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cloppbeast

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Every segment of a population will have its idiots, child abusers, drug addicts, cheaters, and spousal abusers. This is a simple fact of statistics. The backlash against the NFL for having a few such knuckleheads seems based a little in an expectation of fantasy.

Given the number of players in professional football, common sense tells us the NFL will never completely eradicate itself of deplorable behavior. I do not understand how this idea of blaming the NFL for these issues ever came about. Why is it Roger Goodell's responsibility to do something about it? We don't assign many other organizations or professions with such a responsibility.

We need to hold Ray Rice accountable for Ray Rice's transgressions; same with Adrian Person, Johnathan Dwyer, and Greg Hardy. If the public doesn't feel like such perpetrators received appropriate punishment, it should take its beef up with the justice system, not Roger Goodell. When/why did it become his responsibility to institute justice?

 
It probably has a lot to so with the NFL deciding to publicly punish players for non work related behavior. They didn't have to, but they set the precedent.

 
Ilov80s said:
It probably has a lot to so with the NFL deciding to publicly punish players for non work related behavior. They didn't have to, but they set the precedent.
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What do you mean the "NFL didn't have to". You are joking right? How does the NFL make money? Sponsors and TV contracts. Neither of which want to be associated with negative pub like this.

Any job has a right to penalize you or outright fire you if your extra "curriculars" embarrass the company or force you to miss work due to court dates or jail time. They chose to be public figures and therefore their right for privacy kinda goes bye bye.

 
The NFL only cares about what helps them continue to sell products on tv. I am surprised the owners are standing behind goodell because public outrage means worried sponsors and that is what owners do not want. I guess it is a case of growth under Goodell so far trumping this current firestorm. Goodell knows this and the league is going to be draconian from here on out. The NFL will vilify and distance themselves from any player that harms potential revenue. Agents need to educate their players and let them know that a clean image is what makes money and that is all that is important. The NFL should educate players as well. Tell them if they do certain things they can't play because we're about making money from every company we can and doing bad things off the field makes people outraged and you can't sell stuff during the games if people are outraged by the players. bill

 
cloppbeast said:
FreeBaGeL said:
ImTheScientist said:
The media just wants something to talk about to drive ratings. They are the scum of life.
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Yeah, it's not the people that beat their wives that are scum, it's the people who talk about the people beating their wives...
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I will say this: I have more outrage over the way the media has handled these situations than the NFL.
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I find some of the press grand standing extremely annoying. I believe one reporter asked the Wilfs if they apologized to the mother of the abused child. What did the Wilfs do other than employ Adrian Peterson?

Meanwhile members of the press don't seem to have any problem with plastered unethically obtained pictures of same 4 year boy in his underroos all over the internet and television. Who cares about the legal process and the child's confidentiality.

 
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Futz said:
Ilov80s said:
It probably has a lot to so with the NFL deciding to publicly punish players for non work related behavior. They didn't have to, but they set the precedent.
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What do you mean the "NFL didn't have to". You are joking right? How does the NFL make money? Sponsors and TV contracts. Neither of which want to be associated with negative pub like this.

Any job has a right to penalize you or outright fire you if your extra "curriculars" embarrass the company or force you to miss work due to court dates or jail time. They chose to be public figures and therefore their right for privacy kinda goes bye bye.
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The NFL (meaning primarily the owners) has the right to not listen to the sponsors; just as the sponsors have the right to not sponsor the NFL. But the NFL also has to accept what comes with either A) not bowing to the whims of the sponsors or B) associating themselves with the sponsors. They've chosen to take both the good (the gobs and gobs of money and the bad (sponsorship influence).....you can't really get one without the other.

 
Why is everybody up in arms about the NFL 'failing to do more' about Ray Rice beating his wife, yet has nothing to say about the government body who failed to give him a just punishment? After all, it's the government's responsibility, not the NFL's, to uphold the rule of law by instituting justice.

IMO, these situations haven't made the NFL look bad. They've only made Adrian Peterson, Johnathan Dwyer, Greg Hardy, and Ray Rice look bad.

