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In Germany, Obama Calls for World To Stand as One (1 Viewer)

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BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Standing before a massive crowd in a city that once symbolized division, Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday warned about the dangers of allowing new walls to come between the United States and its allies.

Sen. Barack Obama addresses a large crowd Thursday at the Victory Column in Berlin, Germany.

"People of the world -- look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one," Obama said at Berlin's Victory Column in the Tiergarten park.

"The fall of the Berlin Wall brought new hope. But that very closeness has given rise to new dangers -- dangers that cannot be contained within the borders of a country or by the distance of an ocean," he said.

Obama said people of all nations must stand together to face challenges of the 21st century -- from terrorism to global warming to genocide.

"We cannot afford to be divided. No one nation, no matter how large or powerful, can defeat such challenges alone. None of us can deny these threats or escape responsibility in meeting them," he said.

The greatest danger, Obama said, "is to allow new walls to divide us from one another." Read a transcript of the speech

Obama called on Europeans and Americans to join together to "defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it." Video Watch Obama call for unity »

"If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope," he said.

Obama started his speech by introducing himself as a "proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world."

Police estimated that more than 200,000 people came to watch the speech, according to The Associated Press. Video Watch the crowds wait for Obama »

Shortly before the address began, Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, chided Obama and said he'd rather give a speech in Germany as president than as a presidential candidate.

"So we're going to be campaigning across the heartland of America and talking about the issues that are challenging America today," McCain said outside a German restaurant in Columbus, Ohio.

In a statement issued after the speech, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said, "Barack Obama offered eloquent praise for this country, but the contrast is clear."

"While Barack Obama took a premature victory lap today in the heart of Berlin, proclaiming himself a 'citizen of the world,' John McCain continued to make his case to the American citizens who will decide this election.

"John McCain has dedicated his life to serving, improving and protecting America. Barack Obama spent an afternoon talking about it," he said.

The Democrat said earlier his address was not a "political rally."

Crowds gathered at the Victory Column to listen to musical acts in the hours leading up to Obama's arrival.

Obama originally had hoped to speak in front of the iconic Brandenburg Gate, where President Kennedy was photographed during a 1963 visit after the rise of the Berlin Wall. Expressing solidarity with the people of the divided city during the same trip, Kennedy declared, "Ich bin ein Berliner."

That phrase -- which means "I am a Berliner" -- expressed the unity of the West in the Cold War era.

The gate also was the site of a speech by President Reagan in 1987 in which he memorably urged Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to "tear down" the wall.

But use of the landmark apparently was vetoed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who a spokesman Wednesday said disapproved of plans to co-opt it as a "campaign backdrop."

Asked whether he looked to Reagan's and Kennedy's Berlin speeches for inspiration, Obama said, "They were presidents. I am a citizen."

"But obviously Berlin is representative of the extraordinary success of post-World War II effort to bring a continent together, to bring the West together -- East and West together," he said.

Nonetheless, as a youthful Democratic presidential hopeful who has promised change if elected and invoked comparisons with Kennedy, Obama's strategists hope a warm welcome from Germans will play well with voters.

Obama is in Germany for the latest leg of an international trip intended to bolster his foreign policy credentials at home and set out his vision for a new era of transatlantic cooperation.

So far, his trip has taken him to Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Israel and the Palestinian territories. Obama is expected to stop in France and Great Britain before returning to the United States.

Obama has said he is making the trip as a senator and not a presidential candidate.

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Robin Oakley, CNN's European political editor, said Obama enjoyed widespread popularity in Europe.

"He is one of those politicians who reaches parts other politicians don't reach," Oakley said. "After the unpopularity of George W. Bush, the world is waiting to love America again, and many see in Obama, with his youth and his optimism, somebody who can bring that about."
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :football: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.

 
Nonetheless, as a youthful Democratic presidential hopeful who has promised change if elected and invoked comparisons with Kennedy, Obama's strategists hope a warm welcome from Germans will play well with voters.
Could they kiss the pinko's ### a little more, please?
 
Obama's strategists hope a warm welcome from Germans will play well with voters.
Is this really a demographic? Are there undecided voters out there thinking, "I'm not sold on either McCain or Obama yet. If only I knew how the Germans felt."
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :thumbup: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
 
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This is such a welcome change from all of the politicians who've said that the world should be divided with walls everywhere.

 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :shrug:
 
Did Chris Matthews get another tingle up his leg and/or has he declared this speech a must-read for 8th graders?

