First, thanks in advance for reading all of this. Since I have known the people for years, I really appreciate your time in reading this and weighing in your opinion as to whether I (Mike) am overreacting. I understand if you do not want to wade through the texts so I boldfaced the relevant portion.
Summary: I believe the other owner made an offer via text when he says that no offer was made. The logic of why you would do this is the same reason used car salespeople have you talk to their manager (make you negotiate against yourself). I am not saying a texted trade should be binding, but rather that reneging on a texted trade is sleazy - he is now saying I should apologize for calling him sleazy. Considering he had already texted me Jack's response of "Jack says you just hate us" at my turning down the first offer of A. Williams for Hill, I had believed he cleared it with Jack and was offering J. Gordon for J. Hill.
Detail: I am a single owner in this league where the people all know each other for decades. I have been in the league since 2009. I own a team and have been talking trades with another team that is owned collectively by two people (say John and Jack; John is also the league commissioner). We traded on draft day (where I made the offer and so I had been trying to get them to make an offer). Yesterday, I emailed them "[SIZE=11pt]I can wait it out … but any offer comes first from Jack and you since I made the offer on draft day. My guess is that you need RB help."[/SIZE]
Today, I picked up J. Hill today for $2 out of a $100 FAAB. I also own Jennings; the other team has G. Bernard, A. Williams and J. Gordon. The other team texts me an offer of A. Williams for J. Hill. Here are the relevant texts:
Mike (me): Not interested. I like Hill better.
[many texts back and forth with him extolling backups and me explaining why I like Hill better]
John: [SIZE=11pt]Ok. No worries. There is nothing we can trade for a $2 pickup?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Mike: Cool. No.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]John: Randall Cobb for Hill?[/SIZE]
Mike: Is that an offer?
John: Yup. Need to have Jack approve. But no weird for a two dollar pickup.
Mike: Did Cobb get injured? [i am watching the game delayed].
John: When the backup trade makes sense.
Mike: Not to me. I see Hill scoring more points if Bernard gets injured than the reverse.
John: Except if Jennings gets hurt you have zero. Jack says you just hate us.
Mike: When I put my waivers in on Tuesday I had Denver, then Miller, then Hill and then Williams. So I would have taken Hill over Williams if I did not get Denver.
John: Ok. Weird.
Mike: I guess you must have been surprised when you saw the waivers today. Value of a handcuff goes down when there is one less required back and a flex.
John: I wasn’t surprised. I thought it was a bad move. Drafting for injury seems like a bad plan. Gordon?
Mike: That is what a handcuff is. Are you offering Gordon for Hill?
John: I’m just trying to see your interest in a $2 pickup.
Mike: I do not negotiate against myself. If you want to discuss with Jack making another offer I will let you know.
John: Rolling with Dawkins jersey in the linc this weekend.
Mike: Awesome.
John: Ok Gordon for Hill.
John: Accept?
John: I’ll put it out on the wire.
John: League will vote it down.
Mike: I accept. No they won’t.
Mike: Let me know when you make the offer through the online system and I will go and accept.
John: Need to check with Jack. He probably wants more for Gordon.
Mike: John. I assumed you had when you said Ok Gordon for Hill. Read the chain of the texts. I will only trade Hill for Gordon now so tell Jack there will be no other trade accepted.
John: Wow. You are temperamental. He said Hill and 35 dollars. Just putting out feelers. Nothing official until a trade offer gets submitted.
Mike: Not temperamental. Disadvantage of being 1 person versus 2. I can’t.
John: But you can make movers on your own. I can’t. You have to understand that.
Mike: Similar to used car salesman dynamics with salesman and manager. Read the texts. I really thought you made an offer. Only Gordon for Hill. No other deal. [i copy and paste key texts – Only Gordon for Hill. No other deal. That is what a handcuff is. Are you offering Gordon for Hill? I do not negotiate against myself. If you want to discuss with a Jack making another offer I will let you know. Ok Gordon for Hill.]
John: How much FA dollars are you offering?
Mike: Earlier you mentioned Jack says you hate us so I knew you were texting. [i copy and paste Jack says you just hate us.]
John: He did. He thinks you hate our team.
Mike: [i copy and paste Ok Gordon for Hill. Accept? I’ll put it out on the wire. I mean c’mon.]
Many texts go back and forth which I will not write.
Mike: Derek are you putting your accepted offer of Gordon for Hill through the system?
John: No. Jack wants more. He nixed it.
Mike: This is slimy.
John: Why? He just turned down defense trade too.
Mike: You made an offer and reneged.
John: I liked that one. Ami was gauging interest?
Mike: These texts are clear.
John: They are.
Mike: No you were not. It is slimy.
John: Read the one where I said ‘need to check with Jack’ And ‘he probably wants more for Gordon’
Mike: After I accepted the offer.