 
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I find it ironic that everyone is upset that not enough was done to Ray Rice, yet his wife lashed out against the media saying it was their business.

Maybe she has a point.

 
cloppbeast said:
Why is everybody up in arms about the NFL 'failing to do more' about Ray Rice beating his wife, yet has nothing to say about the government body who failed to give him a just punishment? After all, it's the government's responsibility, not the NFL's, to uphold the rule of law by instituting justice.

IMO, these situations haven't made the NFL look bad. They've only made Adrian Peterson, Johnathan Dwyer, Greg Hardy, and Ray Rice look bad.
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because the public likes going on witch hunts. always has. it's what they do. the witch they're hunting for needs to be a person. who is the face of the prosecutors office who let him off lightly? The public doesn't know. they know who Goodell is and they know who Ozzie newsome is and who the owner of the ravens is.

 
The fall guy will not be Goodell or the ravens owner. It will be Ozzie Newsome. Goodell and the owner have too much power to be fallguys as Goodell proved this week.

 
cloppbeast said:
FreeBaGeL said:
ImTheScientist said:
The media just wants something to talk about to drive ratings. They are the scum of life.
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Yeah, it's not the people that beat their wives that are scum, it's the people who talk about the people beating their wives...
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I will say this: I have more outrage over the way the media has handled these situations than the NFL.
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how many pages in how many threads are devoted to these guys on this board?

 
Donnybrook said:
cloppbeast said:
FreeBaGeL said:
ImTheScientist said:
The media just wants something to talk about to drive ratings. They are the scum of life.
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Yeah, it's not the people that beat their wives that are scum, it's the people who talk about the people beating their wives...
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I will say this: I have more outrage over the way the media has handled these situations than the NFL.
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I find some of the press grand standing extremely annoying. I believe one reporter asked the Wilfs if they apologized to the mother of the abused child. What did the Wilfs do other than employ Adrian Peterson?

Meanwhile members of the press don't seem to have any problem with plastered unethically obtained pictures of same 4 year boy in his underroos all over the internet and television. Who cares about the legal process and the child's confidentiality.
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The media are criminals in these situations as well as they are traumatizing these victims for the rest of their lives. That kid will most likely get made fun of his entire time throughout school, and his pictures are always going to be on the internet. But lets expose this to the whole country so beer drinking pot bellies around every couch can see the abuse first hand and have some water cooler material the next week at work.

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
cloppbeast said:
FreeBaGeL said:
ImTheScientist said:
The media just wants something to talk about to drive ratings. They are the scum of life.
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Yeah, it's not the people that beat their wives that are scum, it's the people who talk about the people beating their wives...
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I will say this: I have more outrage over the way the media has handled these situations than the NFL.
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how many pages in how many threads are devoted to these guys on this board?
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I'm putting you in charge of counting.

 
dschuler said:
Donnybrook said:
cloppbeast said:
FreeBaGeL said:
ImTheScientist said:
The media just wants something to talk about to drive ratings. They are the scum of life.
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Yeah, it's not the people that beat their wives that are scum, it's the people who talk about the people beating their wives...
Click to expand...
I will say this: I have more outrage over the way the media has handled these situations than the NFL.
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I find some of the press grand standing extremely annoying. I believe one reporter asked the Wilfs if they apologized to the mother of the abused child. What did the Wilfs do other than employ Adrian Peterson?

Meanwhile members of the press don't seem to have any problem with plastered unethically obtained pictures of same 4 year boy in his underroos all over the internet and television. Who cares about the legal process and the child's confidentiality.
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The media are criminals in these situations as well as they are traumatizing these victims for the rest of their lives. That kid will most likely get made fun of his entire time throughout school, and his pictures are always going to be on the internet. But lets expose this to the whole country so beer drinking pot bellies around every couch can see the abuse first hand and have some water cooler material the next week at work.
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as I just pointed out the media are just the middlemen.

who supplied them with those pics, and who demands to see them?

