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Da Gildz

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This is likely my last year doing the FBG tournament. I'm currently 6-3 in 1 league fighting for that 3 seed. 1 of the teams I'm competing with for that coveted spot is facing a team with Luck on bye and nothing but Foles on the bench. Of course that team doesn't pick up another qb this week. Why would he. What's even more ridiculous, that team is 5-4 and still in contention for the 4 seed. The fact that u have to rely on other teams to even field an active lineup makes this tournament a joke frankly. With 4 teams making playoffs, it's really a disgrace. It's bad enough you get screwed by the schedule, u also have to deal with other owners getting free W's. This is a real problem this tournament presents every year. Not sure what the solution is, perhaps having commissioners enter a teams' last active lineup could be an option. Although you'd still have issues like the one I'm facing with this clown.

But If this is just something 'you just have to deal with', well, I'd rather not to be honest. Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me multiple times now.

Before I read the "Well if you were that good, you'd be the 2 or 4 seed at minimum". Not true. I'm in a few leagues that have several good teams in it. One league even has 6/12 teams that are 6-3 or better.

Just had to vent but yea I'm out next yr.

 
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This is his lineup at the moment. No backup Defense either. Doubt he even replaces the few bye guys he can even replace.

QB Andrew Luck, IND BYE

RB Donald Brown, SD BYE

RB Ahmad Bradshaw, IND BYE

WR Dwayne Bowe, KC @BUF

WR Riley Cooper, PHI CAR

Flex Louis Murphy, TB ATL

Flex Jeremy Maclin, PHI CAR

TE Julius Thomas, DEN @OAK

PK Blair Walsh, MIN BYE 0.00

DST IND Team Defense, IND BYE 0.00

I'd even suggest flagging a team/owner like this for future years. And having owners aware there is a 'flagged' team signed up for this draft. Enter at your own will. Something needs to change tho..

 
The National (Injuries, 2RBBC and 3RBBC committees, Suspensions) League is really getting tired and old.

Actually ,we are now even seeing some teams with 4RBBC, and I can count only 8 stand-alone RB's (Ellington, Forte, Murray, Lacy, Foster, Charles, Bell and Lynch). Everyone else in the NFL is in committee.

Coaches now want multiple backs making most RB's fantasy irrelevant. Another new trend is to spread the ball around rather than highlighting your star players. And ala Brandon Marshall and Calvin Johnson, star players now come onto the field as DECOYS scoring little or nothing. Bad enough they were injured.....now we have to read into coaches decisions to try to fool the opposition. Injuries are hidden by every team for as long as possible. I call all of this the Belichick syndrome. Whatever it takes to win.

That's one reason I have tired of Fantasy Football.

The other is the problem explained above by Da Gildz. I run into that every year. People who just give up and quit!

Then there is the problem with FFPC trying to get to 7,500 teams and to do that, they have to get as many drafters as they can in July or August.

But here's the problem with that one......You'd be a fool to draft prior to the Tuesday after the third preseason game just due to the injury factor alone. You draft a guy that goes down early, you're screwed. Then there are the people that drafted Matt Prater early this year only to find out in late August that he was suspended for four games, thereby screwing everyone who drafted him as they were not able to pick up a kicker until Week 2 (Only an idiot would draft two kickers). I estimate that 150 people or more got bit by that one.

I won't go too far on the website. Certainly it has some redeeming features and they did fix a few bugs along the way, but why was this not completely beta tested at least a year in advance? AND, that we cannot view multiple teams at once is extremely short-sighted.

I highly doubt that I will be back, but to be fair, most of that is due to the National (Whatever) League.

 
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When I am a Commissioner, I always have a policy anyone can send me a message Sunday morning asking me to set a lineup for a derelict owner. These owners introduce the wrong kind of randomness into the league, namely quirks of scheduling. I am considering leaving a league this year due to the fact I played a good team and lost and that owner is now absent and my opponents are playing him without the lineups being set. I blame the Commissioner- the guy was his friend and was brought into the league and now does this.

 
Da Gildz said:
This is likely my last year doing the FBG tournament. I'm currently 6-3 in 1 league fighting for that 3 seed. 1 of the teams I'm competing with for that coveted spot is facing a team with Luck on bye and nothing but Foles on the bench. Of course that team doesn't pick up another qb this week. Why would he. What's even more ridiculous, that team is 5-4 and still in contention for the 4 seed. The fact that u have to rely on other teams to even field an active lineup makes this tournament a joke frankly. With 4 teams making playoffs, it's really a disgrace. It's bad enough you get screwed by the schedule, u also have to deal with other owners getting free W's. This is a real problem this tournament presents every year. Not sure what the solution is, perhaps having commissioners enter a teams' last active lineup could be an option. Although you'd still have issues like the one I'm facing with this clown.

But If this is just something 'you just have to deal with', well, I'd rather not to be honest. Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me multiple times now.

Before I read the "Well if you were that good, you'd be the 2 or 4 seed at minimum". Not true. I'm in a few leagues that have several good teams in it. One league even has 6/12 teams that are 6-3 or better.

Just had to vent but yea I'm out next yr.
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Welcome to the vagaries of H2H

That said two of the qualifying spots are points

Farewell - there are tons of leagues out there you can find a scoring system that you want to play in rather than having to ##### about one you chose to enter

 
yumpinyoda said:
The National (Injuries, 2RBBC and 3RBBC committees, Suspensions) League is really getting tired and old.

Coaches now want multiple backs making most RB's fantasy irrelevant. Another new trend is to spread the ball around rather than highlighting your star players. And ala Brandon Marshall and Calvin Johnson, star players now come onto the field as DECOYS scoring little or nothing. Bad enough they were injured.....now we have to read into coaches decisions to try to fool the opposition. Injuries are hidden by every team for as long as possible. I call all of this the Belichick syndrome. Whatever it takes to win.

That's one reason I have tired of Fantasy Football.

The other is the problem explained above by Da Gildz. I run into that every year. People who just give up and quit!

Then there is the problem with FFPC trying to get to 7,500 teams and to do that, they have to get as many drafters as they can in July or August.

But here's the problem with that one......You'd be a fool to draft prior to the Tuesday after the third preseason game just due to the injury factor alone. You draft a guy that goes down early, you're screwed. Then there are the people that drafted Matt Prater early this year only to find out in late August that he was suspended for four games, thereby screwing everyone who drafted him as they were not able to pick up a kicker until Week 2 (Only an idiot would draft two kickers). I estimate that 150 people or more got bit by that one.

I won't go too far on the website. Certainly it has some redeeming features and they did fix a few bugs along the way, but why was this not completely beta tested at least a year in advance? AND, that we cannot view multiple teams at once is extremely short-sighted.

