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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)

First traded Spiller for Lamar Miller and Gio (discussed previously).

Then, went bonkers and traded a set of three potentially elite players for AJ Green (same league).

Traded Lamar Miller, Torrey Smith and Josh Gordon for AJ Green.

As a resulted, Ive added Step 4 called the "Julio/AJ Addendum - Just Pay, Its OK".
I bet your league mates remained quiet after AJ Green was felt for Torrey Smith and two prospect/flyer types :-|*Lets be real, Miller/Gordon are nothing more than very good/highly hyped prospects right now. They shouldn't even be in the conversation for players like AJG.
I know, I know. Heard it before. Im an idiot for taking prospects Gio and Miller for elite player Spiller, and now this other guy is an idiot for taking prospects Miller, Torrey and Gordon for elite player AJ Green. I don't think its that simple of an analysis though.
This trade was far worse than the Spiller one. Miller is a top 3 pick if you could select him in a rookie draft this year. So's Gio. So at least that's defensible (although the margin for error is very small since the best case for either guy is that he becomes Spiller).

This one is pretty rough. AJG is a top 3 receiver. And incredibly young still. Nobody in that trade is gonna turn into AJ Green. It could be a win for the other guy if Miller becomes a top 10 RB, Smith becomes a WR1, and Gordon becomes a WR1...but that's a tiny margin of error valuing all three of those guys at their upside without any risk factored in.
I can see what you mean from that perspective. However, look at it this way. How much more valuable is AJ Green over Spiller? A number on other threads put Gordon right up to the 1.1 if he were in available in a draft with the rookies today. In other words, Gordon is equal or greater to Gio (in some minds). Miller for Miller cancels out.

Thus, we have CJ Spiller (whom I love) plus Torrey Smith (whom I rank higher than most, maybe the highest) for AJ Green. If you agree with the above (e.g., the Gordon = Gio), and believe that the AJ Green trade is much worse, then you must also believe that AJ Green >>>>> CJ Spilller + Torrey Smith, which I don't think is the case.

If you find those two sides equal, then the CJ Spiller trade must be equally as bad as the AJ Green trade.
If that's what the market believes, then I suppose.

I would trade Spiller for Green, not that it matters.

My deviation there is that I think people are insane to value Gordon that highly. In no universe is he worth Gio or Miller or Lacy or LeVeon Bell or Montee Ball or Tavon Austin...to me. Which of course colors how I see the trades.

 
First traded Spiller for Lamar Miller and Gio (discussed previously).

Then, went bonkers and traded a set of three potentially elite players for AJ Green (same league).

Traded Lamar Miller, Torrey Smith and Josh Gordon for AJ Green.

As a resulted, Ive added Step 4 called the "Julio/AJ Addendum - Just Pay, Its OK".
Love both these trades. Not a big fan of Miller but he holds a lot of trade value (as you've illustrated).

Spiller, Torrey and Gordon for Gio and AJG = :money:

 
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12 team PPR; 1-2-3-1-1flex

Doug Martin, Pierre Garcon, and Michael Floyd

for

Demaryius Thomas, Alfred Morris, and Leonard Hankerson

 
meyerj31 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Lamar Miller

Reuben Randle

for

Cruz
Steal for Miller and Randle
Not sure I agree. Cruz is a long-term WR1 and a year ago was cracking many people's top-5 rankings. Maybe I'm misremembering, and it was top-10 rankings. But still, he's in my top-10. You'd have to be a big Miller believer to call it a "steal".
Steal for Cruz if you ask me. Especially if you play in PPR.
I Agree. Not that Miller and Randle aren't good prospects, but I don't see how this is a "steal" for Miller and Randle. I'll take the Cruz side.

 
10 team PPR Start 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex(R/W/T) Gave: Colston Got: Jordy Nelson Jordy Replaces Colston as my 3rd WR. new lineup: A-Rod Charles/Spiller/Martin Cruz/Harvin/Jordy Finley
Who on earth would do this?
somebody who is bailing on the league after this year.
...or a Packers fan.
The new Colston owner is the one everyone's questioning.
I would rather have Colston.
You guys are in the minority.
I think most have Nelson ahead of Colston so trading him straight up is a bad move....I think Colston can be a more consistant FF WR...I think his ceiling is lower than Nelson but his Floor is higher....but you should base the trades you make on market value...and in every format Nelson has more value
I do think Colston can be more consistent (especially year to year so far), but I thought getting one of A-Rod's targets while getting a couple years younger could work out very well for me. With Jennings gone, and assuming Jordy is healthy I think he will be just fine. Colston might be seen as more consistent, but he had some HUGE 30 and 40 point games last season and then had a few games where he only caught a 2-4 balls and 40-60 yards. Most of his games he ended up scoring around 7-14 points for me when I needed more from him, and in the end it wasn't enough. With Jennings gone, I think Nelson will put up the same numbers or better as Colston will (as long as he can stay healthy).

and I'm not a Packers fan, just saw an opportunity to get a couple years younger and get one of A-Rod's targets. If he can't stay healthy, I have plenty of other WR2 and WR3 options like bowe, decker, antonio brown, to fill in. Also as mentioned above, Nelson has more value than Colston, so I still like this trade and would do it again.

