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Ray Rice video of KO punch released (1 Viewer)

Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
So who's going to fall on the sword to say he lied to Goodell? Someone has to take the blame and it won't be Roger.
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That won't save him -- quoth Goodell to Sean Payton: "If you didn't know, you should have".

Plus there will be Congressional inquiries and such. The NFL can't get its arms back around this ... it's got to run its course.
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Oh, that's going to come back and bite him in the ###. Nice quote, my friend!
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Link to the Congressional inquiry stuff, BTW ... USA Today just broke this about 20 minnutes ago.
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"Thus for example, while we understand that you have stated in an interview yesterday on behalf of the NFL that, 'We assumed that there was a video, we asked for the video, we asked for anything that was pertinent, but we were never granted that opportunity,' to our knowledge the public has not been informed as to specifically how and in what context the request was made," the letter said. "And specifically how relevant law enforcement responded. Nor has there been a full explanation as to whether the video was requested of others, such as Mr. Rice's attorney or the casino where the incident occurred (and if not, why not), or whether any employees, agents, or consultants of the league or any of its teams outside of your office had access to the video prior to September 8. We therefore urge greater transparency and explanations on these matters."
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fatness said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
So who's going to fall on the sword to say he lied to Goodell? Someone has to take the blame and it won't be Roger.
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That won't save him -- quoth Goodell to Sean Payton: "If you didn't know, you should have".

Plus there will be Congressional inquiries and such. The NFL can't get its arms back around this ... it's got to run its course.
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Oh, that's going to come back and bite him in the ###. Nice quote, my friend!
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Link to the Congressional inquiry stuff, BTW ... USA Today just broke this about 20 minnutes ago.
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From that article

"Thus for example, while we understand that you have stated in an interview yesterday on behalf of the NFL that, 'We assumed that there was a video, we asked for the video, we asked for anything that was pertinent, but we were never granted that opportunity,' to our knowledge the public has not been informed as to specifically how and in what context the request was made," the letter said. "And specifically how relevant law enforcement responded. Nor has there been a full explanation as to whether the video was requested of others, such as Mr. Rice's attorney or the casino where the incident occurred (and if not, why not), or whether any employees, agents, or consultants of the league or any of its teams outside of your office had access to the video prior to September 8. We therefore urge greater transparency and explanations on these matters."
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I think Congress should be looking at the criminal courts deal with this same case and not worried about how the NFL does since the NFL doesn't really have to answer to Congress on this.

 
TheFanatic said:
I think Congress should be looking at the criminal courts deal with this same case and not worried about how the NFL does since the NFL doesn't really have to answer to Congress on this.
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We'll see if any subpoenas are issued. Congress was happy to go after MLB, and even some players personally.

 
TheFanatic said:
fatness said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
So who's going to fall on the sword to say he lied to Goodell? Someone has to take the blame and it won't be Roger.
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That won't save him -- quoth Goodell to Sean Payton: "If you didn't know, you should have".

Plus there will be Congressional inquiries and such. The NFL can't get its arms back around this ... it's got to run its course.
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Oh, that's going to come back and bite him in the ###. Nice quote, my friend!
Click to expand...
Link to the Congressional inquiry stuff, BTW ... USA Today just broke this about 20 minnutes ago.
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From that article

"Thus for example, while we understand that you have stated in an interview yesterday on behalf of the NFL that, 'We assumed that there was a video, we asked for the video, we asked for anything that was pertinent, but we were never granted that opportunity,' to our knowledge the public has not been informed as to specifically how and in what context the request was made," the letter said. "And specifically how relevant law enforcement responded. Nor has there been a full explanation as to whether the video was requested of others, such as Mr. Rice's attorney or the casino where the incident occurred (and if not, why not), or whether any employees, agents, or consultants of the league or any of its teams outside of your office had access to the video prior to September 8. We therefore urge greater transparency and explanations on these matters."
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I think Congress should be looking at the criminal courts deal with this same case and not worried about how the NFL does since the NFL doesn't really have to answer to Congress on this.
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Just typical Congress dorks trying to weasel up to the Cool Kid Table like they always do at the sniff of any pro sports scandal.

