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mlbnfl
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Long time lurker of the thread thought I would join in with Cliff and grow the Raptors fan by 1(was there a second one other than Cliff or am I confused). Funny how they held onto the third seed only to see if basically turn into what we expect the 4 seed to face but hopefully that just will make it sweeter beating Brooklyn. If the raps advance at least ill be able to see them play in person living in Miami but not looking forward to that series...but let's make it there first.
Cliff Clavin
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Hxpherson is another Raps fan that occasionally drops in.
I'm jealous. Haven't been to a game for about 3 years now. All my Toronto trips recently have been in the summer
I'm a bandwagon fan. I cheer for them from a distance, watch games when I can, but obviously in the past interest wanes quickly. Will never pretend to be a real fan, but it's nice to see them having success.
Hxpherson is another Raps fan that occasionally drops in.
I'm jealous. Haven't been to a game for about 3 years now. All my Toronto trips recently have been in the summer
Anyone else think JV can be a dominant centre if he ever learns to pass. Seems to have a little black hole syndrome. Few things more valuable than a big man who can score and pass.
mlbnfl
Footballguy
I've gone here and there over the years when they visit. Family friends know Steve Blake so when the Blazers were in town one year we got passes to wait after the game for him to come out courtside. Got a pic with Greg Oden and Big Sexy (you ever read realgm? only way Big Sexy will make sense I think). Also saw Jarrett Jack wearing the most blinged out watch I've ever seen like 20 feet away.
Hxpherson is another Raps fan that occasionally drops in.
I'm jealous. Haven't been to a game for about 3 years now. All my Toronto trips recently have been in the summer
mlbnfl
Footballguy
I love the way JV has been playing lately and think he is going to be a very good center in the league for a decade but I personally am not sure he's ever going to be dominant. Still super young so who knows what players he grows into during his prime but my gut tells me he's closer to 16-18ppg ceiling then 20+. As for passing he certainly could improve but when I have been watching lately I don't feel like he's a black hole, at least in the sense that I don't think he puts up a ton of bad shots. Not saying the ball doesn't stop when it gets to him, but I think most fans are happy when he makes a strong move. Maybe if he got more touches not passing it out would be more of an issue. Truth be told though, while I keep up with everything, I have only been watching full games this year for the last month or two, which more or less coincides with his most impressive play of the season.I'm a bandwagon fan. I cheer for them from a distance, watch games when I can, but obviously in the past interest wanes quickly. Will never pretend to be a real fan, but it's nice to see them having success.
Hxpherson is another Raps fan that occasionally drops in.
I'm jealous. Haven't been to a game for about 3 years now. All my Toronto trips recently have been in the summer
Anyone else think JV can be a dominant centre if he ever learns to pass. Seems to have a little black hole syndrome. Few things more valuable than a big man who can score and pass.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
People can come up with all kinds of overly complicated analysis to predict playoff results, but that seems unnecessary. These teams have all played against each other several times already this season, and based on those results it's clear who will win the championship.
matuski
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I'm with MLBNFL in that I think he'll be good but not dominant; a ceiling of about 15-17/10. Only 7 guys (Love, Aldridge, Howard, Davis, Cousins, Randolph, Jefferson) did that this year and if JV is ever in the conversation with any of those guys, that is plenty good.I'm a bandwagon fan. I cheer for them from a distance, watch games when I can, but obviously in the past interest wanes quickly. Will never pretend to be a real fan, but it's nice to see them having success.
Hxpherson is another Raps fan that occasionally drops in.
I'm jealous. Haven't been to a game for about 3 years now. All my Toronto trips recently have been in the summer
Anyone else think JV can be a dominant centre if he ever learns to pass. Seems to have a little black hole syndrome. Few things more valuable than a big man who can score and pass.
His offensive game still seems pretty mechanical and deliberate; there isn't much flow to it when he gets the ball in the post... and that pump fake has got to go. I don't have any complaints of him being a black hole. He doesn't see any double teams and he's the most efficient scorer on the team. When the doubles do start coming, his passing will definitely have to improve.