 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :shrug: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:confused: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :shrug:
And I merely answered your question slugger.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :shrug:
Didnt McCain already do this? Like when he had Joe Lieberman correct him on AQ and Iran and how he met with Israel, but nobody from the Palestinian Territories
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :shrug: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:confused: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :shrug:
Didnt McCain already do this? Like when he had Joe Lieberman correct him on AQ and Iran and how he met with Israel, but nobody from the Palestinian Territories
That was different.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :shrug:
And I merely answered your question slugger.
No you didn't. You turned my question into an attack on McCain. I'm not trying to attack Obama. I have made no indications as to who I am voting for so there is no reason to believe my question was an attempt to attack Obama. It was simply asking if any other candidate prior to this election had gone on a world tour. That's all, brother.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :thumbup: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:goodposting: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.
I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :goodposting: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :thumbup:
And I merely answered your question slugger.
No you didn't. You turned my question into an attack on McCain. I'm not trying to attack Obama. I have made no indications as to who I am voting for so there is no reason to believe my question was an attempt to attack Obama. It was simply asking if any other candidate prior to this election had gone on a world tour. That's all, brother.
No I added that as the part I found funny. I am almost insulted you counted that as an attack, I attack much better than that my friend.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :thumbup: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:goodposting: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.
I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.
I think it was extra cool that his campaign sent him to Germany during the love festival. There were 200,000 people there for that, and it makes for a fantastic photo op for their guy. A borderline genius move by his campaign staff.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:shrug: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.
I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.
It does seem to be paying off so far, at least from what we see in the media. I'm just trying to picture a candidate from another country coming over to the US and giving speeches and such. Wouldn't that seem odd?
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :shrug: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :confused:
And I merely answered your question slugger.
No you didn't. You turned my question into an attack on McCain. I'm not trying to attack Obama. I have made no indications as to who I am voting for so there is no reason to believe my question was an attempt to attack Obama. It was simply asking if any other candidate prior to this election had gone on a world tour. That's all, brother.
No I added that as the part I found funny. I am almost insulted you counted that as an attack, I attack much better than that my friend.
Attack is a strong word. My apologies. But you know what I mean.
 
So this new world order stuff isn't bothering anyone at all, huh? I mean I thought Ric Flair was great, way better than Hogan. But seriously, if you want to put the antichrist in office go right ahead. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :shrug: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. :confused:
And I merely answered your question slugger.
No you didn't. You turned my question into an attack on McCain. I'm not trying to attack Obama. I have made no indications as to who I am voting for so there is no reason to believe my question was an attempt to attack Obama. It was simply asking if any other candidate prior to this election had gone on a world tour. That's all, brother.
No I added that as the part I found funny. I am almost insulted you counted that as an attack, I attack much better than that my friend.
Attack is a strong word. My apologies. But you know what I mean.
I had a little fun with McCain and his Doh! strategy. I am sorry you took it so seriously.
 
So this new world order stuff isn't bothering anyone at all, huh? I mean I thought Ric Flair was great, way better than Hogan. But seriously, if you want to put the antichrist in office go right ahead. Don't say I didn't warn you.
At this point, I'm not that concerned, because this is simply smoke and mirrors as far as I'm concerned. Besides, I won't be here when the world is "united" anyway.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :P This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:P McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.
I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.
It does seem to be paying off so far, at least from what we see in the media. I'm just trying to picture a candidate from another country coming over to the US and giving speeches and such. Wouldn't that seem odd?
Not so fast there slugger. There has been no big bump in the polls for O because of this trip. In fact, I am truly surprised that he isnt killing McCain in the polls with how much media attention he has received. Im not voting for the O, but I think for him to win, he needs to build a very big lead before they start debating, as McCain, I think, will tear him up in the debates IMO.
 
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BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Standing before a massive crowd
I love how none of the mainstream media are mentioning the free rock concert (featuring popular German artists Patrice and Reamonn) that was thrown before Obama's speech and that likely had a huge role in the "massive crowd."
 
