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Void Trade? Mendy for David Nelson (1 Viewer)

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An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion just

desperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on

what you think will happen in the future?

Jay

 
Not a big fan of voiding trades unless it is a lot more obviously collusion than this example. Mendy owner seems kind of stupid, but I still don't believe this is vetoable.

 
An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion just

desperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on

what you think will happen in the future?

Jay
You shouldn't. You may be wrong.
 
Depends on what the league views your role to be. If your instructions are to keep it balanced, then sure this is a concern. If that is not explicitly laid out, then unless there is a suspicion of collusion, you have no business interfering.

 
Not voidable.

As a mendy owner, if it were a PPR, I'd consider this trade. Don't think you're getting full value but don't think it's outrageous.

 
There are arguably better WR's available as free agents Manningham, Decker, Rice, D Moore. He could have

had them for free.

 
Nope can't void this.......

Especially based on "what you think might happen in the future"? Doing that would set a very ugly precident that could cause serious issues since no one knows what will happen in the future.

 
An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion just

desperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on

what you think will happen in the future?Jay
Only if you can predict the future.
 
You should void the 0-3 Mendy owner. You will never have a quality league with dumb and/or desperate owners willing to trade away first round picks for waiver wire guys three weeks into the season. Unless it's just a "for fun" league....in which case, why even start this thread?

 
An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion just

desperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on

what you think will happen in the future?Jay
Never, ever, ever, ever.Please don't try to run other people's team for them. TIA.

 
An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion justdesperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on what you think will happen in the future?Jay
If you void the trade and Mendy blows an ACL this week and Nelson goes for 150/2, what will you tell the 0-3 (make that 0-4) team?
 
There are arguably better WR's available as free agents Manningham, Decker, Rice, D Moore. He could have had them for free.
Wow, if those guys are free agents, it is easy to see how the 0-3 owner is 0-3. I would rather have Rice, Moore and Manningham for the rest of the season over Nelson anyway. That said, it is a bad trade, but not awful based on the current production, awful because it is a stupid move.
 
An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion justdesperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on what you think will happen in the future?Jay
If the other owner was also 0-3, would you be asking? Its not a trade I'd make, but if the guy getting Nelson believes he's making his team better, let him run his team his way.
 
An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion justdesperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on what you think will happen in the future?Jay
Then no. Period. Always. Just repeat this to yourself about 34,985,398,539,579,837,593,475 times so we don't have to keep seeing these types of posts in the SP...every. freaking. hour.
 
There are arguably better WR's available as free agents Manningham, Decker, Rice, D Moore. He could have had them for free.
Or Nelson could be the Lloyd of the 2011 season and Mendy could break his femur next game. It's foolish to think players past performance or lack thereof is a certainty for their future worth..
 
An 0-3 guy just traded Mendy for David Nelson to a 3-0 team. There is no colusion justdesperation. The numbers so far this season make it unvoidable but can you void it on what you think will happen in the future?Jay
You should quit the league for considering voiding the trade. In fact, quit fantasy football altogether. This is a fundamental idea and you don't get it.
 
My guess is that a league with players like Manningham, Rice, Moore, etc. on the waiver wire isn't a very serious league, and doesn't have the most knowledgeable owners. In that case, I would just let it go and not worry about it, unless there is one owner who is being taken advantage of. In that case, I would talk to both owners and see the reasoning.

Regardless, I wouldn't veto.

 
Who could of the 0-3 team have dropped to pick up all those WRs on the WW? If he's got a couple bums/dead weight he could of easily cut for those guys, I think it's pretty clear that he's given up and is giving away players. The trade should then be voided and don't ask him to return next year.

 
1) Do your league rules permit this trade?

2) Do your league rules specifically give you the power to disallow any trade?

The answers to both are likely NO - as they should be......Let it be

 
I can't believe all the notes on how good/bad/stupid this trade may be without any info on scoring or rosters.

Mendy looks bad right now and, depending on scoring format, this could be a "no-name" steal for the Mendy owner, especially if he drafted enough RBs that he can part with Mendenhall.

