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Ingram out for a month... (1 Viewer)
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Kendall The Great
Footballguy
This is easier than going through a 55+ page thread to find out the info.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Agree, thanks for posting. I don't read the Ingram thread because I don't have him in any league. Robinson's available in some of my leagues so this is great heads up.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Wow, just when it seemed like he had put it together
Bye in week 6 so got to assume best case is return in week 7, which would give him 5 weeks to heal.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
oh FML 
I didn't know Ingram got hurt. That's 3 RB's in one day gone from my starting lineup (Matthews, Ingram, Moreno) So much for the zero RB theory looking good.
I didn't know Ingram got hurt. That's 3 RB's in one day gone from my starting lineup (Matthews, Ingram, Moreno) So much for the zero RB theory looking good.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Deep leaguers could possibly look towards Cadet? Cadet seems more like a Thomas replacement but with the way #### is shaping up I think exploring all possible avenues is a good idea.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Great I have Ingram, Charles and Moreno all on the same team. 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This poor guy can't catch a break (excuse the pun).
Just when he's finally starting to look really good.
Just when he's finally starting to look really good.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I was wondering why someone grabbed Robinson.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was going to post something on Ingram's injury history as the hype swelled to a crescendo yesterday. Like I said in the other thread, he's got a long injury history. He did start to look good. This is good news for Brees owners -- maybe the Saints will run the ball less. They ran the ball 27 plays yesterday. Brees owners want more volume.
need2know
Footballguy
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
He may only miss 3 weeks because the Saints have a bye week 6 and he has 5 weeks to heal in order to play week 7.
Yeah, this is reason #1 for a Brees bump, reason #2 is that the Saints are 0-2 trying this little running experiment.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sproles missed 2 weeks I think a year or two ago with a broken hand bone, another RB can't remember who was back after 1 week.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Khiry is about to take off I do believe. He has breakaway ability that Ingram does not possess IMO.
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They've thrown the ball 82 times in 2 games (on pace for more attempts than last season)- you think the reason they're 0-2 is because they've run it too much?
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
I wish I could breakdown the stats....but let's put it this way. There are two types of teams:
(1) those that pass when they have to
(2) those that always prefer to pass no matter the situation (when winning, goalline, 3rd and short, 1st down, etc)
The Saints have typically been in category 2, but have been more in category 1 through two games than category 2. Sure, when they've been behind by 2 scores or when late and losing they've passed a ton, but even those firmly in category 1 do that.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
This is just all sorts of incorrect. The largest deficit the Saints have faced this season is not coincidentally after Brees threw a pick 6 yesterday and even that was only 13 points in the 2nd qtr. In week 1 they were winning most of the game and never trailed by more than 4 pts., and they attempted 15 passes vs. 5 runs in the 1st qtr. when they were leading the entire time. They started out the game this week with 6 straight passing attempts (2 3-and-outs). Etc. The Saints have typically had one of the lowest run/pass ratios in the NFL, and this year is no different.
In any event, you didn't answer the question- you think the reason they are 0-2 is because they've run too much?
Yes.
And wow, you're so wrong.
Saints Pass Selection % Rank:
2012: 3rd
2013: 5th
2014: 13th
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think this is correct. Their run to pass ratio in 2013 was 62.48 %
Yesterday it was 59.7%, and they were behind most of the game.
You figure that out.
rockaction
Footballguy
Warhogs
Footballguy
Huh? He is in game shape now. Even with a cast the guy can stay in game shape. When he is healed he will be ready to go.
rockaction
Footballguy
So...he's right about relative ratios, and you're wrong, and you're going to laugh at that?Tango said:
What about our points and stats are you laughing about, precisely?
A smiley face is not an answer -- it's the sign of someone with no argument.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Great Ingram discussion.
I'm laughing at the fact that he thinks they lost because they ran the ball too much. That's absurd.So...he's right about relative ratios, and you're wrong, and you're going to laugh at that?Tango said:
What about our points and stats are you laughing about, precisely?
A smiley face is not an answer -- it's the sign of someone with no argument.
I'm also laughing because he said they only passed a lot when they were behind by two scores or when late and losing since I clearly showed that's completely false.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Ah, I read that wrong. I think I'm talking about fantasy vs. real life situations and you guys are delving into the overall success of the Saints. I'm purely interested in passing volume and the Bress/effective Ingram dynamic.I'm laughing at the fact that he thinks they lost because they ran the ball too much. That's absurd.So...he's right about relative ratios, and you're wrong, and you're going to laugh at that?Tango said:
What about our points and stats are you laughing about, precisely?
A smiley face is not an answer -- it's the sign of someone with no argument.
My apologies.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I think we're talking about the "Brees/effective Ingram dynamic" in fantasy; which of course is a reflection of the actual games and to a certain extent wins&losses.
Saints total plays are up 13% this year, the running game has gotten 100% of those extra plays. So the Saints are on pace for 0% change in passes attempted. Meanwhile, Brees' competition for fantasy points at the QB position is passing on a higher percent of downs than the Saints.
Ingram going down will probably help change this brief, 2-game dynamic. That seems like a logical conclusion to make...but hey, people can disagree with that all they want. It's subjective.
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Koya
Footballguy
They have always run the ball more than many people realize.humpback said:
What has been lacking is Sproles. You get a guy like graham, spread the field and have sproles run loose? Nearly unstoppable. Cooks was supposed to fill some of that role but I'm not seeing how that happens from a more pure WR position.
Nope, I own him in every one of my leagues, but having to go with replacement players throughout my lineups makes him the odd man out. Unfortunately I'll be sticking w/ Ryan Mathews over Ingram in every league =/ With Mathews having the higher ceiling and Ingram the lower floor.
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
NFLDraftBible has him with this:Yeah, that 4.71 40 at his pro day (translates to 4.80 at the combine) really screams burner!SaintsInDome2006 said:
Warpig
Footballguy
With the way this year is going...I have zero confidence Khiry is a safe play. Look at all the hype Forsett was getting after Rice was booted. Yet who was the bellcow? Wasn't this year supposed to be Spiller's year? Fred Jackson is STILL the man. Vereen was in for a big week in week 2...Ridley got damn near 30 carries and Vereen was an after thought. It's almost as if the coaches read these message boards and do the opposite of popular opinion.