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Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:goodposting: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.
I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.
It does seem to be paying off so far, at least from what we see in the media. I'm just trying to picture a candidate from another country coming over to the US and giving speeches and such. Wouldn't that seem odd?
Not so fast there slugger. There has been no big bump in the polls for O because of this trip. In fact, I am truly surprised that he isnt killing McCain in the polls with how much media attention he has received. Im not voting for the O, but I think for him to win, he needs to build a very big lead before they start debating, as McCain, I think, will tear him up in the debates IMO.
I was refering to this photo op in Germany. Have new polls come out since then? :confused:
 
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BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Standing before a massive crowd
I love how none of the mainstream media are mentioning the free rock concert (featuring popular German artists Patrice and Reamonn) that was thrown before Obama's speech and that likely had a huge role in the "massive crowd."
I really had to dig in order to hear that news. Initially, I thought 200,000 people just showed up to hear Obama speak.
 
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BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Standing before a massive crowd
I love how none of the mainstream media are mentioning the free rock concert (featuring popular German artists Patrice and Reamonn) that was thrown before Obama's speech and that likely had a huge role in the "massive crowd."
I really had to dig in order to hear that news. Initially, I thought 200,000 people just showed up to hear Obama speak.
Me too. Initially I just thought "Wow, Germans must really be in favor of change."
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:goodposting: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
Again. My question had nothing to do about McCain.
I am with you TIS...I thought it was a bit strange, but I think it's a good move. McCain really ripped him on his foreign policy so now he's going all out to squash that idea. It may be a bit overboard, but I can see what he's doing. I think it's a smart move.
It does seem to be paying off so far, at least from what we see in the media. I'm just trying to picture a candidate from another country coming over to the US and giving speeches and such. Wouldn't that seem odd?
Not so fast there slugger. There has been no big bump in the polls for O because of this trip. In fact, I am truly surprised that he isnt killing McCain in the polls with how much media attention he has received. Im not voting for the O, but I think for him to win, he needs to build a very big lead before they start debating, as McCain, I think, will tear him up in the debates IMO.
I was refering to this photo op in Germany. Have new polls come out since then? :confused:
FNC-but Im sure most O believers hate FNC so perhaps take it with a grain of salt :shrug: But to answer your question, it is a new poll.
 
I think for him to win, he needs to build a very big lead before they start debating, as McCain, I think, will tear him up in the debates IMO.

:thumbup: Stop it man. You're killing me.

 
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BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- Standing before a massive crowd
I love how none of the mainstream media are mentioning the free rock concert (featuring popular German artists Patrice and Reamonn) that was thrown before Obama's speech and that likely had a huge role in the "massive crowd."
I really had to dig in order to hear that news. Initially, I thought 200,000 people just showed up to hear Obama speak.
I think an Obama staffer wrote the article.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :hot: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:hot: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
lol at the idea that this trip equals international experience. Which deep thinker amongst you came up with that one. Obama went overseas to campaign, its a giant photo op and he doesn't even take the time to visit injured US soldiers in Germany.
1:42 p.m.: SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. The visits were planned for Friday. “Barack Obama will not be coming to us,” a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. “I don’t know why.” Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama.
Landstuhl is where the injured iraq and afghanistan soldiers are, the ones Obama is so eager to help get home.
 
:hot: Stop it man. You're killing me.
he actually has a point,. McCain does pretty well off the cuff, he's not real good at prepared speeches. His favored format is the "townhall" Q& A. If you've seen Obama off the teleprompter, you know thats his biggest weakness.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:goodposting: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
lol at the idea that this trip equals international experience. Which deep thinker amongst you came up with that one. Obama went overseas to campaign, its a giant photo op and he doesn't even take the time to visit injured US soldiers in Germany.
1:42 p.m.: SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. The visits were planned for Friday. “Barack Obama will not be coming to us,” a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. “I don’t know why.” Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama.
Landstuhl is where the injured iraq and afghanistan soldiers are, the ones Obama is so eager to help get home.
:goodposting: What a peice of garbage this gas bag is. Obaahbaahbaahma and his sheep really make me want to puke.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :shrug: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
I can see the argument Obama is now a qualified international tourist and international speaker, but what executive leadership experience has he accumulated? The Iraq visit did little for Obama except prove true the accusations against him.McCain is a putz, and Obama is a great public speaker from a prepared script. But which is really qualified with executive experience, international or domestic?

 
Repeating my post on this issue from another thread:

It's actually much better than I thought. First off, I am very grateful that he spent so much time discussing the 60th anniversary of the Berlin Airlift. I started a thread about this event last week; it it IMO the key event of the Cold War, and the greatest ever achievement of the United States Air Force, then still in its infancy. Had I been Obama, I would have spent more time discussing what an amazing innovative technological achievement it was, not for the purpose of patting the USA on the back, but showing how we can solve problems with unforseen solutions when we put our brains to it. But it was excellent of him just to mention it. He also reiterated that the West needs to be united in standing up to terror, and in preventing the spread of nuclear weapons. All to his credit.