 
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meyerj31 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Lamar Miller

Reuben Randle

for

Cruz
Steal for Miller and Randle
Not sure I agree. Cruz is a long-term WR1 and a year ago was cracking many people's top-5 rankings. Maybe I'm misremembering, and it was top-10 rankings. But still, he's in my top-10. You'd have to be a big Miller believer to call it a "steal".
Steal for Cruz if you ask me. Especially if you play in PPR.
I have him just outside my top 10, but the steal in my eyes is because I am high on Miller and Randle. By week 8 in 2014 I think Randle and Cruz will be equal, add in a top 20 back and that is just icing on the cake.

 
I had P. Manning, Luck and R. Wilson at QB, only Lynch and R. Mathews at RB and H. Miller, Olsen and Fleener at TE.

Was offered Dalton, the 1.04 and Pettigrew for Wilson and the 1.07. I accepted and turned the 1.04 into Montee Ball (he took Franklin at 1.07) and I'm going to see what I can get for Dalton and Pettigrew if either put up a good run during the season to see how I do with the actual trade value after all is said and done.

 
I had P. Manning, Luck and R. Wilson at QB, only Lynch and R. Mathews at RB and H. Miller, Olsen and Fleener at TE.

Was offered Dalton, the 1.04 and Pettigrew for Wilson and the 1.07. I accepted and turned the 1.04 into Montee Ball (he took Franklin at 1.07) and I'm going to see what I can get for Dalton and Pettigrew if either put up a good run during the season to see how I do with the actual trade value after all is said and done.
Even though you have the depth at QB, the guy getting Wilson got a pretty good deal IMO. I see the reason for trading a QB, but I think you probably could have got a better deal.

 
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I had P. Manning, Luck and R. Wilson at QB, only Lynch and R. Mathews at RB and H. Miller, Olsen and Fleener at TE.

Was offered Dalton, the 1.04 and Pettigrew for Wilson and the 1.07. I accepted and turned the 1.04 into Montee Ball (he took Franklin at 1.07) and I'm going to see what I can get for Dalton and Pettigrew if either put up a good run during the season to see how I do with the actual trade value after all is said and done.
Even though you have the depth at QB, the guy getting Wilson got a pretty good deal IMO. I see the reason for trading a QB, but I think you probably could have got a better deal.
I don't disagree but there are maybe a dozen trades a year in this league, if that. Nobody wants to move anyone.

 
Josh Gordon

Dwyer

for

Antonio Brown

Ben Tate
Brown and Tate side by a lot, but I am not a fan of Gordon
I am the Gordon side. Surprised by the "a lot". I really don't have much faith in Brown doing anything special with his opportunity this season and what's not to like about Gordon other than his off the field stuff which the NFL continues to prove doesn't really mean much? The difference between these two being Ben Tate is a pretty easy call for me - though I should note that it's a 10 team start 1 RB 1 WR and 3 flex so studs are what you need. I think I got the potential stud in the deal though I concede Brown and or Tate could also become the studs, I just have less faith in that happening.

 
Josh Gordon

Dwyer

for

Antonio Brown

Ben Tate
Brown and Tate side by a lot, but I am not a fan of Gordon
I am the Gordon side. Surprised by the "a lot". I really don't have much faith in Brown doing anything special with his opportunity this season and what's not to like about Gordon other than his off the field stuff which the NFL continues to prove doesn't really mean much? The difference between these two being Ben Tate is a pretty easy call for me - though I should note that it's a 10 team start 1 RB 1 WR and 3 flex so studs are what you need. I think I got the potential stud in the deal though I concede Brown and or Tate could also become the studs, I just have less faith in that happening.
He plays in Cleveland for now and one more hiccup and it will be at least an 8 game ban probably a year. So give me the guy with a 1000 yard season already under his belt and a possible starting back next year.

 
Not involved but happened in a 12 team idp ppr:

H gave up Pead, Isaiah STL RB;White, Roddy ATL WR;Witten, Jason DAL TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.08
4 gave up Miller, Lamar MIA RB;Quick, Brian STL WR;Cook, Jared STL TE


 
Not involved but happened in a 12 team idp ppr:

H gave up Pead, Isaiah STL RB;White, Roddy ATL WR;Witten, Jason DAL TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.08

4 gave up Miller, Lamar MIA RB;Quick, Brian STL WR;Cook, Jared STL TE
I love Miller as much as anyone but that seems like a ton to give up for him and two below average prospects, if you could even call Cook a prospect

 
Team A gave up:

P Harvin 3yr 83k

S Ridley 2 Yr 45k

Team B gave up:

J Franklin 2yr 11k

D Robinson 1yr 11k

Megatron 3yr 115k

Can the sharks guess which side I was on....

