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I didn't like him before the draft and I like him less now in JAX. He's a small WR with no speed. Yes, he is physical and will probably be a decent possession receiver, but not someone I want in the top 10.

 
'JohnnyU said:
I didn't like him before the draft and I like him less now in JAX. He's a small WR with no speed. Yes, he is physical and will probably be a decent possession receiver, but not someone I want in the top 10.
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:lmao: Good one, JU!

 
'JohnnyU said:
I didn't like him before the draft and I like him less now in JAX. He's a small WR with no speed. Yes, he is physical and will probably be a decent possession receiver, but not someone I want in the top 10.
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1. It's fine that you didn't like him b4 the draft but I lose a lot of respect JU for your opinion on players when you say Blackmon is small with no speed. He is almost 6-1, he has good size and he also turns 5 yd patterns into 55 yd TDs and that is a lot like TO. 2. I hate that he went to Jax, they signed several WRs but Blackmon can elevate over them by Season 2/3 for sure. Jax is gonna need another QB that isn't on the roster right now. 3. He looks terrible in those colors. I'm a big Blackmon supporter I really am but I don't see his path as easy for the next couple years. He should be on the field a lot though.
 
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1. It's fine that you didn't like him b4 the draft but I lose a lot of respect JU for your opinion on players when you say Blackmon is small with no speed. He is almost 6-1, he has good size and he also turns 5 yd patterns into 55 yd TDs and that is a lot like TO.
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First, I don't need your respect. I stand by my opinion that he is small with no speed. In comparison to stud WRs in today's NFL, he is small with no speed.
 
Thanks JU, I was having trouble while searching for your opinion on Blackmon in the other 35 threads. Now I can bookmark this thread.

 
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'JohnnyU said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
1. It's fine that you didn't like him b4 the draft but I lose a lot of respect JU for your opinion on players when you say Blackmon is small with no speed. He is almost 6-1, he has good size and he also turns 5 yd patterns into 55 yd TDs and that is a lot like TO.
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First, I don't need your respect. I stand by my opinion that he is small with no speed. In comparison to stud WRs in today's NFL, he is small with no speed.
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You have nothing to stand on JU, you only fired the thread up to try and take the 1st step towards being the driver of the bandwagon that he will fail, it's obvious to most and probably why you didn't get a lot of replies to this point. And since you don't need my respect, certainly no reason to continue to debate with you on the boards sir. Good Luck JU, see you around sometime.
 
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Pretty obvious that he plays bigger than his listed size. Not sure you have the right guy. We are talking about the Blackmon that every nfl scout considered a top 10 talent.

Also, Gabbert is probably not as bad as he looked last year. Just a hunch.

 
'footballsavvy said:
Pretty obvious that he plays bigger than his listed size. Not sure you have the right guy. We are talking about the Blackmon that every nfl scout considered a top 10 talent.Also, Gabbert is probably not as bad as he looked last year. Just a hunch.
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Everyone thought Crabtree was great too and in my mind Blackmon = Crabtree. He isn't a big WR with speed. Yes, he has good body control and has good hands, but in my mind that isn't a #1 WR. At best he's a good WR but not a #1 WR.ETA: I guarantee Michael Floyd will be better than Blackmon !!!
 
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'JohnnyU said:
'footballsavvy said:
Pretty obvious that he plays bigger than his listed size. Not sure you have the right guy. We are talking about the Blackmon that every nfl scout considered a top 10 talent.Also, Gabbert is probably not as bad as he looked last year. Just a hunch.
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Everyone thought Crabtree was great too and in my mind Blackmon = Crabtree. He isn't a big WR with speed. Yes, he has good body control and has good hands, but in my mind that isn't a #1 WR. At best he's a good WR but not a #1 WR.ETA: I guarantee Michael Floyd will be better than Blackmon !!!
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No, not everyone. Crabtree was a headcase and never healthy - the warning signs were there. Is Hakeem Nicks a #1?
 
