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2012 Offseason Dynasty Trades (1 Viewer)

I'm in a startup right now. McCoy went 5th. Richardson went 7th. Blackmon went 21st. Luck went 26th.

McCoy is very valuable right now because he's young and he's a proven difference maker. He and Ray Rice would be my top 2 redraft RBs for PPR leagues. This is a pretty special rookie draft though and I think the top player at QB, RB, and WR respectively all carry immediate top 10 value at their respective positions. That doesn't mean I would trade McCoy for Luck, but I see Blackmon becoming a Hakeem Nicks type in the NFL and Luck potentially being a top 3 QB for 15 years. Obviously there is RISK here, but there's also undeniable potential.

Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade, but it's not necessarily a catastrophe. Fred Davis was on pace for a monster season before his suspension. Even if you take him out of the equation, a late 1st and a future 1st carry a lot of value. Between those two picks you've got a decent shot to land another valuable commodity.

 
'Banemorth said:
'fruity pebbles said:
'EBF said:
I don't like the trade either, but it's hard to judge without knowing the particulars of the scoring format. I play in one league where passing yards and TDs count the same as rushing/receiving. In that format you have a rock solid top 3 of elite prospects in Luck, Richardson, and Blackmon. I don't think McCoy is worth THAT much more than the 1.03 pick. Fred Davis and two additional firsts is potentially a lot of value depending on how the draft picks are used.
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I think lesean and the 1.03 are on different planets in most scoring systems.
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I concur and reiterate...Team A is insane.
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That was my thought when I saw the trade go down. Then he makes this trade the next day:Team A gives:

Torrey Smith (BAL)

2012 Draft, Rnd 1 (1.02)

Team B gives:

C.J. Spiller (BUF)

Mark Ingram (NOR)

Vincent Brown (SDG)

2013 Draft, Rnd 1

FFPC scoring format.

 
14 team PPR

Team A gives: Rodgers

Daniel Thomas

AJ Green

2013 1st round rookie pick

Team B gives: Matt Ryan

Cruz

Stevie Johnson

Bowman

1.6

1.10

2.4

 
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:

Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14

Team B Gives: 1.1

Team B Gives: Hakeem Nicks

Team C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1st

Team B Gives: Marques Colston

Team D Gives: Shonn Greene

Team C Gives: Joe Flacco

Team A Gives: Peyton Manning

Team A Gives: Greg Jennings

Team E Gives: 1.3

Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance Moore

Team E Gives: 1.12

 
'FUBAR said:
'fruity pebbles said:
'buck56 said:
14 team PPRTeam A gives: Rodgers Daniel Thomas AJ Green 2013 1st round rookie pickTeam B gives: Matt Ryan Cruz Stevie Johnson Bowman 1.6 1.10 2.4
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Awful for team A
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I don't see why he would make that trade. Maybe he likes rookie picks (I'm guessing as he had Thomas and Green he must like picks), but he lost a ton of value.
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Yeah that's just awful. Rodgers and green are by far the two most valuable pieces
 
'EBF said:
I don't like the trade either, but it's hard to judge without knowing the particulars of the scoring format. I play in one league where passing yards and TDs count the same as rushing/receiving. In that format you have a rock solid top 3 of elite prospects in Luck, Richardson, and Blackmon. I don't think McCoy is worth THAT much more than the 1.03 pick. Fred Davis and two additional firsts is potentially a lot of value depending on how the draft picks are used.
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I think it's safe to say that if people don't specifically say they have a crazy off-the-wall scoring system then we should evaluate using a pretty standard scoring system.If people are playing in leagues with bizarre scoring systems and not mentioning it when posting their trades then they're doing everyone a huge disservice.
 
