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Two weeks out from the Big Day....some say these rankings are meaningless, but more money, time, and eyeballs are committed to this 'sport' than ever before...and schools like Alabama, Florida, and Texas are reaping the rewards of successful recruiting classes.

Current Team Rankings - consensus is Florida, Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma:

Rivals team

Scout team

ESPN team

Current Player Rankings - mammoth OT Henderson and SC RB Lattimore the big names currently unsigned:

Rivals player

Scout player

ESPN player

Some big remaining storylines:

- Who will surprise? Auburn currently at #4 on Rivals, with some potential left, including Lattimore. FSU on verge of top 10.

- Who will disappoint? Where is Nebraska? Arkansas? Spurrier? OSU in the 20's?

- How far will Tennessee fall? They got as high as top 5...now currently #13 at Rivals, and just lost another commit yesterday.

- Who will rise late? OSU, Michigan, Miami, FSU?

 
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Two weeks out from the Big Day....some say these rankings are meaningless, but more money, time, and eyeballs are committed to this 'sport' than ever before...and schools like Alabama, Florida, and Texas are reaping the rewards of successful recruiting classes.- Who will rise late? OSU, Michigan, Miami, FSU?
Espn rankings suck :thumbup: Michigan may add Sean Parker or Rashad Knight. Dorsey was in for a visit this past weekend, but still visits USC and FSU, I like his speed, but I think he stays with UF
 
Two weeks out from the Big Day....some say these rankings are meaningless, but more money, time, and eyeballs are committed to this 'sport' than ever before...and schools like Alabama, Florida, and Texas are reaping the rewards of successful recruiting classes.- Who will rise late? OSU, Michigan, Miami, FSU?
Espn rankings suck :goodposting: Michigan may add Sean Parker or Rashad Knight. Dorsey was in for a visit this past weekend, but still visits USC and FSU, I like his speed, but I think he stays with UF
Amazing what UF has done thru the last month.How does ND finish? I remember hearing a few months ago that this was going to be one of the best classes ever for them...now they are out of the top 10 looking in.
 
5-star WR Markeith Ambles decommits from Tennessee yesterday, but looks like UT pulled 4-star WR Justin Hunter from LSU today.

 
New Rivals rankings have Tennessee dropping to #14 after exchanging WRs Hunter and Ambles.

FSU up to #10.

Miami down to #20.

Nebraska at #28 and Arkansas at #52. :no:

#5 player and Alabama commit Keenan Allen in Clemson today, with his brother.

Miami, UF, ND, and OSU all confident on #2 Henderson...USC people now thinking they have a shot.

#8 Owamagabe down to Oregon or Nebraska?

#10 Lattimore eliminates Penn St and Oregon...down to USCe and Auburn.

#20 LB Christian Jones a heavy FSU lean, but has Saban gotten in his head?

 
New Rivals rankings have Tennessee dropping to #14 after exchanging WRs Hunter and Ambles.FSU up to #10.Miami down to #20.Nebraska at #28 and Arkansas at #52. :lmao: #5 player and Alabama commit Keenan Allen in Clemson today, with his brother.Miami, UF, ND, and OSU all confident on #2 Henderson...USC people now thinking they have a shot.#8 Owamagabe down to Oregon or Nebraska?#10 Lattimore eliminates Penn St and Oregon...down to USCe and Auburn.#20 LB Christian Jones a heavy FSU lean, but has Saban gotten in his head?
let FSU have the DEF players they need them
 
New Rivals rankings have Tennessee dropping to #14 after exchanging WRs Hunter and Ambles.FSU up to #10.Miami down to #20.Nebraska at #28 and Arkansas at #52. :thumbup: #5 player and Alabama commit Keenan Allen in Clemson today, with his brother.Miami, UF, ND, and OSU all confident on #2 Henderson...USC people now thinking they have a shot.#8 Owamagabe down to Oregon or Nebraska?#10 Lattimore eliminates Penn St and Oregon...down to USCe and Auburn.#20 LB Christian Jones a heavy FSU lean, but has Saban gotten in his head?
let FSU have the DEF players they need them
I have been really impressed with FSU's class.Also Dorsey is visiting FSU this weekend, he is a verbal to UF, but last week went to UofM, it will be intresting to see if UF pulls his offer.
 