'cstu said:
'JohnnyU said:
'footballsavvy said:
Pretty obvious that he plays bigger than his listed size. Not sure you have the right guy. We are talking about the Blackmon that every nfl scout considered a top 10 talent.Also, Gabbert is probably not as bad as he looked last year. Just a hunch.
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Everyone thought Crabtree was great too and in my mind Blackmon = Crabtree. He isn't a big WR with speed. Yes, he has good body control and has good hands, but in my mind that isn't a #1 WR. At best he's a good WR but not a #1 WR.ETA: I guarantee Michael Floyd will be better than Blackmon !!!
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No, not everyone. Crabtree was a headcase and never healthy - the warning signs were there. Is Hakeem Nicks a #1?
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I wouldn't compare Blackmon to Nicks no matter what you've read.
 
Same size / speed as Hakeem Nicks. Bigger than Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Victor Cruz, Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Pierre Garçon, etc

 
'Fallerjw said:
Same size / speed as Hakeem Nicks. Bigger than Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Victor Cruz, Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Pierre Garçon, etc
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That means nothing. He won't get separation at the next level and is no threat down field. He may be a good Anquan Boldin type WR and that isn't a bad thing, but top 10, no way.
 
those of you thinking of him as a top WR #1 are way off. I think his ceiling is Boldin and floor is Braylon Edwards.

 
Same size / speed as Hakeem Nicks. Bigger than Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Victor Cruz, Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Pierre Garçon, etc
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That means nothing. He won't get separation at the next level and is no threat down field. He may be a good Anquan Boldin type WR and that isn't a bad thing, but top 10, no way.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. :shrug:
 
those of you thinking of him as a top WR #1 are way off. I think his ceiling is Boldin and floor is Braylon Edwards.
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Two very talented players. Take the attitude issues away from Braylon and he's a stud.2007. 80 catches. 1300 yards. 16 TDThat's a good floor.
 
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'JohnnyU said:
'Fallerjw said:
Same size / speed as Hakeem Nicks. Bigger than Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Victor Cruz, Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Pierre Garçon, etc
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That means nothing. He won't get separation at the next level and is no threat down field. He may be a good Anquan Boldin type WR and that isn't a bad thing, but top 10, no way.
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i hate to tell you this, but Q has had some seriously amazing seasons.
 
'Fallerjw said:
those of you thinking of him as a top WR #1 are way off. I think his ceiling is Boldin and floor is Braylon Edwards.
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Two very talented players. Take the attitude issues away from Braylon and he's a stud.2007. 80 catches. 1300 yards. 16 TDThat's a good floor.
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Calling Braylon his floor doesn't equate to his stats from his one and only good season I presume.
 
'JohnnyU said:
'Fallerjw said:
Same size / speed as Hakeem Nicks. Bigger than Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Victor Cruz, Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Pierre Garçon, etc
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That means nothing. He won't get separation at the next level and is no threat down field. He may be a good Anquan Boldin type WR and that isn't a bad thing, but top 10, no way.
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When Boldin was healthy he was a top 10 WR and probably top 5 in PPR in PPG.
 
I generally don't give my opinion on rookies because I don't follow college football as most of you most likely do. However, I do like reading these fantasy forums to obtain that knowledge I would have otherwise gained. So reading comments of those "naysayers" of a particular player are beneficial to me when they provide a reason to either look into or provide a sufficient argument in itself. While it seems most of you have a different evaluation of Blackmon, I don't think it's right to blast JohnnyU's opinion to the point of irrelevancy because I, for one, appreciate the "devil's advocate" approach to form a better opinion of my own.

He could very well be wrong. But being the person to say he's a guaranteed top NFL player in the future when he was a guaranteed top college WR in this draft doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch to me. Kudos to him for going against the grain. We should appreciate these types of opinions more.

