrow.......off to scout the next Yao Ming.......just kidding, but I am off to China.Peace!
 
2009 (FINAL) DYNASTY RANKINGS

These are my final ’09 rankings for dynasty formats. I’ve expanded the rankings of each offensive skill position, grouped them into still only 3 tiers (bolded, underlined) to keep it simple. The 3 tiers are RS, SS, TS and sleepers have been removed. However, there is a distinction from the top-end to the bottom-end of the largest tier (TS) in most cases. Commentary is included to not only critique the players but also to break down their current situations as I view it in a quick snapshot.

Let me stress that these rankings are based on PPR (1 pt per reception) leagues. That’s what I enjoy the most and if I have 10 leagues, at least 9 of ‘em would be PPR. These leagues, IMO, offer more versatility and bring different strategies to the table to promote much more lively leagues. My thinking is for the most part non-consensus, as I will (rarely) look at anyone else’s rankings, I primarily go by what my eyes see first and foremost, and as a supplement what I read from reports and information from scouts/personnel people. Some of your favorites may not be high on my lists, and some of mine not as high on yours, but hey, hopefully that's what this fantasy game is about, differences in approach and projections. Since I’m done with my dynasty startups for the year, I decided to update my previous posting from Oct. 2008. Interesting to note is that not a whole lot has changed from my early thoughts, but of course, some things had to be revised after further analysis. Anyways, have at it and feedback/criticism/discussion is welcomed.

THE RUNNERS.......MEAT ‘N POTATOES OF YOUR FANTASY MEAL

RS…..REIGN SUPREME

1. Adrian Peterson RB 6’1 ½ “ 220 Vikings

With a lethal combination of size, power, speed, and agility, “All-Day” stands alone at the top of the pile. No current RB can match Peterson’s overall skill set and he stands as the most legitimate yearly threat to amass 2300+ total yards with double-digit TDs. As the weapons continue to evolve around him, especially at QB, this beast will continue to dominate for the foreseeable future making him the absolute, clear-cut #1 RB in dynasty leagues.

SS…SIMPLY SUPERB aka SUPER STUDS

2. Maurice Jones-Drew RB 5’6” 210 Jaguars

“The Human Bowling Ball of Butcher Knives” is quite simply one of the best football players in the NFL, able to do all of the things necessary to assist his team to victory. However, sometimes these things (blocking, kick returns, etc.) haven’t always translated into huge fantasy success. Now, with his mentor Fred Taylor off in N.E., MJD has the spotlight all to himself in the Jags’ backfield. And we simply don’t expect him to not deliver, as he is not only a dynamic playmaker, capable of ripping off huge gainers and multiple TD efforts any given Sunday, but he has always received a lot of goal-line work and this should continue as he receives a pretty nice bump in touches. After signing a huge contract extension this offseason and with Taylor’s exit, MJD is poised for his best season yet, although I still do not believe he will amass much more than 300 total touches. And if the Jags are smart, he shouldn’t. They need him to be fresh down the stretch and in the playoffs, if they make it in.

3. Reggie Bush RB 6’0” 205 Saints

All the “RBI” haters take note…that’s Reggie Bush Incredible……I’ve listened to you yap on-and-on about he can’t do this, he can’t do that. Well, let me tell you what he can do…Win you fantasy championships! As previously stated, I’m primarily focused on PPR leagues, and for my $$$ “RBI” is as valuable as any player in the league. The ultimate dual-threat out of the backfield, he continues to pile up the points at a very high and consistent rate, as his per game avg. shows. Other than more games, what more can you ask for? I’m sure the haters will find something.

4. Matt Forte RB 6’1” 220 Bears

For all the doubters who lacked faith in Forte from the beginning and for some of those same doubters who still continue to knock the guy, let it go. Just admit you were, and still are, wrong…..It’s OK to miss on some evaluations, but to continue down the same erroneous path is just not smart at some point. Hop on board the train, it’s not too late. The reality of the situation is that Forte is a big-time producer. Blessed with great vision and elite feet, this guy has a very nice package of speed, power, instincts (especially his natural-looking cutback ability), and receiving skill to become, dare I say, great. He reminds me a lot of Marcus Allen. Don’t believe the haters, this kid is “The Postmaster”…goods and services gov’t certified, the cat is for real!

5. Jonathan Stewart RB 5’10” 235 Panthers

Being ahead of the curve is what this particular ranking is about, as I’ve seen enough of J-Stew to realize that this guy is what I’ll call…NO JOKE! He will bring defenders the business on every down, and once the full load is placed at his talented feet, which is coming soon (date of this commentary is Oct. 2, 2008), the league will witness a dominant force. I would not rule out this guy being #2 on the list in my projections for 2010. Strong as a bull, with excellent vision and burst, combined with very nice agility and the speed to take it to the house, the resulting product is Jonathan “NO JOKE!” Stewart…

6. Steven Jackson RB 6’2” 232 Rams

S-Jax, already in his prime for a RB (will be 26 yrs old in ‘09), has to hit the ground running (literally) heading into the ’09 season to maintain a hold of this lofty status. The new regime has placed most of the offensive burden on Jackson, and he is more than capable of carrying a heavy load. Although not an elite talent, IMO, S-Jax is a true workhorse who is ultra-competitive with versatility being his primary asset allowing him to put up great all-around numbers. The Rams have rebuilt their o-line by adding some topnotch talent in C Jason Brown and prized first round OT Jason Smith. With a shift to the West Coast offense, Jackson should be primed for a monster season, as long as he can hold up physically to the demanding workload.

7. Steve Slaton RB 5’10” 207 Texans

By not bringing in a high-priced F.A. or high round draftee at the RB position, I’m going to go out on a limb here and state that the Texans already have their marquee RB. Everyone knew that Slaton had the wheels to turn corners like a “Lambo”…that’s a Lamborghini for the linguistically lagging…but what I’ve been extremely impressed with is his willingness, and toughness, on inside runs. He runs with very good pad level and surprising power. Now he will never be confused with Adrian Peterson running inside, but in all honestly, I didn’t believe that he could do it even marginally at the NFL level. That said, I still look for this guy to be paired up with an inside “banger” eventually, but his overall versatility and play-making ability will still merit him the lead dog and compels me to a favorable comparison of Slaton to Westbrook, much more so than Chris Johnson being compared to Westbrook.

8. Frank Gore RB 5’9 ½” 212 49’ers

Gore has always been an extremely talented, yet under-appreciated RB (in fantasy circles). Exhibiting one of the best “body leans” in the game, this guy always seems to be on balance and churning forward, bursting through the slightest of openings while finishing runs with the best of ‘em. This guy is in phenomenal shape, so look for “The Inconvenient Truth” to be amongst the Top 4-5 in total yards from scrimmage for the foreseeable future. If he ever boosts his TD total, Watch Out!

9. Chris Johnson RB 5’11” 200 Titans

Johnson exhibits superior top-end speed, but what really separates him from the pack is his burst/acceleration, which is off the charts. Once this young man spots an opening, he’s through it faster than the speed of light. Yes, the kid is electrifying. And just maybe a little tougher than I anticipated as he also runs in between the tackles fairly well for a smallish back, ala Brian Westbrook in this regard. I don’t see a true comparison though to the overall skill set of Westbrook, unless he starts to display Westbrook’s/Bush’s supreme receiving ability. Not a knock on him, he just hasn’t yet displayed their pass-catching skill level, which could be the final piece of the puzzle to elevate him into the RS stratosphere…

10. Michael Turner RB 5’10” 238 Falcons

A literal “wrecking-ball” of a runner, Turner has immediately ingratiated himself to legions of fantasy diehards, some (like me) who were pretty skeptical of his decision to sign with ATL. This guy is a tough inside runner who is very difficult to bring down hombre-y-hombre and a threat to break off a long run at any moment. I’ll assume that the supporting cast around him on offense will continue to develop and “The Burner” will continue to develop himself into a consistent fantasy producer. If he adds a receiving dimension to his game, then he’ll be that much more valuable.

TS…..TERRESTRIAL SWAG

11. Darren McFadden RB 6’1 ½” 215 Raiders

Amidst all the dysfunction in RaiderLand, Run-DMC has at least shown what separates him from much of the RB pack…AN ELITE BURST…He is undeniably a special talent but he does need improvement in several areas, amongst them his patience and durability. With a (reported) super work ethic and high football IQ, I have little doubt that McFadden improves upon these areas, rising quickly to stardom. Even when he does (in ’09), the doubters/haters will still doubt/hate……it’s just what they do…

12. Beanie Wells RB 5’11” 235 Cardinals

Beanie has a lot to prove, but couldn’t have landed in a more ideal situation in AZ, where he should get on the field immediately as the Cards’ feature RB. Combining great size, dynamite power (excellent stiff-arm), good feet with surprising burst and speed, the only question for me is his durability. In many respects, Wells somewhat reminds me of an ’08 draftee with a similar skill-set and body-type who also had durability concerns entering the league (currently ranked #5 on this list). In the final analysis, I expect Wells to be the top back out of the ’09 RB class.

13. Felix Jones RB 5’11” 210 Cowboys

From Oct. 2008: “I believe this guy is one of the most talented pure runners in the game with top-notch instincts, vision, and explosion. It may be hard to fathom, but I would not at all be surprised to see “The Cat” being the primary ballcarrier in Big “D” before the end of 2010”…Today (June 2009), I believe there is no doubt that Jones will be a stud in the NFL, with Top 10 fantasy potential. I can see Felix simply outclassing MB3 in ’09, the kid is that talented, and Dallas will not be able to keep him off the field for long.

14. DeAngelo Williams RB 5’9 ½” 215 Panthers

“DeA” rewarded his patient owners in 2008 with a phenomenal season, but looking back on how it all transpired seems a bit too flukish in my eyes. I’ve always really liked the kid’s talent, and he could end up exceeding this ranking for many years to come, however, I’m ranking his backfield mate well ahead of him as I believe that as talented as Williams is, Stewart is even better.

15. Ronnie Brown RB 6’0” 230 Dolphins

Brown has always been one of the most talented RBs in the game, and even though he is approaching 28 yrs of age, I believe his best 2-3 years are still ahead of him. IMO, this guy was one of the 4-5 “special” RBs in the league prior to his injury, and going into 2009 Brown will be almost 2 full years removed from his ACL injury. I expect a huge breakout in ’09 and a Top 5 season is within reach.

16. Knowshon Moreno RB 5’11” 218 Broncos

Moreno is a very good all-around RB in the mold of a (pre-injury) Cadillac Williams. Not quite as physically gifted as the elite RBs in the league, Moreno is a heck of a football player with tremendous running instincts that will serve him well as he transitions to the next level. In this era of multiple option backfields (MOBs), it appears that Moreno may be a guy who can get a ton of touches with the Broncos based on their urgency to draft this kid. If that’s indeed proven to be the case, this ranking may turn out to be too low.

17. Kevin Smith RB 6’1” 215 Lions

Smith is a very smooth, effective RB with a very nice all-around skill set. Ala Moreno, he is not quite as physically gifted as the elite RBs in the league. I believe he can enjoy a nice run as a quality starter in the NFL for a few years, but he gives me the same feeling that I had about Addai all along, that he’s nothing special and a guy whom the Lions may look to upgrade sooner rather than later. Enjoy the run while you can.

18. Marshawn Lynch RB 5’11” 225 Bills

In watching the Bills play, in particular Lynch, I see so much potential here but am often left wondering, what’s the holdup? With such a skilled RB, the Bills still seem to be underutilizing this guy’s talents. I see a guy with very good power, vision, good speed and nice lateral agility, who should be getting 1300+ yds and 50+ catches in his sleep. Expected to be used much more in the passing game this year, Lynch is a tough guy to project at this time and with his off-the-field issues continuing, I have to move him down in my rankings for ’09. I’m unsure if the Bills will even want to extend Lynch once his rookie deal expires.