 
TheFanatic said:
fatness said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
So who's going to fall on the sword to say he lied to Goodell? Someone has to take the blame and it won't be Roger.
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That won't save him -- quoth Goodell to Sean Payton: "If you didn't know, you should have".

Plus there will be Congressional inquiries and such. The NFL can't get its arms back around this ... it's got to run its course.
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Oh, that's going to come back and bite him in the ###. Nice quote, my friend!
Click to expand...
Link to the Congressional inquiry stuff, BTW ... USA Today just broke this about 20 minnutes ago.
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From that article

"Thus for example, while we understand that you have stated in an interview yesterday on behalf of the NFL that, 'We assumed that there was a video, we asked for the video, we asked for anything that was pertinent, but we were never granted that opportunity,' to our knowledge the public has not been informed as to specifically how and in what context the request was made," the letter said. "And specifically how relevant law enforcement responded. Nor has there been a full explanation as to whether the video was requested of others, such as Mr. Rice's attorney or the casino where the incident occurred (and if not, why not), or whether any employees, agents, or consultants of the league or any of its teams outside of your office had access to the video prior to September 8. We therefore urge greater transparency and explanations on these matters."
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I think Congress should be looking at the criminal courts deal with this same case and not worried about how the NFL does since the NFL doesn't really have to answer to Congress on this.
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Regardless of whether there's a Congressional hearing or investigation or not, it's an election year and this is good press for some in Congress. And it'll keep it bumped up in the news, which is exactly what the NFL doesn't want.

 
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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- Ray Rice spat in the face of Janay Palmer the night he punched her in a hotel elevator, one current and one former security staffer at the Revel hotel told "Outside the Lines."

Three current or former security staffers, who spoke with "Outside the Lines" this week on the condition of anonymity, described additional details of the ugly scene captured on video. Two of the men were on duty the night of the assault, while a third had full access to the security video, which he said he has watched dozens of times. TMZSports.com released a video this week that showed Rice punching Palmer in the face, appearing to knock her unconscious. Revel security workers watched the incident from the operations room through a security camera of the elevator.

One former staffer said Rice, the former Baltimore Ravens running back, spat in his then-fiancée's face twice, "once outside the elevator and once inside," prompting her to retaliate with movements that were ultimately countered with a knockout punch. According to the men, as Rice punched Palmer, the elevator the couple rode was rapidly approaching the hotel lobby just two floors above the casino floor. A security staffer, dispatched from his lobby post, saw Rice starting to drag his fiancée, who appeared to still be unconscious, out of the elevator.

"Get him away from her! Get him away from her!" the first responder was told by another security officer over a radio, one former security staffer told "Outside the Lines." The staffer had full access to the security footage.

The security staffers said they did not see any sign of injury on Palmer's face or head but added that her hair was covering much of her face, making it hard to determine her condition. They also said they didn't see any blood in the elevator or on the hip-level railing that Palmer's head appeared to strike as she fell to the elevator floor.

"The first thing he [Rice] said is, 'She's intoxicated. She drank too much. I'm just trying to get her to the room,'" one staffer said.

"When she regained consciousness she said, 'How could you do this to me? I'm the mother of your kid,'" that same staffer told "Outside the Lines."

With his fiancée still groggy, Rice dialed somebody on his cellphone and said, "I'm getting arrested tonight," the staffer said. Police arrived in 10 to 15 minutes.
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That former staffer estimates that 25 to 30 Revel security staffers saw the security camera footage of Rice striking Palmer. All of the staffers who spoke with "Outside the Lines" say they were not contacted by anyone from NFL security or the Ravens and they are not aware of any current or former co-workers who have been.
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Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
I think Congress should be looking at the criminal courts deal with this same case and not worried about how the NFL does since the NFL doesn't really have to answer to Congress on this.
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We'll see if any subpoenas are issued. Congress was happy to go after MLB, and even some players personally.
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Subpoenas :lol:

 
Not to cloud the conspiracy theory further, but:

97.5 - The Fanatic sports radio in Philly is reporting that the Atlantic City prosecutors office recommended that Rice be able enter the PTI (Pre-Trial Intervention) program, a rehab alternative to going thru the legal process. 97.5 yesterday wondered how on earth Rice would have been recommended for that program, as per the County website, it was clearly for "non-violent offenders who committed vitimless crimes". 97.5 even printed a screen shot of the "non-violent" requirement from the Atlantic County website. As has no been reported, they had a copy of the elevator tape when making this recommendation. Again, the language on the website was there just yesterday.

