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Ryan Mathews Dynasty Value (1 Viewer)

Clearly clueless.

Matthews had 33 total targets last year. He'll get a dump off here and there, but that's it. He comes off the field on 3rd down every single time unless it's short yardage. He's a two down back. He's off the field in hurry up situations. He was subbed off in passing plays in the red zone.

Someone is clueless, it's not me.

You guys can point to all the stats you want, there's 1 simple reason why he's pulled - His pass blocking is #### and he misses his assignments.
Utterly clueless. You just said two coaching staffs didn't use him in the passing game, which was easily debunked, so now you are changing your argument to 3rd down usage. Cute. :rolleyes:

Lots of players come off the field on 3rd down. Lynch is a good pass catcher but he doesn't play a lot on third down.

JWB debunked your ridiculous claim about his pass blocking so I won't bother. You really aren't worth the short time it takes to refute your silly notions. Go run back under the bridge from whence you came.

 
I think Trent Richardson is going to go the way of Ryan Mathews. Lots of haters that will always hate, but the RBs will end up being average to above-average ball carriers.

 
People are saying that Mathews is a good receiver. This is a fantasy football message board, and in fantasy, it's the stats that matter. Mathews has the ability to rack up big receiving stats. So for FF purposes, you can say he's a good receiver.

But as an NFL RB, I wouldn't call him a good receiver. He's an excellent runner after the catch (which is how he gets receiving stats), but I'd say he's limited as a receiver. He can run screens and short swing patterns, and that's about it. Every once in a while he runs a wheel route with some success. But he's not the kind of RB who's going to run a seam route, or a post, or a corner, and he's certainly not going to move to the slot and run a square in or a deep out. C.J. Spiller can do that stuff, and Reggie Bush, and Jamaal Charles, and Andre Ellington, and Giovani Bernard, but that won't ever be Ryan Mathews.

 
People are saying that Mathews is a good receiver. This is a fantasy football message board, and in fantasy, it's the stats that matter. Mathews has the ability to rack up big receiving stats. So for FF purposes, you can say he's a good receiver.

But as an NFL RB, I wouldn't call him a good receiver. He's an excellent runner after the catch (which is how he gets receiving stats), but I'd say he's limited as a receiver. He can run screens and short swing patterns, and that's about it. Every once in a while he runs a wheel route with some success. But he's not the kind of RB who's going to run a seam route, or a post, or a corner, and he's certainly not going to move to the slot and run a square in or a deep out. C.J. Spiller can do that stuff, and Reggie Bush, and Jamaal Charles, and Andre Ellington, and Giovani Bernard, but that won't ever be Ryan Mathews.
I don't disagree with any of that.

 
People are saying that Mathews is a good receiver. This is a fantasy football message board, and in fantasy, it's the stats that matter. Mathews has the ability to rack up big receiving stats. So for FF purposes, you can say he's a good receiver.

But as an NFL RB, I wouldn't call him a good receiver. He's an excellent runner after the catch (which is how he gets receiving stats), but I'd say he's limited as a receiver. He can run screens and short swing patterns, and that's about it. Every once in a while he runs a wheel route with some success. But he's not the kind of RB who's going to run a seam route, or a post, or a corner, and he's certainly not going to move to the slot and run a square in or a deep out. C.J. Spiller can do that stuff, and Reggie Bush, and Jamaal Charles, and Andre Ellington, and Giovani Bernard, but that won't ever be Ryan Mathews.
I don't disagree with any of that.
I don't think anyone is expecting him to be Marshall Faulk or Brian Westbrook any time soon. I know I'm not. Relative to those guys, and the guys that MT mentioned, Matthews is a poor receiver. Relative to Alfred Morris, Michael Turner, or Shonn Greene, he's a receiving beast.

My point, at least, was that his < 1 reception / game over the first 8 games was a product of usage, as opposed to a product of Matthews sucking as a receiver. IMO his roughly 2 1/2 receptions / game over the last 8 games is more indicative of his actual ability in this area, which is also in line with his performance in prior years.

I have no idea how much receiving use he'll see in 2014, but any lack will be due to system and the presence of the other RBs as opposed to Matthews inability to handle the role IMO.

 
People are saying that Mathews is a good receiver. This is a fantasy football message board, and in fantasy, it's the stats that matter. Mathews has the ability to rack up big receiving stats. So for FF purposes, you can say he's a good receiver.