I highly doubt that I will be back, but to be fair, most of that is due to the National (Whatever) League.
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You really should differentiate between the FFPC (a high stakes contest with the same rules) and this the FBGPC (run by FFPC for Football Guys)

 
Captain Hook said:
Da Gildz said:
This is likely my last year doing the FBG tournament. I'm currently 6-3 in 1 league fighting for that 3 seed. 1 of the teams I'm competing with for that coveted spot is facing a team with Luck on bye and nothing but Foles on the bench. Of course that team doesn't pick up another qb this week. Why would he. What's even more ridiculous, that team is 5-4 and still in contention for the 4 seed. The fact that u have to rely on other teams to even field an active lineup makes this tournament a joke frankly. With 4 teams making playoffs, it's really a disgrace. It's bad enough you get screwed by the schedule, u also have to deal with other owners getting free W's. This is a real problem this tournament presents every year. Not sure what the solution is, perhaps having commissioners enter a teams' last active lineup could be an option. Although you'd still have issues like the one I'm facing with this clown.

But If this is just something 'you just have to deal with', well, I'd rather not to be honest. Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me multiple times now.

Before I read the "Well if you were that good, you'd be the 2 or 4 seed at minimum". Not true. I'm in a few leagues that have several good teams in it. One league even has 6/12 teams that are 6-3 or better

Just had to vent but yea I'm out next yr.
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Welcome to the vagaries of H2HThat said two of the qualifying spots are points

Farewell - there are tons of leagues out there you can find a scoring system that you want to play in rather than having to ##### about one you chose to enter
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Hey I take full ownership. I chose to enter this thing. And I completely understand and accept the nuances of H2H fantasy football. Scoring 150 and losing one week, then putting up 110 and lucking into a win. That's fantasy. My issue is with the amount of tanking/quitting that u see across the whole format. And done by teams who shouldn't even be tanking to begin with. It's just absurd that a guy 1 game back and 60 Pts out of a playoff spot has thrown in the white towel. Just way to much reliance on other teams to actually be a stand up owner and respect the integrity of the league. If that's asking to much, which apparently it is in the FBG tourney, then yes I'll just go elsewhere. It's all good.

 
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Completely agree with you. The number of teams across my leagues that are playing guys on bye or guys that are injured is very disappointing. It's all luck of the draw of course but when the top teams are getting free wins, it is pretty lame. I play a full roster no matter my record. It's probably impossible, but having some sort of automatic line-up would be nice. If a player is on a bye or listed as Doubtful or Out, it could automatically switch out the player with the best available from the bench. Nothing can be done about waiver picks but an a software setting that comes on (that you could switch off manually) after X time of not logging on to the team seems fair.

 
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Completely agree with you. The number of teams across my leagues that are playing guys on bye or guys that are injured is very disappointing. It's all luck of the draw of course but when the top teams are getting free wins, it is pretty lame. I play a full roster no matter my record. It's probably impossible, but having some sort of automatic line-up would be nice. If a player is on a bye or listed as Doubtful or Out, it could automatically switch out the player with the best available from the bench. Nothing can be done about waiver picks but an a software setting that comes on (that you could switch off manually) after X time of not logging on to the team seems fair.
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I like this idea very much. I may send it into Yahoo!. It would be very easy for them to program, Have it as a league setting- automatically activate where possible..

 
Da Gildz said:
This is likely my last year doing the FBG tournament. I'm currently 6-3 in 1 league fighting for that 3 seed. 1 of the teams I'm competing with for that coveted spot is facing a team with Luck on bye and nothing but Foles on the bench. Of course that team doesn't pick up another qb this week. Why would he. What's even more ridiculous, that team is 5-4 and still in contention for the 4 seed. The fact that u have to rely on other teams to even field an active lineup makes this tournament a joke frankly. With 4 teams making playoffs, it's really a disgrace. It's bad enough you get screwed by the schedule, u also have to deal with other owners getting free W's. This is a real problem this tournament presents every year. Not sure what the solution is, perhaps having commissioners enter a teams' last active lineup could be an option. Although you'd still have issues like the one I'm facing with this clown.

But If this is just something 'you just have to deal with', well, I'd rather not to be honest. Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me multiple times now.

Before I read the "Well if you were that good, you'd be the 2 or 4 seed at minimum". Not true. I'm in a few leagues that have several good teams in it. One league even has 6/12 teams that are 6-3 or better.

Just had to vent but yea I'm out next yr.
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You know that we've been doing this for a long time now and have given thought to everything that happens with the FFPC and specifically the Footballguys Players Championship. This is an age old issue in fantasy football and has to be dealt with by every single commissioner and when it comes to an event like the FFPC or FPC, it's a much more complicated matter. I am betting you probably know this already.

The reason we have the "hands off" position when it comes to team neglect and/or abandonment (unless it's a malicious attempt at sabotage) is because we have not come up with a valid solution that addresses the problem and doesn't create unwanted consequences. The suggestion given a couple of posts above in writing a program that automatically sets lineups has been considered by us and discussed with both RTSports and our current developer and we are not satisfied that it would be a better alternative to the hands off approach. I know this may not make sense to some of you here but when you are talking about 7000+ teams, what may seem like a simple solution becomes complicated when examined from various angles of a game operator. That's before you get to the actual job of developing the code and making sure it functions correctly.

RTSports has something in place that does what the above posts suggests and we discussed it a couple of years ago when we were still with them. We decided against it as it did not function to our satisfaction and created the unwanted consequences I keep mentioning.

I know that team neglect/abandonment is frustrating, especially when it works against you. It also often works for you - no one complains when that happens, of course. We would love to eventually find a way to solve or curtail this issue but I just don't see a fix on the horizon. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and this is a perfect example of it. So before anyone decides to leave the FFPC for another contests because of this, be sure you are fully aware what the other contests do in these situations, if it's any different from our position. And if it is, how exactly it functions and impacts the contest.

 
There has to be some controls you can put in. Even what I mentioned above, why can't you have flags on teams or warnings of some sort if other owners report them. We're all entering drafts blind every July/August. It would be nice to have some disclosure provided. Even just a notification "there is 1 flagged team in this draft", prior to all us joining it and dropping 350 on a team in the process. This is your tournament, I'd imagine you can deny anyone entry if u so choose. I realize team abandonment is probably something you can't ever eliminate, especially in a tournament this size, but perhaps there are ways to alleviate the issue. Also why not some sort of communication available where maybe the FFPC can send an email to the owner in question. There really needs to be something done here. I know there are enough people who will join regardless and don't care enough about this to speak up, but I for one just can't accept the "Sorry, we haven't thought of anything that's feasible, so just have to deal with it" resolution. I know u guys mean well Alex and your/FFPC intentions are good, but this is such a major issue in my eyes. Either way, good luck to you in the future.

 
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Totally agree with you Da Gildz.

I have been in this from the beginning and I'm tired of seeing these quitters completely conflating the standings, ESPECIALLY when Alex and Dave give FIRST thoughts to Won-Loss record and NOT to total points.

Alex/Dave, you may have thought this out, but your conclusion is incorrect AND you need to find a way to combat the quitters indifference.

