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Thought show was decent.

Enjoyed the battle royal even with the unoriginal ending. They really should institute a 10 count on guys that go under the top rope. Miz needs the belt more than anyone else (so he has some/any reason to be relevant).

Glad they're extending Swagger/Russev program. Swagger getting a reaction for the 1st time in his 6 years with the company. Thank Zeb Coulter & WWE for sticking with Swagger when they easily could have released him awhile back.

Missed the Jericho match. Surprised to hear he won. Imagine Wyatt goes over at SS.

Thought the divas match was sloppy garbage from Paige's end. Not one of her better outings.

4 minute PPV "post show". :lmao:
That match was downright awkward all around. I was hoping they'd do well with more time, but it didn't turn out that way. I'm sure they'll send her back to NXT to let her cook a little longer, but I still think she's got more talent than most of the main Diva roster.

 
Wow, of all the horrid attempts at Russian accents over the years (Nikita Koloff), this woman takes the cake.
At least Nikita lived the gimmick for 6 years. He apparently tried to never speak anything but broken English nor break character, even off TV.
As a kid, I didn't really notice how bad it was. But I am watching a lot of old nwa, boy was it bad. Also never understood why they turned him face. He was awesome when he was a heel.
The NWA needed someone to fill in as it appeared they were moving to book Flair vs Magnum for Starrcade '86. Nikita had a lot of momentum coming off of his feud with Magnum TA and after Magnum's career ending vehicle accident, they were desperate to fill the void. Nikita was getting a lot of cheers, so they aligned him with Dusty and rekindled his feud with Flair (Flair and Koloff had met prior at The Great American Bash '85 - with both playing heels, but Flair getting the cheers). I still wonder how much would have changed if Magnum wouldn't have had his accident.
I don't think you get sting.

But I think that core of the horsemen, dusty, the expresses and road warriors stays together because magnum had that much breakout potential.

Flair vs magnum could carry that company for 5 years

 
Wow, of all the horrid attempts at Russian accents over the years (Nikita Koloff), this woman takes the cake.
At least Nikita lived the gimmick for 6 years. He apparently tried to never speak anything but broken English nor break character, even off TV.
As a kid, I didn't really notice how bad it was. But I am watching a lot of old nwa, boy was it bad. Also never understood why they turned him face. He was awesome when he was a heel.
The NWA needed someone to fill in as it appeared they were moving to book Flair vs Magnum for Starrcade '86. Nikita had a lot of momentum coming off of his feud with Magnum TA and after Magnum's career ending vehicle accident, they were desperate to fill the void. Nikita was getting a lot of cheers, so they aligned him with Dusty and rekindled his feud with Flair (Flair and Koloff had met prior at The Great American Bash '85 - with both playing heels, but Flair getting the cheers). I still wonder how much would have changed if Magnum wouldn't have had his accident.
I don't think you get sting.

But I think that core of the horsemen, dusty, the expresses and road warriors stays together because magnum had that much breakout potential.

Flair vs magnum could carry that company for 5 years
I disagree about Sting, he was breaking out one way or another IMO.

Agree about the rest though, although I thing hindsight and 'what could have been' is really kind when it comes to Magnum. I used to watch religiously back than and, I agree, Magnum was getting the belt at some point. However, with Dusty as the booker, I could see the same formula coming a mile away: Magnum wins the belt, he loses it under shady circumstances, he goes in a slump, he turns on Dusty, they feud for several months, Magnum moves on to WWE to freshen up the character. I honestly only see one title reign for him (probably replacing Ronnie Garvin's win).

 
Wow, of all the horrid attempts at Russian accents over the years (Nikita Koloff), this woman takes the cake.
At least Nikita lived the gimmick for 6 years. He apparently tried to never speak anything but broken English nor break character, even off TV.
As a kid, I didn't really notice how bad it was. But I am watching a lot of old nwa, boy was it bad. Also never understood why they turned him face. He was awesome when he was a heel.
The NWA needed someone to fill in as it appeared they were moving to book Flair vs Magnum for Starrcade '86. Nikita had a lot of momentum coming off of his feud with Magnum TA and after Magnum's career ending vehicle accident, they were desperate to fill the void. Nikita was getting a lot of cheers, so they aligned him with Dusty and rekindled his feud with Flair (Flair and Koloff had met prior at The Great American Bash '85 - with both playing heels, but Flair getting the cheers). I still wonder how much would have changed if Magnum wouldn't have had his accident.
I don't think you get sting.