This is a link to the NJ site that explains it very similarly: http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/atlantic/criminal/pretrial.htm

Fast forward to today, when a check of the Atlantic County website has that language completely removed! Very interesting and ironic timing, eh? More importantly, who in the prosecutors office authorized Rice to avoid a trial, and equally as important, at who's urging?

This is going to get very ugly.

 
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Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
Doug B said:
TheFanatic said:
So who's going to fall on the sword to say he lied to Goodell? Someone has to take the blame and it won't be Roger.
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That won't save him -- quoth Goodell to Sean Payton: "If you didn't know, you should have".

Plus there will be Congressional inquiries and such. The NFL can't get its arms back around this ... it's got to run its course.
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Oh, that's going to come back and bite him in the ###. Nice quote, my friend!
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Link to the Congressional inquiry stuff, BTW ... USA Today just broke this about 20 minnutes ago.
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Talk about a waste of Congressional resources. I can't think of a matter less relevant to Congress.

 
Playing devil's advocate here... How does this affect Goodell when the tape was given "to an NFL executive"? I get that people will come back with the Sean Payton quote as mentioned above (nice job to whoever did that!) but there's going to be a level of plausible deniability here since there wasn't a specific person named who received it.

One more thing, and this is not devil's advocate: I don't really understand why people hate Goodell so much. You do realize he's the voice of the owners so the owners don't really have to do any bad, right? At the end of the day, he's not doing anything policy-wise the owners don't majority back so he's just the lightning rod for the wealthy owners. If you really hate the way the NFL is heading you *must* do it with your money--pointing the finger at Goodell is their plan to do whatever they want and still get you to spend your money.

 
I apologize to Limp Ditka in advance if this is a honda but I'm not searching the thread or all the others.

http://www.acpo.org/prosecutor.html

Mr. McClain received his B.A. degree in History from LaSalle College in Philadelphia in 1979 and he received his law degree from Rutgers University School of Law

 
3C said:
I apologize to Limp Ditka in advance if this is a honda but I'm not searching the thread or all the others.

http://www.acpo.org/prosecutor.html

Mr. McClain received his B.A. degree in History from LaSalle College in Philadelphia in 1979 and he received his law degree from Rutgers University School of Law
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You're special. Post what you want, when you want. It's obviously much more important when it comes from your keyboard anyway.

 
Limp Ditka said:
3C said:
I apologize to Limp Ditka in advance if this is a honda but I'm not searching the thread or all the others.

http://www.acpo.org/prosecutor.html

Mr. McClain received his B.A. degree in History from LaSalle College in Philadelphia in 1979 and he received his law degree from Rutgers University School of Law
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You're special. Post what you want, when you want. It's obviously much more important when it comes from your keyboard anyway.
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It's like your Woodward and Berstein breaking Watergate.

Well, more like Bernstein since he always comes second.

 
Limp Ditka said:
3C said:
I apologize to Limp Ditka in advance if this is a honda but I'm not searching the thread or all the others.

http://www.acpo.org/prosecutor.html

Mr. McClain received his B.A. degree in History from LaSalle College in Philadelphia in 1979 and he received his law degree from Rutgers University School of Law
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You're special. Post what you want, when you want. It's obviously much more important when it comes from your keyboard anyway.
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I'm on a backup keyboard, a laptop that's been down for a few months. Excuse me while I don't give a #### what you think.

 
False Start said:
Milkman said:
Lol what did you guys think it was going to look like? I'm not surprised or shocked in the least. I mean it sucks but it's a standard KO.
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This.