While not in the leagues with the big boys, Charlie Strong has come in at Louisville late in the process and put together a very good class (by our standards anyway) It looks like we will end up somewhere in the high 30's when its all said and done. I am excited to see what he can do after a full year of recruiting here.

 
5-star WR Markeith Ambles decommits from Tennessee yesterday, but looks like UT pulled 4-star WR Justin Hunter from LSU today.
Ambles is scheduled to visit Auburn the last weekend of the month, supposedly. Lattimore was supposed to be on AU's campus this weekend, on an unofficial, but didn't make it.
 
While not in the leagues with the big boys, Charlie Strong has come in at Louisville late in the process and put together a very good class (by our standards anyway) It looks like we will end up somewhere in the high 30's when its all said and done. I am excited to see what he can do after a full year of recruiting here.
Torrian Wilson #2 guard, was really hoping he would goto UofM
 
Two weeks out from the Big Day....some say these rankings are meaningless, but more money, time, and eyeballs are committed to this 'sport' than ever before...and schools like Alabama, Florida, and Texas are reaping the rewards of successful recruiting classes.- Who will rise late? OSU, Michigan, Miami, FSU?
Espn rankings suck :kicksrock: Michigan may add Sean Parker or Rashad Knight. Dorsey was in for a visit this past weekend, but still visits USC and FSU, I like his speed, but I think he stays with UF
Amazing what UF has done thru the last month.How does ND finish? I remember hearing a few months ago that this was going to be one of the best classes ever for them...now they are out of the top 10 looking in.
Losing Anthony Barr to UCLA recently really hurt ND.
 
Tennessee up to 11 at Rivals. Martaze Jackson (3 star), Glen Stanley (3), and Eddrick Loften (4 star) committed in the last few days

I've been very impressed with the fact that Dooley has been able to keep most of the commits and add some new ones. Anything in the top-20 after Kiffin skipped town would have to be considered a success.

 
I've been very impressed with the fact that Dooley has been able to keep most of the commits and add some new ones. Anything in the top-20 after Kiffin skipped town would have to be considered a success.
Dooley's done pretty well.Kiffy was hired in early Dec correct? Dooley is hired in early Jan, amid chaos...and he will likely have a similiarly ranked class as Kiffin's first year.
 
Two weeks out from the Big Day....some say these rankings are meaningless, but more money, time, and eyeballs are committed to this 'sport' than ever before...and schools like Alabama, Florida, and Texas are reaping the rewards of successful recruiting classes.- Who will rise late? OSU, Michigan, Miami, FSU?
Espn rankings suck :kicksrock: Michigan may add Sean Parker or Rashad Knight. Dorsey was in for a visit this past weekend, but still visits USC and FSU, I like his speed, but I think he stays with UF
Amazing what UF has done thru the last month.How does ND finish? I remember hearing a few months ago that this was going to be one of the best classes ever for them...now they are out of the top 10 looking in.
Losing Anthony Barr to UCLA recently really hurt ND.
ND lost 2 more this weekend, and are now down to 17
 
KAllen situation getting interesting, with him reported now leaning to Clemson over Alabama...but Alabama reportedly offering his brother now.

UA may also lose one of it's 2 DL commits, a kid from Nashville was a UT fan, hated Kiffin, and may now go back to UT with Dooley there.

So...in response Saban is going after Auburn's 5-star DL from Miss. Saban is now there today, kid is now in Ttown Thurs/Fri.

FSU lean Christian Jones now interested in UF?

 
KAllen situation getting interesting, with him reported now leaning to Clemson over Alabama...but Alabama reportedly offering his brother now.UA may also lose one of it's 2 DL commits, a kid from Nashville was a UT fan, hated Kiffin, and may now go back to UT with Dooley there.So...in response Saban is going after Auburn's 5-star DL from Miss. Saban is now there today, kid is now in Ttown Thurs/Fri.
Good example of why you still can't put everything into these rankings...even though they are better than ever. The DL commit that Saban may lose to UT is not ranked in the Rivals top 250 players, but the DL that may jump from Auburn to UA is the #22 ranked player in the country. Despite these ranking differences, Saban chose the un-ranked DL first, and is only offering the 5-star after losing the first kid.All about specific strengths, need, schemes, etc I guess...and what these coaches see in an 17-18 year old kid.
 