19. Clinton Portis RB 5’11” 222 Redskins

I suspect many of you are thinking that he should be ranked significantly higher. Well, I see a few too many red flags concerning “Dr. Doo-wich Big” going forward to justify a higher ranking. Portis has logged a lot of carries (projected to be over 2,000 heading into the ’09 season) and incurred significant wear and tear along the way (various degrees in severity of knee, shoulder, hip, and ankle injuries). Sure, he has looked superb the past couple of seasons, but for me, just a bit too much mileage on the tires. Portis just may enjoy another stellar season in ’09. But beyond that, the wheels may go flat on this Mercedes-Benz very quickly……

20. Rashard Mendenhall RB 5’10” 225 Steelers

I still don’t understand why Tampa Bay passed on this guy for Talib. That being the case, the jury is certainly still out on Mendenhall. However, the kid showed some power in the limited times he was on display. Hopefully, the injury thing is not something that Mendenhall will be dealing with on a regular basis as I have a feeling that the Steelers will soon part ways with Parker for such a reason (unable to stay healthy). Thus, Mendenhall will have ample opportunity to showcase his much ballyhooed skill-set.

21. Brandon Jacobs RB 6’4” 260 Giants

This guy sure does play for the right team, as he is literally a Giant……”The Incredi-Bulk” is not much of a presence in the passing game, but with a whopping 5+ ypc and a destructive “shoulder-plow” once he sniffs the goal-line, Jacobs is such a serious force in the running game and a (potential) high-volume TD-threat that he still merits Top 20 consideration in spite of his lackluster receiving totals.

22. Pierre Thomas RB 5’10” 223 Saints

Thomas has earned the right to be the guy in the Saints backfield. He has worked hard to improve (added 10+ lbs of muscle this offseason) and has produced at a high level when given the opportunity. With the Saints not addressing their RB situation in the draft nor in free agency, and with Bush as his running-mate, Thomas could find himself getting even more opportunities if Bush suffers another injury.

23. Marion Barber III RB 5’10” 225 Cowboys

“The Barberian” is one of the best closers among NFL RBs. When the 4th quarter arrives, this guy keeps going like the Energizer Bunny, delivering wallops left and right to any defender in his path. At some point, this will take a toll on Barber, but for the immediate future (next 3-4 years), he should be able to continue in this role and produce at a pretty high level in fantasy. But the anticipated emergence of Felix Jones pushes “The Barberian” down several notches in my eyes.

24. Donald Brown RB 5’10” 210 Colts

The Colts apparently landed their guy in the draft, tabbing Brown in the 1st Rd when there were also plenty other pressing needs on their team. Obviously, this doesn’t bode well for Addai long-term and Brown should be able to work his way into a pretty even timeshare at some point during the ’09 season. I like Brown’s skill set, but am not overly excited about him. Given that he landed on such a fantasy-friendly team, his prospects become that much more appealing when, and if, he gets the full-time gig. Brown is certainly a “buy” where he is currently being drafted in dynasty startups.

25. Laurence Maroney RB 5’11” 220 Patriots

I’m not ready to give up on this guy as quickly as many have already. Only 24 years old, and with aging RBs all around him, I look for Maroney to bounce back in a big way relatively soon (’09 or ’10), whether it be in a Patriot uniform or not. He will probably never be a threat to catch 50 passes, but once he re-gains the trust of his coaching staff, he simply is the most talented RB on the roster and a guy who could produce Portis-like numbers, as we’ve seen from him over short stretches.

26. LeSean McCoy RB 5’10” 205 Eagles

“Shady” has landed in the ideal spot for his skill set. And with an aging, injury-riddled star RB still around, McCoy would be wise to learn all he can from watching Westbrook go about his business as he could do quite well by trying to emulate Westbrook since their styles (and statures) are similar. The additions up front along the o-line enhance this kid’s future potential. I wouldn’t bet the farm that McCoy ends up being as good as Westbrook, but even if he gets reasonably close that would still be darn good.

27. LaDanian Tomlinson RB 5’9 ½ ” 218 Chargers

Who said that “Age Ain’t Nothin’ But a Number!”? Well, with regards to RBs, age is almost everything. LT2 will certainly go down as one of the greatest RBs ever, but all things must come to a close at some point. In dynasty drafts, I’d rather miss out on a guy’s last significant year or two than to watch helplessly as the once proud, premier players run right off a cliff (potentially) and into oblivion shortly after you drafted them. The total carries/touches have mounted to a very high level for Tomlinson, and the signs of wear and tear are right there in front of us, I refuse to be in denial. Great, HOF career for my man, but I’ll steer clear for the last stand unless I get the biggest steal since what AIG got from the gov’t .

28. Joseph Addai RB 5’10” 215 Colts

I’ll be the first to state that I’ve never been a huge fan of this guy as far as pure RB talent. Given his fortune to be in such a high-octane offense that virtually guarantees a RB will produce good numbers, Addai may soon be faced with the real possibility of moving on to another team.

29. Michael Bush RB 6’1” 240 Raiders

Another in my line of future studs that I foresee blossoming sooner rather than later. In this era of the RBBC, guys who have the potential to score a significant number of TDs as well as rack up a nice line of total yards (receiving + rushing) will become valuable commodities. Bush is one of these guys. With excellent size, feet, and terrific hands to boot, the combo of D-Mac and Bush will stamp themselves as one of the top duos in the league in ’09 and beyond.

30. Jamaal Charles RB 5’11” 205 Chiefs

Charles will be the starter in K.C. by 2010 at the latest. Very talented ballcarrier with the explosiveness teams covet as well as soft hands to be able to stay on the field on 3rd down. There are some holes in his game that need to be addressed, such as needed bulk and pass protection, but I am banking that Charles “gets it” and works hard enough to maximize his enormous talents. At this point of the rankings, I stress upside more than a “safe” guy like Ryan Grant, for example, as those safer guys, IMO, are replaceable components on their respective NFL teams.

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1. Larry Fitzgerald WR 6’3” 215 Cardinals

With renewed enthusiasm, increased focus, and an attention to detail and improvement, an already fabulous WR got even better in ’08. Fitzgerald capped off a sensational season with the best-ever playoff performance by a WR. Moving forward, Fitzgerald certainly appears to have the drive and desire to be the best at his position, maybe of all-time. He is at the top of his game right now and has separated himself from the field to claim the undisputed #1 WR spot….Enough said

2. Calvin Johnson WR 6’5” 237 Lions

Maybe bigger!....Calvin not only has unparalleled size and strength for the position, but he also has enough competitiveness and swagger to dominate opposing CBs. The sky is the limit for the wunderkind, and going forward Johnson is the one guy who just may eventually vault past Fitzgerald and the rest of the WR pack. If Stafford turns out to be at least a competent QB, then Johnson may put up some Randy Moss like seasons. Yes, “Megatron” is that talented.

3. Andre Johnson WR 6’3” 230 Texans

One of the premier athletes in all of the NFL at any position, Johnson is also entering into his prime as a player and a primary focus of the Texans offense. “AJ-1500” is ultra-explosive and as physical a wideout as there is in the league. After putting together an elite season in ’08, I have no more doubts about him and I look for him to deliver big-time in ’09 and beyond.

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4. Reggie Wayne WR 6’1” 190 Colts

With Marvin Harrison out of the picture, Wayne is the clear top-option in the passing game for the Colts. He moves to the flanker position and should continue to pile up the numbers for the next few seasons until someone else emerges on the other side to potentially cut into his production. On the downside, things aren’t the same as they’ve been for this well-oiled Colts offensive machine, which brings about just a bit of uncertainty going forward, as it relates to the offense as a whole. Best believe that #18 and #87 will be just fine though.

5. Roddy White WR 6’2” 215 Falcons

White has emerged as a legit stud, not only in the fantasy realm but also in the NFL. White exudes plenty of confidence and has the swagger of a guy who knows he can dominate opposing defensive backs every Sunday. Armed with elite speed and a nice, long, sturdy frame, White and his young QB Ryan have developed quite a rapport in a short time. Going forward there appears to be no stopping this flashy bird…Roddy aka “GE”, as in General Electric, should continue to light it up for years to come.

6. Greg Jennings WR 5’11” 200 Packers

I believe the question of whether or not Rodgers can “deliver the rock” has been answered. And we’ve also found out who his favorite target is…”Ochinto-Cinco”, the Real 85. Jennings has emerged as one of the best, young WRs in the league and looks like he’ll only get better. With a great combination of athleticism, speed, body control, and focus, Jennings makes not only the difficult catches but is consistent with his hands that he can be relied upon to deliver strong numbers on a weekly basis.

7. Dwayne Bowe WR 6’2 ½” 220 Chiefs

D-Bowe, aka “The Show”, has all the tools to become a dominant WR. Displaying very good strength and speed to generate YAC (yards after catch), “The Show” is very competitive on the gridiron and seems to have the will and desire to succeed, although questions have emerged regarding his work ethic and conditioning. Nothing a little motivation can’t solve. With such a young guy, a soon-to-be expiring contract might have to be just such a wake up call. No longer having to share targets with a (future) HOF pass-catcher in Tony Gonzalez, the Todd Haley led Chiefs offense have little choice but to heavily integrate Bowe into the weekly gameplan.

8. Steve Smith WR 5’9 ½” 193 Panthers

The man with the average name is no typical player. Smith is a game-breaking WR for whom defenses must game-plan for each Sunday. Even with the added attention from defensive coordinators, Smith is plenty talented as well as experienced enough to get open and make plays. Playing with an ultra-high level of intensity and competitive spirit, even in practice, Smith will continue to produce as the Panthers offense is on the upswing with a devastating running game to keep the safeties close to the line of scrimmage.

9. Braylon Edwards WR 6’3” 215 Browns

The primary thing keeping B.E. out of the upper-realm of the SS tier is his tendency to experience extended periods of the “dropsies”. Lapses in concentration bring inconsistency, and with Edwards’ ’07 numbers raising expectations, he has to eliminate such concentration lapses. If there is a QB switch to Quinn, I would not expect much of a dropoff in B.E.’s value, similar to the transitions of Brees to Rivers and Favre to Rodgers. B.E.’s fate is in his own (buttered-biscuit) hands…

10. Anquan Boldin WR 6’1” 228 Cardinals

If you’re searching for a hard-nosed, no-nonsense, get-the-job-done playmaker, Boldin is your guy. One of the toughest guys to bring down in the secondary, as long as Boldin is healthy he’ll bring the goods each week. I’m not quite sure where or from whom he will be catching passes in the near future, but in any circumstance this guy has the ability and demeanor to demand targets.

11. Marques Colston WR 6’4” 225 Saints

Mr. Consistency, or just call him “Constant”, is one of those players you just don’t worry about. Being the #1 WR target in the most pass-happy offense in the NFL is a really nice gig. Colston is not amongst the most (physically) talented WRs in the game, but he knows what he’s doing and is a tough matchup for any CB due to his size, smarts, and precise route-running. Add the fact that he has a pair of large, sure hands and there you have it, “Constant” production. However, the news of his January microfracture surgery does give me some concern moving forward.

12. Brandon Marshall WR 6’4 ½” 230 Broncos

There is no doubt in my mind that Marshall has what it takes on the field to be considered for a Top 5 fantasy WR ranking. However, it’s his off-the-field antics that concern me enough so that I simply can’t fully trust him enough to place him in the Top 5. And with Cutler already out of Denver and now Marshall possibly on the verge of exiting, there is just a bit too much uncertainty in my mind to even warrant a Top 10 ranking. Marshall is as scintillating a play-maker in all of the NFL and when he is on his game we are witnessing a young T.O. with better hands. But it just keeps coming back to the potential for this kid to throw it all away that simply boggles my mind. That stated, the young man referred to by some as “Godzilla” still can produce big-time and is the quintessential high-risk/high reward pick.

13. Randy Moss WR 6’4” 205 Patriots

Arguably, Moss is the most dynamic receiver ever to play in the NFL. Any WR who can ring up 23 TDs in a single season at the NFL (highest) level sure is special. With Brady returning to lead the Pats’ aerial assault, many fantasy owners will be selecting Moss well above this ranking. Randy would certainly be listed much higher if I didn’t have a very strong concern over his desire to continue playing more than 1-2 more years. I believe he’s a candidate to walk away from the game after either the 2009 or 2010 season, especially if the Pats win a championship in either of these years.