Moore is the only guy listed I might like more than Nelson, and that's questionable considering Fitz looks lightyears better than Campbell.

Anyway . . . to answer the question, you answered your own question. Not worthy of a veto.

 
The scoring system is in my signature. The 0-3 guy is brand new. I've commished this league for

16 years and have only vetoed on trade based on collusion. I just have not seen this lopsided of

a trade in the sense that he could have had at least as good of a WR off waivers or could have

worked a better trade from anyone else. That being said, even though some other owners will squeal,

I can't void it because in my guppy wisdom I think it's lopsided. I can kick myself for not robbing

him myself.

 
The scoring system is in my signature. The 0-3 guy is brand new. I've commished this league for16 years and have only vetoed on trade based on collusion. I just have not seen this lopsided ofa trade in the sense that he could have had at least as good of a WR off waivers or could haveworked a better trade from anyone else. That being said, even though some other owners will squeal,I can't void it because in my guppy wisdom I think it's lopsided. I can kick myself for not robbinghim myself.
Quit. It's for the best. Maybe you can play fantasy knitting or something, but not this.
 
Would you feel the same if it was Stevie Johnson for Mendy

REC TAR YDS AVG TD LONG 20+ YDS/G YAC

Steve Johnson 20 30 256 12.8 3 33 2 85.3 60

David Nelson 20 27 233 11.7 1 35 3 77.7 91

I have tried to edit this so it would be easier to read, but when i save changes it looks like this. sorry

 
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The scoring system is in my signature. The 0-3 guy is brand new. I've commished this league for

16 years and have only vetoed on trade based on collusion. I just have not seen this lopsided of

a trade in the sense that he could have had at least as good of a WR off waivers or could have

worked a better trade from anyone else. That being said, even though some other owners will squeal,

I can't void it because in my guppy wisdom I think it's lopsided. I can kick myself for not robbing

him myself.
Don't void it just because your mad you didn't rip him off. If you had, would you veto THAT trade?
 
In PPR Nelson is very similar in ranking to Manningham in the top 250 forward article. In this week's cheatsheet rankings for PPR on FBG David Nelson is ranked #37 overall and Mendenhall is 48.

 
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Depends on what the league views your role to be. If your instructions are to keep it balanced, then sure this is a concern. If that is not explicitly laid out, then unless there is a suspicion of collusion, you have no business interfering.
If your role is to keep all the teams balanced you need another league.
 
We need a veto forum. :wall:
Sticky post:"If you are going to post a 'should I veto' question first send it through the following filter:Is there collusion?Yes = veto and boot involved owners from the leagueNo = don't interfere"It is really that simple.
 
Well I know it's against the grain here, but that's a trade that would not be allowed in the league I play in. Too much money at stake to allow for such a lopsided trade. A 0-3 team basically giving Mendy to a 3-0 team would be considered suspicious enough to get vetoed. I've played with the same guys for 10 years and I'm glad we don't have those kinds of problems.

 
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Trade (PPR 1/10yrd)

RB - YTD (23 FP)

148 rush

5/21 rec

1TD

WR - YTD (48 FP)

20/233 rec

1TD

Reasonable trade?

Take the names out, and this isn't remotely uneven. Mendenhall, in PPR, is a mid to low RB2. Nelson is a surprise, so he was off the draft radar, but he's not only producing decent stat lines through 3 games, he's seeing equal targets as the WR1 in ( what appears to be ) a passing offense.

ETA:

Last year, this could have been Frank Gore and Brandon Lloyd. Lloyd was an underachieving WR in his 8th season, with no track record, found on the waiver wire in most leagues. Gore was a consensus late 1st/early 2nd round pick and considered a top 10 RB. How would that trade have worked out?

 
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Were only 3 weeks into the season!...a bit early to equate the two as equals.

 
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I threw this out there because it's an interesting case of an 0-3 guy doing anything he can

to win now and quit waiting for his 2nd round pick to wake up and how long to any of us

wait for that early pick to get going. Unfortunately, the same 0-3 guy took Chris Johnson

with the 4th pick in the draft-- so his is desparate. It can be a lond season when your one and

only team sucks (I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan, I know).

