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Texans 2014 off & pre season thread (1 Viewer)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Gonna be a boring thread, since we already know what happened in 2004.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Shoot, you fixed it.
coolnerd
Footballguy
coolnerd
Footballguy
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Don't know much about the Texans, but after Andre and Hopkins, who do they have at WR? Homers, is this thought of locally as an area of need to address in the draft?
Good question. I don't think 4th Round pick Keyshawn Martin will win the slot position in O'Brien's offense. He has terrible hands. 3rd rounder Devier Posey didn't show much last year in return from his Achilles injury. Granted, boneheaded Kubiak didn't play him much. But I'm not sure he's fast enough to play the slot either. Behind that, we have unproven guys in Alan Bonner and Alex?Lemon I think. Lemon looked good in preseason but went on IR. Bonner, 6th rounder in 2013, got hurt early and never played. He supposedly runs good routes, but that's all we know. I imagine Bill O'Brien will try to find his Edelman late in the draft. But I posed this question in the other texans thread: if Allen Robinson is there at the top of the 3rd (unlikely) should the Texans spend that pick on him? There are many other positions of much greater need, but the kid thrived under O'Brien. Could Robinson play the slot? It would give the Texans a loaded WR corps, and double their chances of finding an heir to Andre Johnson, with hopefully Hopkins or Robinson reaching a high tier. I doubt they'll take a WR before round 5 though.
GregR
Footballguy
I can't claim enough of an informed opinion about Robinson vs the other players who might be available there to offer much of an opinion. I'm not against taking a WR there if they think that's the best player at the pick. We are not going to have too many more years of Andre Johnson unfortunately, and with Owen Daniels gone, another receiving option is even more important.
That said, if it was between a WR and a RT they have ranked equally, I'd rather go RT this year and get the O-line in place and time to gel together.
That said, if it was between a WR and a RT they have ranked equally, I'd rather go RT this year and get the O-line in place and time to gel together.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
You answered this well. O'brien has stated directly that he does not have a slot WR (versus 3rd) on the squad now. Whether that means he needs dudes to play better or he does not like the people in play was not clear. I can speculate them drafting that type of guy and maybe even higher than we suspect.
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/QUOTES-GM-Rick-Smith-press-conference/5a9db12f-7d19-406c-8fc2-4c7e9b00066b
Rick smith talking a lot and saying nothing
Rick smith talking a lot and saying nothing
coolnerd
Footballguy
Team visits
1. Bortles
2. Manziel
3. Bridgewater
4. Clowney
5. Khalil Mack
6. Greg Robinson
7. Lonnie Ballentine, S Memphis
8. Chaz Sutton, DL, South Carolina
9. Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech
10. Jason Verrett, DB, TCU
11. Dee Ford
12. Demetri Goodson, CB, Baylor
13. Stephon Tuitt, Defensive End, Notre Dame
14. Jimmy Garoppalo, QB
15. Blake Annen, TE, Cincinnati
16. Jimmie Ward, DB, Northern Illinois
contacts
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State (COM)
Aaron Donald, DL, Pittsburgh (COM)
C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (PRO)
Demetri Goodson%, DB, Baylor (LOC) (COM)
Ra'Shede Hageman, DL, Minnesota (SR)
Allen Hurns, WR, MIami (PRO)
Jon Krause, WR, Vanderbilt (PRO)
James Logan, WR, Ole Miss (PRO)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)
Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM)
Jordan Tripp, LB, Montana (SR)
1. Bortles
2. Manziel
3. Bridgewater
4. Clowney
5. Khalil Mack
6. Greg Robinson
7. Lonnie Ballentine, S Memphis
8. Chaz Sutton, DL, South Carolina
9. Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech
10. Jason Verrett, DB, TCU
11. Dee Ford
12. Demetri Goodson, CB, Baylor
13. Stephon Tuitt, Defensive End, Notre Dame
14. Jimmy Garoppalo, QB
15. Blake Annen, TE, Cincinnati
16. Jimmie Ward, DB, Northern Illinois
contacts
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State (COM)
Aaron Donald, DL, Pittsburgh (COM)
C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (PRO)
Demetri Goodson%, DB, Baylor (LOC) (COM)
Ra'Shede Hageman, DL, Minnesota (SR)
Allen Hurns, WR, MIami (PRO)
Jon Krause, WR, Vanderbilt (PRO)
James Logan, WR, Ole Miss (PRO)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)
Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM)
Jordan Tripp, LB, Montana (SR)
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Theoretically, if Derek Carr drops to the 2nd round, is he off the table?
My guess is Texans stay at 1.01 and take Clowney or trade back to 5-10 or so. Clowney goes 1.01 to someone. If trade back, they don't take a QB.
Texans trade up from 2.01 (33) into late 1st to take a QB to take advantage of 5th year option deal, plus multiple QB's will have come off the board and they get antsy.
Texans trade up from 2.01 (33) into late 1st to take a QB to take advantage of 5th year option deal, plus multiple QB's will have come off the board and they get antsy.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I believe so. The Texans have said differently publically, but I just don't see bringing in another for the fan base not to give him a fair shake. he would have to be All-Pro level from his 1st pass.
I was thinking this too but more and more I think they would only trade back up if they've already traded down. While a 5th year option is nice, I don't think its worth the 3.01 or even the 4.01. You can get very good players with those picks on either line or a DB or a RB.
Plus spending the 2.01 on a QB and having him turn out to not be the answer is not necessarily a regime killer if your other picks and performance on the field are positive. Spending valuable picks trading up for a guy and him failing would be IMO.