14. Chad Johnson WR 6’1” 190 Bengals

Chad Johnson has given us many great performances on the field over his career, but “OchoCinco” has given us way too many sideshows over the years as well, taking a lot of focus away from the player with regards to his primary responsibilities on his team. Still a very prolific and technically sound player, Johnson must get back to playing the game for the right reasons and if he does, the time is now to go get him as his value, and ADP, has been well below what my expectations would merit for his upcoming performance (on the field).

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15. DeSean Jackson WR 5’10” 172 Eagles

Initially, I wasn’t quite sure where to rank this high-flying Eagle, but after some internal debate I decided that the kid is simply too good of a football player and one of the best playmakers in the game. And don’t sleep on his WR skills, as they are extremely good. A very good route-runner, “Fraction Jackson”, per Jamie Dukes of NFLN, is explosive in and out of his cuts and sets up defenders very well with subtle feints and his smooth change of direction. One thing that he must do is get much stronger as once DBs get their hands on him, they can re-route him rather easily. But as a wise man once said, that’s easier said than done…with regards to getting “hands” or a jam on him at the line of scrimmage. He’s easily the best WR on the pass-happy Eagles and will continue to get better in that attractive system.

16. Percy Harvin WR 5’11” 190 Vikings

Talk about dynamite in a bottle, meet Percy Harvin. My expectations for this kid are extremely high and I will be the first to admit if I am not on the mark with this one. But I’ve rarely felt this good about a player and his situation. I have no doubts that Harvin will electrify and will receive enough touches to be a difference-maker for his NFL team as well as make a huge imprint in fantasy. Don’t be at all surprised to see a Top 20 season from Harvin in ’09.

17. Roy Williams WR 6’3” 215 Cowboys

How ‘bout ‘dem Cowboys! Plucking Roy ‘W’ off the Motor City scrapheap was a nice pickup for Dallas in its attempt to maintain their high-octane offensive production. With “T.O.” jettisoned this past offseason, Roy Dubb has to step up and become a bonifide stud WR. If Williams is ready to awake from his slumber of the past couple of seasons, as he has looked rather disinterested and unmotivated in Detroit and last season in Big “D”, Williams is talented enough to make some noise and possibly claim a spot in the Top 10-12.

18. Santonio Holmes WR 5’11 ½” 195 Steelers

Hines Ward has to slow down at some point, ya think? Although Holmes is a big-play WR, I didn’t believe that he would truly break out in ’08 due to several factors: 1) the presence of the aforementioned Ward, 2) the Steelers still do not throw a whole lot, and 3) the “spread the wealth” system that the Steelers employ in their passing game. The future looks bright for “Nine10” and I expect the targets and production to increase moving forward …translation, Nine is NFL nomenclature for the “Go Route” and 10 is Holmes’ jersey number.

19. Wes Welker WR 5’9” 185 Patriots

One of the few true “PPR Machines” in the NFL, “W-2” is a threat to catch 100 balls every year as long as he is in N.E. with Belichick. If the guy had higher TD totals he would be Top 5 material, but as-is he still can play for me any day. The lack of TDs and low ypc limit his upside somewhat and thus I have several other guys rated higher than him based on potential rather than production. But if you require a true safety net selection, then “W-2” is a wise choice.

20. Michael Crabtree WR 6’2” 215 49’ers

Something really worries me about this kid, and I just can’t seem to warm up to him. I’m going against my instincts here and ‘giving’ him this ranking, based on what? I dunno, as I’m just not sold that he will be a force in the NFL. I do like his competitiveness in going after the ball, but I still see a “system” player. If the guy takes advantage of a potential resource (Jerry Rice) and gets to working overtime on his route-running, then maybe I will warm up to him some more, but at this point I just don’t see him being able to separate consistently from the better corners in the league, who will undoubtedly be eager to test the kid on a regular basis due to all the hype surrounding him entering the league. .

21. Eddie Royal WR 5’9 ½” 185 Broncos

Royal put up a fantastic rookie year, and expectations appear to be very high for him going forward. But frankly, he’s another guy who I believe is way overvalued. I believe that Cutler had a whole lot to do with much of his success. If the Broncos force-feed him the ball ala the Pats do with Welker, then great, he should put up high PPR numbers with low ypr. And it will also prove my point that he is just another “system” player.

22. Anthony Gonzalez WR 6’0” 195 Colts

The question of whether Gonzalez is truly a standout WR, and not just a bit-player, will be answered soon. The kid is a very smart player and disciplined in his craft and with attention to detail, but also appears to be a system player. Being on the Colts is ideal for him, and if he was in a different situation, his value, IMO, would not be all that high. But with #18 at the helm of a pass-oriented offense, the starting WRs are almost certain to succeed in their system. A fine route-runner with nice speed and decent agility, Gonzalez, or “Hyper-G”……he reportedly sleeps in a hyperbaric (oxygen) chamber…could follow a similar career path as his running mate R.Wayne – a late 1st Rd pick who plays 2nd fiddle to a superstar for awhile before eventually developing into one himself as the incumbent star begins to fade.

23. Lee Evans WR 5’10 ½” 188 Bills

“LeeEvs”…pronounced “leaves” as in Evans leaves DBs behind him…is not a popular pick amongst most owners. However, you can’t deny his big-play ability which can’t be dismissed as a fluke. The growth of both QB T.Edwards and the proposed increase usage of the “no-huddle” offense should benefit Evans tremendously going forward. I believe he will become a much more all-around WR as his supporting cast comes up closer to his level of play. T.O. is just a 1-yr rental and Evans will benefit greatly from his presence as much of the attention will be taken off of him which in turn could allow Evans to perform with less pressure, adding up to a boost in confidence if he enjoys success once out from under the spotlight. Sort of sounds complex, but psychology often plays a part in player performance. Adding Owens may be just what the doctor ordered to get Evans on the fast track back to relevance. If he can boost his number of receptions by about 15%-20%, which is not unrealistic, he just may be one of the steals of the draft in ’09 and a keeper.

24. Vincent Jackson WR 6’5” 235 Chargers

V-Jax is a premier big-play WR in the mold of a Plaxico Burress. Along with the big plays, however, I’d also expect there to be stretches of inconsistency which is one of the reasons that I cannot rank him any higher. It may not be reasonable to expect 18 ypr on a consistent basis, and I don’t believe that the Chargers will target Jackson enough for him to become a PPR demon. I’d anticipate solid, yet unspectacular numbers for the next few seasons from V-Jax…..if he can stay off the booze when he’s away from the gridiron.

25. Donnie Avery WR 5’10” 185 Rams

“The D.A.” is a possible breakout candidate this year, in only his 2nd season. If he quickly picks up the nuances of the WCO that is being installed in St. Louis this season, expect a nice leap in numbers for Avery as there is very little else alongside of him in the passing game. I believe that Avery is probably best suited for a WR2 type of role on an NFL team, which may begin as early as next season. With the #6 pick in the 2010 NFL draft, Please Welcome, Arrelious Benn to the Rams!.....Even as a #2, Avery could still put up nice numbers along the lines of a Lee Evans-, Santana Moss-type. But another question is, Who will be throwing these guys the ball next year, and beyond?

26. Santana Moss WR 5’9 ½” 183 Redskins

Moss lacks ideal size, but makes up for it with tremendous heart and blazing quicks off the snap of the ball. Although getting a bit up there in age, Moss sparks some déjà vu of Joey Galloway in my mind. He appears to be a guy who, as he gets older, doesn’t really lose much speed, if any, and appears to keep himself in great shape. With Plaxico exiting the division, Moss is the new “Boss of the NFC East” as he has made a seamless transition into the West Coast offense of Jim Zorn. The one thing that “Santa Boss” has lacked in the past is consistency, but it seems as though he may have rectified that issue for the most part and even this ranking may be somewhat undervaluing him.

27. T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR 6’1 ½” 205 Seahawks

Houshmandzadeh has left a pretty good situation in Cincy, but landed in a good spot as well in Seattle. Throughout his career, Housh has exhibited sure hands and displayed the kind of toughness that a great possession WR must have in order to keep pace with some of the better WRs in the game. Not overly fast or physical, T.J. is a self-made player for whom the “Average Joe” can really appreciate and root for. For a guy who doesn’t really need another nickname, here is one anyway……”Housh Tha Hustler”

28. Jeremy Maclin WR 6’0” 197 Eagles

The arrival of another playmaker in Philly is telling in that the Eagles have never placed much of a premium on drafting WRs in the early rounds, aside from the kid from U.C.L.A…..yeah, Freddie Mitchell, and we know how that turned out. Maclin is in the mold of a DeSean Jackson in that he is a dynamic playmaker when he touches the ball. It may take well over a year, at least, to get him going in the offense but if/when he catches on, he and DeSean could very well form the new Ike Bruce/Torry Holt type of duo….guys who aren’t overly big, but are students of the game who also have great talent and know how to get open and make plays. Lots of upside here, it just may require some patience.

29. Antonio Bryant WR 6’0” 200 Bucs

Bryant was one of the “feel-good” stories of 2008. Here is a guy who has always had very good WR tools: good size and strength, excellent hands, nice speed, and a high level of competitiveness. The knock was always that he lacked discipline and wasn’t very serious about his craft. Well, it appears as if Bryant has turned the corner on these issues and should be a very solid option at his current value. With the transition at QB, the additional weapons already on board and some that will probably be coming soon, I just don’t know if he ever comes close to matching his excellent ’08 campaign.

30. Devin Thomas WR 6’2” 205 Redskins

Thomas came in last season with a bit of an attitude, one that could be construed as “cocky”, and didn’t appear to take things serious enough with regards to his work ethic and studying (playbook, film, etc.). Now this is coming from an outsider’s viewpoint of what I’ve read and observed in him, so take it with a grain of salt. However, I still believe the kid has very good natural ability and is an upper-echelon athlete, so if the light comes on soon, this is a kid who could explode onto the scene and make an impact within the next 2 years. With this ranking, I’m betting that it happens.

31. Devin Hester WR 5’10” 195 Bears

There are varying opinions as to whether Hester will truly develop into a top-flight WR. For a player who has just recently switched to WR, I believe he is well ahead of the (learning) curve. How far he progresses is up to him, as guys with his type of playmaking ability are rare. I would not be surprised if he enjoys a Santana Moss type of career, some very good seasons and some not so good ones sprinkled in there as well. But with Jay Cutler on board, this type of ability (and stability) at the QB situation may be just what Hester needs to take that next step up the ladder to stardom.

Best Case: Steve Smith, Jr.

Worst Case: Devery Henderson

(My) Consensus: Santana Moss

32. Hakeem Nicks WR 6’1” 210 Giants

At UNC, Nicks gained a “leg up” on most young WRs by playing in a pro-style offense as opposed to these spread offenses that permeate all throughout college football. His hands are not only huge, but supple enough to haul in balls like a baseball mitt. The opportunity is there for him to seize and become a force for the G-Men, as Plaxico has left a void for a big-time WR. If Nicks can step up and be “The Man”, then he could (best case) become a player in the mold of a Colston, although Colston is bigger than him, Nicks plays big. He physically reminds me of Antonio Bryant, but the hope is that he doesn’t take as long for the light to really come on as Bryant did.

33. Darius Heyward-Bey WR 6’2” 205 Raiders

DHB has loads of natural ability as a vertical playmaker, but he certainly will have to learn the subtleties of the WR position in order to take his game to a higher level and not simply be a vertical guy (ala Alvin Harper, Devery Henderson, etc.). One thing we know is that he will get the opportunity after being selected as the 7th overall pick in the draft. The upside is well worth the risk, IMO, because if he does “get it” relatively soon, he could be something very special given his elite athleticism.