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
dschuler said:
Donnybrook said:
cloppbeast said:
FreeBaGeL said:
ImTheScientist said:
The media just wants something to talk about to drive ratings. They are the scum of life.
Click to expand...
Yeah, it's not the people that beat their wives that are scum, it's the people who talk about the people beating their wives...
Click to expand...
I will say this: I have more outrage over the way the media has handled these situations than the NFL.
Click to expand...
I find some of the press grand standing extremely annoying. I believe one reporter asked the Wilfs if they apologized to the mother of the abused child. What did the Wilfs do other than employ Adrian Peterson?

Meanwhile members of the press don't seem to have any problem with plastered unethically obtained pictures of same 4 year boy in his underroos all over the internet and television. Who cares about the legal process and the child's confidentiality.
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The media are criminals in these situations as well as they are traumatizing these victims for the rest of their lives. That kid will most likely get made fun of his entire time throughout school, and his pictures are always going to be on the internet. But lets expose this to the whole country so beer drinking pot bellies around every couch can see the abuse first hand and have some water cooler material the next week at work.
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as I just pointed out the media are just the middlemen.

who supplied them with those pics, and who demands to see them?
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Pics can be supplied from anyone, the media pays very big money for them so they can use them.

People who consume news ultimately demand them.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
cloppbeast said:
Every segment of a population will have its idiots, child abusers, drug addicts, cheaters, and spousal abusers.
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Most companies fire losers like that. Why doesn't the NFL?
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That's not really true, but if it fits your narrative....

At my job, dude's drink and drive without punishment all the time. One guy got arrested for domestic violence without getting fired or suspended and no reporter blamed the DOC for not 'doing anything'. This kind of stuff happens all the time.

Then again, pissing hot will get you a box and an escort out the door; that's a whole other can of worms.

 
dschuler said:
Pics can be supplied from anyone, the media pays very big money for them so they can use them.

People who consume news ultimately demand them.
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The journalism industry has an ethical responsibility to refrain in certain circumstances, to protect victims in sensitive situations from unwanted attention. The complete lack of any restraint from the media in this country resembles tabloid behavior rather than journalism.

 
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I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...

 
cloppbeast said:
dschuler said:
Pics can be supplied from anyone, the media pays very big money for them so they can use them.

People who consume news ultimately demand them.
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The journalism industry has an ethical responsibility to refrain in certain circumstances, to protect victims in sensitive situations from unwanted attention. The complete lack of any restraint from the media in this country resembles tabloid behavior rather than journalism.
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Unfortunately ethics in regards to media are eroding rather quickly. Maybe it's a culture change, maybe due to social media. People's lives are exposed more so than ever.

 
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL isn't the average American business though, actually far from it.

 
Futz said:
Ilov80s said:
It probably has a lot to so with the NFL deciding to publicly punish players for non work related behavior. They didn't have to, but they set the precedent.
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What do you mean the "NFL didn't have to". You are joking right? How does the NFL make money? Sponsors and TV contracts. Neither of which want to be associated with negative pub like this.

Any job has a right to penalize you or outright fire you if your extra "curriculars" embarrass the company or force you to miss work due to court dates or jail time. They chose to be public figures and therefore their right for privacy kinda goes bye bye.
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Enough with the sponsor swimming to moral high ground, the sponsor didn't have a problem when Ray Lewis was the face of the NFL! Oh yeah, let us not forgot that the morally high Minnesota cheered for Randy Moss and Cris Carter a known drug abuser in his day.

Goodell and the NFL should of told the sponsor where to stick it, lets face it people wouldn't stop watching the game because Rice, Peterson and Hardy are playing while their case is in the legal system.

 
cloppbeast said:
Cliff Clavin said:
cloppbeast said:
Every segment of a population will have its idiots, child abusers, drug addicts, cheaters, and spousal abusers.
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Most companies fire losers like that. Why doesn't the NFL?
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That's not really true, but if it fits your narrative....

At my job, dude's drink and drive without punishment all the time. One guy got arrested for domestic violence without getting fired or suspended and no reporter blamed the DOC for not 'doing anything'. This kind of stuff happens all the time.

Then again, pissing hot will get you a box and an escort out the door; that's a whole other can of worms.
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It is different for everyone but if you're a public face to your company and you embarrass it, you're likely gone.