But I think that core of the horsemen, dusty, the expresses and road warriors stays together because magnum had that much breakout potential.

Flair vs magnum could carry that company for 5 years
I disagree about Sting, he was breaking out one way or another IMO.
True, but Sting never came close to dominating in the 90s like they thought he would. His first two world title reigns were total flops and he was never given another extended run with the belt again (all of his later reigns were really short). Sting was a guy who was over as hell being the guy on the way up, but just wasn't "long championship reign" material.

 
Meh PPV.

Hate Fatal Fours with the heavyweights. Leave those matches to the cruiserweights.

Why is Rollins leaving early when he can cash in the briefcase at the end of the show?

Was a sloppy Divas match, but honestly I could watch Paige and AJ Lee for three hours and not complain. Without giving too much thought, they are both in my top 5 Divas of all time joining, Stacy Keibler, Lita and Miss Elizabeth. Sorry Trish and Kat, you are now pushed down into the top 10.

Brock shows up tonight, challenges Cena. Destroys Cena at SS but doesn't win the title, maybe gets himself DQd in the process. Rollins runs down, cashes in and is Corporate Champ with HHH claiming that Brock was "Plan B" all along.

Leaves Brock/Cena rematch and Rollins/Reigns for the title at Survivor Series.

 
With the way WWE has been booking this #### and with their horrible storylines, I'm betting Cena goes over Brock at SS.

More of the same overcome the odds ####.

 
I'm surprised by all the bad reviews from last night's show. I thought it was a good one...

The opening tag team match was fantastic and shocked most people to see Harper & Rowan not take the title. Where do these teams go from here? The only tag teams that I'm aware of right now are the Dust Brothers and Rybaxel. Nothing really inspiring there, so I'm at a loss as to how a tag match gets on at Summer Slam.

Swagger/Rusev seem to work well together and the crowd was into it. Also, Lana is so ridiculously hot. They could just put the camera on her for the entire 3 hours of Raw tonight and I'd be happy.

The battle royal was fun with more great spots from Kofi (the guy is so good in the gimmick matches), good work from Ziggler, Del Rio and Cesaro and the predictable (but nice) swerve with Miz winning. No complaints here. I'm hoping for a Ziggler/Miz feud in the coming months. That could be really, really good.

And the main event kept a good pace with many quality spots throughout despite having some really stale story lines weaving through.

 
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The Wyatts have to win sometime , they cant keep having them lose , right?

Luke Harper has the best closeline I've seen in a longtime

 
People are loving the Bo Dallas gimmick, but are cool on Adam Rose and Damian Sandow. But ultimately I think they all fall into the same category - a comedy act that is sort of entertaining on its own for 5 minutes, but it doesn't really work as the gimmicks aren't set up to really have a story line with anyone else.

Where does Bo really go from here? Everyone loves laughing at and with his shtick, so it's tough for a face to work with that. And yet he's much too smarmy to really work as a face at the moment.

 
The Wyatts have to win sometime , they cant keep having them lose , right?

Luke Harper has the best closeline I've seen in a longtime
I guess, but who are they going to beat? Are the writers going to book another Usos/Wyatt match for Summer Slam? Last night should have been the end to that story.

The only face tag team are the Dust Brothers - who are trying to be built up themselves. Maybe Kofi and Big E if they start working together?

 
I'm surprised by all the bad reviews from last night's show. I thought it was a good one...

The opening tag team match was fantastic and shocked most people to see Harper & Rowan not take the title. Where do these teams go from here? The only tag teams that I'm aware of right now are the Dust Brothers and Rybaxel. Nothing really inspiring there, so I'm at a loss as to how a tag match gets on at Summer Slam.

Swagger/Rusev seem to work well together and the crowd was into it. Also, Lana is so ridiculously hot. They could just put the camera on her for the entire 3 hours of Raw tonight and I'd be happy.