 
Alex - FFPC said:
Da Gildz said:
This is likely my last year doing the FBG tournament. I'm currently 6-3 in 1 league fighting for that 3 seed. 1 of the teams I'm competing with for that coveted spot is facing a team with Luck on bye and nothing but Foles on the bench. Of course that team doesn't pick up another qb this week. Why would he. What's even more ridiculous, that team is 5-4 and still in contention for the 4 seed. The fact that u have to rely on other teams to even field an active lineup makes this tournament a joke frankly. With 4 teams making playoffs, it's really a disgrace. It's bad enough you get screwed by the schedule, u also have to deal with other owners getting free W's. This is a real problem this tournament presents every year. Not sure what the solution is, perhaps having commissioners enter a teams' last active lineup could be an option. Although you'd still have issues like the one I'm facing with this clown.

But If this is just something 'you just have to deal with', well, I'd rather not to be honest. Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me multiple times now.

Before I read the "Well if you were that good, you'd be the 2 or 4 seed at minimum". Not true. I'm in a few leagues that have several good teams in it. One league even has 6/12 teams that are 6-3 or better.

Just had to vent but yea I'm out next yr.
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You know that we've been doing this for a long time now and have given thought to everything that happens with the FFPC and specifically the Footballguys Players Championship. This is an age old issue in fantasy football and has to be dealt with by every single commissioner and when it comes to an event like the FFPC or FPC, it's a much more complicated matter. I am betting you probably know this already.

The reason we have the "hands off" position when it comes to team neglect and/or abandonment (unless it's a malicious attempt at sabotage) is because we have not come up with a valid solution that addresses the problem and doesn't create unwanted consequences. The suggestion given a couple of posts above in writing a program that automatically sets lineups has been considered by us and discussed with both RTSports and our current developer and we are not satisfied that it would be a better alternative to the hands off approach. I know this may not make sense to some of you here but when you are talking about 7000+ teams, what may seem like a simple solution becomes complicated when examined from various angles of a game operator. That's before you get to the actual job of developing the code and making sure it functions correctly.

RTSports has something in place that does what the above posts suggests and we discussed it a couple of years ago when we were still with them. We decided against it as it did not function to our satisfaction and created the unwanted consequences I keep mentioning.

I know that team neglect/abandonment is frustrating, especially when it works against you. It also often works for you - no one complains when that happens, of course. We would love to eventually find a way to solve or curtail this issue but I just don't see a fix on the horizon. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and this is a perfect example of it. So before anyone decides to leave the FFPC for another contests because of this, be sure you are fully aware what the other contests do in these situations, if it's any different from our position. And if it is, how exactly it functions and impacts the contest.
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In my league this week the guy who didn't pick up any QB to play was only 1 game out of a tie for 1st and playing the guy in the #2 spot overall. he looses by less than 5 points by taking a goose egg at QB. This team DID make waiver pickups this week but no QB. It stinks big time to the point I wonder about collusion...

 
I agree with Alex on this issue. Taking a hands off position is probably the best approach towards owners who do not manage their lineups properly or who quit. Only in cases of collusion or cheating would a hands-on approach be warranted.

Look at this way. It's similar to a giant poker tournament where some players will donk off chips, play hands badly, and fold hands they shouldn't. Their individual play may affect the final outcome, but they paid for their seat and can play as badly as they want or not at all. They just can't cheat.

This game is all about the performance of NFL players but the other owners are also players in the game. And just like one of your players may go on IR or give up on a play and you have no control over it, another owner may give up and you have no control over it.

Flagging an owner for next year is an interesting idea but they could just change their email address and create a new account. It probably would not be very effective even if you did it by IP address. Also I would absolutely want to join those leagues.

 
Why would you absolutely want to join those leagues? It's completely random having these shlubs on your schedule 'late' in the season. The guy your chasing has just as good a chance to face that owner as well. No owner is giving up in the first 6 or 7 weeks. So I don't get why you'd prefer more randomness/luck involved when there already is a alot of luck already factored in. Myself, I'd prefer every owner submitting an active lineup throughout the yr just to respect the integrity of the league. That's wishful thinking I know. I picked up guys on 1 of my teams at 2-7, so I can field an active lineup. I realize that in doing that, I'm in the extreme minority in this tournament.

 
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A thought here......

To keep up the interest of ALL owners, why not UP the Toilet Bowl prizes significantly and promote it during the season.

 
How would that be any incentive for these jokers to field active lineups in weeks 10 and 11? These teams are already resigned to the fact, they're going to the toilet bowl, why bother trying to win now? Forget winning, how about even setting a legitimate lineup.

I understand you cant force a team to set a lineup but why can't the FFPC step in and communicate with the owner in question IF there is a complaint of this sort. I realize they don't want to post the owners' emails for obvious reasons (collusion being #1) but why cant the FFPC play the middle man. At least send a courtesy email/reminder to the owner to please set a lineup. If that emails goes unread or the owner still does nothing, so be it. But do something, anything. There is 300k on the line here and these owners who abandon their teams affect this tournament and its outcome. There are probably a ton of teams who win leagues and go on to win $ in the Champ rds who otherwise wouldn't have even been in the playoffs if not for 1 of those abandoned teams on their schedule. And in contrary, im sure there are many team who got screwed by this and could have went on to do big things if not for team abandonment.

I just hate the "We cant find any feasible solution, so just deal with it" response. How about listening to the people entering your tournament Alex?? There are a # of things/ideas that can put into play that may not stop it but at the very least, it will reduce team abandonment.

 
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Da Gildz said:
How would that be any incentive for these jokers to field active lineups in weeks 10 and 11? These teams are already resigned to the fact, they're going to the toilet bowl, why bother trying to win now? Forget winning, how about even setting a legitimate lineup.

They would be incentivized to KEEP up their team with the waiver wire. Like the Championship round, they could average the first 11 weeks of their play and put it in the mix with weeks 12-16. That won't keep everyone playing, but it should get most.
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yumpinyoda said:
Da Gildz said:
How would that be any incentive for these jokers to field active lineups in weeks 10 and 11? These teams are already resigned to the fact, they're going to the toilet bowl, why bother trying to win now? Forget winning, how about even setting a legitimate lineup.

They would be incentivized to KEEP up their team with the waiver wire. Like the Championship round, they could average the first 11 weeks of their play and put it in the mix with weeks 12-16. That won't keep everyone playing, but it should get most.
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The "Toilet Bowl" doesn't work the same as the Champ Rds. Everyone starts off in week 12. The regular season doesn't factor into it. Most pts weeks 12-16 wins the Toilet Bowl so yea that wouldn't work.

 
Da Gildz said:
yumpinyoda said:
Da Gildz said:
How would that be any incentive for these jokers to field active lineups in weeks 10 and 11? These teams are already resigned to the fact, they're going to the toilet bowl, why bother trying to win now? Forget winning, how about even setting a legitimate lineup.

They would be incentivized to KEEP up their team with the waiver wire. Like the Championship round, they could average the first 11 weeks of their play and put it in the mix with weeks 12-16. That won't keep everyone playing, but it should get most.
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The "Toilet Bowl" doesn't work the same as the Champ Rds. Everyone starts off in week 12. The regular season doesn't factor into it. Most pts weeks 12-16 wins the Toilet Bowl so yea that wouldn't work.
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See if you can grasp this simple concept. CHANGE IT!