34. Jerricho Cotchery WR 5’11” 190 Jets

As the last man standing at the WR position for the Jets, Cotchery makes this list by default. I’ve never been a huge fan of Cotchery, he’s decent and all, but nothing special in my book, always been a bit overvalued to me. I would not be the least bit surprised to see the Jets make a move to acquire a top WR soon, maybe even before the ’09 season gets underway…..Hello B-Marshall, Braylon, or Plax? With a new, young QB to break in, look for Cotchery to take a step back this season and if indeed the Jets bring in a legit #1 WR, then Cotchery’s ranking takes a significant hit, IMO.

35 Mike Walker WR 6’1” 200 Jaguars

The Jaguars may be cursed when it comes to the WR position. In their infancy, this franchise was blessed with a very strong duo (Smith/McCardell), but have been trying to find someone to step into the limelight ever since. With Walker, they have been patiently developing him, and now may be rewarded for their efforts. He speaks, and often practices, a good game, but now is the time for Walker to seize the moment. I do believe that Walker is a guy who is still young enough to markedly improve, and a potential for a breakout for him in ‘09 is almost even money (50/50). I’m certainly not a believer that Holt has much of anything left in the tank. Last year, I saw a WR (Holt) who simply wasn’t getting separation anymore……the knees have gone bad in a hurry.

36. Plaxico Burress WR 6’5” 225 FA

The enigma that is “Plax” continues to perplex. Still in and out of the courthouse, is an NFL suspension on the horizon? A rangy, physical WR who is a top-flight playmaker would usually be ranked higher than this. But I’m pretty convinced that we’ve seen the best of this guy, and I really don’t see much, if any, upside going forward at his advancing age (turns 32 before the ’09 season). That said, Plax should at least be a solid #2 fantasy WR for at least two more seasons, or 1 ½ if a suspension is coming.

37. Jordy Nelson WR 6’2” 215 Packers

Nelson is under the radar right now, and it is going to take a “leap of faith” to grab him at this ranking in most dynasty drafts. However, I believe he has at least a few things working for him. 1) Driver isn’t getting any younger. Sure the ageless one still looks good right now and keeps himself in fabulous shape, but the Pack have quite a stable of young talent at the WR position that they conceivably could cut bait on Driver after this season. 2) He appears to have nice rapport with Rodgers on the field. From the few times I saw them play last season, looks like these two have good timing. 3) Solid fundamentals – Nelson exhibits good hand-eye coordination, uses his strength/body well in traffic, and runs good routes. I believe this guy is a better Kevin Walter, for reference. Just might become the next PPR dynamo, ala Wes Welker.

38. Sidney Rice WR 6’4” 205 Vikings

The Vikes WR core is tough to project for many different reasons, including the unpredictable QB play (even if No. 4 comes on board), their emphasis on the running game, and last, but not least, the actual role of Percy Harvin. Rice is a talented young WR who is a viable threat to make plays, especially in the crucial red-zone. He has the skill to be a big-time TD maker and if/when the QB situation is resolved, Rice is in line to benefit as much as anyone on their roster, health permitting.

39. Robert Meachem WR 6’2” 215 Saints

I am a strong believer in marquee talent, and even though Meachem has gotten off to a very slow start in his career, I’ve remained a loyal believer. Meachem is simply the most talented WR on the Saints, without question. Combining very good speed, size, and excellent agility will allow him to be a beast after the catch, once he is afforded a real opportunity to play. Given his limited reps last year, I may actually be in the minority but I came away believing that he did pretty well, and is deserving of much more PT. The Saints WR situation is in a vulnerable state right now, and the scene is ripe for a former 1st rounder to emerge and show his stuff. Don’t say I didn’t warn you……

40. Brian Robiskie WR 6’1” 190 Browns

Robiskie enters the NFL as a “ready-made” player. Extremely well-schooled and polished as a route-runner and technician (what would you expect when his father is a former NFL player and WR coach), Robiskie may have the easiest path to a significant role in his first year as there is very little behind Braylon Edwards at the WR position in Cleveland. Given that, I anticipate a very solid to possibly strong career for Robiskie. If he achieves to the level of a T.J. Housh-type of career, I would not be the least bit surprised.

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1. Drew Brees QB 6’0” 208 Saints

I really could care less if this guy is considered a “system QB”. When the system consists of a bright offensive mind (HC Payton), an abundance of pass attempts, a dynamic all-purpose threat (Bush), and the deepest core of talented receiving options in the game, I’d buy into this type of system every time. No other QB has as much going for him right now as Brees in terms of fantasy situation moving forward. The key aspect for me is that none of his cast is aging, and several have yet to hit their (potentially very high) peak…Brees is the quintessential worry-free QB, just call him “Auto-Pilot”

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2. Aaron Rodgers QB 6’4” 225 Packers

I’m proud to say that I was absolutely on the early bandwagon of this guy heading into ’08 shortly after Brett Favre announced his “retirement”, and actually, even well before (years). And yes, he has exceeded (only slightly) my expectations to-date. The real excitement comes in seeing how bright the immediate (and long-term) future looks in G.B. for “A-Rodge”. With a plethora of young, talented weapons at his disposal, the very athletic Rodgers is headed for superstardom. Following right on the heels of a living legend QB in a town that still reveres him (Favre), I give Rodgers a ton of credit in having stepped up and delivered the goods so far.

3. Tom Brady QB 6’5” 225 Patriots

Yes, you are not misreading things, Brady’s not in my top tier. Coming off a very serious knee injury (multiple torn ligaments), I still have some reservations as to whether Brady will be in top form for the entire ’09 season, if for even half of it. In dynasty leagues, that is not a big problem. The other not so small concern that I have is with regards to the circumstances around Brady moving forward: 1) Will Moss be interested in playing beyond ’09?, 2) Will other receiving option(s) emerge aside from Welker and Moss?, and 3) Will “The Hoodie” rely more on the running game to protect his franchise QB who’s coming off major knee reconstruction? All these factors are enough for me to drop Brady down just a notch, but in essence, it’s not much of a drop.

4. Peyton Manning QB 6’5” 230 Colts

Manning has been one of the most consistent fantasy options it seems like forever. Given his command of the offense and the continuity of his support cast, he has enjoyed one thing that can’t be overlooked……comfort……However, there are some concerns in that his supporting cast is in flux (Harrison is gone), his once ultra-stable coaching staff has been modified, and the o-line may need an overhaul as they seem to be getting manhandled of late. It must have been great to be Peyton Manning for the past decade……but let’s see how he handles just a little bit of change here. I have confidence that the Colts’ brass will figure it out and continue to put the right pieces in place for him to prosper going forward.

5. Philip Rivers QB 6’4” 230 Chargers

It is evident that LT has lost some of his wonderful skill, something that inevitably will happen to all of us in a given situation or place in time, and the Chargers have quickly morphed into Rivers’ team. Rivers is a guy who makes all the throws and has a very good group of pass-catchers, sprinkled with veterans in their prime (Gates, Chambers, V-Jax) as well as young, talented, homegrown prospects (Davis, Naanee, Sproles).

TS…..TERRESTRIAL SWAG

6. Jay Cutler QB 6’4” 232 Bears

One of the most physically gifted QBs in the NFL, Cutler has found himself transitioning to a new team and new system. It is yet to be determined if Cutler’s new team will allow him to be a gunslinger as he was in Denver. I’d think not. However, the kid is still very young with room to grow as a QB and if he is to truly elevate his game, he must become a bit more secure with the ball and use better judgment in the passing game in order to reduce his turnovers and boost his efficiency.

7. Carson Palmer QB 6’5 ½” 230 Bengals

With much to prove due to the uncertainty of how well his injured elbow will hold up after eschewing Tommy John surgery, Palmer is widely considered a risk going forward. Blessed with all the tools to be a great NFL (and fantasy) QB, CP is way undervalued based on his skill/talent level. ’09 will be a critical year that could determine not only the fate of the players who’ve been around these past few years, but also of Marvin Lewis and his coaching staff. With several new (Coles) and/or unproven targets (Simpson, Coffman, and Caldwell) to go along with holdovers Chris Henry and Chad, if CP makes a full recovery I still believe that he can enjoy not only a monster year in ’09, but he easily could be a stud long-term.

8. Matt Ryan QB 6’4 ½” 225 Falcons

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t truly believe in this guy when the Falcons selected him #3 overall ahead of other notable prospects (like G.Dorsey). But I’ll give the kid credit as he has stepped right in and performed extremely well for a rookie at the most demanding position. Not blessed with the strongest arm, but it is plenty strong enough for him to make all the throws and the power running game has given the play-action element a lot of bite. Add in the top-notch intangibles that “Matty Ice” possesses along with a star WR in Roddy White, and Ryan is a guy who I would not hesitate to select as my dynasty franchise QB. TE Tony Gonzalez provides an added ultra-weapon for Ryan as he enters his 2nd year, and Gonzo’s addition just may be the right tonic for Ryan in avoiding the dreaded Sophomore Slump. But one thing that I’m convinced of is……this kid “gets it”

9. Donovan McNabb QB 6’3” 240 Eagles

D-Mac Sr. has always been a productive passer when he’s on the field and not on the injury list. He has developed into a pocket passer and can still make huge plays outside of the pocket, mostly with his arm nowadays as he almost disdains running the ball. With the emergence of DeSean Jackson and the addition of McCoy and Maclin, McNabb has more than enough firepower around him to continue to thrive in Andy Reid’s QB-friendly offense. Given his recent contract extension, McNabb will enjoy several more very good seasons as a starting QB in the NFL, whether in Philly or other locale.

10. Tony Romo QB 6’2 ½” 225 Cowboys

Romo aka “Hollywood” has been living a dream (late round draft pick becomes starting QB for “America’s Team” behind a top-notch o-line, great running game, several stud targets to throw to, and a sex-symbol GF to soothe your aches and pains after the game. But maybe it was a bit too much too fast for the guy to handle, as he hasn’t progressed much since he took over the starting job a few years ago. If Romo can kick his work ethic up a notch or two, then maybe he’ll start living up to the hype that he has been living off of for the past couple of seasons.

11. Matt Schaub QB 6’3 ½” 220 Texans

Schaub hasn’t quite met the expectations of the Texans brass as well as fantasy owners since signing with the Texans before the ’07 season. He has to find a way to stay on the field consistently. He is in a great situation to succeed. The key factors going forward center around the improvement and upgrade of the o-line, the emergence of another receiving target, as well as the continued success of Slaton and the running game. If progress is made on these fronts in ’09, Schaub could make a nice move up the ranks, but not quite up to the SS level.

12. Trent Edwards QB 6’3” 220 Bills

I see many signs that Edwards is on the verge of taking the next step in his development towards being a top-notch signal-caller. He has his most talented supporting cast that he has ever had, and I remember him playing on some very pedestrian Stanford teams, and a supposed commitment to more “no-huddle”, spread-formation sets. One thing of slight concern to me is the possible downgrade of the o-line with a couple of key losses this past offseason. Hopefully, Edwards will not be running for his life on most pass plays, but with such nice weapons at his disposal I believe he will be able to get the ball out on time.

13. Ben Roethlisberger QB 6’5” 245 Steelers

Roethlisberger is the prime example of an excellent NFL QB who doesn’t rank quite as high in the fantasy world, although he is still a very good option. You’d be hard-pressed to find 6 other NFL QBs better than Big Ben due to his clutch play, but this is probably a very fair fantasy ranking. I do believe there is room for growth in the Steelers offense in the passing game, but I just don’t believe they will ever be a juggernaut.

14. Joe Flacco QB 6’6” 235 Ravens

The Ravens are an interesting situation, especially with regards to their young QB. I fully expect the Ravens to start to build around their franchise signal-caller as the defense is rapidly aging and they need someone to fill a true #1 WR spot, as no player currently on the roster fits the bill. But Flacco has top-flight skills to be a very good fantasy producer if the Ravens start to rely on his arm more. He can make all the throws and has poise under pressure that belies his experience. I believe the Ravens will continue to look to run with regularity, but if/when they bring in a quality WR or two, then I’d expect much more balance and productivity out of Flacco. Certainly a situation to watch closely.