But as an NFL RB, I wouldn't call him a good receiver. He's an excellent runner after the catch (which is how he gets receiving stats), but I'd say he's limited as a receiver. He can run screens and short swing patterns, and that's about it. Every once in a while he runs a wheel route with some success. But he's not the kind of RB who's going to run a seam route, or a post, or a corner, and he's certainly not going to move to the slot and run a square in or a deep out. C.J. Spiller can do that stuff, and Reggie Bush, and Jamaal Charles, and Andre Ellington, and Giovani Bernard, but that won't ever be Ryan Mathews.
I don't disagree with any of that.
I don't think anyone is expecting him to be Marshall Faulk or Brian Westbrook any time soon. I know I'm not. Relative to those guys, and the guys that MT mentioned, Matthews is a poor receiver. Relative to Alfred Morris, Michael Turner, or Shonn Greene, he's a receiving beast.

My point, at least, was that his < 1 reception / game over the first 8 games was a product of usage, as opposed to a product of Matthews sucking as a receiver. IMO his roughly 2 1/2 receptions / game over the last 8 games is more indicative of his actual ability in this area, which is also in line with his performance in prior years.

I have no idea how much receiving use he'll see in 2014, but any lack will be due to system and the presence of the other RBs as opposed to Matthews inability to handle the role IMO.
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Maurile Tremblay said:
People are saying that Mathews is a good receiver. This is a fantasy football message board, and in fantasy, it's the stats that matter. Mathews has the ability to rack up big receiving stats. So for FF purposes, you can say he's a good receiver.

But as an NFL RB, I wouldn't call him a good receiver. He's an excellent runner after the catch (which is how he gets receiving stats), but I'd say he's limited as a receiver. He can run screens and short swing patterns, and that's about it. Every once in a while he runs a wheel route with some success. But he's not the kind of RB who's going to run a seam route, or a post, or a corner, and he's certainly not going to move to the slot and run a square in or a deep out. C.J. Spiller can do that stuff, and Reggie Bush, and Jamaal Charles, and Andre Ellington, and Giovani Bernard, but that won't ever be Ryan Mathews.
Wtf? How many times have you seen those guys run deep outs? I've seen Spiller, but that's it. Reggie caught quite a few passes from the slot early in NO but I don't recall seeing him run a post route. This whole post of yours appears to be nothing more than conjecture. Charles had one of the highest drop rates of all the RBs last year, but he caught a ton of passes so people just assume he's one of the most adept receivers. Mathews hasn't been asked to run those routes, but that doesn't mean he can't. But being able to run those routes won't make or break him as a "good receiver". Like CDL said, no one is expecting him to be Marshall Faulk. Mathews catches the ball with his hands, runs well after the catch, and has a low drop rate - thus, he's a good receiver. And the pass blocking metrics say he's pretty good at that, too. Damn it Donald doesn't have a very good reputation in that category and Woodhead is terrible. He's certainly got a better build for blocking than most RBs. How many can do this?

I feel like he earned his goal line reps and some targets as the year went on, so hopefully he doesn't lose those aspects this year. I think Donald Brown is underrated, but I don't think he's better than Mathews at any facet of the game, so I'll be surprised if he overtakes any major roles from Mathews, but you never know. Woodhead proved to be ineffective both as a blocker and as a runner between the tackles, and it showed in his usage down the stretch. He seems the most likely to cede snaps to Brown. He had 427 snaps to Mathews' 395 last year.

 
This debate seems almost the inverse of Frank Gore several years ago when people were saying what a great pass catcher he was, but anyone who really watched knew he wasn't a natural receiving back and most of it was because of QB/WR play. In FF circles, it didn't matter cause he could be counted on for around 50 receptions a year, but now, he can barely be counted on for 20 thanks to better overall play around him despite playing a high volume of third downs (he's a beast at picking up the blitz).

What's that mean? Not much other than pure numbers don't tell the story. I've seen enough of Mathews that, while not an elite pass catching back like Spiller or Reggie Bush, he's natural enough to find more usage if SD decided to have him on downs where he doesn't run the ball. Seems like his production last year was more about his usage than his ability, especially given that he has a season with 50 under his belt.

I think Mathews is a near perfect RB2. His injury concerns are legit, but as a RB2, he isnt going to be your top guy so that risk is hedged a bit, a healthy Mathews is a near lock to put up RB2 numbers and if SD decides his overall play merits more snaps, he has real upside.