 
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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Drugs? I work in a hospital and havent been drug tested in 11 years. Companies dont go out of their way to suspend like the nfl does.

Most companies dont hear about DUIs or most other crimes that their employees are part of.

The answer to your question is....more than you and your company know about.

 
ghostguy123 said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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Drugs? I work in a hospital and havent been drug tested in 11 years. Companies dont go out of their way to suspend like the nfl does.

Most companies dont hear about DUIs or most other crimes that their employees are part of.

The answer to your question is....more than you and your company know about.
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I agree completely. And a lot of companies that have employees arrested and charged for a DUI will get them help after the first one, and get rid of them on another one normally.

 
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL isn't the average American business though, actually far from it.
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Because they CHOOSE to not operate it as one. Start canceling the contract of ever idiot who does one of these things (the same way the average American would be fired from their job at a multi-billion dollar company) and watch how fast they would clean up their act and begin looking and feeling like a differently run business.

Like anything else in life, people are going to push the limits of what is allowed. The NFL has allowed idiocy and criminality within their walls for far too long and it's about time they get more proactive in cleaning it up.

 
Sort of reminds me of when i was in a fraternity. If a member of a frat was busted for drugs or something the frat got a black eye. Yet when the dozens of other student in the school were busted for the exact same thing did the school get a black eye?? Of course not.

 
JMJ said:
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL isn't the average American business though, actually far from it.
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Because they CHOOSE to not operate it as one. Start canceling the contract of ever idiot who does one of these things (the same way the average American would be fired from their job at a multi-billion dollar company) and watch how fast they would clean up their act and begin looking and feeling like a differently run business.

Like anything else in life, people are going to push the limits of what is allowed. The NFL has allowed idiocy and criminality within their walls for far too long and it's about time they get more proactive in cleaning it up.
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No, they aren't an average company because they are on TV and the news 24 hours a day. Kids idolize them. Guys want to be them. Women want to be with them. It's not a choice for them to make.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Sort of reminds me of when i was in a fraternity. If a member of a frat was busted for drugs or something the frat got a black eye. Yet when the dozens of other student in the school were busted for the exact same thing did the school get a black eye?? Of course not.
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Sort of like that but on a nationwide scale with 24 hour news coverage.

 
dschuler said:
ghostguy123 said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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Drugs? I work in a hospital and havent been drug tested in 11 years. Companies dont go out of their way to suspend like the nfl does.Most companies dont hear about DUIs or most other crimes that their employees are part of.

The answer to your question is....more than you and your company know about.
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I agree completely. And a lot of companies that have employees arrested and charged for a DUI will get them help after the first one, and get rid of them on another one normally.
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Ok, so a two strike law. Got it - that seems fair before termination. The NFL has what before termination? Cause I've never seen it happen. Josh Gordon has been arrested how many times? And he's suspended 10 games. That is the equivalent of your company suspending you (not firing - suspending you) for, I don't know, getting arrested 4-5 times in a 12 month span?

 
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL isn't the average American business though, actually far from it.
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Because they CHOOSE to not operate it as one. Start canceling the contract of ever idiot who does one of these things (the same way the average American would be fired from their job at a multi-billion dollar company) and watch how fast they would clean up their act and begin looking and feeling like a differently run business.Like anything else in life, people are going to push the limits of what is allowed. The NFL has allowed idiocy and criminality within their walls for far too long and it's about time they get more proactive in cleaning it up.
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No, they aren't an average company because they are on TV and the news 24 hours a day. Kids idolize them. Guys want to be them. Women want to be with them. It's not a choice for them to make.
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What relevance does that have to our discussion?

 
If the NFL came out and were to say from now on they will let the legal system handle the punishments, who could really say they have a problem with that? If the legal system isnt doing anything then we have much bigger problems than the NFL not suspending people for everything.

They might lose a couple sponsors. So??. Most companies will line up to sponsor the NFL.

 
JMJ said:
dschuler said:
ghostguy123 said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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Drugs? I work in a hospital and havent been drug tested in 11 years. Companies dont go out of their way to suspend like the nfl does.Most companies dont hear about DUIs or most other crimes that their employees are part of.

