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Beanie Wells mad about role (1 Viewer)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Props to the OP for posting this, props to post #2 for making me laugh, and props to post #3 for a good laugh too.
Max Power
Footballguy
Are you serious here? Sounds like Beanie just wants to play.
Beanie should be upset. He's an elite talent that isn't being used as one. When the passing game is playing as poorly as it has been this season I don't understand why Whisenhunt isn't trying to lean more on his running game to pick up the slack. 5 carries for a back like Beanie is unacceptable regardless of ball security issues. AP has had cases of ball security issues too but you don't see the Vikings shying away from giving him the ball.
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exactly what i was thinking........... the guy "tweaks" something every time he actually plays meaningful snaps.. meanwhile Hightower puts up similar numbers (even if he doesn't "look" as talented) and is there for every game.With the way the offense is playing, I think Wells lack of check down catch ability vs Hightower and his blitz pickup ability keeps him on the bench.
Wells has never shown the ability to be a week in and week out stud like AP....... there is a big difference.I agree they need to pound it more, but maybe Wells just doesn't show the staff enough in all phases of the game.
The morons that make up the Cardinals coaching staff don't give him the opportunity to show that he can (or can't) do that though yet they're somehow in love with Tim Hightower. If they don't want to use Beanie like a starting RB then why waste a 1st round pick on him? Based on the second half of last season Beanie sure seemed like a stud RB and last week when he was supposedly in line for a small role he showed no ill-effects and outplayed the team's hand picked starter and yet this week he's rewarded with a 1st quarter sit down and 5 lousy carries.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
No props for me because you think I'm wearing a cross, right?
Adrian Peterson averaged 5.6 ypc, for over 1,300 yards rushing, and set the single game rushing record for the NFL his rookie year. These two are just not comparable.
Max Power
Footballguy
Talent wise they are. How they are used, they aren't though.I'd still give the edge to Peterson, but the gap isn't nearly as big as you seem to think it is.
flooredyas
Footballguy
The Cardinals are a team in total disarray. Whis rode Warner into legendary status in Arizona and with him gone, the truth will become quite relevant. That being, he is NOT a good coach, one that can teach players to become good or even better.
I want to add more, but I think this isn't the place.
I want to add more, but I think this isn't the place.
I don't own Beenie, and in my main 2 leagues the same guy owns Beenie, so i doubt i can get him cheaply. But i certianly will try. Hopefully this news causes his value to collapse.
Talent wise I don't know many backs better than Beenie Wells. Remember, this is only his 2nd year. I don't think we can assume anyone is injury prone or "breaks every time" this early. Let's wait until year 3 or 4 before making such assumptions. Talent wise, he is absolutely a monster. If he can get into the right situation, you know, a situation where he will get 25 touches per game, and can stay healthy, I think Beenie is a top 5 back. His talent is certainly that good. I can't think of more than 3-4 backs in the league with more talent than Beenie. It would be ADP, CJ and Ray Rice. Perhaps MJD is in the argument as well.
This guy is a guy you want in dynasty leagues. That's the league i'm attempting to get him in. The question is, what do i give up? Before yesterday, the guy was willing to give me Beenie for Vick, and i should have made that move. I decided stupidly not to. Now i'm a bit stuck.
Talent wise I don't know many backs better than Beenie Wells. Remember, this is only his 2nd year. I don't think we can assume anyone is injury prone or "breaks every time" this early. Let's wait until year 3 or 4 before making such assumptions. Talent wise, he is absolutely a monster. If he can get into the right situation, you know, a situation where he will get 25 touches per game, and can stay healthy, I think Beenie is a top 5 back. His talent is certainly that good. I can't think of more than 3-4 backs in the league with more talent than Beenie. It would be ADP, CJ and Ray Rice. Perhaps MJD is in the argument as well.
