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Storm Johnson dynasty buy? (1 Viewer)

this may have more to do with this year than future years but... the situation reminds me a bit of the 2013 rams.

through 4 games, rams had 62 carries for 160 yards. and nobody really wanted much to do with their RBs. stacy only had one carry up to that point.

through 4 games, jags have 80 carries for 242 yards. and everybody's kinda low on their guys for rest of year FF points.

we all know what happened last year with stacy and the rams... and the funny thing is it really took people a couple weeks to realize stacy was the guy to own there. he could still be had for pretty cheap even after his breakout game in week 5. consensus was he wasn't explosive or fast enough and wasn't much of an answer. granted he hasn't looked great this year but he definitely helped some dynasty teams last year who went out and grabbed him.

who knows how it will turn out, but i'm willing to gamble on backup RBs on crappy offensive teams since they seem to be pretty easy to acquire.

i'm buying.
You're right that there usually is one or two of these guys each year. Sometimes they have value the next year; sometimes they don't. But I kinda think Brandon Oliver is that guy this year and also Crowell, possibly. When I look at his college tape I don't like his speed or his build--he looks like a guy who will get hurt. He is shifty, but it is hard for me to know if that jitter bug style will work because in the NFL the tackling is a lot better. He does get his head and shoulder down at contact pretty well; and he did break a lot of tackles in college; and he showed good vision. The pass protection will limit his opportunities until he masters it as others have said.

 
this may have more to do with this year than future years but... the situation reminds me a bit of the 2013 rams.

through 4 games, rams had 62 carries for 160 yards. and nobody really wanted much to do with their RBs. stacy only had one carry up to that point.

through 4 games, jags have 80 carries for 242 yards. and everybody's kinda low on their guys for rest of year FF points.

we all know what happened last year with stacy and the rams... and the funny thing is it really took people a couple weeks to realize stacy was the guy to own there. he could still be had for pretty cheap even after his breakout game in week 5. consensus was he wasn't explosive or fast enough and wasn't much of an answer. granted he hasn't looked great this year but he definitely helped some dynasty teams last year who went out and grabbed him.

who knows how it will turn out, but i'm willing to gamble on backup RBs on crappy offensive teams since they seem to be pretty easy to acquire.

i'm buying.
You're right that there usually is one or two of these guys each year. Sometimes they have value the next year; sometimes they don't. But I kinda think Brandon Oliver is that guy this year and also Crowell, possibly. When I look at his college tape I don't like his speed or his build--he looks like a guy who will get hurt. He is shifty, but it is hard for me to know if that jitter bug style will work because in the NFL the tackling is a lot better. He does get his head and shoulder down at contact pretty well; and he did break a lot of tackles in college; and he showed good vision. The pass protection will limit his opportunities until he masters it as others have said.
agree that it's more likely oliver and crowell break through this year. and personally i'd rather have either of them but... both are probably expensive buys at this point (crowell more so in dynasty and oliver probably more so in redraft leagues) and storm's much cheaper to acquire, in no small part due to how bad jacksonville's offense has been through four games. personally i like buying five guys for pennies than one guy for a nickel... but really i'm rooting for all three!

 
Followed him last two weeks and just made a deal to free up roster spot to pick him up ..Hoping he and bottles continue their college successes

 
I don't know how this one is going to shake out, but before you get too excited remember that the Jags are averaging 19 rushes per game. That's 31st out of 32 teams. You can knock the efficiency of their individual backs, but their lack of production in the running game has also been a function of a lack of commitment to the run. Think about their most recent game. Rookie starter at QB. Close game. And yet their RBs had just 12 carries compared with 36 pass attempts for Bortles.

Unless you have Andrew Luck at QB, that's borderline suicidal coaching. Most teams that have actually been successful with a rookie QB (i.e. Roethlisberger, Newton, Wilson, Griffin) put the training wheels on those guys and limited their passing attempts to near the bare minimum. The Jags are doing the exact opposite. In two full starts, Bortles has 37 and 36 pass attempts. That's 36.5 attempts per game, which will be one of the top 6-7 averages in the league if it holds.

I would say they'll wise up and lean more heavily on the ground game in future weeks, but so far this season they've seemed pretty clueless.

 
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I wonder how much influence a Shark Pool conversation has on FF sites. I notice on RotoWorld's Trending Now feature that Storm Johnson is the third most popular player search right now. How much is just him being the next man up, and how much is you guys driving the narrative?