 
TwinTurbo said:
I agree with Alex on this issue. Taking a hands off position is probably the best approach towards owners who do not manage their lineups properly or who quit. Only in cases of collusion or cheating would a hands-on approach be warranted.

Look at this way. It's similar to a giant poker tournament where some players will donk off chips, play hands badly, and fold hands they shouldn't. Their individual play may affect the final outcome, but they paid for their seat and can play as badly as they want or not at all. They just can't cheat.

This game is all about the performance of NFL players but the other owners are also players in the game. And just like one of your players may go on IR or give up on a play and you have no control over it, another owner may give up and you have no control over it.

Flagging an owner for next year is an interesting idea but they could just change their email address and create a new account. It probably would not be very effective even if you did it by IP address. Also I would absolutely want to join those leagues.
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After being a high stakes player myself since 2002 and speaking to hundreds if not thousands of other players throughout the years, both before and after the creation of the FFPC, I can tell you that this is predominantly mainstream opinion. Not to say that other high stakes players advocate team abandonment/neglect but they understand that it's part of the game, is almost impossible to stop and in the end, having less active owners in your league is typically a good thing for the true diehards from a macro perspective. Even though it may hurt you in any one specific situation.

 
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Why would you absolutely want to join those leagues? It's completely random having these shlubs on your schedule 'late' in the season. The guy your chasing has just as good a chance to face that owner as well. No owner is giving up in the first 6 or 7 weeks. So I don't get why you'd prefer more randomness/luck involved when there already is a alot of luck already factored in. Myself, I'd prefer every owner submitting an active lineup throughout the yr just to respect the integrity of the league. That's wishful thinking I know. I picked up guys on 1 of my teams at 2-7, so I can field an active lineup. I realize that in doing that, I'm in the extreme minority in this tournament.
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I would definitely want to join leagues where other owners give up because it means there would be less competition to win the league and qualify for a playoff spot, regardless of the scheduling randomness. The chances that it would help are greater than the chances that it would hurt, especially since two of the playoff spots are awarded for most points. Having a decent team that misses out due to a bad beat by an inactive owner means that team wasn't one of the highest scoring in the league. So it's slightly less likely that team would have won it all anyway. And you can essentially still qualify for a "bad beat jackpot" with the Consolation round and Toilet Bowl.

I simply view the inactive owner risk as another random factor in scheduling luck, the same as facing an opponent with top players on a bye week or injured. The only way to mitigate some of that small risk is to enter multiple teams in the contest.

 
a guy started this lineup against me last week

QB Nick Foles, PHI CAR
45-21
Final 0.00

RB Alfred Morris, WAS BYE 0.00

RB Arian Foster, HOU BYE 0.00

WR Brandon LaFell, NE BYE 0.00

WR Miles Austin, CLE @CIN
24-3
Final 48 ReYds, 5 Rec 9.80

Flex Jerick McKinnon, MIN BYE 0.00

Flex Bobby Rainey, TB ATL
17-27
Final 14 RuYds, 42 ReYds, 4 Rec 9.60

TE Mychal Rivera, OAK DEN
17-41
Final 64 ReYds, 6 Rec, 1 ReTD (18) 21.40

PK Kai Forbath, WAS BYE 0.00 DST

WAS Team Defense, WAS BYE 0.00

 
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Da Gildz said:
This is likely my last year doing the FBG tournament. I'm currently 6-3 in 1 league fighting for that 3 seed. 1 of the teams I'm competing with for that coveted spot is facing a team with Luck on bye and nothing but Foles on the bench. Of course that team doesn't pick up another qb this week. Why would he. What's even more ridiculous, that team is 5-4 and still in contention for the 4 seed. The fact that u have to rely on other teams to even field an active lineup makes this tournament a joke frankly. With 4 teams making playoffs, it's really a disgrace. It's bad enough you get screwed by the schedule, u also have to deal with other owners getting free W's. This is a real problem this tournament presents every year. Not sure what the solution is, perhaps having commissioners enter a teams' last active lineup could be an option. Although you'd still have issues like the one I'm facing with this clown.

But If this is just something 'you just have to deal with', well, I'd rather not to be honest. Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me multiple times now.

Before I read the "Well if you were that good, you'd be the 2 or 4 seed at minimum". Not true. I'm in a few leagues that have several good teams in it. One league even has 6/12 teams that are 6-3 or better.

Just had to vent but yea I'm out next yr.
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I understand what everyone is saying about owners that just give up... I'm talking about a guy who was 1 game out of a tie for 1st with 2 weeks to go! He goes and takes a 0 @ QB playing against the guy in the #2 spot???? It stinks to high heaven IMO!!!

 
TwinTurbo said:
Da Gildz said:
Why would you absolutely want to join those leagues? It's completely random having these shlubs on your schedule 'late' in the season. The guy your chasing has just as good a chance to face that owner as well. No owner is giving up in the first 6 or 7 weeks. So I don't get why you'd prefer more randomness/luck involved when there already is a alot of luck already factored in. Myself, I'd prefer every owner submitting an active lineup throughout the yr just to respect the integrity of the league. That's wishful thinking I know. I picked up guys on 1 of my teams at 2-7, so I can field an active lineup. I realize that in doing that, I'm in the extreme minority in this tournament.
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I would definitely want to join leagues where other owners give up because it means there would be less competition to win the league and qualify for a playoff spot, regardless of the scheduling randomness. The chances that it would help are greater than the chances that it would hurt, especially since two of the playoff spots are awarded for most points. Having a decent team that misses out due to a bad beat by an inactive owner means that team wasn't one of the highest scoring in the league. So it's slightly less likely that team would have won it all anyway. And you can essentially still qualify for a "bad beat jackpot" with the Consolation round and Toilet Bowl.

I simply view the inactive owner risk as another random factor in scheduling luck, the same as facing an opponent with top players on a bye week or injured. The only way to mitigate some of that small risk is to enter multiple teams in the contest.
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Yea I agree with that last statement, the more teams you enter, the risk/luck factor will go down somewhat. Doesn't help the guys who enter ~ 3 teams in this thing and face this issue in 2 of them. I have 6 teams in this tournament and ive seen this issue in 3 of my leagues already and we haven't even played week 11. And another 1 of my teams will get eliminated due to it, a team is starting 3 guys on bye this week vs the team I'm contending with for the 3 seed. Its basically saying "here's your gift W, good luck in the playoffs!" Team abandonment continues to be a major issue in this tournament and if there are no controls/improvements put into place, which doesn't seem likely from reading Alex's posts, I'm out. Its just not for everyone I guess. Good luck to all here.

