Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
Generally, what is or isn't a crime is a question of law left to the individual states. And, for the most part, corporal punishment is, at least to an extent, criminalized in our states.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
Exactly. One swat is not intending to hurt his son. 15+ blows to a 5 year old boy that drew blood is intent to hurt. The boy arms were bloodied as well from trying to block the blows. How can a man, any kind of man keep on delivering blows to a screaming bleeding child?Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
You realize there are good parents who just happen to not be a good marital match, correct?Let us not forget that this kid is one of several from several different women. And AP probably only spends a week out of the year with the kid. He is NOT Dad to this kid. He is the sperm donor.
I'm not saying you can go around hitting kids if you're a full-time parent, but I'd bet this story would not have gotten out if AP was the parent of this kid 24/7-365.
WTF?Exactly. One swat is not intending to hurt his son. 15+ blows to a 5 year old boy that drew blood is intent to hurt. The boy arms were bloodied as well from trying to block the blows. How can a man, any kind of man keep on delivering blows to a screaming bleeding child?Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
i bet that there are cultures that are ok with this alsoI wasn't comparing what AP did to what Rice did, though, since you asked, I find them to equally disgusting.Tim, you're smarter than this. Can we please recognize that there's some nuance to these issues?I'm still amazed that
1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday
2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action
I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.
Does not make what AP did right. It disgusts me.
However, if you think that even abusive discipline of a parent equates to punching your wife out with a left hook, that's ridiculous. This is not a clear black and white issue. There is a large swarth of the culture for whom this is understandable, possibly even acceptable.
If anything, this can hopefully bring about a constructive dialogue so kids don't end up being beat like this (or at all).
But that wasn't at all the point of my post.
Hell, there are cultures that are ok with dousing your wife with gasoline and setting them afire or throwing acid in their face.i bet that there are cultures that are ok with this alsoI wasn't comparing what AP did to what Rice did, though, since you asked, I find them to equally disgusting.Tim, you're smarter than this. Can we please recognize that there's some nuance to these issues?I'm still amazed that
1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday
2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action
I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.
Does not make what AP did right. It disgusts me.
However, if you think that even abusive discipline of a parent equates to punching your wife out with a left hook, that's ridiculous. This is not a clear black and white issue. There is a large swarth of the culture for whom this is understandable, possibly even acceptable.
If anything, this can hopefully bring about a constructive dialogue so kids don't end up being beat like this (or at all).
But that wasn't at all the point of my post.
Why do I think that a lot of corporal punishment goes unpunished in a lot of those countries?Generally, what is or isn't a crime is a question of law left to the individual states. And, for the most part, corporal punishment is, at least to an extent, criminalized in our states.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
Get to work on it. I think it's definitely something worth dumping boatloads of your free time into.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
Because you possess a certain amount of logic?Why do I think that a lot of corporal punishment goes unpunished in a lot of those countries?Generally, what is or isn't a crime is a question of law left to the individual states. And, for the most part, corporal punishment is, at least to an extent, criminalized in our states.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
I think a lot of people are having problems with the meanings of words in here. I bet you would hurt if I popped you once with a switch.Exactly. One swat is not intending to hurt his son. 15+ blows to a 5 year old boy that drew blood is intent to hurt. The boy arms were bloodied as well from trying to block the blows. How can a man, any kind of man keep on delivering blows to a screaming bleeding child?Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
CBS 11 Houston reports Adrian Peterson is being investigated for another child abuse accusation involving one of his other sons.#KHOU #ITEAM Adrian Peterson investigated for another abuse accusation involving another one of his sons. More at 6! pic.twitter.com/dH4tad2ovk
sounds like a fun guy.CBS 11 Houston reports Adrian Peterson is being investigated for another child abuse accusation involving one of his other sons.#KHOU #ITEAM Adrian Peterson investigated for another abuse accusation involving another one of his sons. More at 6! pic.twitter.com/dH4tad2ovk
According to the news station, one of Peterson's four-year-old son's was disciplined by Peterson for cursing at one of his siblings. The boy sustained a scar over his right eye. Peterson has at least five children with multiple different women, and is believed to have as many as seven kids out of wedlock. If more information comes to light, the Vikings could discipline Peterson yet again.