 
'ffguru56 said:
I generally don't give my opinion on rookies because I don't follow college football as most of you most likely do. However, I do like reading these fantasy forums to obtain that knowledge I would have otherwise gained. So reading comments of those "naysayers" of a particular player are beneficial to me when they provide a reason to either look into or provide a sufficient argument in itself. While it seems most of you have a different evaluation of Blackmon, I don't think it's right to blast JohnnyU's opinion to the point of irrelevancy because I, for one, appreciate the "devil's advocate" approach to form a better opinion of my own.He could very well be wrong. But being the person to say he's a guaranteed top NFL player in the future when he was a guaranteed top college WR in this draft doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch to me. Kudos to him for going against the grain. We should appreciate these types of opinions more.
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People are not bristling because of his opinion - it's the fact he's posted the same thing about 284 times in various threads.
 
'The Comedian said:
'ffguru56 said:
I generally don't give my opinion on rookies because I don't follow college football as most of you most likely do. However, I do like reading these fantasy forums to obtain that knowledge I would have otherwise gained. So reading comments of those "naysayers" of a particular player are beneficial to me when they provide a reason to either look into or provide a sufficient argument in itself. While it seems most of you have a different evaluation of Blackmon, I don't think it's right to blast JohnnyU's opinion to the point of irrelevancy because I, for one, appreciate the "devil's advocate" approach to form a better opinion of my own.He could very well be wrong. But being the person to say he's a guaranteed top NFL player in the future when he was a guaranteed top college WR in this draft doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch to me. Kudos to him for going against the grain. We should appreciate these types of opinions more.
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People are not bristling because of his opinion - it's the fact he's posted the same thing about 284 times in various threads.
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Oh...well maybe he feels that strongly about his opinion then. :)
 
'ffguru56 said:
'The Comedian said:
'ffguru56 said:
I generally don't give my opinion on rookies because I don't follow college football as most of you most likely do. However, I do like reading these fantasy forums to obtain that knowledge I would have otherwise gained. So reading comments of those "naysayers" of a particular player are beneficial to me when they provide a reason to either look into or provide a sufficient argument in itself. While it seems most of you have a different evaluation of Blackmon, I don't think it's right to blast JohnnyU's opinion to the point of irrelevancy because I, for one, appreciate the "devil's advocate" approach to form a better opinion of my own.He could very well be wrong. But being the person to say he's a guaranteed top NFL player in the future when he was a guaranteed top college WR in this draft doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch to me. Kudos to him for going against the grain. We should appreciate these types of opinions more.
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People are not bristling because of his opinion - it's the fact he's posted the same thing about 284 times in various threads.
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Oh...well maybe he feels that strongly about his opinion then. :)
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I don't have a problem with him not liking Blackmon, but I don't find his arguments compelling. He comes out with a statement that Blackmon is "too small and too slow", and when it is presented to him that Hakeem Nicks has basically the same measurables, his answer is that Blackmon "doesn't play big at all" and "has no chance downfield." One of Blackmon's main strengths is that he plays bigger than his size - you can google that quite easily, you can watch the game tape. I mean I have a hard time believing anyone, even a Blackmon doubter, would say he "doesn't play big." And saying he has "no chance downfield" doesn't even really make sense to me - does this mean he's so slow he'll never be able to get downfield? Again, he's about as fast as Hakeem Nicks, and again, you can read about his terrific burst off the line fairly easily, and watch his highlights to see how he gets downfield. He has great burst, hands and his speed is fine. Put him in space with the ball and he will kill you. I have no problem if someone doesn't think he's an elite talent, but I haven't seen one valid point from Johnny U yet - he keeps saying "too small and too slow" and "He's just like Crabtree", and I'm just not buying. But... we'll all find out eventually.
 
'JohnnyU said:
I didn't like him before the draft and I like him less now in JAX. He's a small WR with no speed. Yes, he is physical and will probably be a decent possession receiver, but not someone I want in the top 10.
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It is not a popular opinion, but I agree with you. There is so much value in rookie drafts with the QBs and RBs.
 
'JohnnyU said:
those of you thinking of him as a top WR #1 are way off. I think his ceiling is Boldin and floor is Braylon Edwards.
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Braylon Edwards has a ceiling higher than Boldin. So how does THAT work?Boldin: 102 Catches, 1402 Yards, 7 TDEdwards: 80 Catches, 1289 Yards, 16 TDs.Also, Braylon Edwards ran a 4.38. I thought you said that Blackmon is not fast, so how the heck is Edwards a comparison for him?
 