 
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a guy started this lineup against me last week

QB Nick Foles, PHI CAR

45-21

Final 0.00

RB Alfred Morris, WAS BYE 0.00

RB Arian Foster, HOU BYE 0.00

WR Brandon LaFell, NE BYE 0.00

WR Miles Austin, CLE @CIN

24-3

Final 48 ReYds, 5 Rec 9.80

Flex Jerick McKinnon, MIN BYE 0.00

Flex Bobby Rainey, TB ATL

17-27

Final 14 RuYds, 42 ReYds, 4 Rec 9.60

TE Mychal Rivera, OAK DEN

17-41

Final 64 ReYds, 6 Rec, 1 ReTD (18) 21.40

PK Kai Forbath, WAS BYE 0.00 DST

WAS Team Defense, WAS BYE 0.00
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I should be so lucky!

Did you win? :lol:

 
Da Gildz said:
TwinTurbo said:
Da Gildz said:
Why would you absolutely want to join those leagues? It's completely random having these shlubs on your schedule 'late' in the season. The guy your chasing has just as good a chance to face that owner as well. No owner is giving up in the first 6 or 7 weeks. So I don't get why you'd prefer more randomness/luck involved when there already is a alot of luck already factored in. Myself, I'd prefer every owner submitting an active lineup throughout the yr just to respect the integrity of the league. That's wishful thinking I know. I picked up guys on 1 of my teams at 2-7, so I can field an active lineup. I realize that in doing that, I'm in the extreme minority in this tournament.
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I would definitely want to join leagues where other owners give up because it means there would be less competition to win the league and qualify for a playoff spot, regardless of the scheduling randomness. The chances that it would help are greater than the chances that it would hurt, especially since two of the playoff spots are awarded for most points. Having a decent team that misses out due to a bad beat by an inactive owner means that team wasn't one of the highest scoring in the league. So it's slightly less likely that team would have won it all anyway. And you can essentially still qualify for a "bad beat jackpot" with the Consolation round and Toilet Bowl.

I simply view the inactive owner risk as another random factor in scheduling luck, the same as facing an opponent with top players on a bye week or injured. The only way to mitigate some of that small risk is to enter multiple teams in the contest.
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Yea I agree with that last statement, the more teams you enter, the risk/luck factor will go down somewhat. Doesn't help the guys who enter ~ 3 teams in this thing and face this issue in 2 of them. I have 6 teams in this tournament and ive seen this issue in 3 of my leagues already and we haven't even played week 11. And another 1 of my teams will get eliminated due to it, a team is starting 3 guys on bye this week vs the team I'm contending with for the 3 seed. Its basically saying "here's your gift W, good luck in the playoffs!" Team abandonment continues to be a major issue in this tournament and if there are no controls/improvements put into place, which doesn't seem likely from reading Alex's posts, I'm out. Its just not for everyone I guess. Good luck to all here.
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I understand that team abandonment can have a definitive effect on the outcome of league seeding and I am not downplaying your own personal concern with your team(s) but we do not consider this a "major" issue in the FPC and the numbers showing percentage of team abandonment prove that it isn't a major issue. As I have said a number of times in this thread, we would like to come up with a feasible solution to eliminate team abandonment but knowing everything that I know based on years of my experience in being a game operator, I would lieing if I told you that we will have this done from a technological aspect for 2015 season. The reality is, there is no viable solution at this time which solves the problem and doesn't create new ones with unintended consequences. WIth that said, if anyone feels this issue alone forces them to stop playing in our contests, there is little I can do. I do encourage that decision to take into consideration the totality of what we do here at the FFPC and taking that into account when considering quiting or switching to another league or contest.

 
Here's my solution for what it's worth.

Eliminate head to head matchups. This will eliminate problems with owners giving up, by not setting a valid lineup they would be only hurting themselves and helping the other 11 owners. The teams that score the most points would then be rewarded.

Make the regular season 12 weeks long. That way all players byes will be included.

The top 2 scoring teams in each league get a ticket to the Championship Rounds.

The top 4 scoring teams go into a one week league playoff to determine league prizes. Each of the 4 teams start with their average points from the first 12 weeks. This gives an advantage to the top teams. Most points in week 13 plus their 12 week average wins the league, 2nd most gets second. (Of course the alternative would be to make it a two week combined score plus reg season average. Either is fine).

The 3 and 4 seeds have to win their league to get into the Championship Rounds.

It's really that simple.

 
Alex - FFPC said:
Da Gildz said:
TwinTurbo said:
Da Gildz said:
Why would you absolutely want to join those leagues? It's completely random having these shlubs on your schedule 'late' in the season. The guy your chasing has just as good a chance to face that owner as well. No owner is giving up in the first 6 or 7 weeks. So I don't get why you'd prefer more randomness/luck involved when there already is a alot of luck already factored in. Myself, I'd prefer every owner submitting an active lineup throughout the yr just to respect the integrity of the league. That's wishful thinking I know. I picked up guys on 1 of my teams at 2-7, so I can field an active lineup. I realize that in doing that, I'm in the extreme minority in this tournament.
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I would definitely want to join leagues where other owners give up because it means there would be less competition to win the league and qualify for a playoff spot, regardless of the scheduling randomness. The chances that it would help are greater than the chances that it would hurt, especially since two of the playoff spots are awarded for most points. Having a decent team that misses out due to a bad beat by an inactive owner means that team wasn't one of the highest scoring in the league. So it's slightly less likely that team would have won it all anyway. And you can essentially still qualify for a "bad beat jackpot" with the Consolation round and Toilet Bowl.

I simply view the inactive owner risk as another random factor in scheduling luck, the same as facing an opponent with top players on a bye week or injured. The only way to mitigate some of that small risk is to enter multiple teams in the contest.
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Yea I agree with that last statement, the more teams you enter, the risk/luck factor will go down somewhat. Doesn't help the guys who enter ~ 3 teams in this thing and face this issue in 2 of them. I have 6 teams in this tournament and ive seen this issue in 3 of my leagues already and we haven't even played week 11. And another 1 of my teams will get eliminated due to it, a team is starting 3 guys on bye this week vs the team I'm contending with for the 3 seed. Its basically saying "here's your gift W, good luck in the playoffs!" Team abandonment continues to be a major issue in this tournament and if there are no controls/improvements put into place, which doesn't seem likely from reading Alex's posts, I'm out. Its just not for everyone I guess. Good luck to all here.
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I understand that team abandonment can have a definitive effect on the outcome of league seeding and I am not downplaying your own personal concern with your team(s) but we do not consider this a "major" issue in the FPC and the numbers showing percentage of team abandonment prove that it isn't a major issue. As I have said a number of times in this thread, we would like to come up with a feasible solution to eliminate team abandonment but knowing everything that I know based on years of my experience in being a game operator, I would lieing if I told you that we will have this done from a technological aspect for 2015 season. The reality is, there is no viable solution at this time which solves the problem and doesn't create new ones with unintended consequences. WIth that said, if anyone feels this issue alone forces them to stop playing in our contests, there is little I can do. I do encourage that decision to take into consideration the totality of what we do here at the FFPC and taking that into account when considering quiting or switching to another league or contest.
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Eh those #'s are meaningless. Its a skewed perspective entirely. Great only 1.1% of all teams had bye players in it. Now give me the % of teams who were 'IMPACTED' by that 1.1%. That is the # that truly matters here. There could be 3 or 4 teams chasing the team who's playing one of those 1.1% squads, now you have 4-5 teams impacted or a 1/3 of the league impacted by this 1 owner. You cant convince me that its not a major issue when I see it in just about every one of my leagues. Will it force many owners like myself out ? Probably not, they see that shiny 300k grand prize, they will just accept it for what its worth. Heck if you polled 50% of the owners in this thing, I bet they don't even know/understand all the rules in place. I've suggested multiple ideas as have others in this thread and yet u keep saying there is no viable solution. Do you just not listen to your owners here? I never said it will prevent it, it cant be prevented. However, there are definitely ways of reducing it or at the very least , attempting to reduce it which the FPC does none of. Sorry but that's my honest opinion.