'Skeletore Eh said:
'FUBAR said:
'fruity pebbles said:
'buck56 said:
14 team PPRTeam A gives: Rodgers Daniel Thomas AJ Green 2013 1st round rookie pickTeam B gives: Matt Ryan Cruz Stevie Johnson Bowman 1.6 1.10 2.4
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Awful for team A
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I don't see why he would make that trade. Maybe he likes rookie picks (I'm guessing as he had Thomas and Green he must like picks), but he lost a ton of value.
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Yeah that's just awful. Rodgers and green are by far the two most valuable pieces
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Could that be Jacquizz Rodgers, not Aaron Rodgers? (I doubt it, as that would seem pretty lopsided the other direction, but it's worth mentioning...)(By the way: HUGE pet peeve of mine that people abbreviate/use nicknames/assume we know who they're talking about rather than use full names in this thread...there's more than one Bowman in the NFL...but that's neither here nor there... :boxing: )
 
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'Dawg Pound 69 said:
'Jaysports said:
This trade went down in one of my leagues today, pretty bad imo. Jordy is round 4 in ppr startup while DJax is 6 OR 7 from a few drafts I've seen. Team A gets DJax and a 3rdTeam B gets Jordy Nelson
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I don't think it's too bad. Last year will likely be Jordy's career best season, and Jackson's career worst. So a year from now they'll probably have nearly equal value.
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I agree that Jordy is a sell high and DJax is a buy low, but this trade isn't happening next year when they supposedly even out. The trade happened now, I think that is bad business to sell and buy players at assumed future values instead of perceived value here and now. Just my $.02...
 
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'Jaysports said:
'Dawg Pound 69 said:
'Jaysports said:
This trade went down in one of my leagues today, pretty bad imo. Jordy is round 4 in ppr startup while DJax is 6 OR 7 from a few drafts I've seen. Team A gets DJax and a 3rdTeam B gets Jordy Nelson
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I don't think it's too bad. Last year will likely be Jordy's career best season, and Jackson's career worst. So a year from now they'll probably have nearly equal value.
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I agree that Jordy is a sell high and DJax is a buy low, but this trade isn't happening next year when they supposedly even out. The trade happened now, I think that is bad business to sell and buy players at assumed future values instead of perceived value here and now. Just my $.02...
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I disagree. I would Trade Jordy straight for Desean. Jordy hit the perfect storm Finley underproduced Jennings got hurt and the 3rd string is a rookie, they also threw a ton due to no real run game. I expect all that to be different. People in startups rely too heavily on last years production and not enough on the body of work. I suspect Desean playing for a big contract this year will be an excellent play and would much rather have him then jordy at this point.
 
'Jaysports said:
'Dawg Pound 69 said:
'Jaysports said:
This trade went down in one of my leagues today, pretty bad imo. Jordy is round 4 in ppr startup while DJax is 6 OR 7 from a few drafts I've seen. Team A gets DJax and a 3rdTeam B gets Jordy Nelson
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I don't think it's too bad. Last year will likely be Jordy's career best season, and Jackson's career worst. So a year from now they'll probably have nearly equal value.
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I agree that Jordy is a sell high and DJax is a buy low, but this trade isn't happening next year when they supposedly even out. The trade happened now, I think that is bad business to sell and buy players at assumed future values instead of perceived value here and now. Just my $.02...
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I think the trade is fine. I'm not sold on either player really, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who think DJax's upside is higher than Nelson's despite Jackson's poor outing this year.
 
This dandy just went down in a Zealots league...

A gives:

Roddy White

Jeremy Maclin

Ben Tate

B gives:

DeSean Jackson

Brandon Lloyd

BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Oof.

 
'JPeso said:
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14Team B Gives: 1.1Team B Gives: Hakeem NicksTeam C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1stTeam B Gives: Marques ColstonTeam D Gives: Shonn GreeneTeam C Gives: Joe FlaccoTeam A Gives: Peyton ManningTeam A Gives: Greg JenningsTeam E Gives: 1.3Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance MooreTeam E Gives: 1.12
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I don't like that Colston/Greene trade at all. Greene is useless at this point.
 