 
Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, Ryan Mathews weighed 227 pounds at Chargers minicamp, down nine pounds from that time last year.
We now have conflicting reports on his weight, as a June 17 U-T San Diego story stated Mathews "weighs 222 pounds, up seven from last August." We typically prefer running backs to play at lighter weighs, where they can be more fluid and explosive. Mathews is currently training in Los Angeles to prepare for camp.


Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Jul 17 - 11:01 AM

 
Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, Ryan Mathews weighed 227 pounds at Chargers minicamp, down nine pounds from that time last year.
We now have conflicting reports on his weight, as a June 17 U-T San Diego story stated Mathews "weighs 222 pounds, up seven from last August." We typically prefer running backs to play at lighter weighs, where they can be more fluid and explosive. Mathews is currently training in Los Angeles to prepare for camp.


Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Jul 17 - 11:01 AM
There are a few concerns around Mathews, but conditioning has never been one of them. I can't see getting concerned or optimistic due to any reports about his weight.

 
Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, Ryan Mathews weighed 227 pounds at Chargers minicamp, down nine pounds from that time last year.
We now have conflicting reports on his weight, as a June 17 U-T San Diego story stated Mathews "weighs 222 pounds, up seven from last August." We typically prefer running backs to play at lighter weighs, where they can be more fluid and explosive. Mathews is currently training in Los Angeles to prepare for camp.


Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Jul 17 - 11:01 AM
There are a few concerns around Mathews, but conditioning has never been one of them. I can't see getting concerned or optimistic due to any reports about his weight.
maybe not excited, but it's certainly not a bad thing. and to go along with all the reports last season from teammates that Mathews finally "got" what it took to be a professional athlete, I think it's good news for his dynasty owners

 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews is referring to the Chargers' backfield as "the three-headed monster."
"There is no such thing as a featured back any more," chimed in Bolts RBs coach Ollie Wilson. Since the end of last season, the Chargers have signed Donald Brown, extended Danny Woodhead's contract, and drafted Marion Grice. The plan is to play run-first football with enough running back depth to withstand a 16-game NFL grind. Mathews will remain the lead back, but his passing-game involvement will be limited. His early-fourth-round ADP is a bit aggressive, although we like him as a value pick in the fifth.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
 
People are saying that Mathews is a good receiver. This is a fantasy football message board, and in fantasy, it's the stats that matter. Mathews has the ability to rack up big receiving stats. So for FF purposes, you can say he's a good receiver.

But as an NFL RB, I wouldn't call him a good receiver. He's an excellent runner after the catch (which is how he gets receiving stats), but I'd say he's limited as a receiver. He can run screens and short swing patterns, and that's about it. Every once in a while he runs a wheel route with some success. But he's not the kind of RB who's going to run a seam route, or a post, or a corner, and he's certainly not going to move to the slot and run a square in or a deep out. C.J. Spiller can do that stuff, and Reggie Bush, and Jamaal Charles, and Andre Ellington, and Giovani Bernard, but that won't ever be Ryan Mathews.
Wtf? How many times have you seen those guys run deep outs? I've seen Spiller, but that's it. Reggie caught quite a few passes from the slot early in NO but I don't recall seeing him run a post route. This whole post of yours appears to be nothing more than conjecture. Charles had one of the highest drop rates of all the RBs last year, but he caught a ton of passes so people just assume he's one of the most adept receivers. Mathews hasn't been asked to run those routes, but that doesn't mean he can't. But being able to run those routes won't make or break him as a "good receiver". Like CDL said, no one is expecting him to be Marshall Faulk. Mathews catches the ball with his hands, runs well after the catch, and has a low drop rate - thus, he's a good receiver. And the pass blocking metrics say he's pretty good at that, too. Damn it Donald doesn't have a very good reputation in that category and Woodhead is terrible. He's certainly got a better build for blocking than most RBs. How many can do this?

I feel like he earned his goal line reps and some targets as the year went on, so hopefully he doesn't lose those aspects this year. I think Donald Brown is underrated, but I don't think he's better than Mathews at any facet of the game, so I'll be surprised if he overtakes any major roles from Mathews, but you never know. Woodhead proved to be ineffective both as a blocker and as a runner between the tackles, and it showed in his usage down the stretch. He seems the most likely to cede snaps to Brown. He had 427 snaps to Mathews' 395 last year.
Plus up until last year hasn't the SD line been in shambles? that would be asking a ton for them to hold a play long enough for a RB to run those vertical routes. Could be a reason why he hasn't shown that or it could be scheme IDK. Just a thought.

