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T with T
Footballguy
RIP to gronk... gonna be out for the season, possibly longer. should have just let inj heal on it's own and he would have been playing by week 1... Now he has a plate in his fore arm that is causing absess, infection and no bone mass to grow near it... He will be as usefull as a tin man and a can of gas.. At least I only wasted a 9th round pick on him.
T with T
Footballguy
I hope your right although this situation get's worse by the day.. I could see IR coming soon fellas.
Is this your opinion or did you get this from someplace? I have not seen anything saying this.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Thinking rationally and being in their shoes, it's possible the idea was or is that it was worth it to use the roster spot just in the event he might be ready. That's still the case. But maybe they did not know how the healing would go, maybe that's still true. They also might have been relying on advice from their doctors, and sure enough in their opinion he's ready to go. Maybe the problem is they weren't counting on an Andrews to weigh in (and I guess we still don't know how or if he has) or that Gronk might have a certain level of distrust.
All speculation.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
FF perspective, dynasty or redraft, maybe it drags on, maybe people get frustrated or believe he's done, drop him, and then he becomes active week 10 or 11? He could fall into some folks' laps?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I think hes just reading the tea leaves; but what we know is that the Team Drs think hes good to go while Andrews comes in, looks at the arm and has not cleared the player. One has to wonder what Andrews' is waiting for and its totally possible he could recommend a re-do of the plate.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I recently dealt for Gates in my PPR keeper and the deadline for me is Gates' bye. If he's not back by then I'm selling for thirty cents on the dollar. Maybe for a 4th or 5th round pick or a DST.
Gopher State
Footballguy
As a Gronk owner I give him one more week, if he doesn't play it's time to cut bait, the season is going by fast
Rob Gronkowski’s return to the playing field remains uncertain.
It was reported by ESPN on Friday that the Pro Bowl tight end still has not been cleared to play by Dr. James Andrews. Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, has been named by the team and Gronkowski as an independent physician responsible for determining whether he is cleared to play.
A source also told ESPN’s Adam Schefter that Dr. Jesse Jupiter has not cleared Gronkowski to play either. Jupiter performed the latest surgery on Gronkowski’s forearm.
According to a report Friday on WEEI, Gronkowski’s camp has “serious concern” over the way Patriots team doctor Thomas Gill handled the forearm surgery. Gronkowski initially broke the bone last Nov. 18 against the Colts, and instead of letting the bone heal naturally, he and Gill decided to speed up the healing process by implanting a device in the forearm.
Gronkowski returned to the field at the end of December, but broke the bone again in January, and had three more surgeries. According to the WEEI report, Gronkowski’s camp has concerns about the integrity of the bone where the implement was placed and the surrounding nerves, and that the infection may have been avoided if the bone had healed on its own.
It was reported by ESPN on Friday that the Pro Bowl tight end still has not been cleared to play by Dr. James Andrews. Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, has been named by the team and Gronkowski as an independent physician responsible for determining whether he is cleared to play.
A source also told ESPN’s Adam Schefter that Dr. Jesse Jupiter has not cleared Gronkowski to play either. Jupiter performed the latest surgery on Gronkowski’s forearm.
According to a report Friday on WEEI, Gronkowski’s camp has “serious concern” over the way Patriots team doctor Thomas Gill handled the forearm surgery. Gronkowski initially broke the bone last Nov. 18 against the Colts, and instead of letting the bone heal naturally, he and Gill decided to speed up the healing process by implanting a device in the forearm.
Gronkowski returned to the field at the end of December, but broke the bone again in January, and had three more surgeries. According to the WEEI report, Gronkowski’s camp has concerns about the integrity of the bone where the implement was placed and the surrounding nerves, and that the infection may have been avoided if the bone had healed on its own.
Did you read/hear this somewhere, or is this your interpretation of the recent (non) news? If you read it somewhere, please share the link; I'd kill to get some real news about this situation.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am going based on what the Patriots always seem to do, but yes it is speculation on my part too. They always have gone with the team is greater then all. The Patriots always seem to roll with just 2 quarterbacks to open up a roster spot. It just seems like if their doctors said he would need until week 7 to heal up and be ready for the season the Pats would have put him on PUP.
Do we know that this happened? I've been looking, A LOT, at this situation, and I've read nothing that actually says Andrews has looked at Gronks are, or even just X-rays/MRIs. All I've read is that Gronk's agent wants Andrews to give clearance, and in the last few days, I've read that Andrews has not cleared him yet. But nothing says Andrews has said his arm isn't good to go. If he had already looked at Gronk's arm, don't you think we'd have seen at least one report that says "Dr. Andrews says Gronk's arm isn't ready?" We haven't seen that, just "Andrews hasn't cleared him."
I'm not saying that Andrews hasn't looked at Gronk, just that I can't find any evidence that he has. We all are assuming he looked at him and said "Your arm is jacked up," but why wouldn't we have SOMEONE reporting that, instead of "Gronk not cleared yet?"