So...in response Saban is going after Auburn's 5-star DL from Miss. Saban is now there today, kid is now in Ttown Thurs/Fri.
This recruitment...of 5-start DL Shon Coleman...is getting entertaining. He leaves for Tuscaloosa tomorrow...so today Saban shows up at his highschool in Olive Branch, MS...and is met by Houston Nutt and Gene Chizik, who apparently also brought the entire Auburn coaching staff.
 
Good example of why you still can't put everything into these rankings...even though they are better than ever. The DL commit that Saban may lose to UT is not ranked in the Rivals top 250 players, but the DL that may jump from Auburn to UA is the #22 ranked player in the country. Despite these ranking differences, Saban chose the un-ranked DL first, and is only offering the 5-star after losing the first kid.
Agree completely. i was looking back at Rivals rankings of some recent UT classes and outside of Eric Berry, the best players they've had have not been the guys that came in as 5 star players. I think that coaches are (obviously) a lot more interested in their system and culture and in how they evaluate a player's potential in those systems. Rajion Neal is also "open" after his trip to Knoxville. He had been a MissSU commit and hasn't taken any other trips. Rivals has him as RB9, 151 overall. If he were to sign to play with Brown, Oku, and Poole in the backfield, the Vols would be as deep at RB in the next few years as any team in the SEC, IMO.
 
So...in response Saban is going after Auburn's 5-star DL from Miss. Saban is now there today, kid is now in Ttown Thurs/Fri.
This recruitment...of 5-start DL Shon Coleman...is getting entertaining. He leaves for Tuscaloosa tomorrow...so today Saban shows up at his highschool in Olive Branch, MS...and is met by Houston Nutt and Gene Chizik, who apparently also brought the entire Auburn coaching staff.
Coleman is OL, and has been pretty consistent saying he's going to Auburn. The source saying he's thinking about Bama is his head coach Scott Samsel, who tried to get Daren Bates to switch from Auburn to Bama last year as well.Not saying he won't end up at Bama or even Ole Miss, but Auburn has been on this kid consistently for months and it'll take an impressive effort to get him to switch.
 
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To answer the earlier questions about Nebraska's class, part of the ranking is that this going to be a small class and Nebraska has been holding the last few spots for some big recruits they are still after. If they land 5* DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa, 4* Safety Corey Cooper, and *4 QB Brion Carnes to round out the class they'll end up in the 15-20 range on a class of 21.

It's also a class that will have filled just about every need with quality prospects and stocked up both the offensive and defensive lines, so feeling good about it right now.

 
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I can't wait to see 5-star uberstud Xavier Lee lob touchdown passes to 5-star uberstud Fred Rouse.

 
Florida pulled Dorsey's scholarship. I'm thinking USC or FSU, Rich Rod will be having an in house with Dorsey in the coming days. :lmao:

 
Vols add Mychal Rivera, 3* TE. Rivals has them at 10 now with 20 commits. I don't put too much stock in the exact rankings, but anything in the top-20 will feel like a big win for Vols fans. Just making sure the cupboard isn't completely bare.

 
I can't wait to see 5-star uberstud Xavier Lee lob touchdown passes to 5-star uberstud Fred Rouse.
Should be unstoppable...I'm wondering how much success those great mid-to-late '00's classes from LSU, Florida, Texas, and Alabama will fare on the field.
 
Any comments out there for Oklahoma? I guess with 29 commits, there's very little new news out there.

I don't know how big a deal it is, but I'm concerned with the fact that they have zero five-star recruits (Rivals). I know that they are ranked fifth on Rivals, but I would think that would drop like a rock once other teams sign their recruits. There are a bunch of teams with 10-15 fewer recruits lined up behind Oklahoma.

I would think the emphasis in the class should be OL. Looks like they have five, and I guess I should be happy that four of them are four stars, but they need bulls that can ground out yards on the ground as well as pass block. I thought that OU was lucky to beat Stanford because they were about to convert third-and-eights on that last drive. A team like OU should be able to grind out four YPC consistently.