I totally agree with you but I think that's too logical an approach. If they pass on QB at 1.01, they are likely in love with some QB's and if those start to go off the board or they get a sense that they can't get the exact one they want at 2.01, they will trade up to ensure they get him.
Trading a 3rd or 4th to move up seems like madness, but it happens all the time.
Trading a 3rd or 4th to move up seems like madness, but it happens all the time.
GregR
Footballguy
They have their board set, but I think trading down is what they intend, as long as someone is willing to give up enough.
I'd still guess Clowney if they make the pick and keep the player. Very possible anyone they do draft will be traded to a team who takes a player they want assuming one's still available.
jurb26
Footballguy
That would pretty much put to rest the Clowney vs. Mack debate. It really isn't much of a debate to begin with, though.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Screw the scheme...get the best players and tailor your scheme to their strengths (didnt O'Brien allude to this somewhat in his introductory presser?)
Put me on the record as NOT being a fan of selecting Clowney. I still want us to somehow get Bridgewater. Maybe not at #1 overall, but if he truly does fall (I doubt he's out of the top 10) then I would absolutely be willing to trade up for him In the 20's.
Home Run if we trade down and still get Mack.
Home Run if we trade down and still get Mack.
coolnerd
Footballguy
O'brien has said that he expected them to be in some sort of nickle/dime package 65 to 70 percent of the time. 3/4 versus 4/3 debate is actually overrated in that sense.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Big fan of the trade down option, especially if we end up with Bridgewater somewhere in there
McClain was beating this stupid scheme fit drum all offseason until he finally pulled his head out of his ###. He even went so far as to say Watt doesn't fit Romeo's 3-4 scheme either.
I forget who said it when I posted the quote in the previous 2013 thread, but it was basically "Show me a defensive coordinator who can't fit Watt and Clowney into his defense and I'll show you a bad defensive coordinator"
I'm all for a trade down as well but it takes 2 to tango. We got skewered for the Mario pick and one of the many arguments blasting us back then was we should have traded down. Then surprise surprise, Casserly comes out months later and admits they talked to every team behind them and no one was interested. Part of that was due to the old CBA but I think it's still a valid point.
Faust
MVP
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steveski
Footballguy
So the Texans have hinted at taking Clowney, Mack or a QB at the 1st overall spot. I bet they've known for a while now who they're taking if they keep the 1st pick. They're just trying to scare the teams in the 2-5 spot to trade up. I can't wait until Thursday to see how wrong all the predictions are.
jurb26
Footballguy
I agree. They are taking Clowney at 1 if they can't trade. The problem is they want to trade the pick and raising the demand of other players increases the value of their position. I'm betting Atl is the only team coming to the table right now and they want more leverage to get a RG4 deal.
dhockster
Footballguy
So the most likely scenarios seem to be the following:
-Stay at number one and draft Clowney, Manziel or Mack
-If you take Clowney, possibly trading him to a team that can select the player they want if he falls to that team
-Trading down and probably taking a QB, or maybe a tackle if Robinson or Matthews fall. Clowney and Mack will probably not be there if the Texans trade down.
Which one do you prefer?
Since this is a deep draft, I prefer the trade down. If I had to guess what the Texans are going to do, I think they are going to trade down and take Bortles because he is the kind of QB O'Brien supposedly likes. I think the trade down
will not bring as much in return as previous trade downs have. The Texans will be ridiculed by the national media for not getting enough.
And Charlie Casserly should be prohibited from ever being able to speak about the Texans ever again, as penalty for some of the awful draft picks he made.
-Stay at number one and draft Clowney, Manziel or Mack
-If you take Clowney, possibly trading him to a team that can select the player they want if he falls to that team
-Trading down and probably taking a QB, or maybe a tackle if Robinson or Matthews fall. Clowney and Mack will probably not be there if the Texans trade down.
Which one do you prefer?
Since this is a deep draft, I prefer the trade down. If I had to guess what the Texans are going to do, I think they are going to trade down and take Bortles because he is the kind of QB O'Brien supposedly likes. I think the trade down
will not bring as much in return as previous trade downs have. The Texans will be ridiculed by the national media for not getting enough.
And Charlie Casserly should be prohibited from ever being able to speak about the Texans ever again, as penalty for some of the awful draft picks he made.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
My favorite scenario is taking Clowney and having Bridgewater slide to a place where we can get him too....cant imagine we'd be so lucky so I wouldnt mind a trade down either
cstu
Footballguy
I would hate to be Rick Smith if they end up with a disappointing Bortles who gets crushed twice a year against the Jags' Clowney..
dhockster
Footballguy
Agreed, but I don't see any way the Jags end up with Clowney in that scenario. If the Texans have traded down, then the team they traded with probably took Clowney. If they didn't take Clowney, then I could see the Rams trading down with a team that wants Clowney (or taking Clowney themselves).
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dhockster
Footballguy
Interesting. So they would then probably take Clowney or Mack number 1, or trade down and hope Matthews falls to them. Then they can probably pick up more quality picks by trading down from 33 on day 2.
I would not mind this as a way to go, if Glennon is someone that O'Brien thinks he can work with.
Faust
MVP
Video Link:
Charley Casserly: I have Johnny Manziel out of first round
FYI Casserly hedges his bets by stating that the Rams could be "wild card contenders" to take Manziel, and he also hedges by stating that all bets are off if an NFL team owner steps in and tells the front office to take a QB in the first round.
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