15. Mark Sanchez QB 6’2 1/2” 225 Jets

Sanchez will be scrutinized heavily from Day 1. Not only is he playing in the mega-media capital that is New York City, but the Jets gave up quite a bit to move up in the draft to acquire him. He immediately has become the toast of the town and the anticipation of seeing him perform on the field is intensifying. I expect him to handle it all in stride, and of course there will be some bumps and growing pains along the way. But the kid is blessed with great talent, is mechanically sound, and appears to have a strong work ethic and mental makeup for the position. He is not going to “wow” you with his arm, but that is not a prerequisite for succeeding in the NFL (see P.Manning, D.Brees, and M.Ryan). Mark “Da Master” will do quite fine, and even better.

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RS…..REIGN SUPREME

1. Jason Witten TE 6’5 ½” 260 Cowboys

The connection that he has with Romo is almost Siamese, as these two are only (sometimes) separated by Ms. Simpson. “J-Wit” is clearly the go-to-guy in the passing game for the Cowboys and I don’t see things changing anytime soon as T.O. has left the building and Roy Dubb isn’t yet in sync with Romo. There’s a few too many chinks in the armor of the rest of TEs so Witten stands head-and-shoulders above the rest and with him it is almost a virtual lock to get supreme production from this position on a weekly basis.

SS…SIMPLY SUPERB aka SUPER STUDS

2. Antonio Gates TE 6’4” 253 Chargers

In spite of the toe injury, which has severely limited his maximum effectiveness, Gates pushed through it last year to put up very respectable numbers, which just about any other TE would only hope to produce. Given the shift towards more passing in the Chargers plans moving forward, I’d expect “Microsoft”……not only Mr. Gates reference but also describes this Gates’ velvety-smooth hands…to be a huge part of the movement. Hopefully, he fully recovers from this toe (and ankle) injury and can regain his strong foundation and explosiveness

3. Greg Olsen TE 6’5” 255 Bears

G.O. is one of the premier talents at the position and last year the Bears finally began utilizing him more in the passing game. Olsen is able to stretch the field and hit the deep seams in the (middle) secondary and exhibits sure hands. Now with Cutler pulling the trigger for the Bears, Olsen’s talents become more valued as Cutler is able to deliver the ball to any spot on the field, and the deep seams of the defense can be exploited with Olsen the beneficiary. Olsen is primed for a big breakout in ’09 and has a very high ceiling, thus he gets the nod over the rest of the field as I don’t see quite that much upside (aside from Keller) from them overall.

4. Tony Gonzalez TE 6’5” 255 Falcons

“Gonzo” is still going strong at 33 yrs of age, albeit in a new address for ’09 and beyond. After setting the league on fire last season, it will be unrealistic to expect Gonzalez to approach that type of production with his new team. The expectation from here is for Gonzo to get less receptions and yards, but maybe a few more TDs. The presence of Tony G in the ATL will certainly help take this offense to a new level of productivity, that can’t be questioned.

TS…..TERRESTRIAL SWAG

5. Chris Cooley TE 6’3” 250 Redskins

“Captain Chaos” is a steady, albeit unspectacular, football player. He is a guy that simply goes out and gets the job done. Given his consistency and the fact that he straps it up every week (i.e., rarely misses a game) should provide owners with a comfort level in knowing they have a reliable option to go to battle with. I’m a tad bit concerned about how the young players will be integrated into the offense going forward which could (possibly) reduce Cooley’s targets sooner rather than later.

6. Dustin Keller TE 6’2 ½” 250 Jets

Since Keller stepped onto the scene for the Jets, IMO, he immediately became their best receiving option (yes, I believed this last year). Keller presents matchup problems to the defense and the Jets must get a bit more creative in using him in order to maximize his vast talents as a pass-catcher. Not an accomplished blocker, Keller may need to improve upon this aspect of his game in order to fully maximize his time on the field for a coach like Rex Ryan. But in the end, blocking will not be the reason that the Jets, or any other team, employ Keller.

7. Dallas Clark TE 6’3 ½” 247 Colts

Clark’s role is more clearly defined now since Harrison’s (expected) decline and is primed for success going forward as he is an integral part of the Colts’ offense in attacking the deep seams in the secondary. There are only a handful of TEs with Clark’s downfield speed and he is now one of the prototypes for what teams are looking for in the position.

8. Kellen Winslow TE 6’4” 245 Bucs

Not only have the injuries begun to take its toll on “The Soldja”, but I also believe that Winslow has been distracted the past few seasons by his contract situation and it has affected his concentration/focus on the field. With still much left in the tank (physically and emotionally), maybe this change of scenery will reinvigorate Winslow going forward. But now another question begs as to who will be under center this season for the Bucs……another ? mark, if not resolved in a productive manner, which could essentially waste Winslow’s last few good years before the chronic knee problems really slow him down.

9. Zach Miller TE 6’4 ½ ” 255 Raiders

One of the few reliable options for the Raiders last year, Miller has established himself as one of the top TEs in the game and definitely a favorite target of his young QB J.Russell. With the lack of an established WR beside him, Miller looks like a safe bet to be heavily targeted and haul in quite a few passes over the next several seasons.

10. Owen Daniels TE 6’3” 245 Texans

This guy keeps improving every year and could be in line for a very big season in ’09. With youthful exuberance and (underrated) athleticism on his side, “O.D.” (Ol’ Dirty) is looking for a new contract. It may bode well for him, and fantasy owners, if he doesn’t sign before the season which may provide a little extra motivation for him to succeed this year. One other thing to note is that the Texans drafted a player, James Casey, who is a very intriguing prospect…..I’ll be keeping an eye on this situation going forward.

11. Jeremy Shockey TE 6’5” 250 Saints

Yeah, he’s yet to develop a true role in the Saints offense, but just the thought of the possibilities generate quite the buzz for his immediate prospects in offensive-minded HC Sean Payton’s offense. When healthy, “Shock-Je” is still one of the most talented players at his position who also augments his talent with great intensity and work ethic. By the time the ’09 season rolls around, I expect Shockey to be fully integrated into the offense and well on his way back to fantasy relevance, and he could rise back up the TE ranks.

 
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Bush at #3 vs DeAngleo at #14? :X :loco: :crazy:
I would be appreciate it if you used a bit more of the American vocabulary to expand on your reasoning.......It's alright to have a differing opinion, and if you really want to know what's behind my ranking of these two, then let me keep it S-I-M-P-L-E for Y-O-UBush over 17ppg throughout his career.....DeA 1 'lucky' season.....Advantage: R.Bush
 
You have two Viking receivers ranked in your top 40 and neither of them is named Bernard Berrian.

He put up very respectable numbers last season but still gets no respect from this board.

 
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You have two Viking receivers ranked in your top 40 and neither of them is named Bernard Berrian. He put up very respectable numbers last season but still gets no respect from this board.
Yep. Not a believer in his overall ability. With Percy it's not even a question if he's better than Berrian, as Berrian will become pretty irrelevant in comparison to him, IMO. He will still be valuable to Minny as a deep threat, but I like Rice in the red-zone much more than BB, and I like Rice's overall skill set much better than Berrian's. The kid simply hasn't been healthy until now.Rice has 46 career receptions, and has put 8 in the end zone.......Sure, the ratio of catches/TDs will go down as he gets more catches, but this is an indicator to me that he could very well be a big-time playmaker
 
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You have two Viking receivers ranked in your top 40 and neither of them is named Bernard Berrian. He put up very respectable numbers last season but still gets no respect from this board.
Yep. Not a believer in his overall ability. With Percy it's not even a question if he's better than Berrian, as Berrian will become pretty irrelevant in comparison to him, IMO. He will still be valuable to Minny as a deep threat, but I like Rice in the red-zone much more than BB, and I like Rice's overall skill set much better than Berrian's. The kid simply hasn't been healthy until now.Rice has 46 career receptions, and has put 8 in the end zone.......Sure, the ratio of catches/TDs will go down as he gets more catches, but this is an indicator to me that he could very well be a big-time playmaker
He was #18 WR last year that puts in my top 40. (My ranking will be different of course because I don't play in PPR leagues)
 
kremenull said:
Ripleys said:
Bush at #3 vs DeAngleo at #14? :X :lmao: :lol:
I would be appreciate it if you used a bit more of the American vocabulary to expand on your reasoning.......It's alright to have a differing opinion, and if you really want to know what's behind my ranking of these two, then let me keep it S-I-M-P-L-E for Y-O-UBush over 17ppg throughout his career.....DeA 1 'lucky' season.....Advantage: R.Bush
I'm make it S I M P L E for you. Reggie Bush career rushing average: 3.7DeAngelo Williams career rushing average: 5.1Reggie Bush has averaged playing in 12 games a year in his 3 years in the league.DeAngelo Williams has averaged 15 games a year in his 3 years in the league. DeAngleo Williams scored 20 TDs last year.Bush scored 8 TDS last year.DeAngelo Williams is the #1 starting RB on his team.Bush isn't. :mellow:
 
You have two Viking receivers ranked in your top 40 and neither of them is named Bernard Berrian. He put up very respectable numbers last season but still gets no respect from this board.
Yep. Not a believer in his overall ability. With Percy it's not even a question if he's better than Berrian, as Berrian will become pretty irrelevant in comparison to him, IMO. He will still be valuable to Minny as a deep threat, but I like Rice in the red-zone much more than BB, and I like Rice's overall skill set much better than Berrian's. The kid simply hasn't been healthy until now.Rice has 46 career receptions, and has put 8 in the end zone.......Sure, the ratio of catches/TDs will go down as he gets more catches, but this is an indicator to me that he could very well be a big-time playmaker
Percy Harvin will play, most of the time, in the slot and out of the backfield. He will be talking the ball away from Bobby Wade, Chester Taylor and maybe Rice. I don't think his effect on Berrian will be all that great.
 
kremenull said:
Ripleys said:
Bush at #3 vs DeAngleo at #14? :X :lmao: :lmao:
I would be appreciate it if you used a bit more of the American vocabulary to expand on your reasoning.......It's alright to have a differing opinion, and if you really want to know what's behind my ranking of these two, then let me keep it S-I-M-P-L-E for Y-O-UBush over 17ppg throughout his career.....DeA 1 'lucky' season.....Advantage: R.Bush
I'm make it S I M P L E for you. Reggie Bush career rushing average: 3.7DeAngelo Williams career rushing average: 5.1Reggie Bush has averaged playing in 12 games a year in his 3 years in the league.DeAngelo Williams has averaged 15 games a year in his 3 years in the league. DeAngleo Williams scored 20 TDs last year.Bush scored 8 TDS last year.DeAngelo Williams is the #1 starting RB on his team.Bush isn't. :)
Yep, you sure nailed it. DeA is sure to score more points than Bush this year....and for the next 3-4 as well...... :lol:Reggie Bush is the best player on his team, DeA isn't the best RB on his......I'll end this for us right here...You draft DeA at #8-11 overall and I'll draft Bush between #19-26.....You'll be happy, and I'll be happier..... :D
 
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kremenull said:
Ripleys said:
Bush at #3 vs DeAngleo at #14? :D :lmao: :lmao:
I would be appreciate it if you used a bit more of the American vocabulary to expand on your reasoning.......It's alright to have a differing opinion, and if you really want to know what's behind my ranking of these two, then let me keep it S-I-M-P-L-E for Y-O-UBush over 17ppg throughout his career.....DeA 1 'lucky' season.....Advantage: R.Bush
I'm make it S I M P L E for you. Reggie Bush career rushing average: 3.7DeAngelo Williams career rushing average: 5.1Reggie Bush has averaged playing in 12 games a year in his 3 years in the league.DeAngelo Williams has averaged 15 games a year in his 3 years in the league. DeAngleo Williams scored 20 TDs last year.Bush scored 8 TDS last year.DeAngelo Williams is the #1 starting RB on his team.Bush isn't. :)
:lol: One more to add....Bush had microfracture surgery this offseason.DWill did not have microfracture surgery this offseason.
 
kremenull said:
Ripleys said:
Bush at #3 vs DeAngleo at #14? :X :bag: :crazy:
I would be appreciate it if you used a bit more of the American vocabulary to expand on your reasoning.......It's alright to have a differing opinion, and if you really want to know what's behind my ranking of these two, then let me keep it S-I-M-P-L-E for Y-O-UBush over 17ppg throughout his career.....DeA 1 'lucky' season.....Advantage: R.Bush
I'm make it S I M P L E for you. Reggie Bush career rushing average: 3.7DeAngelo Williams career rushing average: 5.1Reggie Bush has averaged playing in 12 games a year in his 3 years in the league.DeAngelo Williams has averaged 15 games a year in his 3 years in the league. DeAngleo Williams scored 20 TDs last year.Bush scored 8 TDS last year.DeAngelo Williams is the #1 starting RB on his team.Bush isn't. :lol:
:thumbup: One more to add....Bush had microfracture surgery this offseason.DWill did not have microfracture surgery this offseason.
It's great to see all the DeA owners coming out proud and loud.....I like DeA a lot as well. I just like Bush better. Anyway, there's more to these rankings than Bush v DeA, 'cause really the decision will not be resolved here but on the field from Sept. - Dec., year after year....Good Luck DeA owners! I sold high myself...... :shark:
 
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Krem,

Nice effort and nice writeup. Somebody had to say it, I enjoy the analysis, it's too bad good intended threads turn into mush. Keep up the good analysis.