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I was just Googling trying to find this same thing. A couple of places have written that Andrews "has not cleared" Gronkowski to play. I've yet to read anything that actually says that they saw each other, or that Andrews reviewed an X-ray or something. That seems extremely odd.
Breaking News: PatsWillWin of the FBG messageboard has not cleared Gronkowski to play. Of course nobody would ever ask him that, but still - hasn't cleared him!
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The bottom line:
Nobody outside of The NE Patriots knows anything. It is all speculation. The only concrete info we are going to find out will either be on game days when he is declared inactive/active or if the worst happens and he lands on IR. I just hope he is active sooner then later.
You suck BB!
Nobody outside of The NE Patriots knows anything. It is all speculation. The only concrete info we are going to find out will either be on game days when he is declared inactive/active or if the worst happens and he lands on IR. I just hope he is active sooner then later.
You suck BB!
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Fair enough, but wouldn't it be more odd if Gronk is going to sit out another week because the Pats wouldn't spring $300 for a plane ticket for him to go see Dr. Andrews? If it's just a matter of seeing him, what's taking so long? This isn't your average joe trying to call in for an appointment.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
That would certainly be odd too, although maybe Gronk has to go see Andrews on his own since it's not a team doctor or something, I don't know.
I'm not saying Andrews hasn't looked at an x-ray or something, I just find the wording on all of the reporting oddly vague. If the Patriots doctors have examined him and cleared him, and Andrews has examined him and not cleared him, that seems like a pretty significant story. But all we have is just a paragraph in an ESPN blog saying he hasn't been cleared.
And here's the Globe:
So Andrews hasn't cleared Gronkowski, but will not likely be the one to do so because he's not an expert in this injury. But Gronkowski's agent uses him for second opinions, so....?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
So....when's he hitting IR?
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GreenNGold
Footballguy
At this point we are going to be lucky if he even plays this year. I drafted him early and have been holding out hope, but I also drafted him based on the idea he would be playing by week 3. He is dead weight taking up a roster spot if this situation doesn't change soon.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
ShockTheMonkey
Footballguy
Only thing wrong with that logic is the part where you said that they would have put him on the pup if he wouldn't be ready by week 6. Sort of makes it pointless to claim that he WILL play this year because they haven't put him on IR yet.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yeah, I think everyone knew this surgery is usually performed by doctors. That doesn't mean he's seen his arm now, which is the whole question.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
It also assumes that the Patriots can see the future, which of course they can't. If their medical staff said 50% chance he's back by week 3, do you put him on PUP then? I think not. They were dealing with percentages, and it looks like they lost.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That is my guess, the Patriots medical staff said something like this "you have about a 40 percent chance he will be back around week 2, 70 percent chance he would back by week 4 and 90 percent chance by week 6 if he has no set backs" They gambled and it does look like they lost. I still doubt he is out all year, I have a hard time believing the medical staff was that far off, unless he had a set back we haven't heard about.
Again, you don't know this.
The Patriots aren't the ones who want/need Andrews to clear Gronk. From what I've read, that came from his side (from his agent, according to what I've read). Maybe Andrews wasn't able to drop everything to go to NE to see him on such short notice. Maybe he was not willing to make that determination just from looking at an X-ray/MRI. And maybe he flew to NE, looked at Gronk and didn't clear him. All are possible, but you are sure it's the 3rd possibility, even there is nothing, ANYWHERE, that definitively says this.
Excellent question, and you could be 100% right. I find it odd, that no reporter has said "Dr. Andrews saw Gronk and said, you can't play." If that has already happened, you know someone would break that story.
Look at what YOU bolded. All that says is that Andrews consulted on the LAST surgery, from months ago. Not that he's seen him in the last week or so.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
As an aside, I've take him out of all of my lineups and in no way expect him to play this week, I just find the whole story odd.
Obviously this situation didn't go as well as many hoped. However, we have many people (in this thread, at news/FF sites, and even reporters themselves) GUESSING about what's going on. I will reiterate, if ANY reporter KNEW that Andrews had said "Gronk's arm isn't good enough for him to play," they would be reporting that, and it would be everywhere. All we are seeing is "Andrews hasn't cleared him." That does not mean Andrews said he can't play. Is it possible that Andrews has seen Gronk, and said "you can't play," and no one found out? Sure, but I find that unlikely. Why are there no reports of Andrews flying to NE? Or of Gronk flying to see Andrews? We get reports that he was able to successfully pick his nose 
with the injured forearm, why wouldn't those reports be out there?
with the injured forearm, why wouldn't those reports be out there?same here. I don't think he plays, but the lack of real info the last few days is weird.
Slugg
Footballguy
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Based on this article, I'd be very surprised to see Gronk anytime soon. If he's not getting cleared now, I doubt a couple of weeks make a difference I bet he's back week 12 or 13 at the earliest. Of course, like everyone else in this thread, I am just completely guessing. The news just seems to get worse by the day though. I think that's something we can all agree on.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Traded him earlier this week on one team for aaron rodgers, yay!
Unfortunately still sitting on him in another.
I think every single one of us regrets taking Gronk at this point. It just looks worse and worse. Plus BB has to be furious since the pats med staff has cleared him and he won't return until he is cleared by an independent 3rd party. & honestly who the F really knows what is going on?
