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Seattle at St. Louis (1 Viewer)
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General Tso
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One of the best coaching calls I've ever seen. You punt there and Seattle wins - guaranteed.
Not Sleeping
Footballguy
Exactly. The brilliant fake punt is going to make everyone complete forget the blown non-call on Sherman.
Fennis
Footballguy
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General Tso
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Also, even if the Rams botch the fake punt Seattle probably scores more quickly and it's likely that St. Louis gets the ball back. It's a a very smart decision by Fisher.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
What? Explain? Please don't just use field position as a crutch here. Look at the big picture. And also the fact that they've done this play more than a few times, and probably practiced this a lot this week, knowing the guy would be wide open if they got the punt coverage they wanted.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
nope
giving the ball back to Wilson regardless of field position would have been far more stupid.
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General Tso
Guest
fumble!! Holy ####!!?
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General Tso
Guest
LOL at Pete Carroll.
Card Trader
Footballguy
3-3
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
oops
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General Tso
Guest
How did St. Louis recover that?? Must have been some nasty #### going on in the bottom of that pile.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Every shot I saw, the cut away with Sherman's one ### cheek resting on top of the ball. It was there for whoever got a hand free at the bottom of the pile. I guess that was a Ram.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
RAMS WIN!....FANS WIN!...BEST SEAT IN DA HOUSE!
Neofight
Footballguy
St. Louis didn't tecover; Sherman did. They didn't review the fumble and he was called down.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Can you recover the ball with your ####? Cause it looked like the only thing he ever touched the ball with in that pile was his ####.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
What happened to SB winning Seattle? WTF lost to RAMS! :SHUTITDOWN:
#FISHER BEST CALL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!
#FISHER BEST CALL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!
Hoss Style
Footballguy
It's also not in question that some will state that things in question will be "not in question".
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General Tso
Guest
Wait a minute, someone please explain wtf happened. Did the refs rule that it was not a fumble??? If so, that is probably the wors call I've ever seen. And to not review that?? That would be the worst officiating mistake I've ever seen.
Not Sleeping
Footballguy
Even though it all worked out for them...isn't it just like the Rams to fumble on the game-sealing first down.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
Think it's safe to drop Seattle D in all leagues now
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General Tso
Guest
You're wrong. The Rams DID recover. The refs brought it back to the spot of the fumble because the offense can't advance a fumble with under 2 minutes left in the game. The Holy Roller rule.Recovery of a fumble in the field of play could have been reviewed. The rule was changed after the Bowman play in the NFC Championship game.
Replay would not have shown anything there. Sherman had the ball between is legs but he never had control, not on video anyways. No telling what went on in the pile, but Sherman got outmuscled. If only his ams were as strong as his mouth.
Not Sleeping
Footballguy
After looking at the game log and going back and rewatching the actual play, it appears they ruled the initial fumble correctly. Harkey #46 then falls on it around the 36 yard line, but doesn't get possession. They ruled that part correctly as well. The ball rolls around to the 32 yard line, and it gets very hard to see from here, but it looks like Harkey crawled forward from the 36 to the 32 and somehow gained possession again. We have no way of knowing if it's the correct call, but that seems to be what they called on the field, and there would be no way a replay could overturn the big dogpile at the 32 yard line. There's a chance that it was all actually correct.
Neofight
Footballguy
They walked the ball back from the point where it was recovered. Couple that with absolutely no explanation (that I heard, the bar was loud as hell) and I assume they called it no fumble. That's the speculation son local radio but nobody knows for certain.
Neofight
Footballguy
Sherman was completely covering the ball from the end zone angle, fairly obviously. The only player that reached underneath him was a Seahawk.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I've been looking for this replay of Sherman obviously having the ball. I can't find it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but it didn't exist on the TV replays I saw. Do you have a link anywhere?
It sure looked like it was under his ###, and then the blob of players descended.
Not Sleeping
Footballguy
Sherman never had possession. As the ball is rolling towards his ### cheeks, it looks like Jared Cook keeps Sherman from reaching down for the ball. What you can't see is that on the other side of Sherman at that same time, Harkey #46 on the Rams has crawled forward from the 36 yard line and reached under Sherman and took the ball.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Perhaps it was simultaneous possession along with the offensive guy reaching between his legs. As we all know in such situations the ball is awarded to the offense.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Bears did this to the Packers last year I think. Was just as good.Coolest play I ever seen. Incredible fake from all 11 players.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
The same way Seattle intercepted the ball agains Green Bay in the Fail Mary game.
Karma.
Neofight
Footballguy
http://newscenterd.com/seahawks-rams-officials-opt-not-to-review-late-controversial-fumble?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=seahawks-rams-officials-opt-not-to-review-late-controversial-fumbleFrom the first gif you see Harkey (46) fail on his first attempt to recover and then crawl forward and extend only one arm forward when the dog pile begins. From the second gif you see Sherman turning on his left side with Burley (28 Seattle) reaching between his legs for the ball. Sherman had it at that point and if he didn't, Burley had a hand on it as well. Harkey doesn't look like he got a hand on it before the pile starts.
ETA: from both angles it appears Earl Thomas was the player that Sherman was facing as he turned on his side to secure the ball. How you don't review that is crazy. How you don't explain it is just a fundamental failure of the refs on the field.
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Hoss Style
Footballguy
Yeah, that's the same angle I've been watching. The ball slides out from under the Rams' player's armpit, then Sherman gets on it and it slides out inbtween his legs - then it goes under the blob.
Not even close to clear possession anywhere.
But how in the heck do they NOT review that? I don't see how the call is overturned, but the refs didn't know that at the time. Horrible call by replay official.
Neofight
Footballguy
It never goes between his legs though. His left knee pushes it forward as he is turning to his side to secure it. By the time it's out of sight there's really no Ram player that had a hand on it. FWIW Sherman said in this post game presser that he did have possession but refused to blame the refs: "...obviously they didn't give it to us...", later adding "I did, I did. I had the ball. I was down. You thought they would've blew the whistle... but they took the ball and said they were moving it back to the old spot..." When asked if he had it. Was pretty gracious about it.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I get the sense that Green Bay doesn't get many calls against them. The fact that an early season non-divisional game with hardly any significance still gets bought up 3 years later, makes me believe that, maybe, this is the only call that ever went against them.
Not Sleeping
Footballguy
The first gif cuts off too early. Right after that gif ends, Harkey appears to have successfully scooped out the ball with his extended right arm, and then stretches out his left arm presumably onto the ball. You never actually see Harkey clearly get the ball...I'm just working backwards from the fact that the call on the field was that Harkey ended up with it (and not from his first failed attempt at recovery at the 36 yard line).
I definitely don't see Sherman with clear possession in any of the video replays.
One thing we can all agree on: For such a critical play, they clearly should have explained things better, and they probably should have gone to replay just to make it clear that they were taking every precaution to get it right.