 
I don't know how this one is going to shake out, but before you get too excited remember that the Jags are averaging 19 rushes per game. That's 31st out of 32 teams. You can knock the efficiency of their individual backs, but their lack of production in the running game has also been a function of a lack of commitment to the run. Think about their most recent game. Rookie starter at QB. Close game. And yet their RBs had just 12 carries compared with 36 pass attempts for Bortles.

Unless you have Andrew Luck at QB, that's borderline suicidal coaching. Most teams that have actually been successful with a rookie QB (i.e. Roethlisberger, Newton, Wilson, Griffin) put the training wheels on those guys and limited their passing attempts to near the bare minimum. The Jags are doing the exact opposite. In two full starts, Bortles has 37 and 36 pass attempts. That's 36.5 attempts per game, which will be one of the top 6-7 averages in the league if it holds.

I would say they'll wise up and lean more heavily on the ground game in future weeks, but so far this season they've seemed pretty clueless.
It's chicken or egg, though. Jacksonville's averaging 3.5 yards per rush, and by far the most efficient runner on the team has been Bortles. If we're just talking Gerhart and Robinson, they average less than 3ypc. You're not doing your rookie QB any favors by letting him throw on 3rd and long all day, either.

That's not a function of clueless coaching, it's a function of the Jags, to date, not having anything reliable to hang their hats on.

 
I wonder how much influence a Shark Pool conversation has on FF sites. I notice on RotoWorld's Trending Now feature that Storm Johnson is the third most popular player search right now. How much is just him being the next man up, and how much is you guys driving the narrative?
Maybe some influence. All I know is that he passes the eye test and impressed me more on 3 of his 4 touches than Gerhart, Robinson or Todman have all season. I mean, Gerhart has had some long catch and runs but those were mostly a product of getting him into space. He's been meh elsewhere on a majority of his snaps. Robinson has had some decent runs, showing nice wiggle and shiftiness but he's the epitome of a COP back. Todman hasn't impressed. I mean, maybe there are people parroting others or are box score scouting (hard to do on 3 registered touches) helping spread the hype like wildfire but once you watch the film you realize the hype is merited. I was actually a little tentative to come in here and post my observations before waivers tonight because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire and have to pay out my ### to stash him. So far, in my biggest money league, I somehow got him for 5% of the budget (only had 7.2% left). Madness.

 
Some dude who calls UCF games on the radio (and also is a huge fantasy player) was on the Sirius fantasy channel earlier tonight with Bob Harris. He gave his expert opinion on Storm, after watching him closely for the last two years, and he could not have been less excited. Said basically there is nothing special about him, and anyone expecting more than one or maybe two nice games out of him are fooling themselves. Kind of a buzzkill. :shrug:

 
I don't know how this one is going to shake out
Should have just stopped here... We know that you don't know...
Been a while since you busted out your alias, Brewtown. Did your regular account get banned?

That's a shame because we need someone to tell us how BISHOP SANKEY IS PRIMED TO EXPLODE THIS WEEK!!!! BANK ON IT!!!

Now welcome to my ignore list. :bye:

 
Been a while since you busted out your alias, Brewtown. Did your regular account get banned?

That's a shame because we need someone to tell us how BISHOP SANKEY IS PRIMED TO EXPLODE THIS WEEK!!!! BANK ON IT!!!

Now welcome to my ignore list. :bye:
#### just got real, folks!

 
Some dude who calls UCF games on the radio (and also is a huge fantasy player) was on the Sirius fantasy channel earlier tonight with Bob Harris. He gave his expert opinion on Storm, after watching him closely for the last two years, and he could not have been less excited. Said basically there is nothing special about him, and anyone expecting more than one or maybe two nice games out of him are fooling themselves. Kind of a buzzkill. :shrug:
#### him

 
Raider Nation said:
Some dude who calls UCF games on the radio (and also is a huge fantasy player) was on the Sirius fantasy channel earlier tonight with Bob Harris. He gave his expert opinion on Storm, after watching him closely for the last two years, and he could not have been less excited. Said basically there is nothing special about him, and anyone expecting more than one or maybe two nice games out of him are fooling themselves. Kind of a buzzkill. :shrug:
People will have their opinions but what matters is opprtunity and production. The opprtunity looks like it's swinging in his direction now and last week he produced until he got hurt. He'll get some touches and if he does well he'll run away with the job....he's got no competition whatsoever and they need to be able to hand the ball to someone who has some wiggle and can gain a few yards.