This goes to show how the American public reacts to hearing something then seeing it. Two different things. Doesnt mean Ray Rice is not a doosh and does not mean he doesnt deserve harsher, just means people are interesting. To the person above, Goodell is done? He works for the owners and since he has been commish the league is thriving, they are not gonna get rid of him because you dont like how long his penalty for the situation was.
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/nfl-owners-may-be-overvaluing-goodell/

 
GoBirds said:
Sure has quieted down as the week went on...maybe Rog is OK.
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Today we get (1) planes flying over stadiums demanding his resignation and (2) the Sunday news shows devoting time to it; which unto itself isnt a big deal, but actually has sifgnificant influence on the news cycle for the week ahead.

 
Touchdown There said:
3C said:
Touchdown There said:
Milkman said:
She did hit him first.......
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I don't have time to read the 12 pages in this thread already, but it is as simple as this. I am quoted in other threads that this video will come out eventually and that it will show that she assaulted him first. This video from TMZ has been HIGHLY ALTERED to make Ray Rice look worse. She assaulted him first but they fudged that portion of the video. Let's hope Ray can land on a team like the Colts.
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Gotta be schtick, right?
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No. TMZ jacked this video up with rewinds and skips. Did you watch the video?
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11563455/ray-rice-argue-videotape-assaulting-fiancee-was-edited

TMZ now admits they edited the video. Of course they are saying they "cleaned it up" instead of cutting out the parts where she was spitting on him. Every single camera in every casino on this planet is HD quality, so the crap video you see of Ray Rice is to make him look worse. Is that an excuse for what Ray did? No, but spitting on someone is assault and battery:

Battery: Act RequirementThe criminal act required for battery boils down to an offensive or harmful contact. This can range anywhere from the obvious battery where a physical attack such as a punch or kick is involved, to even minimal contact in some cases. Generally, a victim doesn't need to be injured or harmed for a battery to have occurred, so long as an offensive contact is involved. In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. Whether a particular contact is considered offensive is usually evaluated from the perspective of the "ordinary person".
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It was OBVIOUS the video was edited from day 1, but I get called out for "schtick". Ray Rice responded to battery in self defense - those are the facts of this case.

 
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Touchdown There said:
Touchdown There said:
3C said:
Touchdown There said:
Milkman said:
She did hit him first.......
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I don't have time to read the 12 pages in this thread already, but it is as simple as this. I am quoted in other threads that this video will come out eventually and that it will show that she assaulted him first. This video from TMZ has been HIGHLY ALTERED to make Ray Rice look worse. She assaulted him first but they fudged that portion of the video. Let's hope Ray can land on a team like the Colts.
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Gotta be schtick, right?
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No. TMZ jacked this video up with rewinds and skips. Did you watch the video?
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11563455/ray-rice-argue-videotape-assaulting-fiancee-was-edited

TMZ now admits they edited the video. Of course they are saying they "cleaned it up" instead of cutting out the parts where she was spitting on him. Every single camera in every casino on this planet is HD quality, so the crap video you see of Ray Rice is to make him look worse. Is that an excuse for what Ray did? No, but spitting on someone is assault and battery:

Battery: Act RequirementThe criminal act required for battery boils down to an offensive or harmful contact. This can range anywhere from the obvious battery where a physical attack such as a punch or kick is involved, to even minimal contact in some cases. Generally, a victim doesn't need to be injured or harmed for a battery to have occurred, so long as an offensive contact is involved. In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. Whether a particular contact is considered offensive is usually evaluated from the perspective of the "ordinary person".
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It was OBVIOUS the video was edited from day 1, but I get called out for "schtick". Ray Rice responded to battery in self defense - those are the facts of this case.
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Are you trying to say that spittle is a "harmful weapon"? Or that spitting causes severe injury? Unless she has AIDs, I doubt that her spit caused a serious injury and it certainly is not a "harmful weapon."