It looks like the chances of OU landing Henderson are about nil. Despite Rivals still listing him as on his list, other articles don't mention OU as on his list at all.

In other words, I think we are kidding ourselves if we think that OU has a top-10 class. I'm not saying it's an EPIC FAIL, but it sure looks like they are falling short across the board. Try to bring me off the ledge*!

*I know, it's not a science, they're just kids, blah blah :mellow:

 
To answer the earlier questions about Nebraska's class, part of the ranking is that this going to be a small class and Nebraska has been holding the last few spots for some big recruits they are still after. If they land 5* DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa, 4* Safety Corey Cooper, and *4 QB Brion Carnes to round out the class they'll end up in the 15-20 range on a class of 21. It's also a class that will have filled just about every need with quality prospects and stocked up both the offensive and defensive lines, so feeling good about it right now.
Yea, I've been seeing a lot of people list Nebraska as having a disappointing class, but I really like it, as it fills all of our needs. I understand why the stargazers don't like it, but that just magnifies why the whole star system is inherently flawed. If Nebraska finishes strong and both Owa and Cooper commit, this turns into an elite class. I'm pretty sure QB Brion Carnes is going to commit by next Sunday or Monday, as secondary qb target Cody Fajardo had his scheduled trip to Nebraska cancelled and said something along the lines of "the other qb is going to commit."This class is heavy on the lines, and nearly every commit has an uber high ceiling. The top juco OL (Jemarcus Hardrick) and 2 stud frosh DT's (Chase Rome and Jay Guy) are already enrolled and on campus. This class also includes top juco LB Lavonte David, the top TE in the country, juco or highschool, Chase Harper and guys like WR/RS Kenny Bell and WR Qunicy Enunwa who are better than a lot of 4 star guys at those same positions. The other thing I love about this class is that nearly all of these players are leaders and have high character. Also, everyone should make it with grades. I believe the only question marks are Braylon Heard and Carnes, but from what I've read I fully expect both to make it.Fwiw, Nebraska's 2004 class was a consensus top 5 class with at least one service ranking it #1. This class will be significantly better than that one. You can right it down, record it, take a picture, whatever you need to do to remember.
 
I can't wait to see 5-star uberstud Xavier Lee lob touchdown passes to 5-star uberstud Fred Rouse.
Should be unstoppable...I'm wondering how much success those great mid-to-late '00's classes from LSU, Florida, Texas, and Alabama will fare on the field.
Probably better than those great mid-to-late '00's classes from Notre Dame and Michigan.
I think the resources in recruiting now are 10x what they were back then.
 
I can't wait to see 5-star uberstud Xavier Lee lob touchdown passes to 5-star uberstud Fred Rouse.
Should be unstoppable...I'm wondering how much success those great mid-to-late '00's classes from LSU, Florida, Texas, and Alabama will fare on the field.
Probably better than those great mid-to-late '00's classes from Notre Dame and Michigan.
I think the resources in recruiting now are 10x what they were back then.
I completely agree. The "rankings" are better now than they ever have been with the internets and all of these highschool combines, allstar games, etc.But a large % of recruiting is still a crapshoot. Think about what an inexact science the NFL draft is. College recruiting is basically a complete crapshoot compared to that. There's a million reasons for this:- Not all players participate in the allstar games/combines.- Some players send out their film late, and thus are completely off the radar until the recruiting season winds down. - Most of these kids are still growing. For example, an uberstud 5* player might be maxed out bodywise, while a 3* player at the same position continues to grow and develop and ends up becoming a much better player.- Uberstuds in underpopulated states are habitually under-ranked.- The star rankings don't account for character.- Wildly different levels of competition in states and districts across the country make comparisons of players extremely difficult.- Etc. Etc. Etc.Now, I'm not saying you can win a BCS title with a bunch of 2 star recruits. But 4 star and 3 star recruits are pretty much interchangable for the most part, imo. And it seems like around 1/2 of the 5 star recruits in every class bust. Basically, I trust a good coaching staff's ranking of highschool players a lot more than I trust these recruiting services. When I hear who the top target is for Nebraska at a certain position, that's who I want to commit even if he has a lower star ranking than another player at the same position (who may be the 2nd, 3rd, 4th target, or maybe not even a target at all).
 