 
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Da Gildz said:
Alex - FFPC said:
Da Gildz said:
TwinTurbo said:
Da Gildz said:
Why would you absolutely want to join those leagues? It's completely random having these shlubs on your schedule 'late' in the season. The guy your chasing has just as good a chance to face that owner as well. No owner is giving up in the first 6 or 7 weeks. So I don't get why you'd prefer more randomness/luck involved when there already is a alot of luck already factored in. Myself, I'd prefer every owner submitting an active lineup throughout the yr just to respect the integrity of the league. That's wishful thinking I know. I picked up guys on 1 of my teams at 2-7, so I can field an active lineup. I realize that in doing that, I'm in the extreme minority in this tournament.
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I would definitely want to join leagues where other owners give up because it means there would be less competition to win the league and qualify for a playoff spot, regardless of the scheduling randomness. The chances that it would help are greater than the chances that it would hurt, especially since two of the playoff spots are awarded for most points. Having a decent team that misses out due to a bad beat by an inactive owner means that team wasn't one of the highest scoring in the league. So it's slightly less likely that team would have won it all anyway. And you can essentially still qualify for a "bad beat jackpot" with the Consolation round and Toilet Bowl.

I simply view the inactive owner risk as another random factor in scheduling luck, the same as facing an opponent with top players on a bye week or injured. The only way to mitigate some of that small risk is to enter multiple teams in the contest.
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Yea I agree with that last statement, the more teams you enter, the risk/luck factor will go down somewhat. Doesn't help the guys who enter ~ 3 teams in this thing and face this issue in 2 of them. I have 6 teams in this tournament and ive seen this issue in 3 of my leagues already and we haven't even played week 11. And another 1 of my teams will get eliminated due to it, a team is starting 3 guys on bye this week vs the team I'm contending with for the 3 seed. Its basically saying "here's your gift W, good luck in the playoffs!" Team abandonment continues to be a major issue in this tournament and if there are no controls/improvements put into place, which doesn't seem likely from reading Alex's posts, I'm out. Its just not for everyone I guess. Good luck to all here.
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I understand that team abandonment can have a definitive effect on the outcome of league seeding and I am not downplaying your own personal concern with your team(s) but we do not consider this a "major" issue in the FPC and the numbers showing percentage of team abandonment prove that it isn't a major issue. As I have said a number of times in this thread, we would like to come up with a feasible solution to eliminate team abandonment but knowing everything that I know based on years of my experience in being a game operator, I would lieing if I told you that we will have this done from a technological aspect for 2015 season. The reality is, there is no viable solution at this time which solves the problem and doesn't create new ones with unintended consequences. WIth that said, if anyone feels this issue alone forces them to stop playing in our contests, there is little I can do. I do encourage that decision to take into consideration the totality of what we do here at the FFPC and taking that into account when considering quiting or switching to another league or contest.
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Eh those #'s are meaningless. Its a skewed perspective entirely. Great only 1.1% of all teams had bye players in it. Now give me the % of teams who were 'IMPACTED' by that 1.1%. That is the # that truly matters here. There could be 3 or 4 teams chasing the team who's playing one of those 1.1% squads, now you have 4-5 teams impacted or a 1/3 of the league impacted by this 1 owner. You cant convince me that its not a major issue when I see it in just about every one of my leagues. Will it force many owners like myself out ? Probably not, they see that shiny 300k grand prize, they will just accept it for what its worth. Heck if you polled 50% of the owners in this thing, I bet they don't even know/understand all the rules in place. I've suggested multiple ideas as have others in this thread and yet u keep saying there is no viable solution. Do you just not listen to your owners here? I never said it will prevent it, it cant be prevented. However, there are definitely ways of reducing it or at the very least , attempting to reduce it which the FPC does none of. Sorry but that's my honest opinion.
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I have no problem with your take on it. You're directly impacted so you have an emotional investment in your opinions and I get it. I am giving you our position while taking all things into consideration, which is something that we have to do as a game oprerator. In either case, good luck the rest of the way this year and regardless of what you decide in 2015 and beyond, we always appreciate your support and wish you all the best.

 
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Patrick the Pirate said:
Here's my solution for what it's worth.

Eliminate head to head matchups. This will eliminate problems with owners giving up, by not setting a valid lineup they would be only hurting themselves and helping the other 11 owners. The teams that score the most points would then be rewarded.

Make the regular season 12 weeks long. That way all players byes will be included.

The top 2 scoring teams in each league get a ticket to the Championship Rounds.

The top 4 scoring teams go into a one week league playoff to determine league prizes. Each of the 4 teams start with their average points from the first 12 weeks. This gives an advantage to the top teams. Most points in week 13 plus their 12 week average wins the league, 2nd most gets second. (Of course the alternative would be to make it a two week combined score plus reg season average. Either is fine).

The 3 and 4 seeds have to win their league to get into the Championship Rounds.

It's really that simple.
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The part in red gave me a good chuckle. ;)

 
Alex - FFPC said:
Patrick the Pirate said:
Here's my solution for what it's worth.

Eliminate head to head matchups. This will eliminate problems with owners giving up, by not setting a valid lineup they would be only hurting themselves and helping the other 11 owners. The teams that score the most points would then be rewarded.

Make the regular season 12 weeks long. That way all players byes will be included.

The top 2 scoring teams in each league get a ticket to the Championship Rounds.

The top 4 scoring teams go into a one week league playoff to determine league prizes. Each of the 4 teams start with their average points from the first 12 weeks. This gives an advantage to the top teams. Most points in week 13 plus their 12 week average wins the league, 2nd most gets second. (Of course the alternative would be to make it a two week combined score plus reg season average. Either is fine).

The 3 and 4 seeds have to win their league to get into the Championship Rounds.

It's really that simple.
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The part in red gave me a good chuckle. ;)
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Are you suggesting that it's not that simple?

Your main complaints here have to be someone didn't set their lineup and the other guys team is in the playoffs and I'm out even though I scored X more points than him.

What complaints would you have if it was totally based on points scored?

Really what does the H2H accomplish other than rewarding weaker teams?

 
Patrick the Pirate said:
Alex - FFPC said:
Patrick the Pirate said:
Here's my solution for what it's worth.

Eliminate head to head matchups. This will eliminate problems with owners giving up, by not setting a valid lineup they would be only hurting themselves and helping the other 11 owners. The teams that score the most points would then be rewarded.