There were aspects I did not like, and I stated them earlier. But within the context of the entire speech, they are probably insignificant, so I won't repeat them here.

I have to say that since Obama has won his party's nomination, I am more and more impressed with him as a candidate. I like his speeches, especially on foreign policy. (Earlier, I loved his speech on race and wrote that in this forum.) If only he were not for big government solutions to issues like health care, he might be a guy I could really get behind. But I just don't like his proposed solutions to our economy, and I also dread the idea of a President, House, and Senate all controlled by the same political party. I voted for Kerry to prevent that in 04, and I will vote for McCain to prevent that now. But my respect for Obama has gone way up.

 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :thumbup: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
Easy there, slugger. I didn't say anything bad about the big O. I was merely asking a question. And even if McCain said, "I dare you to go overseas", I still think its strange for a candidate to go touring the world like he's a world leader. Republican, Democrat or Independent. That's all I'm saying. ;)
And I merely answered your question slugger.
No you didn't. You turned my question into an attack on McCain. I'm not trying to attack Obama. I have made no indications as to who I am voting for so there is no reason to believe my question was an attempt to attack Obama. It was simply asking if any other candidate prior to this election had gone on a world tour. That's all, brother.
Prepare to be Obama'd if your comment or question contains or appears to have an ounce of criticism regarding the Chosen One.
 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :confused: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:thumbup: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
lol at the idea that this trip equals international experience. Which deep thinker amongst you came up with that one. Obama went overseas to campaign, its a giant photo op and he doesn't even take the time to visit injured US soldiers in Germany.
1:42 p.m.: SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. The visits were planned for Friday. “Barack Obama will not be coming to us,” a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. “I don’t know why.” Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama.
Landstuhl is where the injured iraq and afghanistan soldiers are, the ones Obama is so eager to help get home.
Using maimed American troops for a campaign photo op...? Please tell me you're kidding.
 
what`s wrong with visiting the troops for the pure sake of just visiting? Does this guy do or say ANYTHING that is not 100% scripted, man wake the F up you worshipers. Oh wait, can`t mention, say. question, or even think any thoughts other than he`s the real deal. Hope, faith, change, etc. etc. :confused:

 
Has there ever been a Presidential candidate that has toured the world before the elections? :boxing: This has seemed odd to me from the beginning.
As I said in another thread the McCain campaign made this necessary. They attacked Obama on his lack of international experience and on not going to Iraq. The Obama campaign came up with this. Now McCain gets whacked every night over the head with it. The law of unintended consequences again rears it's ugly head. The best part is now McCain is attacking him for doing what he attacked him for not doing.
:confused: McCain is trying to play on both sides of the fence and is looking like a moron for doing so...at least to those of us that don't watch Fox news.
lol at the idea that this trip equals international experience. Which deep thinker amongst you came up with that one. Obama went overseas to campaign, its a giant photo op and he doesn't even take the time to visit injured US soldiers in Germany.
1:42 p.m.: SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. The visits were planned for Friday. “Barack Obama will not be coming to us,” a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. “I don’t know why.” Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama.
Landstuhl is where the injured iraq and afghanistan soldiers are, the ones Obama is so eager to help get home.
Using maimed American troops for a campaign photo op...? Please tell me you're kidding.
Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.
 
Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.
One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..

 
Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.
One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..
One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.

 
Well I think the guy running to be their commander in chief ought to take the time to visit the troops he may one day command. He could ask the press to give him space and make sure that his staff doesnt turn this into a photo op.
One doesn't "run" to be Commander-in-Chief. One runs to be President.My premise being that this "space" is impossible on this trip - funded by campaign dollars..
One runs to be President and the Commander in Chief title comes with it. Point taken.I just think it's poor form that you visit Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Germany but there is no time to visit our wounded soldiers?

It just doesnt sit right with me. I don't care about the photo op part of it. If you want to be President and you visit Germany and you make a speech in front of

200,000 concert goers then you should find the time to travel to Landstuhl or Rammstein to visit the troops.
Stop being so "mean spirited" , it`s B O for cripes sake!!!!!
 

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