 
Great write up. People will piss & moan if you have rankings any different than what the players statistically finished last year. Although I don't agree on a lot of the rankings, I really enjoyed the read.

 
Great write up. People will piss & moan if you have rankings any different than what the players statistically finished last year. Although I don't agree on a lot of the rankings, I really enjoyed the read.
Thanks KOJ and Multiple! I never expect every one of my rankings to coincide with others at every turn, but my efforts are simply intended to provide a different, and often non-consensus, type of ranking. I appreciate the debate though from the critics as well, it's never a problem as I like to hear their counterpoints, which often are valid considerations.
 
I like DeA a lot as well. I just like Bush better.
And it would be great if you could give any reasoning behind this other than 'nanananana-na'. The last 2 years he's been injured and he's coming off microfracture surgery. The problem with your ranking isn't so much the RB man-love, it's that your just giving an opinion without any cold, hard facts backing you. Ripleys and Ron Mexico both point out legitimate counter-points and your response is 'well that's your opinion!'.How very helpful. :(
 
I like DeA a lot as well. I just like Bush better.
And it would be great if you could give any reasoning behind this other than 'nanananana-na'. The last 2 years he's been injured and he's coming off microfracture surgery. The problem with your ranking isn't so much the RB man-love, it's that your just giving an opinion without any cold, hard facts backing you. Ripleys and Ron Mexico both point out legitimate counter-points and your response is 'well that's your opinion!'.How very helpful. :shrug:
I may be mistaken, but prior to his injury wasn't Bush averaging more PPG than DeAngelo averaged last year? I know at the time he was far and away the #1 player in PPR leagues prior to his injury.Combine that with the pretty widely agreed on notion that DeAngelo will come back down to Earth some this year, and I think the justification for why someone could have Bush higher than DeAngelo is pretty easy to spot. Personally, I've got DeAngelo way ahead of Bush because I don't believe in Bush's ability to stay healthy and don't like his consistency, but to be this befuddled by someone ranking a guy who was dominating PPR leagues prior to getting hurt is pretty odd.Bush this year is similar to Andre Johnson post-2007. Everything finally clicked for AJ in 2007 and he was a monster prior to getting hurt. The unsavvy were stuck endlessly repeating that the guy had never had a top 10 season while that savvy could spot a guy who had turned the corner and had it hidden with an injury, and were able to get a 110 reception, 1600 yard WR at a bargain price. Andre Johnson's "breakout" 2008 season wasn't actually any better than his 2007 season on a per game basis, he just played more games in 2008.Last season prior to his injury, Bush was on pace to finish with:1600 total yards109 receptions21 touchdownsThat's about 100 more fantasy points than DeAngelo Williams in a PPR league, and rivals the all-time great fantasy seasons. Now, it's EXTREMELY unlikely he'd put up those type of stats over an entire season, but people are vastly underestimating how well Bush was doing last year before he got hurt.Another thing to consider is that Bush projects out to catch about 60 more passes than DeAngelo. In PPR leagues, that's like him starting with a 10 touchdown headstart.
 
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I own Bush in a few dynasty leagues, I like him. But the facts aren't looking good for him. The Saints didn't draft a RB because they are that high on P.Thomas (as they should be). Brees came out and said Thomas is the #1 RB. Bush will always make those occasional and amazing highlight plays, but its clear he isn't built to be a full time back. His YPC are low for a reason, and even worse when he tries to run up the middle. He'll always give ya nice points in the passing game in PPR leagues, but that's about it. D-Will on the other hand has proven he can do it every way possible. He's great catching the ball, he can run up the gut, reverses, break tackles, you name it, he did it. Bush is coming off a SERIOUS injury, D-Will isn't. I was SHOCKED when i was able to trade Bush for D-Will in 2 dynasty leagues. Believe me, I tried that same trade in all my leagues where I owned Bush. Putting Bush THAT high, in front of so many full time, healthy, starting RBs just doesn't make any sense to me. But hey, if we all had the EXACT same rankings, drafts wouldn't be much fun.

 
The Saints didn't draft a RB because they are that high on P.Thomas (as they should be).
I think these are better reasons they didn't draft a RB - 1. Knowshon Moreno was off the board2. The Saint Defense stinks and needs help3. The Saints had no 2nd round pick4. The Saints had no 3rd round pick5. The next RB went at 29, not great value at 14.I really don't think it had anything to do with loving Thomas.
 
I like DeA a lot as well. I just like Bush better.
And it would be great if you could give any reasoning behind this other than 'nanananana-na'. The last 2 years he's been injured and he's coming off microfracture surgery. The problem with your ranking isn't so much the RB man-love, it's that your just giving an opinion without any cold, hard facts backing you. Ripleys and Ron Mexico both point out legitimate counter-points and your response is 'well that's your opinion!'.How very helpful. :popcorn:
Well, in case you didn't get a chance to read the statements in the rankings for each player, and maybe you even missed this response, where I said, "Bush over 17ppg throughout his career.....DeA 1 'lucky' season.....Advantage: R.Bush"I'll take the high PPG and place my bet that Bush will make it through some seasons healthy for a change. When/if it does happen, then you have 300pts potential in ppr leagues. People can bemoan the fact of his low ypc and Pierre is the #1 RB, or whatever. Bottom line is the #1 fantasy producer on the Saints, outside of Brees, on a ppg basis is whom?....tick-tock.....tick.......tick.....tick-tock.....tick.....tock..........ti....iiiiick-tooooooo.....ooooooock.....Reggie Bush!......Because he is the "featured player"......doesn't matter if he's given the title of #1 RB or not......Deuce McAlister was also the #1 RB during Bush's rookie season.
 
thanks for sharing and updating.

I think VJax is way low - esp. considering Rivers is top 5ish. And you are going to wish you had J Carlson - TE SEA in the list after Hass finds him all year long.

Agree on the man love for Felix - sooner than later.

 
As a Jonathan Stewart dynasty owner I'm obviously pleased with your assessment, but the 1-2 punch with Williams has been working so well, I'm concerned that Stewart doesn't get the job outright even next year. How long is DeAngelo signed for?
Until 2010. And based on the way he has played, how young he will still be in 2010 and the kind of team player he has been I don't see why the Panthers won't sign him to an extension.Then where is Stewart?

Michael Turner is a great RB too but didn't get a chance to do diddly for 4-5 years behind LT. Maybe Stewart is as good as Turner but it still won't help him. Because yes Williams is that good.

 
I like DeA a lot as well. I just like Bush better.
And it would be great if you could give any reasoning behind this other than 'nanananana-na'. The last 2 years he's been injured and he's coming off microfracture surgery. The problem with your ranking isn't so much the RB man-love, it's that your just giving an opinion without any cold, hard facts backing you. Ripleys and Ron Mexico both point out legitimate counter-points and your response is 'well that's your opinion!'.How very helpful. :rolleyes:
I may be mistaken, but prior to his injury wasn't Bush averaging more PPG than DeAngelo averaged last year? I know at the time he was far and away the #1 player in PPR leagues prior to his injury.Combine that with the pretty widely agreed on notion that DeAngelo will come back down to Earth some this year, and I think the justification for why someone could have Bush higher than DeAngelo is pretty easy to spot. Personally, I've got DeAngelo way ahead of Bush because I don't believe in Bush's ability to stay healthy and don't like his consistency, but to be this befuddled by someone ranking a guy who was dominating PPR leagues prior to getting hurt is pretty odd.Bush this year is similar to Andre Johnson post-2007. Everything finally clicked for AJ in 2007 and he was a monster prior to getting hurt. The unsavvy were stuck endlessly repeating that the guy had never had a top 10 season while that savvy could spot a guy who had turned the corner and had it hidden with an injury, and were able to get a 110 reception, 1600 yard WR at a bargain price. Andre Johnson's "breakout" 2008 season wasn't actually any better than his 2007 season on a per game basis, he just played more games in 2008.Last season prior to his injury, Bush was on pace to finish with:1600 total yards109 receptions21 touchdownsThat's about 100 more fantasy points than DeAngelo Williams in a PPR league, and rivals the all-time great fantasy seasons. Now, it's EXTREMELY unlikely he'd put up those type of stats over an entire season, but people are vastly underestimating how well Bush was doing last year before he got hurt.Another thing to consider is that Bush projects out to catch about 60 more passes than DeAngelo. In PPR leagues, that's like him starting with a 10 touchdown headstart.
:thumbup: :thumbup: Make that an excellent posting!
 
thanks for sharing and updating.I think VJax is way low - esp. considering Rivers is top 5ish. And you are going to wish you had J Carlson - TE SEA in the list after Hass finds him all year long.Agree on the man love for Felix - sooner than later.
V-Jax is a late-blooming, potential NFL star, but IMO, a guy who may not be worth the current price in fantasy circles. This guy only caught 59 balls last year, but at a very high clip of 18.6 ypr. At home, he was ridiculous as he caught 25 balls at an outrageous 23.6 ypr (as opposed to 34 for 14.9 on the road). Outside of Randy Moss, do you believe any current WR could pull this off more than once or twice in their career, let alone in back-to-back seasons? I find it hard to imagine V-Jax ripping off such large gainers on a consistent basis again this year to match or exceed last year's production.With Carlson, I'm having difficulty determining if his production last year was primarily the product of all the Seahawks' injuries (they lost a ton of WRs last year) and he was a constant (in the lineup, that is) option, or not. Once these guys (Burleson, Branch, and several young WRs) along with Housh are available, does Carlson still produce really good numbers? Possibly. I'm just not sold that he does. Good feedback though, and you may be right as I do like both of these guys, just maybe at a slightly lower price for each.
 
Who in their right mind would trade LT for Ray Rice, or draft Kevin Smith over Brian Westbrook?
Exactly, thanks for proving my point.
To be honest, in a dynasty startup league, I probably WOULD draft Rice and Kevin Smith over LT and possibly even over Westbrook.Well, actually, a better way to put it is that I would rather have them on my team... the fact is, both LT and Westbrook are going to have higher ADP than Rice and Smith right now (though Smith may be close). I would rather grab a top-flight QB or WR early (especially in a PPR) and grab Smith as my RB1 later than take LT in the 1st and be stuck holding the bag when he falls off a cliff - which I think very well could happen this year. With Westy and LT, they worry me not just in the sense that they are aging and don't have many years left - my concern is whether they even have 1 elite year left. I'd rather take my chances on Rice and Smith's upside in the future, because I think they will probably have at least as good years this year.
 