For a 21 kid with only 2 years experience in the American game, he's doing pretty good. There are definitely things we could nit-pick about but the positives far outweigh the negatives. Can step out and hit a jumper, good FT shooter, efficient scorer, good athleticism, competent defender, he doesn't take #### out there and by far his best attribute: he's not Bargnani.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
First time in NBA history that the Lakers, Celtics and Knicks ALL missed the playoffs.
Timmay
Footballguy
First round series odds, only value I see are the Raptors.
- Heat -2000 over Bobcats +1200 (93% chance of Heat advancing)
- Spurs -675 over Mavs +550 (85% chance of Spurs advancing)
- Pacers -560 over Hawks +480 (83% chance of Pacers advancing)
- Thunder -350 over Grizzlies +300 (76% chance of Thunder advancing)
- Clippers -350 over Warriors +300 (76% chance of Clippers advancing)
- Bulls -190 over Wizards +170 (64% chance of Bulls advancing)
- Rockets -190 over Blazers +170 (64% chance of Rockets advancing)
- Nets -130 over Raptors +110 (54% chance of Nets advancing)
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Totally agree. I'm gonna play the Raptors and that's probably it.
I was hoping the Clippers were gonna be somewhere in the -250 range. Guessing the Bogut injury killed that. Also was hoping the Heat would grab the 1 seed and the Pacers would have to play the Bobcats, Charlotte would have made an attractive heavy underdog there.
Grizz worth a shot maybe?
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mlbnfl
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I don't think Masai will want to overpay for him but I think a lot of whatever momentum they've picked up during this season (especially if they pickup a playoff series win) will feel lost if he walks. He seems to want to stay and hopefully that plays a small role in asking price as he has had issues with his situations in the past. I hope they work something out, they really need to try to keep him if they want to keep moving forward.Abraham said:
pollardsvision
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't like the matchup. Bulls are best in the league at taking away the corner 3, which is a huge part of the Wall offense. A more experienced team with a better coach would adjust to that and find other looks they liked. But I don't trust this young Wiz backcourt or Randy Wittman to respond with anything other than a whole bunch of long twos.
Moe.
Footballguy
Absolutely. I don't understand why the Thunder and Clippers have the same odds. 76% seems awfully high for the Thunder.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I'll buy that but don't underestimate how bad the Bulls offense can be. 3rd worst in the league in points per possession above only the 76ers and Magic. The Bulls offense has been better when Noah has his good games racking up assists but a lot of that is the result of bad, lazy defense against cutters. That can be stopped -- particuarly after seeing it over and over in a series.
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TobiasFunke
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Yup, and the Wiz defense is better than they get credit for. Everyone assumes Wall = fast break offense with lots of high percentage looks, but they shoot so many low percentage shots in the half court that they're actually a below-average NBA offense. The D on the other hand is ranked 10th, which should be enough to handle the Bulls (and make for a lot of games in the 80s).
If the Wiz had home court I'd like their chances, but I have a hard time imagining anything other than an 0-2 start and a lot of deer-in-the-headlights looks from Wall and Beal in Chicago. Of course I've been a Wiz fan for many years, which is pretty much the polar opposite of normal homerism, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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Timmay
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I think the Grizzlies have the next best value behind the Raptors just because I don't see any of the other teams having a chance to pull off an upset barring injury.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
3/$36 would be great. He'd expire the same time as Derozan (if Derozan exercises his option) and when JV and Ross would be RFAs. Keep the same team together and let them grow. They're a young team and have plenty of room for improvement.
IMO, he past issues boiled down to him wanting to be a starter. In Memphis he was battling with Conley. In Houston it was with Dragic and Brooks. His first year in Toronto was with Calderon. He was given the reigns this year and by all accounts he has been the ideal leader. No more worrying about his minutes or his role on the team.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Hopefully!
I've been reading about "playoff experience" but, honestly, I don't know how much of a difference that really makes. Another thing going against the Bulls is the same criticism we've heard in all the Thibodeau years even with a healthy Rose: They are a good to great regular season team but not as good in the playoffs. That's due to the Bulls being better in the regular season than almost every other team at being energized, prepared and motivated to play a regular season. That advantage is minimized in the playoffs when every team is well motivated (or, at least, should be!).