'Illegal Pants Downfield said:
'Skeletore Eh said:
'FUBAR said:
'fruity pebbles said:
'buck56 said:
14 team PPRTeam A gives: Rodgers Daniel Thomas AJ Green 2013 1st round rookie pickTeam B gives: Matt Ryan Cruz Stevie Johnson Bowman 1.6 1.10 2.4
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Awful for team A
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I don't see why he would make that trade. Maybe he likes rookie picks (I'm guessing as he had Thomas and Green he must like picks), but he lost a ton of value.
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Yeah that's just awful. Rodgers and green are by far the two most valuable pieces
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Could that be Jacquizz Rodgers, not Aaron Rodgers? (I doubt it, as that would seem pretty lopsided the other direction, but it's worth mentioning...)(By the way: HUGE pet peeve of mine that people abbreviate/use nicknames/assume we know who they're talking about rather than use full names in this thread...there's more than one Bowman in the NFL...but that's neither here nor there... :boxing: )
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Navarro Bowman and Aaron Rodgers, sorry i didnt include 1st names.I was team B in the deal and team A offereded it 2 me.I won the league last year, and have a ton of depth, so i jumped on the offer. :banned:
 
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'Torn-ACL said:
'JPeso said:
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14Team B Gives: 1.1Team B Gives: Hakeem NicksTeam C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1stTeam B Gives: Marques ColstonTeam D Gives: Shonn GreeneTeam C Gives: Joe FlaccoTeam A Gives: Peyton ManningTeam A Gives: Greg JenningsTeam E Gives: 1.3Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance MooreTeam E Gives: 1.12
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I don't like that Colston/Greene trade at all. Greene is useless at this point.
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I think Greene is far from useless, yes Colston has more value right now, but if he doesnt resign w/ N.O. then his value plumments. Not to mention Colston has had 9 knee surgeries.
 
'Billy Ball Thorton said:
'Jaysports said:
'Dawg Pound 69 said:
'Jaysports said:
This trade went down in one of my leagues today, pretty bad imo. Jordy is round 4 in ppr startup while DJax is 6 OR 7 from a few drafts I've seen. Team A gets DJax and a 3rdTeam B gets Jordy Nelson
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I don't think it's too bad. Last year will likely be Jordy's career best season, and Jackson's career worst. So a year from now they'll probably have nearly equal value.
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I agree that Jordy is a sell high and DJax is a buy low, but this trade isn't happening next year when they supposedly even out. The trade happened now, I think that is bad business to sell and buy players at assumed future values instead of perceived value here and now. Just my $.02...
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I disagree. I would Trade Jordy straight for Desean. Jordy hit the perfect storm Finley underproduced Jennings got hurt and the 3rd string is a rookie, they also threw a ton due to no real run game. I expect all that to be different. People in startups rely too heavily on last years production and not enough on the body of work. I suspect Desean playing for a big contract this year will be an excellent play and would much rather have him then jordy at this point.
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I am way higher on Jordy than most and am probably alone on defending him (and never would consider trading him for Desean). Jordy has caught over 70% of his passes the past two years. That may not be sustainable but human nature as it is, i would rather throw to a player with a higher chance of catching the ball, so maybe Jordy breaks 100 targets for the year. I can see him re-upping and staying in GB to be with Rodgers for a few more years once his current deal is up. DJax catching percentage for four years has ranged from 49%-56%. He wants to get paid, believes he should get paid. But the image we have of him is sitting alone on the bench (or getting his bell rung). He only shows up during a contract year? Who is going to throw to him this year, or next? Another pass first team like PHI that can tolerate a WR who catches half the passes thrown to him? Those are variables I would want to avoid.I don't see either of these players being 80 catch WRs, and their ceiling is the year that Jordy had last year (or maybe Wallace or VJax in the 70/1200/10 range). You can take away 20% of Jordy's 2011 and still have 1,000 and 12 TDs.... but do we really think that ARod will only throw to him 77 times next year (or 5 times a game instead of 6)? And what if he targets him 7 times a gameI see Jordy as a low end WR1 with the best situation at QB in an offense that scores lots of points.And there is a misconception that GB throws a lot. Wrong. They do not throw a ton, 551 attempts during the regular season... there were 15 QBs with more attempts than Rodgers during the regular season. GB just happens to be more effecient in passing, and relatively deficient in running the ball.
 