This is why I keep a roster spot on my team to add guys like this. It's how I snagged Stacy last year, keenan Allen, Ellington and others. Add them when there's opportunity in te offense and te pendulum looks like it may be swinging. If it doesn't work out you cut and move on.

 
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Raider Nation said:
Some dude who calls UCF games on the radio (and also is a huge fantasy player) was on the Sirius fantasy channel earlier tonight with Bob Harris. He gave his expert opinion on Storm, after watching him closely for the last two years, and he could not have been less excited. Said basically there is nothing special about him, and anyone expecting more than one or maybe two nice games out of him are fooling themselves. Kind of a buzzkill. :shrug:
#### him
I watch a player two games, and pretty much get a feeling..

This is just a hunch, but Im hoping that after investing two years, that he is willing to continue watching for improvement via the aging process...

Id consider calling the show and asking em to include twitter accounts. Im pretty sure that he would have more a clue about things being discussed.

The difference will be things like: "Im probably the Only guy who believes..."

fyi: This is good info for the Gerhart post too! Gerhart must play.. (by default)

 
The Florida Times Union says coach Gus Bradley "sure indicated like Storm Johnson would be getting a big shot at playing against the Titans."

Brutally ineffective Toby Gerhart has a sprained foot and Denard Robinson is averaging 3.13 YPC. It makes sense to give Johnson a chance to spark this dormant running game, but we doubt he'll be able to make a big difference. The seventh-round rookie's Combine numbers (4.60 forty, 35 1/2" vertical, 9-foot-10 broad jump) show he's a worse athlete than Gerhart, and this offensive line has graded out 29th in PFF's run-blocking ranks. Johnson is still an add because he's a threat for 12-15 carries. (Rotoworld)

Worse athlete maybe but much better vision!

 
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Raider Nation said:
Some dude who calls UCF games on the radio (and also is a huge fantasy player) was on the Sirius fantasy channel earlier tonight with Bob Harris. He gave his expert opinion on Storm, after watching him closely for the last two years, and he could not have been less excited. Said basically there is nothing special about him, and anyone expecting more than one or maybe two nice games out of him are fooling themselves. Kind of a buzzkill. :shrug:
There is nothing special about this guy. This team will draft a starting RB next year. I wish Crowell would have signed here. He would have been hands down the #1 after the 1st week.

 
I'm on board. I watch the condensed version of every game every week while I work out. Football season really helps my workout routines fly by since I enjoy scouting the games so much. Anyway I will see 4-5 games live so I don't rewatch those, but I replay all the others and I try to watch the potential WW pickup games on Monday and Tuesday before getting in bids and I have to agree with SameSong&Dance. It's night and day watching Storm out there vs the other JAX backs. He is a natural and while I didnt see him catch any passes I know he is rated high for that so he has a chance to be a 3 down guy. He has a legit chance to take the every down back role if these types of runs continue. Those were the best 4 runs of the entire year for JAX. There is no way the coaching staff did not see it. Initially I was a little worried as to why the coaches didn't keep him in there after those runs. They must be totally inept , but then I heard he tweaked his ankle so that was the reason. This guy should get more carries next game. He has great feel and vision with enough physical ability to take advantage of it.
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Raider Nation said:
Some dude who calls UCF games on the radio (and also is a huge fantasy player) was on the Sirius fantasy channel earlier tonight with Bob Harris. He gave his expert opinion on Storm, after watching him closely for the last two years, and he could not have been less excited. Said basically there is nothing special about him, and anyone expecting more than one or maybe two nice games out of him are fooling themselves. Kind of a buzzkill. :shrug:
There is nothing special about this guy.
The dude that calls the UCF games? I agree - he's just some armchair schlub like the rest of us that thinks they can scout.

As for Storm, who knows how good he will be, but he doesn't have to be special to be an effective starting RB. His own head coach likes what he sees - at least now - and that's all that matters. We'll see as Storm gets more reps.

 
Hope some of yall snatched him up before all the buzz started building. I think Storm gets a bad rap about his college days mainly due to fumbling issues. Regardless of raw talent or ability, there are players who seem to be at their best and take their game to another level against the best competition. These are usually the late round, UDFAs that seemingly come out of nowhere to have success in the NFL.

Storm's running and build reminds me a bit of LeVeon Bell. When Bradley talks of Storm's instincts, he's likely referring to how he can make that one cut to get up field and make 3-4 yards out of what seems like nothing. I also think that's what separates him from the other Jags RBs. As SSND said, he just passes the eyeball test. Some will say the Jags backfield is nothing to get excited about, but there's a chicken v. egg argument to be had there.