'gandalas said:
'JohnnyU said:
those of you thinking of him as a top WR #1 are way off. I think his ceiling is Boldin and floor is Braylon Edwards.
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Braylon Edwards has a ceiling higher than Boldin. So how does THAT work?Boldin: 102 Catches, 1402 Yards, 7 TDEdwards: 80 Catches, 1289 Yards, 16 TDs.Also, Braylon Edwards ran a 4.38. I thought you said that Blackmon is not fast, so how the heck is Edwards a comparison for him?
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when you compare a player to other players as ceilings and floors, you aren't comparing that player to those other players best season ever, you're comparing them to their career average/median of sorts. In which case, Braylons career average isn't very good.
 
'Time Kibitzer said:
'gandalas said:
'JohnnyU said:
those of you thinking of him as a top WR #1 are way off. I think his ceiling is Boldin and floor is Braylon Edwards.
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Braylon Edwards has a ceiling higher than Boldin. So how does THAT work?Boldin: 102 Catches, 1402 Yards, 7 TDEdwards: 80 Catches, 1289 Yards, 16 TDs.Also, Braylon Edwards ran a 4.38. I thought you said that Blackmon is not fast, so how the heck is Edwards a comparison for him?
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when you compare a player to other players as ceilings and floors, you aren't comparing that player to those other players best season ever, you're comparing them to their career average/median of sorts. In which case, Braylons career average isn't very good.
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It's lazy analysis either way. Hey, you're low on him, cool, but you offer really nothing to back it up. Actually, he goes on to project his ceiling has a top5 ppg WR for the next 6-7 years. Uhh, okay, talk about being all over the place. How about some projections?
 
There's gonna be people on both sides of every pick and player.

I like the player 1. He may not be the physical specimen some WRs are, but I don't remember a top WR since maybe Fitzgerald that has the work ethic and drive of Blackmon.

2. Jacksonville is not a bad situation. They have a young highly touted QB prospect; yes he sucked last season but he deserves at least one more season. Only one other offensive weapon in MJD. This team needs another playmaker and will try to shoehorn Blackmon into that role quick.

The guy will get every chance to put up numbers and with his physicality and work ethic, at the very least I see him being an NFL #2 WR and a fantasy #3 WR with a poor-man's TO upside (85/1100/8-10 for a long time)

 
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'cstu said:
'JohnnyU said:
'Fallerjw said:
Same size / speed as Hakeem Nicks. Bigger than Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Victor Cruz, Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Pierre Garçon, etc
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That means nothing. He won't get separation at the next level and is no threat down field. He may be a good Anquan Boldin type WR and that isn't a bad thing, but top 10, no way.
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When Boldin was healthy he was a top 10 WR and probably top 5 in PPR in PPG.
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:goodposting: Boldin:

was NFL Offensive Rookie of the year

was the only rookie selected to the 2004 pro bowl

holds record for most receptions during the first 26 games of his career (157)

was the fastest player in NFL history to record 500 receptions

has been to three pro bowls

If you are saying Blackmon is Boldin, I think Blackmon would take that.

 
Is this the thread that will get bumped in 2015 when Blackmon is the top 3 WR off the board in redraft leagues?

 
So reading comments of those "naysayers" of a particular player are beneficial to me when they provide a reason to either look into or provide a sufficient argument in itself.
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I basically agree with this premise....but haven't seen either of the bolded happening in this thread by the originator."This guy will suck cuz I said so" isn't a very compelling argument and it certainly wouldn't move me to go investigate the player if it were someone I hadn't looked into closely already.

 
Jaguars' Justin Blackmon will be most impactful offensive rookie

By Bucky Brooks NFL.com

Analyst

The proliferation of the passing game in the NFL has made it imperative to have a No. 1 receiver on the roster to compete with the elite teams in the league.