'Torn-ACL said:
'JPeso said:
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14Team B Gives: 1.1Team B Gives: Hakeem NicksTeam C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1stTeam B Gives: Marques ColstonTeam D Gives: Shonn GreeneTeam C Gives: Joe FlaccoTeam A Gives: Peyton ManningTeam A Gives: Greg JenningsTeam E Gives: 1.3Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance MooreTeam E Gives: 1.12
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I don't like that Colston/Greene trade at all. Greene is useless at this point.
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I will second the opinion that Greene is far from useless. While he was a big disappointment last year, I think he was under utilized (which was part of the reason Shotty was jettisoned). If the Jets do not draft an RB or do not bring anyone in via FA, then Greene value take a decent bump IMO. Even under that scenario, thee is still a spot for Greene in this offense. He is far from useless.
 
'JPeso said:
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14Team B Gives: 1.1Team B Gives: Hakeem NicksTeam C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1stTeam B Gives: Marques ColstonTeam D Gives: Shonn GreeneTeam C Gives: Joe FlaccoTeam A Gives: Peyton ManningTeam A Gives: Greg JenningsTeam E Gives: 1.3Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance MooreTeam E Gives: 1.12
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Team F Gives: DeSean JacksonTeam G Gives: Dustin Keller, 1.11Team H Gives: Peyton Hillis, Montario Hardesty, 1.8Team B Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Dallas Clark, 3.1Team B Gives: 1.12Team I Gives: Michael Turner
 
14-team non-PPR

Team A Gives Saine, Brandon GBP RB; Jackson, DeSean PHI WR

Team B Gives Jones, Taiwan OAK RB; Moore, Denarius OAK WR

 
'32 Counter Pass said:
'Torn-ACL said:
'JPeso said:
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:

Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14

Team B Gives: 1.1

Team B Gives: Hakeem Nicks

Team C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1st

Team B Gives: Marques Colston

Team D Gives: Shonn Greene

Team C Gives: Joe Flacco

Team A Gives: Peyton Manning

Team A Gives: Greg Jennings

Team E Gives: 1.3

Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance Moore

Team E Gives: 1.12
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I don't like that Colston/Greene trade at all. Greene is useless at this point.
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I will second the opinion that Greene is far from useless. While he was a big disappointment last year, I think he was under utilized (which was part of the reason Shotty was jettisoned). If the Jets do not draft an RB or do not bring anyone in via FA, then Greene value take a decent bump IMO. Even under that scenario, thee is still a spot for Greene in this offense. He is far from useless.
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That's a big if.
 
'cstu said:
'32 Counter Pass said:
'Torn-ACL said:
'JPeso said:
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:

Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14

Team B Gives: 1.1

Team B Gives: Hakeem Nicks

Team C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1st

Team B Gives: Marques Colston

Team D Gives: Shonn Greene

Team C Gives: Joe Flacco

Team A Gives: Peyton Manning

Team A Gives: Greg Jennings

Team E Gives: 1.3

Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance Moore

Team E Gives: 1.12
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I don't like that Colston/Greene trade at all. Greene is useless at this point.
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I will second the opinion that Greene is far from useless. While he was a big disappointment last year, I think he was under utilized (which was part of the reason Shotty was jettisoned). If the Jets do not draft an RB or do not bring anyone in via FA, then Greene value take a decent bump IMO. Even under that scenario, thee is still a spot for Greene in this offense. He is far from useless.
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That's a big if.
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I agree, but labeling Greene "useless" is foolish at this point.
 