This guy is a guy you want in dynasty leagues. That's the league i'm attempting to get him in. The question is, what do i give up? Before yesterday, the guy was willing to give me Beenie for Vick, and i should have made that move. I decided stupidly not to. Now i'm a bit stuck.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Not only is this line of thinking completely unoriginal, it is also extremely false. Lest actual stats get in the way of pre-conceived ideas, here are the number of fumbles each has:2009:
THT - 5 fumbles, 5 lost on 148 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 176 carries
2010 -
THT - 2 fumbles, 2 lost on 42 carries
Wells - 0 fumbles, 0 lost on 19 carries
Total Since Wells came into the league:
THT - 7 fumbles, 7 lost on 190 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 195 carries
Put another way, THT has given the opposing team the ball 1 time per 27 carries, while Wells has done so 1 in 65. Or put yet another way, Hightower is 240% more likely to turn the ball over than Wells....but don't let actual facts get in the way of your analysis.
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geoff8695
Footballguy
Seems like you only dealt with half the equation...Where's the side by side comparison of THT to Wells 'games missed' and 'left early due to injuries'. I'll hang up and listen for your response.Not only is this line of thinking completely unoriginal, it is also extremely false. Lest actual stats get in the way of pre-conceived ideas, here are the number of fumbles each has:
2009:
THT - 5 fumbles, 5 lost on 148 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 176 carries
2010 -
THT - 2 fumbles, 2 lost on 42 carries
Wells - 0 fumbles, 0 lost on 19 carries
Total Since Wells came into the league:
THT - 7 fumbles, 7 lost on 190 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 195 carries
Put another way, THT has given the opposing team the ball 1 time per 27 carries, while Wells has done so 1 in 65. Or put yet another way, Hightower is 240% more likely to turn the ball over than Wells....but don't let actual facts get in the way of your analysis.
so a coach shouldnt play a guy bc he might get hurt and then not be able to play.Seems like you only dealt with half the equation...Where's the side by side comparison of THT to Wells 'games missed' and 'left early due to injuries'. I'll hang up and listen for your response.
footballnerd
Footballguy
when you're getting whooped 41-10 you're not going to get very many carries, Beanie.
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Inspiration
Footballguy
Through four weeks Arizona ranks 3rd in yards per rushing attempt (5.4) and 32nd in rushing attempts per game (18.5).
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DoubleG
Footballguy
so a coach shouldnt play a guy bc he might get hurt and then not be able to play.Seems like you only dealt with half the equation...Where's the side by side comparison of THT to Wells 'games missed' and 'left early due to injuries'. I'll hang up and listen for your response.
and there's the other half.
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Where's the side by side comparison of how bad Hightower sucks at being an NFL running back. For all this talk about how great he is the guy doesn't get 7 tds/rec, is below 4 yds/rush, and can't hold on to the football to save his life. And his alleged pass protection ability is probably bunk as well. I watch every game and see nothing special about chipping a guy and then going out to catch a ball that HAS to be thrown your way because you basically just let a guy go by you. The ONLY reason he even sees the field is because Beanie got dinged up at the perfect times.Seems like you only dealt with half the equation...Where's the side by side comparison of THT to Wells 'games missed' and 'left early due to injuries'. I'll hang up and listen for your response.
so you think beanie wells has similar talent to AP ?...not to mention its a bit tough to give carries to your rb who cant pass protect or catch on third down when youre getting blown out.
ding ding ding. beanie is a two-down back who is not very useful when the cards are behind so muchwhen you're getting whooped 41-10 you're not going to get very many carries, Beanie.
I've never seen an ownage in real time before. Thanks for the treat.
2009:
THT - 5 fumbles, 5 lost on 148 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 176 carries
2010 -
THT - 2 fumbles, 2 lost on 42 carries
Wells - 0 fumbles, 0 lost on 19 carries
Total Since Wells came into the league:
THT - 7 fumbles, 7 lost on 190 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 195 carries
Put another way, THT has given the opposing team the ball 1 time per 27 carries, while Wells has done so 1 in 65. Or put yet another way, Hightower is 240% more likely to turn the ball over than Wells....but don't let actual facts get in the way of your analysis.