The battle royal was fun with more great spots from Kofi (the guy is so good in the gimmick matches), good work from Ziggler, Del Rio and Cesaro and the predictable (but nice) swerve with Miz winning. No complaints here. I'm hoping for a Ziggler/Miz feud in the coming months. That could be really, really good.

And the main event kept a good pace with many quality spots throughout despite having some really stale story lines weaving through.
I forgot about the possible Miz/Ziggler feud. That could be a lot of fun.

As for the tag teams, time to call up Ascension from NXT? Make them silent muscle for The Authority and let them play the Shield role of a few months ago. And when not doing HHHs bidding, they can battle the face teams of Usos/Dust Bros.

 
Bo can work with anyone. Who cares whether he's heel or face. Fans are going to react how they're going to react (see Cena). The guy is getting as big a reaction as anyone in the company right now. Guy reminds me of Angle (who coincidentally enough he just recently said he's patterned himself after). You can really tell it from his gimmick.

I've said it a couple times already, his gimmick & presence reminds me of early Kurt Angle & Jericho. He knows how to work a crowd better than 99% of the roster. And the guy is only 24.

The guy is going to be a main event guy unless he just lets himself go. There's not a guy that's come from NXT that I believe has a brighter future (and there isn't a lack of current names that have come from there).

 
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Bo can work with anyone. Who cares whether he's heel or face. Fans are going to react how they're going to react (see Cena). The guy is getting as big a reaction as anyone in the company right now. Guy reminds me of Angle (who coincidentally enough he just recently said he's patterned himself after). You can really tell it from his gimmick.

I've said it a couple times already, his gimmick & presence reminds me of early Kurt Angle & Jericho. He knows how to work a crowd better than 99% of the roster. And the guy is only 24.

The guy is going to be a main event guy unless he just lets himself go. There's not a guy that's come from NXT that I believe has a brighter future (and there isn't a lack of current names that have come from there).
I don't totally follow the Angle and Jericho comparisons yet. Both of those guys were incredible workers and amazing athletes in their primes which is important as they showed their abilities could back up their shtick. Maybe I'm wrong about Dallas's potential... what did his in-ring work in NXT show?

 
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Did anyone have any buffering issues on the Network last night? I had problems near the end of the PPV and after on both my XBox One and PS4. I'm wondering whether this was a Network issue or a problem with my own internet connection...

 
Did anyone have any buffering issues on the Network last night? I had problems near the end of the PPV and after on both my XBox One and PS4. I'm wondering whether this was a Network issue or a problem with my own internet connection...
I've had buffering issues during the last two PPVs. Giving some benefit of the doubt, but if this continues, going to be a real issue. Missed the Kofi/Big E spot and Paige/AJ Lee finish. Running on an Xbox 360 with huge bandwidth.

 
Did anyone have any buffering issues on the Network last night? I had problems near the end of the PPV and after on both my XBox One and PS4. I'm wondering whether this was a Network issue or a problem with my own internet connection...
I've had buffering issues during the last two PPVs. Giving some benefit of the doubt, but if this continues, going to be a real issue. Missed the Kofi/Big E spot and Paige/AJ Lee finish. Running on an Xbox 360 with huge bandwidth.
The Kofi-Big E spot didn't get enough attention... that was ridiculously hard for all three guys to pull off there.

 
The Wyatts have to win sometime , they cant keep having them lose , right?

Luke Harper has the best closeline I've seen in a longtime
I think Luke Harper is pretty underrated, period. The guy can bring it. Throw in the wacky ### hand gesture schtick, it is entertaining.

ETA: The only buffering issues I had was just getting it started.

 
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Did anyone have any buffering issues on the Network last night? I had problems near the end of the PPV and after on both my XBox One and PS4. I'm wondering whether this was a Network issue or a problem with my own internet connection...
Nope. Outside the first few days I've had no issues.

Bo is a carbon copy of early Kurt Angle's character. I don't expect Bo to be pulling off 5* matches in 5 minute squash matches. The guy can most definitely work & his mic work is 2nd to none right now. He's had very good matches vs. Neville&Sami Zayn. He's not Kurt Angle in ring. No one is.