I have no concerns about Storm's running ability translating in the NFL. His playing time going forward will be more dependent on his ability to stay healthy, ball security, and not getting Bortles killed.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.

 
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The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
Not a big deal ... I know that is the norm, but some people might argue that you should always run with the ball in your strongest hand.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
Not a big deal ... I know that is the norm, but some people might argue that you should always run with the ball in your strongest hand.
Doesn't DeMarco Murray only carry in his right as well? He seems to be doing alright right now

 
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The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
Not a big deal ... I know that is the norm, but some people might argue that you should always run with the ball in your strongest hand.
Doesn't DeMarco Murray only carry in his right as well? He seems to be doing alright right now
He's also fumbled the ball like a mad man this year.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
Not a big deal ... I know that is the norm, but some people might argue that you should always run with the ball in your strongest hand.
Doesn't DeMarco Murray only carry in his right as well? He seems to be doing alright right now
He's also fumbled the ball like a mad man this year.
Yea was going to say, its the 1 knock anyone has against Murray lol

I do agree its a correctable thing, a guy like Tiki Barber comes to mind. Coughlin pretty much eliminated his fumbling all together, by changing his ball carrying technique. My only hope is Storm doesn't fumble it quick enough where he doesn't get the opportunity to showcase his skillset. Cause god knows he has to be better then all that trash they have now

 
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Gerhart sat today. So, he practiced in full with a sprained foot Wednesday and now he sits. Am I the only one who isn't quite following the rationale here? Regardless, outlook looks better for Storm.

 
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The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
Not a big deal ... I know that is the norm, but some people might argue that you should always run with the ball in your strongest hand.
Doesn't DeMarco Murray only carry in his right as well? He seems to be doing alright right now
Murray has fumbled in every game but one.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...
Yes, actually he is.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...
Yes, actually he is.
John Brown might be a T.Y. Hilton.

Storm Johnson might be Frank Gore.

A Storm is brewing.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...
Yes, actually he is.
He is what? A huge talent? Please.

He's fast. And is a speedy slot guy. The list of stud fantasy WR's who are 5'10 , 180 is pretty short.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...
Who said anything about Sammy Watkins? Exaggerate much? If you've followed Brown at all-through Tc/preseason/season he looks pretty impressive. Lot of TY Hilton comparisons have been made. You don't have to be Sammy Watkins to be "likely" worth more than a 7th round pick with pretty terrible measureables-and a lot of lukewarm reports coming out of college.Could I be wrong? Of course I could, but particularly in a dynasty I'm not trading Brown for a 4th stringer who finally got a chance with a whopping 4 carries, on Jacksonville no less. What was his final stat line? Like 4/27 and one of those carries was a 20 yarder? Other carries 3/7. Not going after him with a valuable player based on that. And I did grab him off waivers in one league. Smells like crazy hype/overreaction to me

 
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The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...
Who said anything about Sammy Watkins? Exaggerate much? If you've followed Brown at all-through Tc/preseason/season he looks pretty impressive. Lot of TY Hilton comparisons have been made. You don't have to be Sammy Watkins to be "likely" worth more than a 7th round pick with pretty terrible measureables-and a lot of lukewarm reports coming out of college.Could I be wrong? Of course I could, but particularly in a dynasty I'm not trading Brown for a 4th stringer who finally got a chance with a whopping 4 carries, on Jacksonville no less. What was his final stat line? Like 4/27 and one of those carries was a 20 yarder? Other carries 3/7. Not going after him with a valuable player based on that. And I did grab him off waivers in one league. Smells like crazy hype/overreaction to me
Both Storm Johnson and John Brown are waiver wire guys, right? They weren't drafted. From a trade value standpoint, they are pretty comparable....I may even argue that Johnson has more value as the number of running backs worth a crap to your fantasy team are much lower than wr3/4 type guys in the league.

 
You said people are getting crazy carried away trading John Brown for him...You saying that is the crazy thing.

Again, he's 5'10, 180. If he's Santana Moss in this league, that will probably be his absolute ceiling. The TY Hilton comparisons are fine but TY is going to be playing with the best QB in football for the next 10 years. Hilton on most other teams is probably a glorified slot receiver. Storm J for John Brown is nothing close to being 'crazy carried away'. Frankly I'd take the upside of a RB, over a small, 180 lb WR. Oh and Bortles looks legit too so who knows, we've seen a ton of late rd, UDFA rb's turn into gold. We haven't seen many 5'10 180 lb WR's turn into gold tho...

