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Ray Rice APPEALS suspension (1 Viewer)
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I wonder which team would have the balls to sign him.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think he has a good case. The nfl screwed the pooch on this one. Ray Rice may be a low life, but he does seem to be suffering the result of politics as the nfl was embarassed and tried to save face with a second suspension
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
According to their own brand new policy a player in these circumstances is supposed to get 6 games. It was never explained to my satisfaction why this was disregarded and it went from two to the whole year.
He was cut? I thought he was only deactivated.
Never mind me, I was confusing the scandals.
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Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'm quite sure lying to the commish during an investigation warrants something, don't you?
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I can't see any team signing him.
Reference/citation to what you are referring to, both the lying and the rule regarding the resultant punishment?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah seems like textbook double-jeopardy argument to me. Especially if there's a record that he told Goodell the truth in their meetings (which I expect he did since Goodell has very carefully danced around that question and never said he was mislead). I scooped him off the WW in a half-dozen dynos because it seemed like this was pretty likely.
It would still require a team to pick him up, but someone will need a RB soon enough.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I honestly think it is more likely that he was completely honest, and commish is the liar here.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Do you really need someone to do this? You go into the office and lie to the boss, there are going to be consequences.
How so? Double Jeopardy is a protection from being charged by the government with the same criminal offence twice. That has nothing to do with banning a player from playing in a league.
Zow
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Limp Ditka
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Because there's a DJ clause in the CBA.
Under Article 46, Section 4 of the collective bargaining agreement governing 'One Penalty,' it states that, "The Commissioner and a Club will not both discipline a player for the same act or conduct. The Commissioner’s disciplinary action will preclude or supersede disciplinary action by any Club for the same act or conduct."
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-sources-ray-rice-nflpa-contemplating-legal-grievance-options-20140914,0,905928.story#ixzz3DL6nkW5I
Limp Ditka
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"This video shows a starkly different sequence of events from what you and your representatives stated when we met on June 16, and is important new information that warrants reconsideration of the discipline imposed on you in July," Goodell wrote in the letter."Based on this new information, I have concluded that the discipline imposed upon you in July was insufficient under all the circumstances and have determined instead to impose an indefinite suspension."
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-sources-ray-rice-nflpa-contemplating-legal-grievance-options-20140914,0,905928.story#ixzz3DL6yHw9H
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Goodell claims the video shows a starkly different sequence of events from what Rice had claimed.
However, Goodell did not list the specific discrepancies in Rice's story.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
As much as I think Ray Rice should get the Sonny Corleone treatment, the league absolutely mishandled this and I'd think his appeal has a very high probability of success.
joffer
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
This is what opens the door for Rice to appeal. Terribly worded and doesn't differentiate the fact that he's getting extra time solely for lying about what happened, which influenced the original punishment.
Odd are, because of this, he wins his appeal.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
You could have saved some trouble and pointed that out several posts ago. That being said the changing the penalty handed out is not the same as the commish and the club disciplining a player. I don't see how that clause applies.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The point being, if he sat for a year and got reinstated or if he was cut and no one signed him for a year there would be no financial difference. He has no way to proove that he is out game checks, as he had no contract and no salary to base it off of.
I agree that he has a case of getting his indefinite suspention overturned, but I don't see him being able to recoup any money (unless he gets some sort of penalty on the league money).
billjohnson
Footballguy
Once the Ravens cut Rice, he was no longer considered a player in the NFL...hence, the NFL didn't have to follow any of their agreements with NFLPA.
Obviously, this sure smells funny...and while this is just my opinion (no proof), I've been under the impression since the video came out that the the NFL and Ravens conspired to try and make this problem go away.
Obviously, this sure smells funny...and while this is just my opinion (no proof), I've been under the impression since the video came out that the the NFL and Ravens conspired to try and make this problem go away.
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Bruce Hammond
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Limp Ditka
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Jerry Curl
Footballguy
He should win. That's me taking all things into consideration and what is right and wrong. 
And again, adding to the punishment is not the same as the club and the league punishing him separately. The "double jeopardy" clause you cited isn't "double jeopardy" and does not apply in this situation.
And you are wrong, he was cut then suspended.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489134/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice-new-video-surfaces
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
That is the way the text alerts from ESPN came to me, about half an hour apart.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Incorrect. He was cut first, then the league changes the suspension to indefinite. The news broke that way too.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ray Rice already looked used up? Even if by some miracle he becomes eligible to play again this season, who is he supposed to beat out on the field? He doesn't have it anymore. Ray Rice has become fantasy insignificant just as much by his lack of ability on the football field as he does with the off the field transgressions.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I've been mistaken before. Probably will be again.Incorrect. He was cut first, then the league changes the suspension to indefinite. The news broke that way too.
Proust Loves Cake
Footballguy
Yep, no team will touch him. Vick had a tough road to travel, Rice.....foget 'about it