Sebowski
Footballguy
I had to skip through some of the middle of that, but glad I jumped back in there for the end
I'm going to try and let the Wiz (I just can't come to calling them Zards. When did that start and why? Sounds too much like if it started with a T instead of a Z) ease the pain of a no Caps hockey playoffs. Just one series is what I used to there, so anything more is bonus.
Kev4029
Footballguy
If there is one complaint about Ujiri, its that he has overpaid for in house talent in the past.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It should be fun. Nice that they get Friday night and Sunday afternoon home games, the vibe downtown by Verizon Center should be the best we've had in years, especially if they can somehow steal one of the first two games in Chicago.I had to skip through some of the middle of that, but glad I jumped back in there for the end
I'm going to try and let the Wiz (I just can't come to calling them Zards. When did that start and why? Sounds too much like if it started with a T instead of a Z) ease the pain of a no Caps hockey playoffs. Just one series is what I used to there, so anything more is bonus.
mlbnfl
Footballguy
Yeah but then he realizes that and flips them for stars like Javale.
Im just hoping nothing like that happens and thinking happy thoughts so far like got rid of Bargnani and got rid of Gay (nttawwt).
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Really wish they'd start these series Thursday or Friday.
Probably been many years ago at this point, but could have sworn they used to start Thurs/Fri.
Probably been many years ago at this point, but could have sworn they used to start Thurs/Fri.
the moops
Footballguy
Any suggestions on how to attack this playoff pool?
Each round, you select 5 players from any team. Total up all their points+rebounds+assists for the entire series. Can't use any of the same players again. Winners get paid in each round, and for total playoffs.
I honestly have zero idea where to start with this one.
Each round, you select 5 players from any team. Total up all their points+rebounds+assists for the entire series. Can't use any of the same players again. Winners get paid in each round, and for total playoffs.
I honestly have zero idea where to start with this one.
Yeah I don't get it either. Open real-estate.Really wish they'd start these series Thursday or Friday.
Probably been many years ago at this point, but could have sworn they used to start Thurs/Fri.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
In the 1st round, take players that are going to be in long series (Raptors and Nets) and "studs" that will be eliminated in the first round. I'd go:
Lowry
J.Johnson
Derozan
Curry
Lillard or Aldridge
Or maybe Millsap, Dirk or Wall.
Raptors/Nets will be eliminated in the 2nd round so you don't need to worry about taking them in later rounds.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I'd look for the five best PRA guys on teams that are expected to lose. Curry, Randolph, Dirk, A-Jeff, Wall?
Don't take two from the same team, so you have a backup if one of those teams pulls an upset. David Lee or Monta or Conley, for example.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
That does sound like fun. I think I'd take...
Curry (risky, but could be a monster if that thing goes 6)
Lowry
Harden
Aldridge
Last spot either Lillard, Wall, or Noah.
Curry (risky, but could be a monster if that thing goes 6)
Lowry
Harden
Aldridge
Last spot either Lillard, Wall, or Noah.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
In. I'll setup a google doc in the morning to track it.
Bragging rights or $25? (thread regulars only if we're doing cash. Dr. Gobbler can hold the money)
If money, payout? 1st round 10%, 2nd 20%, 3rd 30%, finals 40%? Or just payout top 2-3 guys overall?
Post picks in here.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
It's likely Griffin will win, and I'd rather have the chance to use him in a later series.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
In (for fun or $25)
ETA - I guess spoilers are unnecessary but I'll leave it for now. If we decide on money then let me know who is holding the money and I can paypal later today or tomorrow.
Aldridge
Lillard
Wall
DeRozan
Curry
Lillard
Wall
DeRozan
Curry
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Cliff Clavin
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Is the % chance of advancing just based on the line? Basketball-reference has Toronto at 77.8% to take the series. Only slightly lower than CHA and ATL (both @ 20%). They don't factor in the experience edge which seems to be the deciding factor in every "expert" pick.
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Cliff Clavin
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Premier
Footballguy
25 sounds good to me. You guys figure out the payout, I don't care.
Long Ball Larry
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Sixers owner josh Harris calls season a "huge success"
http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-sixers/josh-harris-says-sixers-season-huge-success
http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-sixers/josh-harris-says-sixers-season-huge-success
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