Bo Dallas is also a half decade younger right now than both Jericho/Angle were at their WWF debuts. It's quite obvious WWE has big plans for him if they're putting him in segments with Daniel Bryan within a month of his (re)debut.

 
Bo can work with anyone. Who cares whether he's heel or face. Fans are going to react how they're going to react (see Cena). The guy is getting as big a reaction as anyone in the company right now. Guy reminds me of Angle (who coincidentally enough he just recently said he's patterned himself after). You can really tell it from his gimmick.

I've said it a couple times already, his gimmick & presence reminds me of early Kurt Angle & Jericho. He knows how to work a crowd better than 99% of the roster. And the guy is only 24.

The guy is going to be a main event guy unless he just lets himself go. There's not a guy that's come from NXT that I believe has a brighter future (and there isn't a lack of current names that have come from there).
I don't totally follow the Angle and Jericho comparisons yet. Both of those guys were incredible workers and amazing athletes in their primes which is important as they showed their abilities could back up their shtick. Maybe I'm wrong about Dallas's potential... what did his in-ring work in NXT show?
He sells prat falls and taking a beating pretty good.

 
HellToupee said:
The Wyatts have to win sometime , they cant keep having them lose , right?

Luke Harper has the best closeline I've seen in a longtime
The athleticism he shows for a guy that size is amazing

 
OC Zed said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Bo can work with anyone. Who cares whether he's heel or face. Fans are going to react how they're going to react (see Cena). The guy is getting as big a reaction as anyone in the company right now. Guy reminds me of Angle (who coincidentally enough he just recently said he's patterned himself after). You can really tell it from his gimmick.

I've said it a couple times already, his gimmick & presence reminds me of early Kurt Angle & Jericho. He knows how to work a crowd better than 99% of the roster. And the guy is only 24.

The guy is going to be a main event guy unless he just lets himself go. There's not a guy that's come from NXT that I believe has a brighter future (and there isn't a lack of current names that have come from there).
I don't totally follow the Angle and Jericho comparisons yet. Both of those guys were incredible workers and amazing athletes in their primes which is important as they showed their abilities could back up their shtick. Maybe I'm wrong about Dallas's potential... what did his in-ring work in NXT show?
I'm with you OCZ. I don't get the Bo Dallas schtick either :shrug:

 
I guess I'm just in the minority when it comes to Bo-lieveing. I just don't see the creative angle here.In a way It kind of reminds me of a smaller version of the Lex Lugar schtick, when he came to the WWF and was proclaimed the narcissist. So please enlighten me as to what I am incapable of grasping here.

 
I guess I'm just in the minority when it comes to Bo-lieveing. I just don't see the creative angle here.In a way It kind of reminds me of a smaller version of the Lex Lugar schtick, when he came to the WWF and was proclaimed the narcissist. So please enlighten me as to what I am incapable of grasping here.
I would compare him more with Mr Perfect. All Bo needs is a montage of achieving amazing things and they'd be identical.

 
I guess I'm just in the minority when it comes to Bo-lieveing. I just don't see the creative angle here.In a way It kind of reminds me of a smaller version of the Lex Lugar schtick, when he came to the WWF and was proclaimed the narcissist. So please enlighten me as to what I am incapable of grasping here.
I like it because it's kind of an old school gimmick. It's simple but he does a good job pulling it off. I think they need to put him in a situation more where he gets pissed off when he starts losing or gets cheap shot (they've done it a couple of times). Plus, this is the buildup. The payoff is when he actually loses.

Where I think it suffers is in the rigidity of the WWE script these days. They need more interviews and non wrestling face time with him. That schtick would be even better if he was at a podium talking to Mean Gene/Gordon Solie etc. etc.