 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews is referring to the Chargers' backfield as "the three-headed monster."
"There is no such thing as a featured back any more," chimed in Bolts RBs coach Ollie Wilson. Since the end of last season, the Chargers have signed Donald Brown, extended Danny Woodhead's contract, and drafted Marion Grice. The plan is to play run-first football with enough running back depth to withstand a 16-game NFL grind. Mathews will remain the lead back, but his passing-game involvement will be limited. His early-fourth-round ADP is a bit aggressive, although we like him as a value pick in the fifth.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Ill let someone else grab him thank you berry musshhhh

 
Plus up until last year hasn't the SD line been in shambles? that would be asking a ton for them to hold a play long enough for a RB to run those vertical routes. Could be a reason why he hasn't shown that or it could be scheme IDK. Just a thought.
Hell, it wasn't even very good last year. McCoy and Whisenhunt were just smart enough to realize it so they employed quicker throws. The team definitely eroded around Norv and he wasn't creative enough to work with that. Norv and AJ Smith rode a 14-2 team into the ground. Last year's turnaround was very impressive.

 
Well he was looking good. But on his goal line carry he went airborne in typical Mathews fashion and the ball got popped loose before he crossed.

 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews (MCL) still hasn't been cleared to resume running.

Exactly one month removed from his MCL sprain, Mathews definitely won't play in Week 7 and doesn't sound like a lock to return in Week 8, either. The Chargers' bye isn't until Week 10. "When they think it's time for me to start running, then it's time to start running," Mathews said, referring to team doctors. "It's all in their hands." San Diego's Week 8 game against Denver is on a Thursday night, meaning the turnaround will be quick following Sunday's Week 7 game, reducing the chances of a Mathews return. The Chargers play the Dolphins in Week 9. Currently 5-1, if San Diego is still racking up wins at that point, it's conceivable Mathews could be held out through the Week 10 open date. Branden Oliver appears highly likely to be the Bolts' feature back for at least two more games, and quite possibly three.


Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Oct 15 - 10:18 PM
 
Rotoworld:

The Union-Tribune's Michael Gehlken says Ryan Mathews "may" be out through the Week 10 bye.

Note that Gehlken was merely responding to a question on Twitter, not necessarily reporting. But Mathews was ruled out for Thursday night's game against the Broncos early on and doesn't seem to be particularly close. Holding him out until Week 11 would make sense, especially with Branden Oliver playing so well.

Related: Branden Oliver

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter
Oct 23 - 10:28 AM
 
Rotoworld:

According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, there is a "chance" Ryan Mathews (knee) could return for the Chargers' Week 9 game against the Dolphins.

Mathews' MCL sprain has cost him six weeks. As the Chargers have begun to lose games, they may feel more urgency to get their best early-down runner back on the field. "That's in my head," Mathews said Friday of a potential Week 9 return. "I'm just going keep doing my treatment this week, come back on Monday, and see what they (team doctors) say." Per beat writer Michael Gehlken, Mathews is "clearly close," looks conditioned, and his "right knee was stable" during a Thursday evening workout before San Diego's loss to Denver. Mathews should be stashed in all fantasy leagues.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
 
Rotoworld:

The Union-Tribune San Diego's Michael Gehlken reports that it "appears likely" Ryan Mathews (knee) is held out through the Chargers' Week 10 bye.

Mathews once again didn't practice Wednesday. He's been out since spraining his MCL on September 14. With Branden Oliver playing well in San Diego's backfield, there's no need to rush Mathews. He still needs to be stashed in all fantasy leagues, as there's a good chance he returns to early-down duties.

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter
Oct 29 - 2:21 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews (MCL sprain) returned to a limited practice on Friday, and afterwards coach Mike McCoy announced Mathews is "getting close."

Mathews has been ruled out for Week 9 against the Dolphins, but he should be back following San Diego's Week 10 bye. He should also be owned in all leagues as the favorite for early-down carries and goal-line work in one of the league's best offenses. We expect Branden Oliver to stay involved once Mathews returns, but likely only as a passing-down back. Mathews is San Diego's bellcow runner and offers stretch-run RB1/2 upside in non-PPR leagues.


Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter
Oct 31 - 2:52 PM
 
Rotoworld:

The Union-Tribune San Diego confirms Ryan Mathews (knee) is almost assured to take over as the top RB once cleared.