Make the regular season 12 weeks long. That way all players byes will be included.

The top 2 scoring teams in each league get a ticket to the Championship Rounds.

The top 4 scoring teams go into a one week league playoff to determine league prizes. Each of the 4 teams start with their average points from the first 12 weeks. This gives an advantage to the top teams. Most points in week 13 plus their 12 week average wins the league, 2nd most gets second. (Of course the alternative would be to make it a two week combined score plus reg season average. Either is fine).

The 3 and 4 seeds have to win their league to get into the Championship Rounds.

It's really that simple.
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The part in red gave me a good chuckle. ;)
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Are you suggesting that it's not that simple?

Your main complaints here have to be someone didn't set their lineup and the other guys team is in the playoffs and I'm out even though I scored X more points than him.

What complaints would you have if it was totally based on points scored?

Really what does the H2H accomplish other than rewarding weaker teams?
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There is nothing simple in dismanteling the entire game format of a 7000+ team contest which has been sucessfully in place for 5 years. I thought it was funny but I guess I can see how it may not be for all. Sorry about that.

In either case, to seriously address your post: changing the game format is not on the table.

 
Alex - FFPC said:
Patrick the Pirate said:
Alex - FFPC said:
Patrick the Pirate said:
Here's my solution for what it's worth.

Eliminate head to head matchups. This will eliminate problems with owners giving up, by not setting a valid lineup they would be only hurting themselves and helping the other 11 owners. The teams that score the most points would then be rewarded.

Make the regular season 12 weeks long. That way all players byes will be included.

The top 2 scoring teams in each league get a ticket to the Championship Rounds.

The top 4 scoring teams go into a one week league playoff to determine league prizes. Each of the 4 teams start with their average points from the first 12 weeks. This gives an advantage to the top teams. Most points in week 13 plus their 12 week average wins the league, 2nd most gets second. (Of course the alternative would be to make it a two week combined score plus reg season average. Either is fine).

The 3 and 4 seeds have to win their league to get into the Championship Rounds.

It's really that simple.
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The part in red gave me a good chuckle. ;)
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Are you suggesting that it's not that simple?

Your main complaints here have to be someone didn't set their lineup and the other guys team is in the playoffs and I'm out even though I scored X more points than him.

What complaints would you have if it was totally based on points scored?

Really what does the H2H accomplish other than rewarding weaker teams?
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There is nothing simple in dismanteling the entire game format of a 7000+ team contest which has been sucessfully in place for 5 years. I thought it was funny but I guess I can see how it may not be for all. Sorry about that.

In either case, to seriously address your post: changing the game format is not on the table.
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Understood. You are operating a business and while this business is growing you would be silly to change it.

Would you consider adding an additional contest? Call it FPC Points. Obviously it would have to start off small. Cap it at 50 leagues or something and have the prizes based on that amount of entries.

And then just see what happens. Maybe it grows bigger than this one. Maybe it dies out after 1 year.

 
Patrick the Pirate said:
Understood. You are operating a business and while this business is growing you would be silly to change it.

Would you consider adding an additional contest? Call it FPC Points. Obviously it would have to start off small. Cap it at 50 leagues or something and have the prizes based on that amount of entries.

And then just see what happens. Maybe it grows bigger than this one. Maybe it dies out after 1 year.
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I don't see us starting another contest which could cannibalize customers from the FPC.

 
Alex - FFPC said:
Patrick the Pirate said:
Understood. You are operating a business and while this business is growing you would be silly to change it.

Would you consider adding an additional contest? Call it FPC Points. Obviously it would have to start off small. Cap it at 50 leagues or something and have the prizes based on that amount of entries.

And then just see what happens. Maybe it grows bigger than this one. Maybe it dies out after 1 year.
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I don't see us starting another contest which could cannibalize customers from the FPC.
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Alex, Why wouldn't you be open to change if it made for a better environment for all the owner/players? POINTS is a far better solution to determine winners than is the Head to Head scheduling with all of its problems, especially with dead-beat owners. Then, raise the Toilet Bowl prizes to KEEP the losers INVOLVED!

Keep your 7,000 plus customers ALIVE and ENGAGED!

Geez!

 
Captain Hook said:
Patrick the Pirate said:
Would you consider adding an additional contest?
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WHY don't you start your own contest?

I mean you have the plan right there - Go see how it goes
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I live in Canada. Not sure if it's legal here to operate a contest like this. Pretty sure no one from the USA would enter so I would be dealing with a very small market.

I have no $ (spent it all on FPC). It would take a large capital investment to start a contest like this from scratch.

I'm not a business person, I'm not a good communicator, and I'm not very good with computers.

I have three kids under the age of 6 so I don't want to travel. And I like to spend time with my kids so I don't want to put in long hours.

Plus, IMO it wouldn't be fair to the FPC since I would be taking their idea and just tweaking it.

 
The problem exists in H2H and is difficult to fix unless you go away from that.

Some believe that anything other than H2H loses some of the fun because you don't experience the personal challenge or satisfaction you get from playing against a specific opponent. Personally, with these big contests, I don't agree since it doesn't feel very personal when drafting against 11 owners I've never met and were randomly put together in a league.

Having the Commish set the line up for an abandoned team doesn't appeal to me since the abandonment isn't always obvious right away. Maybe this week he has 3 guys on a bye in his lineup so it's easy to see. What about a week or 2 before when he didn't bother to play the optimal match ups and only lost by 3 points. Does the Commish need to go back in time and fix those line ups? Can you even guarantee that you can always determine when the owner stopped actively managing his team. If you like this idea, I'd say just play in a draft expert league.

If I were start a league, I'd do All Play & Auction. However, I don't feel the need to set up, recruit owners and commish my own league. I like the fantasy of winning a big contest prize. So, I'm happy to pay someone else to take care of those chores for me and I'll accept the risk that team abandonment might impact me. Everyone is free to play in the type of league they like, but it's probably impossible at this point to make significant changes to the FFPC or FPC contests.

 
Yea I'd have to look at other tournaments and see their rules. I'm sure they all operate the same for the most part. As for Commish setting a lineup, it would only be for 'BYE' guys. Obviously you cant do anything about matchups, if the guy is active and playing, that's all you can hope for. But you can do something like the last 'active' player this owner played on the bench gets inserted into that 'bye' spot. If there are no 'active' guys on his bench, then nothing can be done. Don't think this is that radical really.

What about my 1 idea where u just contact the FPC to send a 'courtesy' email to the owner? No controls/software need to be in place. I'm not sure how that process would be a difficult one. Owners have no recourse and must sit and watch this misery go down, it would be nice to have some kind of communication with the owner in question. Even if it is through the FFPC doing the communicating. If its just 1.1% of owners abandoning teams, then this process shouldn't be that big of an undertaking.

And on a side note, I wasn't aware Defenses get charged for pts when they're not on the field. That seems crazy to me. I get the Special teams scoring but if Orton gets flagged for a penalty in the endzone resulting in a safety, the Bills Defense then gets shafted? This is pretty bad..I'm curious why this is in play even. Would seem to be an easy distinction to make. I know RT offers that option of only pts scored against the def/ST, we use it in my home league...