The Saints didn't draft a RB because they are that high on P.Thomas (as they should be).
I think these are better reasons they didn't draft a RB - 1. Knowshon Moreno was off the board

2. The Saint Defense stinks and needs help

3. The Saints had no 2nd round pick

4. The Saints had no 3rd round pick

5. The next RB went at 29, not great value at 14.

I really don't think it had anything to do with loving Thomas.
It's pretty clear that they see it the same way:Round 1, Pick 14 (14) Malcolm Jenkins CB 6'0" 204 Ohio State

Round 4, Pick 16 (116) Chip Vaughn S 6'1" 221 Wake Forest

Round 4, Pick 18 (118) (From Jets) Stanley Arnoux ILB 6'0" 232 Wake Forest

Round 5, Pick 28 (164) (From Giants through Eagles) Thomas Morstead P 6'4" 225 Southern Methodist

Frankly, their offense didn't need help. Whether that's because they love Pierre or just will throw 650 times remains to be seen.

 
Who in their right mind would trade LT for Ray Rice, or draft Kevin Smith over Brian Westbrook?
Exactly, thanks for proving my point.
To be honest, in a dynasty startup league, I probably WOULD draft Rice and Kevin Smith over LT and possibly even over Westbrook.Well, actually, a better way to put it is that I would rather have them on my team... the fact is, both LT and Westbrook are going to have higher ADP than Rice and Smith right now (though Smith may be close). I would rather grab a top-flight QB or WR early (especially in a PPR) and grab Smith as my RB1 later than take LT in the 1st and be stuck holding the bag when he falls off a cliff - which I think very well could happen this year. With Westy and LT, they worry me not just in the sense that they are aging and don't have many years left - my concern is whether they even have 1 elite year left. I'd rather take my chances on Rice and Smith's upside in the future, because I think they will probably have at least as good years this year.
a lot of people feel the same way which is why it's so difficult to trade either LT or Westbrook. at this point, you may be better accepting the fact that they'll retire on your team. FWIW, in my ongoing draft, LT was pick #27, BW #47 behind Addai, Grant, and K.Smith.
 
Who in their right mind would trade LT for Ray Rice, or draft Kevin Smith over Brian Westbrook?
Exactly, thanks for proving my point.
To be honest, in a dynasty startup league, I probably WOULD draft Rice and Kevin Smith over LT and possibly even over Westbrook.Well, actually, a better way to put it is that I would rather have them on my team... the fact is, both LT and Westbrook are going to have higher ADP than Rice and Smith right now (though Smith may be close). I would rather grab a top-flight QB or WR early (especially in a PPR) and grab Smith as my RB1 later than take LT in the 1st and be stuck holding the bag when he falls off a cliff - which I think very well could happen this year. With Westy and LT, they worry me not just in the sense that they are aging and don't have many years left - my concern is whether they even have 1 elite year left. I'd rather take my chances on Rice and Smith's upside in the future, because I think they will probably have at least as good years this year.
I actualy agree with this.It really depends on your strategy for a start up draft in dynasty however.When I am just getting started...Everyone is equal before the draft.How to I plan to use the draft in order to gain an advantage?I am going to focus more on long term value in players and players with trade value. Because my goal in to build depth on my team. And I am going to focus more on potential to further the value of my later picks.However ranking for a initial draft is different than ranking for how much the players are actualy worth. If your baking that into your rankings that doesen't mean you would trade based off of those same rankings.A ranking for a draft is different than a ranking for the time frame your working in. At least imo for dynasty.
 
kremenull

Thanks for taking the time to write these out. I am not trying to diss you but I don't like the writing style at all. I have never been fond of words like STUD and so on that you use for your descriptions.

That you have Reggie Bush ranked 2nd. We are coming from totaly different ends of the spectrum here. Your focused on PPR I am not. Bush is nearly worthless as a RB to me. Much less even sniffing top 12 status. But again.. different scoring systems, different style, different goals ect.

I hope having these out here helps you get some good feedback. I couldn't finish reading your rankings mainly because of my distaste for the writing style rather than the rankings.

 
I like DeA a lot as well. I just like Bush better.
And it would be great if you could give any reasoning behind this other than 'nanananana-na'. The last 2 years he's been injured and he's coming off microfracture surgery. The problem with your ranking isn't so much the RB man-love, it's that your just giving an opinion without any cold, hard facts backing you. Ripleys and Ron Mexico both point out legitimate counter-points and your response is 'well that's your opinion!'.How very helpful. :mellow:
I may be mistaken, but prior to his injury wasn't Bush averaging more PPG than DeAngelo averaged last year? I know at the time he was far and away the #1 player in PPR leagues prior to his injury.Combine that with the pretty widely agreed on notion that DeAngelo will come back down to Earth some this year, and I think the justification for why someone could have Bush higher than DeAngelo is pretty easy to spot. Personally, I've got DeAngelo way ahead of Bush because I don't believe in Bush's ability to stay healthy and don't like his consistency, but to be this befuddled by someone ranking a guy who was dominating PPR leagues prior to getting hurt is pretty odd.Bush this year is similar to Andre Johnson post-2007. Everything finally clicked for AJ in 2007 and he was a monster prior to getting hurt. The unsavvy were stuck endlessly repeating that the guy had never had a top 10 season while that savvy could spot a guy who had turned the corner and had it hidden with an injury, and were able to get a 110 reception, 1600 yard WR at a bargain price. Andre Johnson's "breakout" 2008 season wasn't actually any better than his 2007 season on a per game basis, he just played more games in 2008.Last season prior to his injury, Bush was on pace to finish with:1600 total yards109 receptions21 touchdownsThat's about 100 more fantasy points than DeAngelo Williams in a PPR league, and rivals the all-time great fantasy seasons. Now, it's EXTREMELY unlikely he'd put up those type of stats over an entire season, but people are vastly underestimating how well Bush was doing last year before he got hurt.Another thing to consider is that Bush projects out to catch about 60 more passes than DeAngelo. In PPR leagues, that's like him starting with a 10 touchdown headstart.
Good post. I own Bush and he was waaaay ahead of the 2nd highest scorer in my PPR league prior to the injury (we also count return TDs, so I guess results will vary). It's hard to get past his low YPC, but he did look like an improved player last year and has shown no signs of his receptions dropping. I know Pierre Thomas looked good at times too, but anyone who follows the Saints knows Payton will give Bush first crack at RB1 duties. We'll see how he reacts to the knee surgery... could possibly be a sell-high immediately if he puts up numbers but looks to have lost a step.
 
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Who in their right mind would trade LT for Ray Rice, or draft Kevin Smith over Brian Westbrook?
Exactly, thanks for proving my point.
To be honest, in a dynasty startup league, I probably WOULD draft Rice and Kevin Smith over LT and possibly even over Westbrook.Well, actually, a better way to put it is that I would rather have them on my team... the fact is, both LT and Westbrook are going to have higher ADP than Rice and Smith right now (though Smith may be close). I would rather grab a top-flight QB or WR early (especially in a PPR) and grab Smith as my RB1 later than take LT in the 1st and be stuck holding the bag when he falls off a cliff - which I think very well could happen this year. With Westy and LT, they worry me not just in the sense that they are aging and don't have many years left - my concern is whether they even have 1 elite year left. I'd rather take my chances on Rice and Smith's upside in the future, because I think they will probably have at least as good years this year.
a lot of people feel the same way which is why it's so difficult to trade either LT or Westbrook. at this point, you may be better accepting the fact that they'll retire on your team. FWIW, in my ongoing draft, LT was pick #27, BW #47 behind Addai, Grant, and K.Smith.
Exactly - if you still have LT/Westy, you're not going to get what they're worth to you on your team. So, in an initial draft, why would I invest in that?(Or at the very least, trade for them when you can probably get them cheaper than their 1-2 yr value if you're still a believer... I've seen LT go for late 2nd round or even 3rd round rookie picks lately... and even lower in one contract league where his salary is very high).
 
Krem,Nice effort and nice writeup. Somebody had to say it, I enjoy the analysis, it's too bad good intended threads turn into mush. Keep up the good analysis.
I don't agree with a lot of the rankings(Aaron Rodgers at #2 for instance) but like that you put effort into this.
 
What is up with Matt Waldman's Dyansty ranking that he posted on 6/20? Damn! Leaving Jason Witten off what is up with that? Look at some of the highlighted players he left off his list.

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1 RB Adrian Peterson, MIN 1 1 1 1 1 1.0 1.0 1.0