Basically, I trust a good coaching staff's ranking of highschool players a lot more than I trust these recruiting services. When I hear who the top target is for Nebraska at a certain position, that's who I want to commit even if he has a lower star ranking than another player at the same position (who may be the 2nd, 3rd, 4th target, or maybe not even a target at all).
I agree...and pointed this out earlier on the UA DT recruits...Saban went after a kid who is not top 250 over the #22 overall. I'll trust Saban's ranking.But that said...when a class loads up like LSU, UF, and Texas have done...and UA starting doing in '08...the odds are VERY good that will translate to onfield success...as it did. There will be plenty of hits in that top 150 or so players...and schools getting 6-8 of these kids are destined to get results.I also think most of the coaches who recruit that well are great talent evaluators...so they are also most likely to find the lower-ranked gems.So the proven recruiters are winning on both sides of the coin.
 
I also think most of the coaches who recruit that well are great talent evaluators...so they are also most likely to find the lower-ranked gems.
I think half of it is talent evaluation and half of it is being "plugged in" to people they trust, particularly HS coaches. They do their talent eval once the pool has been established and then narrowed.
 
I agree...and pointed this out earlier on the UA DT recruits...Saban went after a kid who is not top 250 over the #22 overall. I'll trust Saban's ranking.But that said...when a class loads up like LSU, UF, and Texas have done...and UA starting doing in '08...the odds are VERY good that will translate to onfield success...as it did. There will be plenty of hits in that top 150 or so players...and schools getting 6-8 of these kids are destined to get results.
Yes, the odds dramatically go up when you have monster recruiting class after monster recruiting class. But you obviously still need to develop and coach those players. For example, if you were to ask the average LSU fan if they would be willing to trade Les Miles for a better HC, but there would be a slight downtick in their annual recruting rankings (instead of perennially top 10, perennially top 20). I wonder what they would say?
I also think most of the coaches who recruit that well are great talent evaluators...so they are also most likely to find the lower-ranked gems.
Completely disagree with this. How many guys have committed to Texas, Florida, LSU, etc. the last few years who weren't ranked by the recruiting sites when they made their verbal? Serious question. These schools don't have to spend time and effort finding "lower-ranked gems." Sure, they'll occasionally find and offer one, but Mack Brown and Urban Meyer aren't scouring their states and the country looking for unknown gems.The coaches who excel at finding "lower-ranked gems" are generally at big time schools who are in bad geographic locations as far as highschool talent goes (i.e. Nebraska), non-BCS schools who are located in talent rich areas (i.e. TCU, South Florida), or non-BCS schools located in talent barren areas (i.e. Boise St.). The coaches who are the best at this are almost always the ones who have to do it out of necessity. Hell, when is the last time that Mack Brown had to even extend 50+ official offers in a given year for kids to come play at UT? Texas usually has most of its class full before fall camp.At least 3-6 times each recruiting cycle, Nebraska gets a commitment from some unranked player, and a substantial % of ignorant husker fans on message boards briefly meltdown "because rivals doesn't even have him ranked!" It's comical. How often does this occur at schools like Bama, Florida, or USC?
 
I also think most of the coaches who recruit that well are great talent evaluators...so they are also most likely to find the lower-ranked gems.
I think half of it is talent evaluation and half of it is being "plugged in" to people they trust, particularly HS coaches. They do their talent eval once the pool has been established and then narrowed.
:goodposting:When a college coach has good relations with a highschool coach, said highschool coach will tell them they need to take a look at one of their players who isn't getting recruited by any big schools, or possibly any schools.Like you said, trust here is huge because every highschool coach wants as many of their kids getting D1 scholarships as possible. There's an inherent conflict of interest.
 
Completely disagree with this. How many guys have committed to Texas, Florida, LSU, etc. the last few years who weren't ranked by the recruiting sites when they made their verbal? Serious question. These schools don't have to spend time and effort finding "lower-ranked gems." Sure, they'll occasionally find and offer one, but Mack Brown and Urban Meyer aren't scouring their states and the country looking for unknown gems.
I should clarify by 'lower-ranked gems' I'm narrowing it down to the top 15 teams or so...3-star kids...the lower end of the classes from what you see among the top classes. Coaches at good programs can recruit some big names almost automatically, but a great recruiter can also sprinkle on the 3-star kids that end of making a big difference.For Alabama recently that was kids like Terrance Cody, Marcel Dareus, and starting center William Vlachos.
 