The answer to your question is....more than you and your company know about.
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I agree completely. And a lot of companies that have employees arrested and charged for a DUI will get them help after the first one, and get rid of them on another one normally.
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Ok, so a two strike law. Got it - that seems fair before termination. The NFL has what before termination? Cause I've never seen it happen. Josh Gordon has been arrested how many times? And he's suspended 10 games. That is the equivalent of your company suspending you (not firing - suspending you) for, I don't know, getting arrested 4-5 times in a 12 month span?
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Josh gordon wouldnt be fired if he worked in the hospital i work in. He never would be drug tested weekly like now and nobody would even know about the DUI unless he told them.

 
JMJ said:
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL isn't the average American business though, actually far from it.
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Because they CHOOSE to not operate it as one. Start canceling the contract of ever idiot who does one of these things (the same way the average American would be fired from their job at a multi-billion dollar company) and watch how fast they would clean up their act and begin looking and feeling like a differently run business.Like anything else in life, people are going to push the limits of what is allowed. The NFL has allowed idiocy and criminality within their walls for far too long and it's about time they get more proactive in cleaning it up.
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No, they aren't an average company because they are on TV and the news 24 hours a day. Kids idolize them. Guys want to be them. Women want to be with them. It's not a choice for them to make.
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What relevance does that have to our discussion?
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Seriously? Okay here is why they are different. They are in the public spotlight and have a moral obligation to set a positive example in our society, for our youth, and for our country. They are held to higher standards than some other corporations that hold thousands of employees. Military members, Doctors, Congressman, fireman, police officers, judges, CEOs, etc. May not seem fair but it comes with the territory. If the NFL doesn't hold their athletes accountable and to a high standard, major corporations that spend billions of dollars with the NFL will pull their funding because they don't want to be associated with irresponsible behavior.

 
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL has had 1 player busted per week for the past month. The law of probability says this will happen from time to time.

I doubt 100% of your co-workers were 20-30 year old males, either - which happens to be the segment of the population with the highest occurrence of such crimes. Comparing the NFL players to the average of 20-30 year old males reveals that football players actually live less crime-filled lives than average, in fact.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
cloppbeast said:
Cliff Clavin said:
cloppbeast said:
Every segment of a population will have its idiots, child abusers, drug addicts, cheaters, and spousal abusers.
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Most companies fire losers like that. Why doesn't the NFL?
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That's not really true, but if it fits your narrative....

At my job, dude's drink and drive without punishment all the time. One guy got arrested for domestic violence without getting fired or suspended and no reporter blamed the DOC for not 'doing anything'. This kind of stuff happens all the time.

Then again, pissing hot will get you a box and an escort out the door; that's a whole other can of worms.
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It is different for everyone but if you're a public face to your company and you embarrass it, you're likely gone.
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It's only different when the public makes it different.

 
cloppbeast said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL has had 1 player busted per week for the past month. The law of probability says this will happen from time to time.

I doubt 100% of your co-workers were 20-30 year old males, either - which happens to be the segment of the population with the highest occurrence of such crimes. Comparing the NFL players to the average of 20-30 year old males reveals that football players actually live less crime-filled lives than average, in fact.
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Anothee valid point. Almost nobody where i work is under 30

 
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
dschuler said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL isn't the average American business though, actually far from it.
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Because they CHOOSE to not operate it as one. Start canceling the contract of ever idiot who does one of these things (the same way the average American would be fired from their job at a multi-billion dollar company) and watch how fast they would clean up their act and begin looking and feeling like a differently run business.Like anything else in life, people are going to push the limits of what is allowed. The NFL has allowed idiocy and criminality within their walls for far too long and it's about time they get more proactive in cleaning it up.
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No, they aren't an average company because they are on TV and the news 24 hours a day. Kids idolize them. Guys want to be them. Women want to be with them. It's not a choice for them to make.
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What relevance does that have to our discussion?
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Seriously? Okay here is why they are different. They are in the public spotlight and have a moral obligation to set a positive example in our society, for our youth, and for our country. They are held to higher standards than some other corporations that hold thousands of employees. Military members, Doctors, Congressman, fireman, police officers, judges, CEOs, etc. May not seem fair but it comes with the territory. If the NFL doesn't hold their athletes accountable and to a high standard, major corporations that spend billions of dollars with the NFL will pull their funding because they don't want to be associated with irresponsible behavior.
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Right. And what I'm saying is that despite all of what you just said being true, the do NOT hold themselves to that standard.