I can't veto this becasue there is no collusion and the numbers aren't that far off. Those of

us that are uncomfortable can't get over giving up the 17th pick in the draft for a waiver wire

wonder. I can't veto it and will resist the complaints of the other owners but I hate to see

a guy panic and another player give up nothing for a potential difference maker.

 
I threw this out there because it's an interesting case of an 0-3 guy doing anything he canto win now and quit waiting for his 2nd round pick to wake up and how long to any of uswait for that early pick to get going. Unfortunately, the same 0-3 guy took Chris Johnsonwith the 4th pick in the draft-- so his is desparate. It can be a lond season when your one and only team sucks (I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan, I know). I can't veto this becasue there is no collusion and the numbers aren't that far off. Those ofus that are uncomfortable can't get over giving up the 17th pick in the draft for a waiver wirewonder. I can't veto it and will resist the complaints of the other owners but I hate to seea guy panic and another player give up nothing for a potential difference maker.
Why haven't you quit yet?
 
unless you paid for there teams, its not your job to run them

You should void the 0-3 Mendy owner. You will never have a quality league with dumb and/or desperate owners willing to trade away first round picks for waiver wire guys three weeks into the season. Unless it's just a "for fun" league....in which case, why even start this thread?
if this is the case, the it is in the leagues best interest to kick the owner out, not veto the trade
 
Don't veto for all the obvious reasons, but I honestly don't think its that bad anyway. 3 weeks is plenty to reasses each guy's value and no question these guys are heading in different directions. Would I make the trade? Probably not, but I would at least look up the schedules and consider it.

Its likely trading a RB2 for a WR3 in a PPR league. Forget the names and where they were drafted.

 
I can't veto this becasue there is no collusion and the numbers aren't that far off. Those ofus that are uncomfortable can't get over giving up the 17th pick in the draft for a waiver wirewonder. I can't veto it and will resist the complaints of the other owners but I hate to seea guy panic and another player give up nothing for a potential difference maker.
The number 2 WR in an offense that is scoring over 37 points a week, has been targeted 27 times, and has 20 catches, is nothing?
 
Were only 3 weeks into the season!...a bit early to equate the two as equals.
While it's not a trade I'd make, after next week, we're 1/4 of the way into the NFL season and more than that through the regular fantasy football season. Where do you draw the line? Do we have to wait until half the season's over before we can start ranking players based on performance instead of pre-season draft cheat sheets?
 
I threw this out there because it's an interesting case of an 0-3 guy doing anything he can

to win now and quit waiting for his 2nd round pick to wake up and how long to any of us

wait for that early pick to get going. Unfortunately, the same 0-3 guy took Chris Johnson

with the 4th pick in the draft-- so his is desparate. It can be a lond season when your one and

only team sucks (I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan, I know).

I can't veto this becasue there is no collusion and the numbers aren't that far off. Those of

us that are uncomfortable can't get over giving up the 17th pick in the draft for a waiver wire

wonder. I can't veto it and will resist the complaints of the other owners but I hate to see

a guy panic and another player give up nothing for a potential difference maker.
That's a really stupid way to look at trades.
 
I threw this out there because it's an interesting case of an 0-3 guy doing anything he can

to win now and quit waiting for his 2nd round pick to wake up and how long to any of us

wait for that early pick to get going. Unfortunately, the same 0-3 guy took Chris Johnson

with the 4th pick in the draft-- so his is desparate. It can be a lond season when your one and

only team sucks (I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan, I know).

I can't veto this becasue there is no collusion and the numbers aren't that far off. Those of

us that are uncomfortable can't get over giving up the 17th pick in the draft for a waiver wire

wonder. I can't veto it and will resist the complaints of the other owners but I hate to see

a guy panic and another player give up nothing for a potential difference maker.
That's a really stupid way to look at trades.
17th pick? WTF?

 

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