Completely disagree with this. How many guys have committed to Texas, Florida, LSU, etc. the last few years who weren't ranked by the recruiting sites when they made their verbal? Serious question. These schools don't have to spend time and effort finding "lower-ranked gems." Sure, they'll occasionally find and offer one, but Mack Brown and Urban Meyer aren't scouring their states and the country looking for unknown gems.
I should clarify by 'lower-ranked gems' I'm narrowing it down to the top 15 teams or so...3-star kids...the lower end of the classes from what you see among the top classes. Coaches at good programs can recruit some big names almost automatically, but a great recruiter can also sprinkle on the 3-star kids that end of making a big difference.For Alabama recently that was kids like Terrance Cody, Marcel Dareus, and starting center William Vlachos.
3 star = lower ranked gem, does not compute. In fact, it's not uncommon for certain 3 star recruits to be sought after more highly than most of the 4 star recruits at their position. This is especially true for linemen, which all those players are.Just curious, were any of those guys not ranked by the recruiting services prior to committing to Bama? Then they would obviously fit the criteria. I'm talking about guys like Nebraska commit WR Quincy Enunwa, who is now listed as a 3 star, .1 below a 4 star by rivals.No one knew about this guy until his coach called Nebraska (same school as uber stub lb Eric Martin went to last year) and told them they needed to look at the guy. Nebraska did their research and quickly offered. At the time he wasn't ranked by any site. Then of course rivals ranked him since he committed to NU.
 
3 star = lower ranked gem, does not compute. In fact, it's not uncommon for certain 3 star recruits to be sought after more highly than most of the 4 star recruits at their position. This is especially true for linemen, which all those players are.Just curious, were any of those guys not ranked by the recruiting services prior to committing to Bama? Then they would obviously fit the criteria. I'm talking about guys like Nebraska commit WR Quincy Enunwa, who is now listed as a 3 star, .1 below a 4 star by rivals.No one knew about this guy until his coach called Nebraska (same school as uber stub lb Eric Martin went to last year) and told them they needed to look at the guy. Nebraska did their research and quickly offered. At the time he wasn't ranked by any site. Then of course rivals ranked him since he committed to NU.
Bad use of the phrase lower ranked gem by me...but my point was that a great recruiter at a big program can pill up the big names, and add on lower ranked kids that meet their needs well and contribute. There are coaches that pull top ranked classes...and there are coaches that pull top ranked classes that turn into very deep and productive rosters with contributions from top to bottom.
 
cautiously optimistic about Jordan Hicks and Jackson Jeffcoat committing to the real UT tomorrow...
OU have a chance at Hicks? That UT class will be loaded.
hicks is down to uf, osu and ut with uf being mostly out of it. jeffcoat is down to uh, ou and ut. theres talk of him going to ou b/c of his sister.

we'll see
Apparently Hicks and Jeffcoat are announcing around the same time tomorrow, and the only school they're considering in common is Texas so...who knows. Jeffcoat had originally said he was going to announce on the 31st, but he moved it up to tomorrow. If we got either one of these it will be great. Both would be an amazing end to an already incredible class.

There's also a kicker in town from Shreveport, Louisiana, Evangel H. S., who's currently committed to Arkansas. Will Russ. 6'3", 185#, also is a good punter and plays third base for his state champion baseball team...so he's a good athlete. Has a good leg, coupla 49 yarders to his credit, kicking off the ground. Apparently Arkansas brought in another kicker and Texas offered, so he decided to take the trip. This makes sense since both our best kickers are graduating. Rivals has him as the nation's "most Versatile" kicker and had this to say about him: "Has a huge leg as a place kicker but may have more upside as a punter. Also a standout baseball player."

Bachman also expects the visit to be a formality.

“It’s my understanding that Texas has already offered Will a scholarship,” Bachman said. “And I fully expect him to commit to Texas.”

Why?

“Because Texas is Texas,” Bachman said.
Again, as always, we'll see.

 
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