 
I guess I'm just in the minority when it comes to Bo-lieveing. I just don't see the creative angle here.In a way It kind of reminds me of a smaller version of the Lex Lugar schtick, when he came to the WWF and was proclaimed the narcissist. So please enlighten me as to what I am incapable of grasping here.
I would compare him more with Mr Perfect. All Bo needs is a montage of achieving amazing things and they'd be identical.
LOL!....All time great schtick.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iK7vRYeY3U

 
I guess I'm just in the minority when it comes to Bo-lieveing. I just don't see the creative angle here.In a way It kind of reminds me of a smaller version of the Lex Lugar schtick, when he came to the WWF and was proclaimed the narcissist. So please enlighten me as to what I am incapable of grasping here.
I would compare him more with Mr Perfect. All Bo needs is a montage of achieving amazing things and they'd be identical.
LOL!....All time great schtick.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iK7vRYeY3U
The Perfect QB AND WR. Bo-lieve it!

 
It's the Kurt Angle gimmick. It's the exact same thing. Go re-watch early Kurt Angle. It's now Bo Dallas.

Instead of the 3 I's, it's Bo-lieving. Literally the same exact gimmick. (One that really hasn't been visited since then) Heel that believes he's a face.

Crowd are currently cheering the #### outta him so you can really put him in with either a heel or face. Crowds are gonna do what they want (i.e. booing the uber-face Cena)

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0720/579179/bo-dallas-talks-about-looking-up-to-kurt-angle/

 
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It's the Kurt Angle gimmick. It's the exact same thing. Go re-watch early Kurt Angle. It's now Bo Dallas.

Instead of the 3 I's, it's Bo-lieving. Literally the same exact gimmick. (One that really hasn't been visited since then) Heel that believes he's a face.

Crowd are currently cheering the #### outta him so you can really put him in with either a heel or face. Crowds are gonna do what they want (i.e. booing the uber-face Cena)

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0720/579179/bo-dallas-talks-about-looking-up-to-kurt-angle/
Come on. There's not a lot new under the sun in the wrestling story world. There's only so many archetypes of characters they can come up with. Early Angle was 15 years ago too...so it's not like they ran this a year ago.

 
It's the Kurt Angle gimmick. It's the exact same thing. Go re-watch early Kurt Angle. It's now Bo Dallas.

Instead of the 3 I's, it's Bo-lieving. Literally the same exact gimmick. (One that really hasn't been visited since then) Heel that believes he's a face.

Crowd are currently cheering the #### outta him so you can really put him in with either a heel or face. Crowds are gonna do what they want (i.e. booing the uber-face Cena)

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0720/579179/bo-dallas-talks-about-looking-up-to-kurt-angle/
Come on. There's not a lot new under the sun in the wrestling story world. There's only so many archetypes of characters they can come up with. Early Angle was 15 years ago too...so it's not like they ran this a year ago.
Jim Cornette once said that the statute of limitations for gimmicks and storylines is about 7 years. They're due. Also, I don't think that Craig was being negative about it in his post.

 
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It's the Kurt Angle gimmick. It's the exact same thing. Go re-watch early Kurt Angle. It's now Bo Dallas.

Instead of the 3 I's, it's Bo-lieving. Literally the same exact gimmick. (One that really hasn't been visited since then) Heel that believes he's a face.

Crowd are currently cheering the #### outta him so you can really put him in with either a heel or face. Crowds are gonna do what they want (i.e. booing the uber-face Cena)

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0720/579179/bo-dallas-talks-about-looking-up-to-kurt-angle/
Come on. There's not a lot new under the sun in the wrestling story world. There's only so many archetypes of characters they can come up with. Early Angle was 15 years ago too...so it's not like they ran this a year ago.
Where did I say Kurt Angle wasn't great? I love the gimmick. (I think Bo's a future main event stud) I was simply stating it's a carbon copy of the gimmick -- which I loved.

It's one of the best characters in the history of the business. I think it's a great starting point for Bo and he'll continue to grow. It's amazing how far he's come since Royal Rumble 2013 (when he was called up to WWE with absolutely no gimmick/reason for anyone to care). Most don't even remember Bo's cup of coffee in early 2013 on main roster.

 
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OC Zed said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Bo can work with anyone. Who cares whether he's heel or face. Fans are going to react how they're going to react (see Cena). The guy is getting as big a reaction as anyone in the company right now. Guy reminds me of Angle (who coincidentally enough he just recently said he's patterned himself after). You can really tell it from his gimmick.