 
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The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...
Who said anything about Sammy Watkins? Exaggerate much? If you've followed Brown at all-through Tc/preseason/season he looks pretty impressive. Lot of TY Hilton comparisons have been made. You don't have to be Sammy Watkins to be "likely" worth more than a 7th round pick with pretty terrible measureables-and a lot of lukewarm reports coming out of college.Could I be wrong? Of course I could, but particularly in a dynasty I'm not trading Brown for a 4th stringer who finally got a chance with a whopping 4 carries, on Jacksonville no less. What was his final stat line? Like 4/27 and one of those carries was a 20 yarder? Other carries 3/7. Not going after him with a valuable player based on that. And I did grab him off waivers in one league. Smells like crazy hype/overreaction to me
Both Storm Johnson and John Brown are waiver wire guys, right? They weren't drafted. From a trade value standpoint, they are pretty comparable....I may even argue that Johnson has more value as the number of running backs worth a crap to your fantasy team are much lower than wr3/4 type guys in the league.
Depends on what size league etc. Both were drafted in the 4 leagues I'm in (1-12 teamers, 3-16 teamer). The difference being that Storm was cut pretty quickly in some while Brown was kept on rosters, AND we've actually seen something out of Brown. Trade him based on-effectively-1 carry? That's nuts to me. As I said, grabbed him in one league so I hope I'm wrong, but logically it makes no sense to me.

 
You said people are getting crazy carried away trading John Brown for him...You saying that is the crazy thing.

Again, he's 5'10, 180. If he's Santana Moss in this league, that will probably be his absolute ceiling. The TY Hilton comparisons are fine but TY is going to be playing with the best QB in football for the next 10 years. Hilton on most other teams is probably a glorified slot receiver. Storm J for John Brown is nothing close to being 'crazy carried away'. Frankly I'd take the upside of a RB, over a small, 180 lb WR. Oh and Bortles looks legit too so who knows, we've seen a ton of late rd, UDFA rb's turn into gold. We haven't seen many 5'10 180 lb WR's turn into gold tho...
Brown has already had a 2 TD game. Coaches and teammates have raved about him. 3rd round pick, great combine. You act like a slot receiver is a bad thing. I've also read some rumblings of a different role should Fitz move on next year.

Not sure what Bortles has to do with anything, unless you are making the point that an improved passing game will open up the running game. That's fine, I can go with that. Still think it's crazy to trade Brown for him. We'll see I guess, I've been wrong many times before.

 
You said people are getting crazy carried away trading John Brown for him...You saying that is the crazy thing.

Again, he's 5'10, 180. If he's Santana Moss in this league, that will probably be his absolute ceiling. The TY Hilton comparisons are fine but TY is going to be playing with the best QB in football for the next 10 years. Hilton on most other teams is probably a glorified slot receiver. Storm J for John Brown is nothing close to being 'crazy carried away'. Frankly I'd take the upside of a RB, over a small, 180 lb WR. Oh and Bortles looks legit too so who knows, we've seen a ton of late rd, UDFA rb's turn into gold. We haven't seen many 5'10 180 lb WR's turn into gold tho...
Brown has already had a 2 TD game. Coaches and teammates have raved about him. 3rd round pick, great combine. You act like a slot receiver is a bad thing. I've also read some rumblings of a different role should Fitz move on next year.

Not sure what Bortles has to do with anything, unless you are making the point that an improved passing game will open up the running game. That's fine, I can go with that. Still think it's crazy to trade Brown for him. We'll see I guess, I've been wrong many times before.
I regret even bringing up John Brown because it caused this to go deeply off topic. Even if John Brown turns into TY Hilton, he'd be my WR5 at best. If Storm Johnson can outproduce what Gerhart did, then he will unseat him as my RB2. So yes, it was an easy trade for me due to how unbalanced my roster is. I agree that with a balanced roster, I'd rather have John Brown who is safer and should be putting up WR2/WR3 numbers by next year.

 
You said people are getting crazy carried away trading John Brown for him...You saying that is the crazy thing.