The kind of man that fathers multiple kids with different women and has little to no involvement in their lives.Exactly. One swat is not intending to hurt his son. 15+ blows to a 5 year old boy that drew blood is intent to hurt. The boy arms were bloodied as well from trying to block the blows. How can a man, any kind of man keep on delivering blows to a screaming bleeding child?Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
So if the Vikings are handling this, we're talking anywhere from 5 to 7 games here as far as we (and AP) knows. Good to know.CBS 11 Houston reports Adrian Peterson is being investigated for another child abuse accusation involving one of his other sons.#KHOU #ITEAM Adrian Peterson investigated for another abuse accusation involving another one of his sons. More at 6! pic.twitter.com/dH4tad2ovk
According to the news station, one of Peterson's four-year-old son's was disciplined by Peterson for cursing at one of his siblings. The boy sustained a scar over his right eye. Peterson has at least five children with multiple different women, and is believed to have as many as seven kids out of wedlock. If more information comes to light, the Vikings could discipline Peterson yet again.
Because #### Cyprus, that's why.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
oh timmy1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
Do you think it is completely his choice?The kind of man that fathers multiple kids with different women and has little to no involvement in their lives.Exactly. One swat is not intending to hurt his son. 15+ blows to a 5 year old boy that drew blood is intent to hurt. The boy arms were bloodied as well from trying to block the blows. How can a man, any kind of man keep on delivering blows to a screaming bleeding child?Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
Many countries have immigration laws different than ours. Based on this logic we should implement those laws too.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
ouchMany countries have immigration laws different than ours. Based on this logic we should implement those laws too.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
All of those countries, except Israel (shocking) and Chile have also outlawed the death penalty. Good luck getting that done here, particularly in states like Texas, where they like their killing and spanking.1979 Sweden - 1972
1983 Finland - 1972
1987 Norway - 1979
1989 Austria - 1968
1994 Cyprus - 2002
1997 Denmark - 1978
1998 Latvia - 2012
1999 Croatia -1990
2000 Israel
2000 Germany - 1987
2000 Bulgaria - 1998
2003 Iceland - 1928
2004 Romania - 1989
2004 Ukraine - 1999
2005 Hungary -1990
2006 Greece - 2004
2007 Netherlands -1982
2007 New Zealand - 1989
2007 Portugal - 1976
2007 Uruguay - 1907
2007 Venezuela - 1863
2007 Chile -
2007 Spain - 1995
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
True, I could see the women not wanting him around to beat the kids. Either that, or he may be such a ##### that none of those women want to be married to an NFL superstar.Do you think it is completely his choice?The kind of man that fathers multiple kids with different women and has little to no involvement in their lives.Exactly. One swat is not intending to hurt his son. 15+ blows to a 5 year old boy that drew blood is intent to hurt. The boy arms were bloodied as well from trying to block the blows. How can a man, any kind of man keep on delivering blows to a screaming bleeding child?Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
Ladies: Send your kids to visit their dad, he'll send them back bloodied and scarred!True, I could see the women not wanting him around to beat the kids. Either that, or he may be such a ##### that none of those women want to be married to an NFL superstar.Do you think it is completely his choice?The kind of man that fathers multiple kids with different women and has little to no involvement in their lives.Exactly. One swat is not intending to hurt his son. 15+ blows to a 5 year old boy that drew blood is intent to hurt. The boy arms were bloodied as well from trying to block the blows. How can a man, any kind of man keep on delivering blows to a screaming bleeding child?Of course he was intending to hurt his son.I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
That is totalLet us not forget that this kid is one of several from several different women. And AP probably only spends a week out of the year with the kid. He is NOT Dad to this kid. He is the sperm donor.
I'm not saying you can go around hitting kids if you're a full-time parent, but I'd bet this story would not have gotten out if AP was the parent of this kid 24/7-365.
:applause:Many countries have immigration laws different than ours. Based on this logic we should implement those laws too.1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
He probably is if they are able to tie the two cases of him beating up his kids together. Just might take awhile.In many countries Adran Peterson would be headed for jail.
He is just biologically their father.That is totalLet us not forget that this kid is one of several from several different women. And AP probably only spends a week out of the year with the kid. He is NOT Dad to this kid. He is the sperm donor.
I'm not saying you can go around hitting kids if you're a full-time parent, but I'd bet this story would not have gotten out if AP was the parent of this kid 24/7-365.