 
JMJ said:
Like anything else in life, people are going to push the limits of what is allowed. The NFL has allowed idiocy and criminality within their walls for far too long and it's about time they get more proactive in cleaning it up.
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This is pretty much a fallacy, actually. To reiterate my above post, the NFL has much lower crime rates than the average average 20-30 year old male. This whole 'the NFL is out of control' arises from the pill media has shoved down our throats.

 
cloppbeast said:
Cliff Clavin said:
cloppbeast said:
Cliff Clavin said:
cloppbeast said:
Every segment of a population will have its idiots, child abusers, drug addicts, cheaters, and spousal abusers.
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Most companies fire losers like that. Why doesn't the NFL?
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That's not really true, but if it fits your narrative....

At my job, dude's drink and drive without punishment all the time. One guy got arrested for domestic violence without getting fired or suspended and no reporter blamed the DOC for not 'doing anything'. This kind of stuff happens all the time.

Then again, pissing hot will get you a box and an escort out the door; that's a whole other can of worms.
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It is different for everyone but if you're a public face to your company and you embarrass it, you're likely gone.
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It's only different when the public makes it different.
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When you take money from entities that are fueled by the public...you are beholden to the public.

 
Pip said:
TMZ is not journalism and never has been.
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I can't blame TMZ, because they are what they are. But ESPN now ventures into the same realm with their handling of all these recent NFL scandals, not to mention Penn State and a host of others.

 
cloppbeast said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL has had 1 player busted per week for the past month. The law of probability says this will happen from time to time.

I doubt 100% of your co-workers were 20-30 year old males, either - which happens to be the segment of the population with the highest occurrence of such crimes. Comparing the NFL players to the average of 20-30 year old males reveals that football players actually live less crime-filled lives than average, in fact.
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They were both Internet tech companies (one of which likely hosts your fantasy football league) and was very male dominated and very young crew (like most all tech companies at the time).

 
JMJ said:
cloppbeast said:
JMJ said:
I have worked for more than one company in the past with well over 1,000 employees. There wasn't a new co-worker of mine being busted per week for beating his wife, abusing his (or her) children, drug use, driving while intoxicated, carrying and or threatening someone with firearms, etc.

The NFL is a business. Compared to the average American business, they are out of control and WAY out of line. How many people in your company have been arrested for any of the things I listed above this year? Or last year? Hell, the last 10 years? Go ahead and answer. I'll wait ...
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The NFL has had 1 player busted per week for the past month. The law of probability says this will happen from time to time.

I doubt 100% of your co-workers were 20-30 year old males, either - which happens to be the segment of the population with the highest occurrence of such crimes. Comparing the NFL players to the average of 20-30 year old males reveals that football players actually live less crime-filled lives than average, in fact.
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They were both Internet tech companies (one of which likely hosts your fantasy football league) and was very male dominated and very young crew (like most all tech companies at the time).
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White and from the suburbs I take it?

 
Squintz82 said:
I find it ironic that everyone is upset that not enough was done to Ray Rice, yet his wife lashed out against the media saying it was their business.

Maybe she has a point.
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This has been discussed at length. This is such a ridiculous thing to say... do you not realize that one of the big side effects of an abusive relationship is essentially Stockholm Syndrome? Battered women typically blame themselves for the violence thinking it's their fault that they're beaten on a day-to-day basis. She doesn't have a point... not at all. She needs help.

As for the people saying "Josh Gordon would be fired if he tested positive this much for pot in a regular everyday job". I'm not sure what kind of job you work with? But in the normal world of jobs you're not drug tested every week. I've worked for a school district for over three years and haven't been drug tested to date. Not even for my initial employment. In a regular everyday job they only drug test you when they have a reason too... for example, coming to work high. Which Gordon never did.

 
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