The lead receiver is now the second-most important offensive position in the game (behind quarterback). In many cases, the No. 1 wideout enhances an elite quarterback's ability to pick apart the league's top defenses, while also serving as the primary playmaker on offense. In other instances, the presence of a dynamic go-to target can mask a serious deficiency at quarterback and allow an offense to thrive despite questionable play from the signal-caller.

In Jacksonville, the arrival of Justin Blackmon should ignite an offense that struggled mightily a season ago with a shaky Blaine Gabbert under center, putting the Jaguars in position to compete in the AFC South.

Some will certainly scoff at the notion of Blackmon making a major difference on the offense, due to the Jaguars' suspect quarterback play. But here are three reasons why the rookie playmaker will make the biggest impact of any offensive rookie in the league:

1) Blackmon is the quintessential No. 1 receiver.

The term "No. 1 receiver" has been loosely applied to productive receivers throughout the league, but the role requires more than putting up big numbers at the position. A true No. 1 serves as the anchor of the passing game and flashes the ability to dominate the game with his playmaking skills on the perimeter. From moving the chains on critical third-down receptions to providing big plays on vertical routes, a No. 1 receiver routinely sparks an offense.

In Blackmon, the Jaguars have landed the most dominant receiver in college football. He was an unstoppable force in the Big 12, compiling 252 receptions for 3,564 yards and 40 touchdowns in an illustrious career at Oklahoma State. Most of that production was compiled over the past two seasons, when opponents knew Blackmon was the Cowboys' top option, yet found few solutions for slowing him down on the perimeter.

I witnessed the difficulty of defending Blackmon when I watched Oklahoma State and Stanford duke it out at the Fiesta Bowl in January. Blackmon was unquestionably the best player on the field on that day, and deservedly walked away with the MVP award after finishing with eight receptions, 186 yards and three touchdowns. That's quite a feat, considering the outstanding performances of fellow first-round picks Andrew Luck and Brandon Weeden in that contest.

When I evaluated Blackmon's college tape, I saw a routinely dominant playmaker with exceptional skills. At 6-foot-1, 215 pounds, Blackmon is a big, physical pass catcher with outstanding hands and ball skills. He excels at using his size and strength to create separation from defenders at the top of routes, and is at his best when working over the middle of the field. Blackmon is not a polished route runner, but routinely runs away from defenders on in-breaking routes like slants and square-ins. As a runner, Blackmon shows extraordinary strength and explosiveness with the ball in his hands. He blows through arm tackles and has a knack for turning short passes into big gains in the open field.

In looking at weaknesses in Blackmon's game, I would point to his lack of elite speed. He is not a world-class sprinter on the perimeter, so he will need to incorporate some deception (double moves and/or play-action fakes) to run past elite corners in the NFL on vertical routes. However, this is only a problem if the Jaguars miscast him as the designated deep threat in the passing game.

If Blackmon is placed in his customary role where he is able to run an assortment of short and intermediate routes over the middle of the field, there is no reason why he can't deliver the kind of performance in Jacksonville to remind those fans of the great Jimmy Smith in his heyday.

2) Blackmon has a superb teacher in Jerry Sullivan.

For all of the talent that Blackmon brings to the field, it will be his mentality that determines how quickly he becomes a dominant player in the NFL. Fortunately for him, he will learn the nuances of the game from one of the finest position coaches in the league.

Sullivan, a 19-year NFL coaching veteran, has a distinguished track record for developing young receivers. He has mentored the likes of Anthony Miller, Tony Martin, Herman Moore, Germane Crowell, David Boston and Anquan Boldin, while earning the reputation as one of the game's finest teachers.

In watching Sullivan tutor receivers on the practice field in the past, it has been his attention to detail that stands out in my mind. From emphasizing the importance of running out of the break on comebacks to "stacking" defenders following an effective bump-and-run release, Sullivan points out the subtleties that allow receivers to consistently work open against tight coverage. In addition, he conveys the importance of depth and spacing against zone coverage.