DoubleG
Footballguy
You apparently don't realize that in the last two seasons, their catch % is almost identical (THT is 77.8%, Wells 76.5%). Lack of using Wells, doesn't mean lack of talent on his part.Please submit this plethora of video showing THT's brilliant pass blocking vs. Wells'. TIA.
right, so you dont think that not using wells enough could not imply hightower is better ?I mean, I'm sure some RB in the league had a higher % catch on much fewer catches than guys like gore, best or vintage westbrook has had, and yet it is not indicative of the fact that they are better. In fact, if you don't mind, can you provide me with a source of your info ?and I am not submitting anything, this is absurd. If you want to see good evaluations, go to PFF and see for yourself. the coaching staff and everyone who watches football has repeatedly said that wells is only learning how to block, and while he is getting better at it, hightower is one of the better blockers in the league.
by_the_sea_wannabe
:sj:
Thank you,
Mr. Rooney for selecting Tomlin instead of the Wiz
Mr. Rooney for selecting Tomlin instead of the Wiz
Lord Lucan
Footballguy
Maybe somebody has pointed out to Wells that the Cardinals' last three first-round RB picks - Garrison Hearst, Michael Pittman and Thomas Jones - all did rather better after they left Arizona, and he's working a manoeuvre here?
DoubleG
Footballguy
:( They're the ones using actual stats instead of replying with falsely assumed generalizations that have been posted or published but have no basis in actual fact and are simply being regurgitated because uninformed Hightower owners either hope or assume they are true.
habsfan
Footballguy
They showed their "love" for Hightower by giving him 7 carries, a whopping 2 more than Beanie. This isn't a spat about share of the workload, there was no workload. Beanie wants the Cards to run more, which is what RBs always want their teams to do. I didn't see the game but from the box scores, that didn't look too feasible.J-Dawg said:
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
by_the_sea_wannabe said:
The outcome would be the same.ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
If Wells so much as dreams he is as good as Peterson, he better wake up and apologize.Max Power said:
Franknbeans
Footballguy
elite talent my @#$ Beanie. Nice nickname, pal.
Not to quibble, but it's 7 fumbles with 6 lost for Hightower.Since this year is a work in progress, let's look at last year's stats:DoubleG said:Easy Six said:Not only is this line of thinking completely unoriginal, it is also extremely false. Lest actual stats get in the way of pre-conceived ideas, here are the number of fumbles each has:
2009:
THT - 5 fumbles, 5 lost on 148 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 176 carries
2010 -
THT - 2 fumbles, 2 lost on 42 carries
Wells - 0 fumbles, 0 lost on 19 carries
Total Since Wells came into the league:
THT - 7 fumbles, 7 lost on 190 carries
Wells - 4 fumbles, 3 lost on 195 carries
Put another way, THT has given the opposing team the ball 1 time per 27 carries, while Wells has done so 1 in 65. Or put yet another way, Hightower is 240% more likely to turn the ball over than Wells....but don't let actual facts get in the way of your analysis.
Hightower: 211 touches (since he had 63 reception) 5 fumbles, 4 lost - 1 fumble per 42.2
Wells: 188 touches (12 receptions) 4 fumbles, 3 lost - 1 fumble per 47
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Apparently Ken Whisenhunt doesn't have Beanie on his fantasy team.Clifton said:
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Nice sample size. Outside of his 80 yard run Hightower is averaging 3.7 YPC. LSH has 9 carries. 9 carries. Surely you are better than this.If they all would get 200 carries, who would your money be on?
THE SNOWMAN
Footballguy
fightingillini
Footballguy
Look, its clear to me that Wells is the more talented RB than Hightower. Nobody is arguing that point. But it is clear, so far in Wells' career, that he can't handle the full load due to being injury prone. So no matter how much Beanie whines, Hightower is going to see significant action. Wells is going to need to show some durability for an extended period of time before he's going to get featured back amount of carries, say 20 a game.
The problem that I see is why AZ doesn't run the ball a lot more. AZ should be running the ball 25+ times a game. I don't understand why Wells and Hightower can't get 10-15 carries each.
The problem that I see is why AZ doesn't run the ball a lot more. AZ should be running the ball 25+ times a game. I don't understand why Wells and Hightower can't get 10-15 carries each.
Max Power
Footballguy
I assume he does. But like any competitor, when your team is losing and you are not getting in the game, Your first thought has to be "what am I not doing right?"Its probably mostly frustration, but I wouldn't look far into it.