Again, he's 5'10, 180. If he's Santana Moss in this league, that will probably be his absolute ceiling. The TY Hilton comparisons are fine but TY is going to be playing with the best QB in football for the next 10 years. Hilton on most other teams is probably a glorified slot receiver. Storm J for John Brown is nothing close to being 'crazy carried away'. Frankly I'd take the upside of a RB, over a small, 180 lb WR. Oh and Bortles looks legit too so who knows, we've seen a ton of late rd, UDFA rb's turn into gold. We haven't seen many 5'10 180 lb WR's turn into gold tho...
Brown has already had a 2 TD game.
Stephan Hill had a 2 TD game in his rookie year. Just sayin'

 
You said people are getting crazy carried away trading John Brown for him...You saying that is the crazy thing.

Again, he's 5'10, 180. If he's Santana Moss in this league, that will probably be his absolute ceiling. The TY Hilton comparisons are fine but TY is going to be playing with the best QB in football for the next 10 years. Hilton on most other teams is probably a glorified slot receiver. Storm J for John Brown is nothing close to being 'crazy carried away'. Frankly I'd take the upside of a RB, over a small, 180 lb WR. Oh and Bortles looks legit too so who knows, we've seen a ton of late rd, UDFA rb's turn into gold. We haven't seen many 5'10 180 lb WR's turn into gold tho...
Brown has already had a 2 TD game. Coaches and teammates have raved about him. 3rd round pick, great combine. You act like a slot receiver is a bad thing. I've also read some rumblings of a different role should Fitz move on next year.

Not sure what Bortles has to do with anything, unless you are making the point that an improved passing game will open up the running game. That's fine, I can go with that. Still think it's crazy to trade Brown for him. We'll see I guess, I've been wrong many times before.
Hey smallish/slight WR's in this league don't usually become big impact WR's. Yes there are exceptions (Antonio Brown/Steve Smith) come to mind. I would just gamble on the upside of a feature back over a tiny WR. And yes, Bortles being good could only help the running game. Thought that was pretty obvious.

John Brown:

WeaknessesLacks ideal size. Has very short arms and small hands. Limited functional strength. Can be jammed and rerouted. Can be outmuscled for contested catches. Cannot bust through tackles. Poor blocker. Will be a 24-year-old rookie.

Draft Projection Rounds 6-7 Bottom Line Lean, fluid, speedy Division II standout with a playmaker's resume. Will have to overcome size and strength limitations, but his burst and hands give him the opportunity to earn a role as a slot receiver and return man.

 
The 1 thing I did notice watching his highlights which ive seen others point out also, he carries the ball in his right hand only, he never switches the ball into his left hand. That's fine on his runs to the right, but its a fumble waiting to happen on everything to his left side. Probably an easy adjustment to make, but 1 he'll need to make in order to keep hold of that rock.
I just traded John Brown for him in my dynasty league and I hope issues like these are his biggest problems because they are easy to fix. It's things like vision, which he supposedly has, that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Really excited to see what he can do this weekend.

Realistically I'm not expecting much of anything from him this year as far as fantasy points go. I'm just hoping to see some flashes of ability. If you have deep benches in redraft and have nobody else better to pickup then he's worth a shot, but that team is a mess right now. They are one of the worst offensive lines as well as one of the worst as far as rush attempts go.
I'd never have traded John Brown for him myself. People are getting crazy carried away in here.
Huh? Is John Brown this huge talent? He looks like a decent slot WR. Also WR's his size don't usually amount to much... You act like he gave up a Sammy Watkins for him...
Who said anything about Sammy Watkins? Exaggerate much? If you've followed Brown at all-through Tc/preseason/season he looks pretty impressive. Lot of TY Hilton comparisons have been made. You don't have to be Sammy Watkins to be "likely" worth more than a 7th round pick with pretty terrible measureables-and a lot of lukewarm reports coming out of college.Could I be wrong? Of course I could, but particularly in a dynasty I'm not trading Brown for a 4th stringer who finally got a chance with a whopping 4 carries, on Jacksonville no less. What was his final stat line? Like 4/27 and one of those carries was a 20 yarder? Other carries 3/7. Not going after him with a valuable player based on that. And I did grab him off waivers in one league. Smells like crazy hype/overreaction to me
Both Storm Johnson and John Brown are waiver wire guys, right? They weren't drafted. From a trade value standpoint, they are pretty comparable....I may even argue that Johnson has more value as the number of running backs worth a crap to your fantasy team are much lower than wr3/4 type guys in the league.
If you're referring to dynasty leagues, then both were likely drafted and neither were likely dropped. Therefore, you were unlikely to acquire either of them via the WW.

 

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