2 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 3 2 3 2 3 2.5 2.5 2.5

3 RB Matt Forte, CHI 6 5 4 6 5 5.0 5.0 5.0

3 RB Steven Jackson, STL 7 9 6 3 2 5.0 4.5 4.5

5 RB Michael Turner, ATL 2 11 2 7 4 6.0 5.5 5.5

6 RB Frank Gore, SF 12 4 8 4 11 6.8 6.0 6.0

6 RB DeAngelo Williams, CAR 14 3 5 12 7 6.8 6.0 6.0

8 RB Chris Johnson, TEN 5 12 7 5 6 7.5 6.5 6.5

9 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 4 6 9 8 8 7.8 8.0 8.0

10 WR Calvin Johnson, DET 9 7 13 9 9 9.5 9.0 9.0

11 WR Andre Johnson, HOU 16 19 10 15 10 13.5 12.5 12.5

12 RB Knowshon Moreno, DEN 27 10 12 14 19 13.8 13.0 13.0

13 WR Randy Moss, NE 17 18 11 26 12 16.8 15.0 15.0

14 RB Marion Barber, DAL 11 29 19 11 13 18.0 16.0 16.0

15 QB Drew Brees, NO 15 13 16 16 28 18.3 16.0 16.0

16 WR Reggie Wayne, IND 8 24 15 13 22 18.5 18.5 18.5

17 QB Tom Brady, NE 33 16 17 19 29 20.3 18.0 18.0

18 RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG 19 34 14 20 15 20.8 17.5 17.5

19 RB Reggie Bush, NO 21 22 31 21 14 22.0 21.5 21.5

19 WR Steve Smith, CAR 10 26 21 24 17 22.0 22.5 22.5

21 WR Anquan Boldin, ARI 22 25 26 18 25 23.5 25.0 25.0

22 RB Ronnie Brown, MIA 32 8 30 27 32 24.3 28.5 28.5

23 WR Greg Jennings, GB 24 23 23 25 27 24.5 24.0 24.0

24 RB Clinton Portis, WAS 20 15 27 23 34 24.8 25.0 25.0

25 RB Steve Slaton, HOU 30 35 18 32 16 25.3 25.0 25.0

26 RB Marshawn Lynch, BUF 28 27 33 22 21 25.8 24.5 24.5

27 QB Peyton Manning, IND 29 17 24 29 35 26.3 26.5 26.5

28 RB Brian Westbrook, PHI 18 21 28 38 24 27.8 26.0 26.0

29 WR Brandon Marshall, DEN 23 32 20 35 26 28.3 29.0 29.0

30 WR Roddy White, ATL 38 30 22 45 18 28.8 26.0 26.0

31 RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR 41 38 48 10 20 29.0 29.0 29.0

32 RB LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 13 14 29 44 33 30.0 31.0 31.0

33 WR Dwayne Bowe, KC 25 33 25 46 23 31.8 29.0 29.0

34 QB Aaron Rodgers, GB 68 20 32 39 37 32.0 34.5 34.5

35 RB Kevin Smith, DET 42 36 45 17 49 36.8 40.5 40.5

36 WR Marques Colston, NO 34 55 38 28 30 37.8 34.0 34.0

37 RB Chris Wells, ARI 71 49 46 33 40 42.0 43.0 43.0

38 RB Ryan Grant, GB 55 28 41 47 56 43.0 44.0 44.0

39 QB Philip Rivers, SD 59 40 50 41 48 44.8 44.5 44.5

40 QB Jay Cutler, CHI 35 43 35 37 66 45.3 40.0 40.0

40 QB Tony Romo, DAL 37 41 34 42 64 45.3 41.5 41.5

42 TE Jason Witten, DAL 44 * 36 36 36 46.0 36.0 36.0

43 RB Darren McFadden, OAK 40 * 43 31 38 47.0 40.5 40.5

44 TE Antonio Gates, SD 50 * 37 30 47 47.5 42.0 42.0

45 WR Wes Welker, NE 43 51 40 56 44 47.8 47.5 47.5

45 RB Pierre Thomas, NO 67 * 42 34 39 47.8 40.5 40.5

45 RB Donald Brown, IND 70 47 64 49 31 47.8 48.0 48.0

48 WR Braylon Edwards, CLE 39 57 39 62 41 49.8 49.0 49.0

49 QB Donovan McNabb, PHI 72 42 52 43 67 51.0 47.5 47.5

50 RB Ray Rice, BAL 66 48 47 53 57 51.3 50.5 50.5

51 WR Santonio Holmes, PIT 31 54 56 66 42 54.5 55.0 55.0

52 RB Rashard Mendenhall, PIT * 37 73 40 72 55.5 56.0 56.0

52 WR Chad Ochocinco, CIN 57 31 72 58 61 55.5 59.5 59.5

54 WR Eddie Royal, DEN 62 73 55 50 46 56.0 52.5 52.5

55 RB Felix Jones, DAL 65 46 63 48 70 56.8 55.5 55.5

56 QB Carson Palmer, CIN * 39 51 * 65 57.8 58.0 58.0

57 WR Roy Williams, DAL 61 50 59 * 53 59.5 56.0 56.0

58 WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, SEA 48 52 65 69 55 60.3 60.0 60.0

59 QB Matt Ryan, ATL 53 44 49 * * 61.3 62.5 62.5

60 WR Michael Crabtree, SF 26 * 69 57 45 61.8 63.0 63.0

61 WR Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ * * 71 61 50 64.5 66.0 66.0

62 RB Thomas Jones, NYJ 47 * 44 63 * 64.8 69.5 69.5

63 WR Lee Evans, BUF 54 71 70 * 43 65.0 70.5 70.5

64 WR Anthony Gonzalez, IND 63 * 58 * 51 65.3 67.0 67.0

65 WR Antonio Bryant, TB * 72 57 * 63 67.0 67.5 67.5

66 QB Kurt Warner, ARI * 64 54 * * 67.5 70.0 70.0

66 QB Ben Roethlisberger, PIT * 65 53 * * 67.5 70.5 70.5

66 WR Vincent Jackson, SD * 56 67 71 * 67.5 69.0 69.0

69 RB Larry Johnson, KC * 45 * 75 * 68.0 75.5 75.5

70 TE Dallas Clark, IND * * 62 * 59 68.3 69.0 69.0

70 TE Kellen Winslow, TB 49 * 61 * 60 68.3 68.5 68.5

70 WR DeSean Jackson, PHI 69 53 68 * * 68.3 72.0 72.0

73 RB Joseph Addai, IND 46 74 75 54 71 68.5 72.5 72.5

74 WR Santana Moss, WAS 45 * * 70 54 69.0 73.0 73.0

75 RB Shonn Greene, NYJ 73 * * 51 74 69.3 75.0 75.0

76 WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG * * * 65 62 69.8 70.5 70.5

77 WR Donnie Avery, STL * * * * 52 70.0 76.0 76.0

77 RB Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG * * * 52 * 70.0 76.0 76.0

79 TE Tony Gonzalez, ATL 52 * 60 * 69 70.3 72.5 72.5

80 RB Darren Sproles, SD * 59 * 74 73 70.5 73.5 73.5

81 RB Earnest Graham, TB * * * 55 * 70.8 76.0 76.0

82 WR Terrell Owens, BUF 74 58 * * * 71.5 76.0 76.0

82 RB LeSean McCoy, PHI 36 * * * 58 71.5 76.0 76.0

84 RB Jerious Norwood, ATL * * * 59 * 71.8 76.0 76.0

85 RB Willis McGahee, BAL * * * 60 * 72.0 76.0 76.0

85 RB Laurence Maroney, NE * 60 * * * 72.0 76.0 76.0

87 QB David Garrard, JAX * 61 * * * 72.3 76.0 76.0

88 QB Trent Edwards, BUF * 62 * * * 72.5 76.0 76.0

88 RB Derrick Ward, TB * 75 * 64 75 72.5 75.0 75.0

90 QB Matt Schaub, HOU * 63 * * * 72.8 76.0 76.0

91 TE Owen Daniels, HOU * * 66 * * 73.5 76.0 76.0

91 QB Matthew Stafford, DET * 66 * * * 73.5 76.0 76.0

93 QB Eli Manning, NYG * 67 * * * 73.8 76.0 76.0

93 RB Willie Parker, PIT 51 * * 67 * 73.8 76.0 76.0

95 QB Mark Sanchez, NYJ * 68 * * * 74.0 76.0 76.0

95 TE Chris Cooley, WAS 60 * * * 68 74.0 76.0 76.0

95 RB LenDale White, TEN * * * 68 * 74.0 76.0 76.0

98 QB Matt Cassel, KC * 69 * * * 74.3 76.0 76.0

99 WR Bernard Berrian, MIN * 70 * * * 74.5 76.0 76.0

100 RB Leon Washington, NYJ 75 * * 72 * 75.0 76.0 76.0

101 RB Jamaal Charles, KC * * * 73 * 75.3 76.0 76.0

102 RB Cedric Benson, CIN * * 74 * * 75.5 76.0 76.0

 
kremenull said:
Ripleys said:
Bush at #3 vs DeAngleo at #14? :X :shock: :crazy:
I would be appreciate it if you used a bit more of the American vocabulary to expand on your reasoning.......It's alright to have a differing opinion, and if you really want to know what's behind my ranking of these two, then let me keep it S-I-M-P-L-E for Y-O-UBush over 17ppg throughout his career.....DeA 1 'lucky' season.....Advantage: R.Bush
I'm make it S I M P L E for you. Reggie Bush career rushing average: 3.7DeAngelo Williams career rushing average: 5.1Reggie Bush has averaged playing in 12 games a year in his 3 years in the league.DeAngelo Williams has averaged 15 games a year in his 3 years in the league. DeAngleo Williams scored 20 TDs last year.Bush scored 8 TDS last year.DeAngelo Williams is the #1 starting RB on his team.Bush isn't. :coffee:
:unsure: One more to add....Bush had microfracture surgery this offseason.DWill did not have microfracture surgery this offseason.
It's great to see all the DeA owners coming out proud and loud.....I like DeA a lot as well. I just like Bush better. Anyway, there's more to these rankings than Bush v DeA, 'cause really the decision will not be resolved here but on the field from Sept. - Dec., year after year....Good Luck DeA owners! I sold high myself...... :shark:
I own DWill in zero out of 4 leagues, to justify the low rankingas him having a "lucky" year is a bit too simplistic and without merit, imo.
 
Krem,Nice effort and nice writeup. Somebody had to say it, I enjoy the analysis, it's too bad good intended threads turn into mush. Keep up the good analysis.
I don't agree with a lot of the rankings(Aaron Rodgers at #2 for instance) but like that you put effort into this.
I believe that Rodgers is right there in the mix for the #2 to #4 ranked QB. I would hope to draft him as the 3rd or 4th QB off the board but I have him ever-so slightly as the #2 best QB for dynasty this year, but going forward (beyond 2009), he just may be my #1. Why? He is in a very passer-friendly offense with a HC who is an offensive mind (former o-coordinator). Additionally, he is a young STUD, and equally as important is that he has young, talented weapons all around him. I already believe he has elevated his game to elite status as last season was no fluke in my eyes, not only is he very mobile, but the kid has great presence in the pocket and delivers one of the most accurate, catchable balls in the game. Rodgers is a top-notch talent for sure and I only see him getting better over the next couple of years. For '09, I am realistically expecting 64+% completions, 4200+ yds, 30 TDs, 11 Ints....throw in another 2-4 rush TDs
 
I appreciate the constructive criticism and dialogue and no prob with the disagreements....But one thing I've learned is to trust one's gut instincts and don't be fooled by the masses. I've been burned badly more than once by going against my initial instincts and thoughts on a player.....again, I don't try to be consensus, I strive to be better than consensus, consensus restricts the game.....I like my chances every time when I go up against consensus owners.....
Same thing here. Are you a former scout or something that I don't know about? Do you have inside information? If not, then why would you feel as if you could do a better job than FBGs. Now obviously I think FBGs is behind the Vegas linesmakers when it comes to football knowledge, but I still fail to see why you think you are better than the entire team of people working at FBGs or another big name FF site.
Are you saying that all the FBGs ARE former scouts? Do they never make mistakes? Just take a look at FBGs rankings from August of last year, and then where players finished, and it's pretty easy to see that if you draft strictly by the FBG consensus ranking, you're not going to win your league.Joe, David, and Co. aren't respected because they are right a lot, but rather because they put out a ton of stuff, they have some good methodologies to projections and prognostications, and they are fair minded, balanced people who act like professionals.

In fact, the player spotlight articles are a perfect example of the FBGs admitting they aren't always going to be right, so they solicit other opinions. And if you take a look at the projections in the player spotlight threads, they are pretty disparate. Just averaging them out isn't going to make you right... but one of those guys is going to be more right than the rest, and more right than the consensus.

Let's take a quick look at Dodd's QB projections last year:

1. Brady - Although no one knew he was hurt, some of us argued he was ranked way too high

2. Romo - finished 9th

3. Brees - finished 1st

4. PManning - finished 6th, and a lot of people thought he might be far worse given his offseason surgery (Dodds was better thaqn concensus on this one)

5. Palmer - hurt

6. Roethlisberger - finished 17th, most had him as a top-5 QB in their projections, I said and argued with people he was WAY overrated

7. McNabb - finished 7th, dead on

8. Cutler - finished 5th

9. Hasselbeck - hurt, not great when he played

10. Garrard -finished 11th

11. Derek Anderson - finished 32nd, and some of us said he was awful

12. Aaron Rodgers - finished #2, though I wasn't among them, there was a quiet bunch out there touting him as a steal

In his top-12 he hit on less than 50%... and Dodd's is FBGs BEST guy. And his RBs are even worse.

I'm not trying to knock FBGs, I have TONS of RESPECT for them... but I hate the whole "If your rankings are way off line from FBGs you suck." That attitude sucks.

 
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I don't agree with a lot of the rankings(Aaron Rodgers at #2 for instance) but like that you put effort into this.
While he might not finish #2 this year, he did last year. The team hasn't lost any weapons, and Rodgers has another year as a starter to his credit. It's a heck of a lot closer to where he is likely to finish than what the consensus projected last year.
 
I own DWill in zero out of 4 leagues, to justify the low rankingas him having a "lucky" year is a bit too simplistic and without merit, imo.
I'm not going to elaborate on every detail in my write-up on exactly why a guy is ranked where I have him. But since you ask, yes, I have a number of reasons for stating that his season was a bit of a fluke, IMO. Here are just a few... 1) Check out his first half of the year......A little over 500 rush yds, 5 total TDs......Not overly impressive, IMO2) Check out his second half of the year......Almost 1000 rush yds, 15 rush TDs....3) I've yet to count, but I know he had an inordinate number of 1-2 yd TD runs, I saw plays with S.Smith getting tackled on the 1 yd line quite a few times myself. And especially with Stewart on the team the high number of short TDs for DeA is probably not repeatable, leading to my next and most important factor.4) Stewart is on the team. Not only was he the 13th pick in the draft, let's not forget this key point, but he is also the primary goal line RB. How do I know, because I witnessed it. When healthy, Stewart gets most of the short yardage work. Much of DeA's success last year was due to Stewart's lack of health, don't be misled to underestimate this point. Do you believe that he just recently hurt his ankle, the report that just came out? The ankle most assuredly was bothering him late last season along with the lingering toe injury. Sure, DeA is a very fine RB, probably amongst the 5-6 most talented, IMO, so I am very high on him. But I am tempering my outlook on him as I just see some other factors in play here that lower my expectations, quite a bit.
 
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