The schedule has eaten up Branden Oliver a bit, as he's totaled 26 carries for 55 yards (2.11 YPC) with no touchdowns over the last two weeks in tough spots at Denver and at Miami. Regardless, we always expected Mathews to reclaim his role as the feature back, especially on early downs and near the goal-line. He shouldn't be on any waiver wires at all as he's tentatively expected back following the Week 10 bye and gets the Raiders in Week 11.

Related: Branden Oliver

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Nov 3 - 10:02 AM
 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews (knee) practiced again Wednesday and is fully expected to return to the lineup Week 11 against the Raiders.

The Chargers are getting in a light sessions before taking the next few days off as they are on their bye week. Once Mathews does return, he's expected to reclaim his spot atop the depth chart and handle the bulk of the early-down work. After a strong start, Branden Oliver has fallen off dramatically, rushing for just 55 yards on his last 26 carries. Mathews needs to be owned in all formats.

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter
Nov 5 - 12:57 PM
 
Rotoworld:

The Union-Tribune San Diego's Michael Gehlken expects Ryan Mathews (knee) to start Week 11 against the Raiders and see around 15 touches.

Mathews is coming back from a seven-game absence, and is expected to slide right back into the lead-back role on early downs, with Branden Oliver and Donald Brown filling the Nos. 2 and 3 jobs. The Raiders are allowing the third-most fantasy points to running backs and have surrendered 11 rushing scores. Mathews is back on the RB2 radar and needs to be owned in all formats.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Nov 12 - 3:22 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews' knee does not appear to be a concern for Week 12.
Mathews was spotted limping out of the locker room on Sunday, but insisted he felt "great." His knee was not a focus of his post-game comments. "I was just doing what I (could) when my number was called," Mathews said of handling the ball 17 times against the Raiders. "The coaching staff had a plan for me, and it worked." We'd expect similar usage against the Rams in Week 12, though it would be far from surprising if Mathews surpassed the 20-touch threshold.

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Nov 17 - 2:01 PM
 
Pretty disappointing to see the ineffective Oliver getting red zone carries over Mathews. Might've been due to Mathews getting 3 carries in a row. Hopefully they let him loose in his second game back.

 
Pretty disappointing to see the ineffective Oliver getting red zone carries over Mathews. Might've been due to Mathews getting 3 carries in a row. Hopefully they let him loose in his second game back.
I agree,but I think they had him on a pretty tight snap count,I'd look for him to be in a bit more this week with some red-zone chances.

 
Pretty disappointing to see the ineffective Oliver getting red zone carries over Mathews. Might've been due to Mathews getting 3 carries in a row. Hopefully they let him loose in his second game back.
I agree,but I think they had him on a pretty tight snap count,I'd look for him to be in a bit more this week with some red-zone chances.
This.

He will get more carries, Oliver was ineffective as always. Mathews is getting back into game shape and it was the Raiders, close game or not.

 
Pretty disappointing to see the ineffective Oliver getting red zone carries over Mathews. Might've been due to Mathews getting 3 carries in a row. Hopefully they let him loose in his second game back.
I agree,but I think they had him on a pretty tight snap count,I'd look for him to be in a bit more this week with some red-zone chances.
This.

He will get more carries, Oliver was ineffective as always. Mathews is getting back into game shape and it was the Raiders, close game or not.
But how confident are folks about trotting him out vs. STL?

 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews went to the locker room with an apparent injury after rushing for a 32-yard touchdown in the third quarter.
It looked to be a shoulder issue, but the Chargers have yet to announce anything. Mathews was running all over the Rams with 11 carries for 102 yards and the touchdown before leaving. After knocking off the rust in his Week 11 return from a sprained MCL, Mathews was looking good with 110 total yards. Branden Oliver and Donald Brown are handling backfield duties with Mathews out. He returned to the sidelines without his shoulder pads.

Nov 23 - 6:24 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Ryan Mathews rushed for 105 yards and one touchdown on 12 carries in the Chargers' Week 12 win over the Rams.
Mathews ran all over the Rams in the first half and ended an early third-quarter possession with a 32-yard touchdown scamper. But two Rams landed on top of him at the end of the run, and Mathews ended up missing about 20 minutes of game time with a shoulder injury before returning late in the fourth. He appears to be fine for Week 13 against the Ravens, where he'll be an RB2.

Nov 23 - 7:57 PM
 
I didn't realize he came back in the game. I guess that rules out any major injury. That's good news.

Now let's finish out the season the same way he did last year.

 

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