So if you get divorced and your wife remarries you are no longer the kid's father?
There's way too much judgement in this thread. AP has had a lot of kids out of wedlock (four I believe) but has a relationship with all of them.
I think he meant the story would have not been there if he was married and a full-time dad. Which makes even less sense and is actually worse. Time with your kids buys you abuse cover?That is totalLet us not forget that this kid is one of several from several different women. And AP probably only spends a week out of the year with the kid. He is NOT Dad to this kid. He is the sperm donor.
I'm not saying you can go around hitting kids if you're a full-time parent, but I'd bet this story would not have gotten out if AP was the parent of this kid 24/7-365.
So if you get divorced and your wife remarries you are no longer the kid's father?
There's way too much judgement in this thread. AP has had a lot of kids out of wedlock (four I believe) but has a relationship with all of them.
The crime is knowingly driving while drinking. It's not as if you were driving for some "intended good" reason and ended up hurting someone.What if someone had zero intent of killing a person while driving home drunk. They need driving lessons?I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpgText reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."
Poor little fella.
Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.
Few good parents are cool with their kids growing up cussing like a sailor. But beating them in the head is a horrible choice to fix that.A whipping for cussing?
How have we not gotten past this arbitrary list of bad words yet?
1979 Sweden
1983 Finland
1987 Norway
1989 Austria
1994 Cyprus
1997 Denmark
1998 Latvia
1999 Croatia
2000 Israel
2000 Germany
2000 Bulgaria
2003 Iceland
2004 Romania
2004 Ukraine
2005 Hungary
2006 Greece
2007 Netherlands
2007 New Zealand
2007 Portugal
2007 Uruguay
2007 Venezuela
2007 Chile
2007 Spain
These are the countries that have outlawed corporal punishment, and the year they did it. In these countries, there is no debate about whether such treatment is "discipline" or abuse. It's all abuse, and it's illegal. Why don't we just make it illegal here?
I don't even think he knows how many kids he has.Wait. .. there's another kid?
Not from a morality standpoint but from a business one, these guys just have no sense whatsoever. Antonio Cromarte has 12 kids by eight different women, three of the kids are about the same age. So many of these guys end up going broke two or three years after football, mostly because of all these ####### kids they have on the payroll. Stupid.I don't even think he knows how many kids he has.Wait. .. there's another kid?
Peterson has never denied this is how he parents. He was never charged in the other case so he probably continued to think what he was doing was alright.Man AP has stepped in it now. Obviously he beats his kids. Probably a mix of him thinking it's ok, and him having a bit of a "I'm Adrian Peterson and I can do whatever I want" complex.
He probably rationalizes that it's ok because he was beaten and still loves his dad.
I think all his baby mommas are about to come out of the closet and he's gonna be cooked.
If I owned a team in the NFL I would give out 2M bonus for any player who gets a vasectomyNot from a morality standpoint but from a business one, these guys just have no sense whatsoever. Antonio Cromarte has 12 kids by eight different women, three of the kids are about the same age. So many of these guys end up going broke two or three years after football, mostly because of all these ####### kids they have on the payroll. Stupid.I don't even think he knows how many kids he has.Wait. .. there's another kid?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-corner/years-epic-irresponsibility-antonio-cromartie-figures-life-level-041622621.htmlNot from a morality standpoint but from a business one, these guys just have no sense whatsoever. Antonio Cromarte has 12 kids by eight different women, three of the kids are about the same age. So many of these guys end up going broke two or three years after football, mostly because of all these ####### kids they have on the payroll. Stupid.I don't even think he knows how many kids he has.Wait. .. there's another kid?
Good story, thanks for posting.http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-corner/years-epic-irresponsibility-antonio-cromartie-figures-life-level-041622621.htmlNot from a morality standpoint but from a business one, these guys just have no sense whatsoever. Antonio Cromarte has 12 kids by eight different women, three of the kids are about the same age. So many of these guys end up going broke two or three years after football, mostly because of all these ####### kids they have on the payroll. Stupid.I don't even think he knows how many kids he has.Wait. .. there's another kid?
I remember reading this. Good for him trying to sort out all the responsibility before its too late.
I also think I read he is now snipped.
did you cut back on the switch?Just got done putting my boys to bed. I was a little more patient with them tonight, held them a little closer, and told them I loved them a few extra times.