The pats are the worst team ever with injury info.
We only have two real solid pieces of evidence:
1) he wasn't on PUP, which means the Pats anticipated he'd be back by week 6 the latest.
2) he has been practicing for almost a month. All reports I have read over the last month would indicate that he looks more game ready by the week.
With this being the only "real info" we all have, I'd say & I think we can all agree, that if he isn't active tomm (& it appears he won't be), he won't be playing anytime soon. This isn't just going to be cleared Wednesday or Thurs if it hasn't healed over the last 5/6 months already. ####!!!!!
Last note, he is listed as questionable bc of his back... Why isn't he on the injury report bc of his arm? BB just being a ####?
Unfortunately still sitting on him in another.
I think every single one of us regrets taking Gronk at this point. It just looks worse and worse. Plus BB has to be furious since the pats med staff has cleared him and he won't return until he is cleared by an independent 3rd party. & honestly who the F really knows what is going on?
The pats are the worst team ever with injury info.
We only have two real solid pieces of evidence:
1) he wasn't on PUP, which means the Pats anticipated he'd be back by week 6 the latest.
2) he has been practicing for almost a month. All reports I have read over the last month would indicate that he looks more game ready by the week.
With this being the only "real info" we all have, I'd say & I think we can all agree, that if he isn't active tomm (& it appears he won't be), he won't be playing anytime soon. This isn't just going to be cleared Wednesday or Thurs if it hasn't healed over the last 5/6 months already. ####!!!!!
Last note, he is listed as questionable bc of his back... Why isn't he on the injury report bc of his arm? BB just being a ####?
jabarony
Footballguy
What am I missing here - he's medically cleared to play, but refuses to play. Isn't that some sort of breach of contract? I know it's a gray area as it's only a few weeks difference right now, but, hypothetically, what if he's "uncomfortable" at week 10? Week 14? Playoffs? Next September?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Soaring Eagle
Footballguy
Anyone have a feeling this that he will play and this is meant to catch the saints off guard???
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Slugg
Footballguy
if that was the plan they would have released Andrews recommendation to sit much earlier than Saturday night, 12 hours before the teams start to suit up
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I think the next thing we need to look out for is whether or not Gronk practices fully next week. If he stops practicing fully, then we can infer that this advice from Anderson is a game-changer.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Honestly---and I know this is not an exactly parallel situation--but I see a little of the RG3 saga here. You have a situation where Shanahan (in hindsight) left his star player in a game too long--and it ended up in a catastrophic injury. In this case--you have a scenario where it looks as though the Pats surgeon recommended and performed a surgery that really jeopardized the future of Gronks career--for the sake of "winning now". This certainly does not look good for the Pats--especially when one takes into account recent "win" now decisions they have made. Spygate was a black eye for the organization, then ochocinco, then aaron hernandez, then they get aqib talib--who is playing well--but has a major history of off the field issues. The Patriots have had this halo or reputation of being known as a class organization to most NFL fans--but this could seriously change if Gronk comes back--and his career is shortened by horribly misguided advice from the Pats medical crew. Maybe I'm reading too much into this--but it's really starting to sound like most decent doctors outside of the Pats organization want to have nothing to do with signing Gronk off to play. If Gronk comes back and does hurt himself once again--I think the Patriots reputation will take yet another huge hit---and I'm not sure if they can handle another hit. The fan base is already mad they let welker go on top of that. Really, there are multiple dynamics going here. You have the reputation of a franchise and their medical crew at stake, you have the competitiveness Pats coming into play--they certainly can use his services on the field--and you have the potential for liability issues at play (if gronk comes back and gets hurt to where his career is effected--could he file a claim against the Pats?). The entire situation is a giant cluster and I am guessing there is a lot more going on than just a forearm. There is probably some major risk management and assessment going on from both sides before any decision will be made.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Well then. Hard to see how we get from here to Gronk playing anytime soon. It's been four+ months since the arm surgery IIRC -- so you'd have to think we're looking at additional months rather than additional weeks. Nothing would surprise me now, including a trip to IR.
Thanks for the link.
This still seems odd. This news just comes out at 11pm on a Saturday? But there's no explanation to it? Why can't he play?
The pats Drs cleared him, but he doesn't play, at what point does he start incurring the wrath of BB and the anger/resentment of his teammates? Obviously he's doing what is right for him and his health, but in a sport where players are taught to hide concussions and play with pain, doesn't this cause some negative backlash?
identikit
Footballguy
per Ed Werder of ESPN:
@Edwerderespn
Just filed to ESPN that Gronk won't play again and teammates can't reconcile what he does in practice with inability to go on game day.
@Edwerderespn
Players have begun to question Gronk directly and he's becoming more uncomfortable as tension builds.
@Edwerderespn
Just filed to ESPN that Gronk won't play again and teammates can't reconcile what he does in practice with inability to go on game day.
@Edwerderespn
Players have begun to question Gronk directly and he's becoming more uncomfortable as tension builds.
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