 
Not involved but happened in a 12 team idp ppr:

H gave up Pead, Isaiah STL RB;White, Roddy ATL WR;Witten, Jason DAL TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.08

4 gave up Miller, Lamar MIA RB;Quick, Brian STL WR;Cook, Jared STL TE
I love Miller as much as anyone but that seems like a ton to give up for him and two below average prospects, if you could even call Cook a prospect
Yeah this is too much IMO, H should have gotten more in return (or given up less). What has Miller proven to cost that much?

 
Stick with me here, may take a while

Not involved here but

12 team start 1/1/1/1 and 4 flexes

Cap of $53m

Mike Wallace - $4,025,000

For

2014 1st (probably playoffs)

Kendall Wright - $2,275,000

Santonio Holmes - $1,100,000

Team that gave up the first has a strong team for this year but has no cap room (80k) so will need to trade to even make a drop/waiver pick up.

Brees

McCoy

Richardson

Dez

Wallace

Desean Jackson

Lance Moore

Gronk

 
For player value....

Zealot non-ppr

Get: SJax

Give: 2014 1st (playoff team)

12 team ppr

Get: Blackmon

Give: Hopkins and 2nd

 
For player value....

Zealot non-ppr

Get: SJax

Give: 2014 1st (playoff team)

12 team ppr

Get: Blackmon

Give: Hopkins and 2nd
SJax trade could be win/win if it puts the receiving team over the top. Can't imagine any scenario where I wouldn't want Blackmon in the second deal.

 
PPR, very flex starters

Nassib, Ryan NYG QB
Gerhart, Toby MIN RB
Peterson, Adrian MIN RB
Tamme, Jacob DEN TE

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Smith, Geno NYJ QB
Murray, DeMarco DAL RB
Housler, Robert ARI TE
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick
Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick
Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick

 
PPR, very flex starters

Nassib, Ryan NYG QB

Gerhart, Toby MIN RB

Peterson, Adrian MIN RB

Tamme, Jacob DEN TE

for

Smith, Geno NYJ QB

Murray, DeMarco DAL RB

Housler, Robert ARI TE

Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick

Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick

Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick
AP side... by a lot.

 
PPR, very flex starters

Nassib, Ryan NYG QBGerhart, Toby MIN RBPeterson, Adrian MIN RBTamme, Jacob DEN TE

for

Smith, Geno NYJ QBMurray, DeMarco DAL RBHousler, Robert ARI TEYear 2014 Round 1 Draft PickYear 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick
That is cheap for Peterson. Basically Murray and a future 1 for ADP (though the throw ins are weaker on the ADP side).

 
Should be able to get more for Adrian Peterson. This only breaks even in the ideal case where Murray's health issues disappear and the 1st rounder is fairly high.

 
I'm assuming "very flex" means superflex in which case it's reasonable given Geno is a decent short term starter with a chance for more. Also there's probably 3 1st round QBs next year which makes the 2014 1st even better value (either you get another QB, or a better prospect falls to your late 1st).

 
12 team, 0.5PPR, start 1/2/3/1

I gave: 2.06/4.12

I received: Ruben Randle/3.01
So you move down 7 spots and trade Randle for 59th rookie pick?In a 3 WR half PPR?

Makes... sense?
Some people get rookie crazy.
I traded down 7 spots and gave up the 48th pick for Randle. Made sense to me. :)
Great for you, we're saying the other guy is a fool.
By this time in August you will be able to get a 2014 first for him, from some one buying the hype and he will never have even played a down

 
12 team, 0.5PPR, start 1/2/3/1

I gave: 2.06/4.12

I received: Ruben Randle/3.01
So you move down 7 spots and trade Randle for 59th rookie pick?In a 3 WR half PPR?

Makes... sense?
Some people get rookie crazy.
I traded down 7 spots and gave up the 48th pick for Randle. Made sense to me. :)
Great for you, we're saying the other guy is a fool.
By this time in August you will be able to get a 2014 first for him, from some one buying the hype and he will never have even played a down
Never played a down?

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
msudaisy26 said:
cstu said:
Andrew74 said:
cstu said:
12 team, 0.5PPR, start 1/2/3/1

I gave: 2.06/4.12

I received: Ruben Randle/3.01
So you move down 7 spots and trade Randle for 59th rookie pick?In a 3 WR half PPR?

Makes... sense?
Some people get rookie crazy.
I traded down 7 spots and gave up the 48th pick for Randle. Made sense to me. :)
Great for you, we're saying the other guy is a fool.
By this time in August you will be able to get a 2014 first for him, from some one buying the hype and he will never have even played a down
Never played a down?
Good catch I meant never played a down this season

 

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