Maybe in the minds of a machismo punk it justifies KO'ing a woman, but not to any decent man.

 
az_prof said:
Touchdown There said:
Touchdown There said:
3C said:
Touchdown There said:
Milkman said:
She did hit him first.......
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I don't have time to read the 12 pages in this thread already, but it is as simple as this. I am quoted in other threads that this video will come out eventually and that it will show that she assaulted him first. This video from TMZ has been HIGHLY ALTERED to make Ray Rice look worse. She assaulted him first but they fudged that portion of the video. Let's hope Ray can land on a team like the Colts.
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Gotta be schtick, right?
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No. TMZ jacked this video up with rewinds and skips. Did you watch the video?
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11563455/ray-rice-argue-videotape-assaulting-fiancee-was-edited

TMZ now admits they edited the video. Of course they are saying they "cleaned it up" instead of cutting out the parts where she was spitting on him. Every single camera in every casino on this planet is HD quality, so the crap video you see of Ray Rice is to make him look worse. Is that an excuse for what Ray did? No, but spitting on someone is assault and battery:

Battery: Act RequirementThe criminal act required for battery boils down to an offensive or harmful contact. This can range anywhere from the obvious battery where a physical attack such as a punch or kick is involved, to even minimal contact in some cases. Generally, a victim doesn't need to be injured or harmed for a battery to have occurred, so long as an offensive contact is involved. In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. Whether a particular contact is considered offensive is usually evaluated from the perspective of the "ordinary person".
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It was OBVIOUS the video was edited from day 1, but I get called out for "schtick". Ray Rice responded to battery in self defense - those are the facts of this case.
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Are you trying to say that spittle is a "harmful weapon"? Or that spitting causes severe injury? Unless she has AIDs, I doubt that her spit caused a serious injury and it certainly is not a "harmful weapon."

Maybe in the minds of a machismo punk it justifies KO'ing a woman, but not to any decent man.
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Maybe. But the law you posted doesn't sound like spitting is assault.

 
az_prof said:
Maybe. But the law you posted doesn't sound like spitting is assault.
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Seemed pretty clear that it was in the "battery" category of "assault and battery" charges. Here is the law again:

Battery: Act Requirement

The criminal act required for battery boils down to an offensive or harmful contact. This can range anywhere from the obvious battery where a physical attack such as a punch or kick is involved, to even minimal contact in some cases. Generally, a victim doesn't need to be injured or harmed for a battery to have occurred, so long as an offensive contact is involved. In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. Whether a particular contact is considered offensive is usually evaluated from the perspective of the "ordinary person".
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Touchdown There said:
Touchdown There said:
3C said:
Touchdown There said:
Milkman said:
She did hit him first.......
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I don't have time to read the 12 pages in this thread already, but it is as simple as this. I am quoted in other threads that this video will come out eventually and that it will show that she assaulted him first. This video from TMZ has been HIGHLY ALTERED to make Ray Rice look worse. She assaulted him first but they fudged that portion of the video. Let's hope Ray can land on a team like the Colts.
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Gotta be schtick, right?
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No. TMZ jacked this video up with rewinds and skips. Did you watch the video?
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11563455/ray-rice-argue-videotape-assaulting-fiancee-was-edited

TMZ now admits they edited the video. Of course they are saying they "cleaned it up" instead of cutting out the parts where she was spitting on him. Every single camera in every casino on this planet is HD quality, so the crap video you see of Ray Rice is to make him look worse. Is that an excuse for what Ray did? No, but spitting on someone is assault and battery:

Battery: Act RequirementThe criminal act required for battery boils down to an offensive or harmful contact. This can range anywhere from the obvious battery where a physical attack such as a punch or kick is involved, to even minimal contact in some cases. Generally, a victim doesn't need to be injured or harmed for a battery to have occurred, so long as an offensive contact is involved. In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. Whether a particular contact is considered offensive is usually evaluated from the perspective of the "ordinary person".
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It was OBVIOUS the video was edited from day 1, but I get called out for "schtick". Ray Rice responded to battery in self defense - those are the facts of this case.
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self-defense to spitting = ko'ing a woman? reasonable/necessary force down?

 
bucsbaby said:
self-defense to spitting = ko'ing a woman? reasonable/necessary force down?
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Do you miss this post?

Touchdown There said:
I am saying that is the law and not justifying Rays knockout at the same time.
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Try to take your focus off of Ray Rice for a second and widen it. The law is the law. “After considering all relevant information in light of applicable law it was determined this was the appropriate disposition,” acting Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain said in a statement. Ray Rice is in a diversionary program and his record will be clear in a year. In short, criminal charges were dropped because of the evidence. What was the evidence? Ray Rice reacted to an act of battery.