'32 Counter Pass said:
'cstu said:
'32 Counter Pass said:
'Torn-ACL said:
'JPeso said:
Not involved in any of these, but all went down in the past two weeks in a 14-team PPR league I commish:

Team A Gives: Hakeem Nicks, 1.14

Team B Gives: 1.1

Team B Gives: Hakeem Nicks

Team C Gives: Jeremy Maclin, Greg Little, Late 2013 1st

Team B Gives: Marques Colston

Team D Gives: Shonn Greene

Team C Gives: Joe Flacco

Team A Gives: Peyton Manning

Team A Gives: Greg Jennings

Team E Gives: 1.3

Team B Gives: Delone Carter, Ryan Grant, Lance Moore

Team E Gives: 1.12
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I don't like that Colston/Greene trade at all. Greene is useless at this point.
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I will second the opinion that Greene is far from useless. While he was a big disappointment last year, I think he was under utilized (which was part of the reason Shotty was jettisoned). If the Jets do not draft an RB or do not bring anyone in via FA, then Greene value take a decent bump IMO. Even under that scenario, thee is still a spot for Greene in this offense. He is far from useless.
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That's a big if.
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I agree, but labeling Greene "useless" is foolish at this point.
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I'd rather a mid 2nd, but you could probably get a late 1st. Greene isn't useless because there is an exit price, but he's nowhere near the type of player you want to actually be starting. ETA: I play PPR Dynasty only, and the trade above is a PPR league.

 
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12 team dynasty non-ppr:

team A gives - P. Manning, R. Helu and 2013 5th rd. rookie pick

team B gives - 2012 1.07 rookie pick, 2013 2nd rd. rookie pick and 2013 4th rd. rookie pick

Who's crazy here?

 
'JPeso said:
I'd rather a mid 2nd, but you could probably get a late 1st. Greene isn't useless because there is an exit price, but he's nowhere near the type of player you want to actually be starting. ETA: I play PPR Dynasty only, and the trade above is a PPR league.
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RB20 in PPR last year. Had 30 catches last year.
 
'thriftyrocker said:
'JPeso said:
I'd rather a mid 2nd, but you could probably get a late 1st. Greene isn't useless because there is an exit price, but he's nowhere near the type of player you want to actually be starting. ETA: I play PPR Dynasty only, and the trade above is a PPR league.
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RB20 in PPR last year. Had 30 catches last year.
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RB24 PPG in PPR. Lowest of low RB2. His situation will get worse before getting better when they add talent, so then what could we really expect? 12 PPG to maybe 10.5 PPG? 12 games in single digits instead of 8 games in single digits? He's 27 in August and I don't see him "building" on anything. Perhaps that is where I may be wrong.
 
12 team non ppr

Team A - 1.2, 2.11, 4.11 & HeyBey

for

Team B - Ahmad Bradshaw, Desean Jackson & 1.6

 
'jeter23 said:
12 team PPRA gave: Mike Williams (TB)/2013 2ndB gave: Jaquizz Rodgers/2014 4th
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Is Rodgers really worth more than Tampa Mike? No wonder I've been having trouble getting him lol.
 
Startup mid draft trade. sixteen team

Team A gives:

Demarco Murray

5.04

7.04

11.04

Team B gives:

6.01

2012 rookie 1.01

2012 rookie 2.16

2013 round one rookie

2013 round two rookie

 
'finito said:
'jeter23 said:
12 team PPRA gave: Mike Williams (TB)/2013 2ndB gave: Jaquizz Rodgers/2014 4th
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Is Rodgers really worth more than Tampa Mike? No wonder I've been having trouble getting him lol.
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Yeah, I think TB Williams is a good buy low. Got him and a 4th rounder, for DeAngelo and Ogbonnaya back in November. Liked getting Wiliams as my #4 WR for that price.
 
'finito said:
'jeter23 said:
12 team PPRA gave: Mike Williams (TB)/2013 2ndB gave: Jaquizz Rodgers/2014 4th
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Is Rodgers really worth more than Tampa Mike? No wonder I've been having trouble getting him lol.
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Depends on what u think of both players and how ur roster is structured. I made a similar deal in my league a few weeks ago. Gave Joe McKnight and Mike Williams TBReceived Quizz and Emmanual Sanders
 
Pittsburgh Steelers will give

Spiller, C.J. BUF RB

Smith, Torrey BAL WR

3.01

To Houston Texans for

Charles, Jamaal KCC RB

1.10

 
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