Sullivan's presence will certainly accelerate Blackmon's development and help him thrive as the Jaguars' No. 1 receiver from Day 1. Blackmon wasn't the best route runner at Oklahoma State, but rather an explosive athlete with a keen understanding of how to use his physical tools to get open. Although those tactics were overwhelmingly successful against collegians, Blackmon will need more tools in his tool box to defeat the elite cornerbacks in the NFL. Sullivan will help him develop those skills, which could lead to big numbers from Blackmon in Year 1.

Sullivan's experience as an offensive coordinator will also help Blackmon make a significant impact on the Jaguars' offense. As the Arizona Cardinals' play caller in 2003, Sullivan directed an offense that featured Boldin prominently in the game plan, helping him finish third in the NFL in receptions (101) and receiving yards (1,377) on the way to being named the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. While he won't play a major role in calling plays for the Jags on game day, his ability to suggest proper utilization of the Jaguars' new No. 1 wideout will prove invaluable.

3) The wide receivers are the primary playmakers in Mike Mularkey's system.

For all of the talk about Mularkey being a proponent of run-first football, his history as an offensive coordinator suggests that he loves to put the ball in the hands of his playmakers on the perimeter.

Mularkey once directed a Pittsburgh Steelers offense that featured a pair of 1,000-yard receivers in Plaxico Burress and Hines Ward in consecutive seasons with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox at quarterback. He most recently worked his magic in Atlanta by orchestrating a Falcons offense that featured a 4,000-yard passer, a 1,000-yard rusher and three pass catchers with 50-plus receptions.

Roddy White, the Falcons' No. 1 receiver, tallied 100-plus catches for the second straight season and surpassed the 1,000-yard mark for the fifth consecutive year. Most impressively, rookie Julio Jones led all rookies in touchdown receptions (8), while ranking second and third in receptions (54) and receiving yards (959), respectively, in only 13 starts.

Mularkey will exploit Blackmon's strengths as a playmaker by routinely aligning him in spots where he can take advantage of his size and power against defenders on the perimeter. Mularkey will also feature short and deep crossing routes to get the ball to Blackmon on the move and capitalize on his explosive running skills. He utilized similar tactics in Atlanta to get White and Jones untracked in Atlanta.

Given Mularkey's track record for getting excellent production from his pass catchers, I believe Blackmon is primed for an outstanding rookie season in Jacksonville.
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So reading comments of those "naysayers" of a particular player are beneficial to me when they provide a reason to either look into or provide a sufficient argument in itself.
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I basically agree with this premise....but haven't seen either of the bolded happening in this thread by the originator."This guy will suck cuz I said so" isn't a very compelling argument and it certainly wouldn't move me to go investigate the player if it were someone I hadn't looked into closely already.
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To be fair, its about as solid as the arguments from the people that post and say a guy is going to be great because they just drafted him in their rookie draft.Its easy to come on here and say a highly touted player will be great and challenge a person to prove them wrong before the player has ever played a game because the "naysayers" have no ammunition except their own thought process and when the arguments get cranked up a few notches, the touters can always play the trump card that is "Dude, you're just a guy..with an opinion" and then go sit back and force the naysayers to wait.

But the truth is there ARE lots of highly touted players that never reach anywehre near what people pump them up to be. But those guys get forgotten because by the time its proven, there are hosts of other players that are more popular to talk about. And then, of course, if the naysayer is right, the only thing they can do is dig up a 3 year old thread and say "I was right". But then, of course, that person gets called a troll and gets tossed under a bridge.

I have found over the years that its never smart to be the guy that comes out and says "hey! Didn't I tell you about Roy Williams and Steve Slaton...even after they looked so good that 1st year?" Its smarter to just nod your head, agree, help pump up the artificial value of the guys that you think/know aren't worth it, and then use that to your advantage.

 
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'Novice2 said:
Is this the thread that will get bumped in 2015 when Blackmon is the top 3 WR off the board in redraft leagues?
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I like Blackmon and his situation, but I highly doubt that he ever becomes a FF WR1. I think he's gonna be a rock solid WR2 that you can plug into your lineup and not worry for years.
 
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