I've said it a couple times already, his gimmick & presence reminds me of early Kurt Angle & Jericho. He knows how to work a crowd better than 99% of the roster. And the guy is only 24.

The guy is going to be a main event guy unless he just lets himself go. There's not a guy that's come from NXT that I believe has a brighter future (and there isn't a lack of current names that have come from there).
I don't totally follow the Angle and Jericho comparisons yet. Both of those guys were incredible workers and amazing athletes in their primes which is important as they showed their abilities could back up their shtick. Maybe I'm wrong about Dallas's potential... what did his in-ring work in NXT show?
I'm with you OCZ. I don't get the Bo Dallas schtick either :shrug:
I think the schtick is entertaining, but I'm still not sold on him actually pulling it off in a feud with someone else. I don't know if his wrestling skills are good enough to make you believe that he can still kick somebody's ###. And if he can't make you believe that, then the schtick gets relegated to the jobber category within a year.

 
So Cesaro no longer 'A Paul Heyman guy' ...so basically they killed the Mania momentum he had for nothing at all. The guy was over as hell & there wasn't absolutely no reason to pair Heyman with him -- and turn 'heel' in process.

Just a horrible decision. Hope he can get back that momentum. Really don't think it's a given.-- unless they pull a stunner and have Brock feud with Cesaro pretty quick.

Pretty much just wasted away the last 3+ months with Cesaro. I love Heyman, but they really need to stop placing him somewhere -- just so he has something to do -- and no long term plan in place. They did the same exact thing with him & Curtis Axel/Ryback last year.

 
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OC Zed said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Bo can work with anyone. Who cares whether he's heel or face. Fans are going to react how they're going to react (see Cena). The guy is getting as big a reaction as anyone in the company right now. Guy reminds me of Angle (who coincidentally enough he just recently said he's patterned himself after). You can really tell it from his gimmick.

I've said it a couple times already, his gimmick & presence reminds me of early Kurt Angle & Jericho. He knows how to work a crowd better than 99% of the roster. And the guy is only 24.

The guy is going to be a main event guy unless he just lets himself go. There's not a guy that's come from NXT that I believe has a brighter future (and there isn't a lack of current names that have come from there).
I don't totally follow the Angle and Jericho comparisons yet. Both of those guys were incredible workers and amazing athletes in their primes which is important as they showed their abilities could back up their shtick. Maybe I'm wrong about Dallas's potential... what did his in-ring work in NXT show?
I'm with you OCZ. I don't get the Bo Dallas schtick either :shrug:
I think the schtick is entertaining, but I'm still not sold on him actually pulling it off in a feud with someone else. I don't know if his wrestling skills are good enough to make you believe that he can still kick somebody's ###. And if he can't make you believe that, then the schtick gets relegated to the jobber category within a year.
OC Zed said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Bo can work with anyone. Who cares whether he's heel or face. Fans are going to react how they're going to react (see Cena). The guy is getting as big a reaction as anyone in the company right now. Guy reminds me of Angle (who coincidentally enough he just recently said he's patterned himself after). You can really tell it from his gimmick.

I've said it a couple times already, his gimmick & presence reminds me of early Kurt Angle & Jericho. He knows how to work a crowd better than 99% of the roster. And the guy is only 24.

The guy is going to be a main event guy unless he just lets himself go. There's not a guy that's come from NXT that I believe has a brighter future (and there isn't a lack of current names that have come from there).
I don't totally follow the Angle and Jericho comparisons yet. Both of those guys were incredible workers and amazing athletes in their primes which is important as they showed their abilities could back up their shtick. Maybe I'm wrong about Dallas's potential... what did his in-ring work in NXT show?
I'm with you OCZ. I don't get the Bo Dallas schtick either :shrug:
I think the schtick is entertaining, but I'm still not sold on him actually pulling it off in a feud with someone else. I don't know if his wrestling skills are good enough to make you believe that he can still kick somebody's ###. And if he can't make you believe that, then the schtick gets relegated to the jobber category within a year.
That maybe it. In referring back to the Angle/Henning comparisons, you had no doubt that they could hold their own. They had more of a cocky personality with a somewhat known background to substantiate it. Bo comes across more as youthful exuberance with nothing to back it up.

 
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