 
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What about my 1 idea where u just contact the FPC to send a 'courtesy' email to the owner? No controls/software need to be in place. I'm not sure how that process would be a difficult one. Owners have no recourse and must sit and watch this misery go down, it would be nice to have some kind of communication with the owner in question. Even if it is through the FFPC doing the communicating. If its just 1.1% of owners abandoning teams, then this process shouldn't be that big of an undertaking.

Since they've already incorporated programming that puts an alert on your "My Teams" page to let you know that you have an open slot or a bye week player in the starting line up. I wonder what it would take to use some auto-mailer that runs at some predetermined schedule. I'll bet some owners would welcome that feature, especially if they own a bunch of teams as they could have missed one when going through their line ups, or as one who is getting older, suffer from CRS.

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Da Gildz said:
Yea I'd have to look at other tournaments and see their rules. I'm sure they all operate the same for the most part. As for Commish setting a lineup, it would only be for 'BYE' guys. Obviously you cant do anything about matchups, if the guy is active and playing, that's all you can hope for. But you can do something like the last 'active' player this owner played on the bench gets inserted into that 'bye' spot. If there are no 'active' guys on his bench, then nothing can be done. Don't think this is that radical really.

What about my 1 idea where u just contact the FPC to send a 'courtesy' email to the owner? No controls/software need to be in place. I'm not sure how that process would be a difficult one. Owners have no recourse and must sit and watch this misery go down, it would be nice to have some kind of communication with the owner in question. Even if it is through the FFPC doing the communicating. If its just 1.1% of owners abandoning teams, then this process shouldn't be that big of an undertaking.

And on a side note, I wasn't aware Defenses get charged for pts when they're not on the field. That seems crazy to me. I get the Special teams scoring but if Orton gets flagged for a penalty in the endzone resulting in a safety, the Bills Defense then gets shafted? This is pretty bad..I'm curious why this is in play even. Would seem to be an easy distinction to make. I know RT offers that option of only pts scored against the def/ST, we use it in my home league...
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Don't worry about it bro....you said you are done after this year. :topcat:

 
^Likely done I said. Will visit a competitor tourney to see where they stand in comparison, I'd imagine pretty close. And here it is right off the #### 'rules'...

Weekly Lineups

The Contest uses a single starting lineup for each team per week. Team owners may change their starting lineups any time between Tuesday morning at 7:00am Eastern and 9:00pm Eastern on Monday of each NFL week. In week 1 of the NFL season, owners may set their starting lineup beginning immediately after their draft up until 9:00pm Eastern on Monday of week 1. Regardless of the deadline for setting a team's starting lineup a player cannot be promoted to a starter or benched after the scheduled kickoff of that individual player's game. Owners are not required to have a minimum number of starters at any position on their lineup.

Each Team's starting lineup will consist of a maximum of:

  • 10 Total Starters
  • 1 Quarterback
  • 2 Running Backs
  • 2 Wide Receivers
  • 1 Tight End
  • 2 Flex Running Back / Wide Reciever / Tight End
  • 1 Defense/Special Teams
  • 1 Kicker
In the interest of competition, between 12:01am and 6:00am on each Sunday and Thursday of the regular season the system will automatically replace any starter with a bye or any player that has an injury status of "out", or equivalent (on I/R, suspended, military leave, etc.) on a roster with bench player from that same roster. At the same time, the system will automatically fill in any missing starters from a team's lineup, if possible.

Oh and they also have this right which I've complained about the seeding/tiebreakers here.

  • #1 Seed - Team scoring the most points during the regular season.
  • #2 Seed - Remaining team with the best win/loss record during the regular season.
  • #3 Seed - Remaining team with the most points scored during the regular season.
  • #4 Seed - Remaining team with the best win/loss record during the regular season.
### has this on point. Under this system, the best team in the league is the 1 seed and CANNOT play the 2nd best team scoring wise under any circumstance.

See I'm not crazy I guess.

Everything else is virtually identical.

### is for me apparently. GL again to all, Alex I really hope you and the FFPC guys consider these changes, its for the betterment of the tournament and players involved.

Thanks again

-Da Gildz

###- to respect the FFPC, I left out the name. Anyone interested in this can PM me

Thx

 
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^just because you find one that does it the way you want doesn't make it right.
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So you prefer the 2 highest scoring teams being able to play each other week 1 of playoffs over that system? I doubt that. And I doubt many would actually. And sorry captain for expressing my opinion. I'll leave it at that.

 
Da Gildz said:
^Likely done I said. Will visit a competitor tourney to see where they stand in comparison, I'd imagine pretty close. And here it is right off the #### 'rules'...

Weekly Lineups

The Contest uses a single starting lineup for each team per week. Team owners may change their starting lineups any time between Tuesday morning at 7:00am Eastern and 9:00pm Eastern on Monday of each NFL week. In week 1 of the NFL season, owners may set their starting lineup beginning immediately after their draft up until 9:00pm Eastern on Monday of week 1. Regardless of the deadline for setting a team's starting lineup a player cannot be promoted to a starter or benched after the scheduled kickoff of that individual player's game. Owners are not required to have a minimum number of starters at any position on their lineup.

Each Team's starting lineup will consist of a maximum of:

  • 10 Total Starters
  • 1 Quarterback
  • 2 Running Backs
  • 2 Wide Receivers
  • 1 Tight End
  • 2 Flex Running Back / Wide Reciever / Tight End
  • 1 Defense/Special Teams
  • 1 Kicker
In the interest of competition, between 12:01am and 6:00am on each Sunday and Thursday of the regular season the system will automatically replace any starter with a bye or any player that has an injury status of "out", or equivalent (on I/R, suspended, military leave, etc.) on a roster with bench player from that same roster. At the same time, the system will automatically fill in any missing starters from a team's lineup, if possible.Oh and they also have this right which I've complained about the seeding/tiebreakers here.

  • #1 Seed - Team scoring the most points during the regular season.
  • #2 Seed - Remaining team with the best win/loss record during the regular season.
  • #3 Seed - Remaining team with the most points scored during the regular season.
  • #4 Seed - Remaining team with the best win/loss record during the regular season.
### has this on point. Under this system, the best team in the league is the 1 seed and CANNOT play the 2nd best team scoring wise under any circumstance.

See I'm not crazy I guess.

Everything else is virtually identical.

### is for me apparently. GL again to all, Alex I really hope you and the FFPC guys consider these changes, its for the betterment of the tournament and players involved.

Thanks again

-Da Gildz

###- to respect the FFPC, I left out the name. Anyone interested in this can PM me

Thx
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We briefly considered this program two years ago and ruled it out due to a number of issues we were not satisfied with. We much rather have the hands off policy vs this system.

Anyway, I think it's time to end this discussion, at least for me. I think I've addressed our position as much as I could. I understand that not everyone will agree - that's the nature of fantasy football - but no reason to beat a dead horse.

 
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