After that TMZ altered the video and Goodell lied to the world.

 
Touchdown There said:
bucsbaby said:
self-defense to spitting = ko'ing a woman? reasonable/necessary force down?
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Touchdown There said:
I am saying that is the law and not justifying Rays knockout at the same time.
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Try to take your focus off of Ray Rice for a second and widen it. The law is the law. “After considering all relevant information in light of applicable law it was determined this was the appropriate disposition,” acting Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain said in a statement. Ray Rice is in a diversionary program and his record will be clear in a year. In short, criminal charges were dropped because of the evidence. What was the evidence? Ray Rice reacted to an act of battery.

After that TMZ altered the video and Goodell lied to the world.
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So, if someone spits on me and I knife them, I won't get charged?

 
bucsbaby said:
Touchdown There said:
bucsbaby said:
self-defense to spitting = ko'ing a woman? reasonable/necessary force down?
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Touchdown There said:
I am saying that is the law and not justifying Rays knockout at the same time.
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Try to take your focus off of Ray Rice for a second and widen it. The law is the law. After considering all relevant information in light of applicable law it was determined this was the appropriate disposition, acting Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain said in a statement. Ray Rice is in a diversionary program and his record will be clear in a year. In short, criminal charges were dropped because of the evidence. What was the evidence? Ray Rice reacted to an act of battery.

After that TMZ altered the video and Goodell lied to the world.
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So, if someone spits on me and I knife them, I won't get charged?
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No, that would be excessive force. A punch can be pawned off as reactionary, use of weapon is malicious intent.

 
Eminence said:
bucsbaby said:
Touchdown There said:
bucsbaby said:
self-defense to spitting = ko'ing a woman? reasonable/necessary force down?
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Touchdown There said:
I am saying that is the law and not justifying Rays knockout at the same time.
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Try to take your focus off of Ray Rice for a second and widen it. The law is the law. After considering all relevant information in light of applicable law it was determined this was the appropriate disposition, acting Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain said in a statement. Ray Rice is in a diversionary program and his record will be clear in a year. In short, criminal charges were dropped because of the evidence. What was the evidence? Ray Rice reacted to an act of battery.

After that TMZ altered the video and Goodell lied to the world.
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So, if someone spits on me and I knife them, I won't get charged?
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No, that would be excessive force. A punch can be pawned off as reactionary, use of weapon is malicious intent.
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Hey, those words all sound legal!

 
NFL athlete hits a woman so hard it KO's her because she spit at him. If the law doesn't view that as excessive force, the law is wrong.

 
Michael McCann , SI.com, Legal Analyst
Ray Rice hiring litigator Peter Ginsberg, who has sued NFL and PGA on behalf of Jonathan Vilma and Vijay Singh, sends clear message to NFL.
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Michael McCann , SI.com, Legal Analyst
Ray Rice knows that if he sues NFL and if lawsuit isn't dismissed, Goodell will have to testify under oath. NFL likely settles before then.
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Is Ray retiring in everyone eyes or is there a chance he will play again in the NFL this year?

I just acquired him in a money saving move and can save his whole contract if he retires....please retire.

Thoughts?

 
Blackjacks said:
Is Ray retiring in everyone eyes or is there a chance he will play again in the NFL this year?

I just acquired him in a money saving move and can save his whole contract if he retires....please retire.

Thoughts?
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I think he has to retire now. Or be semi-retired like Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson are/were. No team is going to take on his limited skill set for the PR nightmare. Moving on.....

He's done and he doesn't know it.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Blackjacks said:
Is Ray retiring in everyone eyes or is there a chance he will play again in the NFL this year?

I just acquired him in a money saving move and can save his whole contract if he retires....please retire.

Thoughts?
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I think he has to retire now. Or be semi-retired like Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson are/were. No team is going to take on his limited skill set for the PR nightmare. Moving on.....

He's done and he doesn't know it.
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Limited skill set? He rushed for over 1200 yards three years in a row; the last time a Raider rushed for 1200 yards was Charlie Garner in 1999. He'd certainly be a better investment from a football perspective than Trent Richardson. He's only 28.

 
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