Bucky86
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Yeah! Everyone shoot the bad guy wearing fatigues that is shooting everyone!!
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Shooting at Ft. Hood (1 Viewer)
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SaintsInDome2006
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Ok who's the shooter.
Ministry of Pain
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I would assume most soldiers or military folks would know how to handle a gun and in general are for being armed. How long have army bases been gun free? Has it always been that way?
1 confirmed dead, 8 wounded, 3 critical from what I am hearing on the feed.
That sucks.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Shooter in uniform turned the gun on himself and is dead...
ffldrew
Footballguy
Snopes is your friend - http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/baseguns.asp
Please note the date in upper right corner - http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a272176.pdf
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
Terrible
Doctor Detroit
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Doctor Detroit
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timschochet
Footballguy
Honest question, and I'm not trying to be like MOP- I just don't know the answer, but: didn't they change security tactics at Fort Hood and other military bases after the last attack? In order to prevent this very sort of thing from happening again?
Doctor Detroit
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Did they change the security measures on the West side of Chicago where there are ten shootings a day?
If you live on Fort Hood you can have a gun in your domicile, as long as you register it with the base. If you don't live on base you could probably sneak one in if you were wanting to confront someone (which seems to be the case here). This is a base with 40k troops, you can't search every car.
The reason this story or any story about a shooting on a military base, is they are pretty infrequent as compared to the general population. Also considering what happened at Fort Hood a few years back, it becomes a monster story.
timschochet
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Riversco
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To be fair, the Breitbart article you quoted did not claim that Clinton issued an executive order. And Clinton had two months to do something to prevent the change, as well as 8 years to reverse it, so Clinton deserves at least partial blame / credit for the change.
The Bush administration may have done it just to cause Clinton potential trouble with the NRA lobby later on or something, but Clinton didn't do anything about it.
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Riversco
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It doesn't seem like enough people care. Every time there is a shooting, there is shock and outrage, and then after a couple weeks people forget about it. Sandy Hook couldn't change things. This won't either.
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Dexter
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Mr. Retukes
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timschochet
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Riversco
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PatsWillWin
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Kent State on lockdown after shots fired there.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
People were randomly (assumed today) killed by a lone individual for no reason in a public setting. Do you really not see the point the poster you quoted was saying? Sub the Co. Movie massacre, the Navalyard shootings... The point is the same. News is made, gun control is a hot topic for a few weeks, politicians grandstand and by the time it happens again, most have forgotten about the last incident. What is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing yet expecting different results.
timschochet
Footballguy
I get that, and FWIW I am in favor of reasonable gun control measures, like universal background checks and registration. But the situations are so wildly dissimilar. When a shooting occurs on a military base like Fort Hood, I'm not sure what if any gun control measures would have prevented it.
T Bell
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Ministry of Pain
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Why? Because I think people who are trained to handle weapons should have them in plentiful supply?
Doctor Detroit
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SacramentoBob
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Ministry of Pain
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jamny
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Doctor Detroit
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You're just digging yourself a deeper hole as per usual.
And military bases aren't gun-free, you making the illogical jump to that conclusion isn't all that surprising though.
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timschochet
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If in fact he was surrounded by armed soldiers, then I think this is a reasonable point which speaks against the NRA argument, repeated endlessly, that the solution to bad guys with guns is more good guys with guns.
However, I'm still not clear whether or not the soldiers that he fired upon were armed themselves. And if they were, I don't know how long it took them to react. And also if they were, we have to wonder how many more people might be dead right now if they were not armed. There's too much right now that we just don't know.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I thought Hood was a gun-free zone, meaning only MP's were allowed to carry.
timschochet
Footballguy
The CNN scroll reads: "Shooter believed to have a semi-automatic handgun."
Question- are there any handguns sold these days that AREN'T semi-automatic?
Question- are there any handguns sold these days that AREN'T semi-automatic?
Doctor Detroit
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Well yes, but that doesn't mean "gun-free" to me. You can have them in your home if you live on base, so there are a lot of guns on base in the hands of non-MPs. Pretty similar to the state of Maryland's gun laws, and probably several others.
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PatsWillWin
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timschochet
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Doctor Detroit
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So he was diagnosed with PTSD, served in Iraq, and was confronted by military policemen.
ETA: Not "diagnosed" but "sought help for PTSD." Having the Army "diagnose" you with PTSD is an atrocious process, basically you have to have half your brain hanging out of your head.
ETA: Not "diagnosed" but "sought help for PTSD." Having the Army "diagnose" you with PTSD is an atrocious process, basically you have to have half your brain hanging out of your head.
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PatsWillWin
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Right, guns are allowed to be kept in homes, but not on the base, so it's not like this guy was firing a handgun into a crowd of armed soldiers, as Timmay thinks is a possibility.
Doctor Detroit
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Well there are thousands of homes on base, I think around 25k people live on base. It's basically a small city at night, a medium sized city of 50k during the day. I've been on it, it's a monster.
timschochet
Footballguy
Actually it was Run It Up who made that assumption, not me. Of course I think it's a possibility; intuitively, I would think it would be more likely at a military base that a random shooter would face armed opposition than in a public area. But I could be wrong about that; I really have no idea. I'm sure we'll find out shortly what actually happened.
Jim11
Footballguy
No, because name-calling is what the left does.
BTW, I was in the military for 2 years, including a year in a war zone. At no time was I issued a weapon to carry around or keep in my locker. I was in logistics, so while technically in a war zone, I was only issued a weapon when I had guard duty or if there was a practice alert...luckily, there was never a "real" alert.
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PatsWillWin
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I didn't mean to suggest you assumed that to be the case, just that you thought it was a possibility based on the fact that they were on a military base. It's a reasonable assumption to make, but my impression is that when you're in an actual building, you're not allowed to carry. There would be some armed MP's, but who knows how many, how far away they are, etc. I thought I read he was in some kind of medical wing or section, but I could be making that up. We'll find out more as we go on, and in the mean time, I'll defer to Detroit on these kinds of things.
timschochet
Footballguy
Fair enough.
Either way, like most of these anecdotal situations, no matter how tragic they are, I don't think they're going to tell us much about gun control issues one way or another.
Doctor Detroit
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I carried a loaded weapon all the time in Iraq and Afghanistan, never went anywhere without it. That's what "the left" has done for you, **** Cheney.
Where were you, Grenada?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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It's more of the runaround you get. I can't even imagine the World War II guys with "shell shock" they saw things none of us has seen since. Vietnam vets were just ignored, awful.
Anyone serving in Iraq or Afghanistan (especially 2002-2006) has probably seen some forgettable things, lost friends, seen death and destruction. I wasn't right when I got out, I did some reckless stuff. Had friends I served with do the same, some of them really have struggled.
It sucks, I hate it. Some of these guys coming back are just lost, it's not easy to see.