John: As I was typing. There was not a five minute lapse. Cmon.
Mike: Accepting the offer yield s info.
John: What? Gordon who we paid $35. Versus Hill who you paid $2. Come on bro. Be reasonbale. You just admitted to reading my Cobb text incorrectly [Note: I did not include all of those as it was irrelevant.] And now you are calling me slimy? It’s slightly offensive Mike. We have come a long way since last year. Let’s not regress. I have a lot of integrity. Everyone will tell you that.
Mike: John. Do you want me to post the precise texts to the league and whether people think this is sleazy?
John: Oh god Mike seriously? There is no trade for you to accept? When you see one in your inbox you can approve it.
Mike: Do you want me to post it to see if the average person would think this is sleazy?
John: there are trades that get boxed by the other owner all the time. Mike and Darren had one this week in fact for Brandon Marshall.
Mike: Yes or no?
John: I consider texts to be private. Posting a private chat would be sleazy as well. Or. We could negotiate in a chat room.
Mike: So you are embarrassed how sleazy you are? Let’s drop it. From now on, I will only respond to offers and never discuss trades.
John: I am not Mike and the fact that you call me sleazy is ridiculous. You know I am not. If you don’t apologize for that then you and I will never need to speak again. You didn’t just say the text was sleazy you said I was sleazy. That’s very clear in your last text. I ‘m waiting. I will accept your apology and drop it after. And blame the whole thing on miscommunication. But the last text was very clear. And hurtful. I apologize for any miscommunication on my part. I like you Mike. Sometimes your words though can be hurtful.
Summary: I believe the other owner made an offer via text when he says that no offer was made. The logic of why you would do this is the same reason used car salespeople have you talk to their manager (make you negotiate against yourself). I am not saying a texted trade should be binding, but rather that reneging on a texted trade is sleazy - he is now saying I should apologize for calling him sleazy. Considering he had already texted me Jack's response of "Jack says you just hate us" at my turning down the first offer of A. Williams for Hill, I had believed he cleared it with Jack and was offering J. Gordon for J. Hill.
Detail: I am a single owner in this league where the people all know each other for decades. I have been in the league since 2009. I own a team and have been talking trades with another team that is owned collectively by two people (say John and Jack; John is also the league commissioner). We traded on draft day (where I made the offer and so I had been trying to get them to make an offer). Yesterday, I emailed them "[SIZE=11pt]I can wait it out … but any offer comes first from Jack and you since I made the offer on draft day. My guess is that you need RB help."[/SIZE]
Today, I picked up J. Hill today for $2 out of a $100 FAAB. I also own Jennings; the other team has G. Bernard, A. Williams and J. Gordon. The other team texts me an offer of A. Williams for J. Hill. Here are the relevant texts:
Mike (me): Not interested. I like Hill better.
[many texts back and forth with him extolling backups and me explaining why I like Hill better]
John: [SIZE=11pt]Ok. No worries. There is nothing we can trade for a $2 pickup?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Mike: Cool. No.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]John: Randall Cobb for Hill?[/SIZE]
Mike: Is that an offer?
John: Yup. Need to have Jack approve. But no weird for a two dollar pickup.
Mike: Did Cobb get injured? [i am watching the game delayed].
John: When the backup trade makes sense.
Mike: Not to me. I see Hill scoring more points if Bernard gets injured than the reverse.
John: Except if Jennings gets hurt you have zero. Jack says you just hate us.
Mike: When I put my waivers in on Tuesday I had Denver, then Miller, then Hill and then Williams. So I would have taken Hill over Williams if I did not get Denver.
John: Ok. Weird.
Mike: I guess you must have been surprised when you saw the waivers today. Value of a handcuff goes down when there is one less required back and a flex.
John: I wasn’t surprised. I thought it was a bad move. Drafting for injury seems like a bad plan. Gordon?
Mike: That is what a handcuff is. Are you offering Gordon for Hill?
John: I’m just trying to see your interest in a $2 pickup.
Mike: I do not negotiate against myself. If you want to discuss with Jack making another offer I will let you know.
John: Rolling with Dawkins jersey in the linc this weekend.
Mike: Awesome.
John: Ok Gordon for Hill.
John: Accept?
John: I’ll put it out on the wire.
John: League will vote it down.
Mike: I accept. No they won’t.
Mike: Let me know when you make the offer through the online system and I will go and accept.
John: Need to check with Jack. He probably wants more for Gordon.
Mike: John. I assumed you had when you said Ok Gordon for Hill. Read the chain of the texts. I will only trade Hill for Gordon now so tell Jack there will be no other trade accepted.
John: Wow. You are temperamental. He said Hill and 35 dollars. Just putting out feelers. Nothing official until a trade offer gets submitted.
Mike: Not temperamental. Disadvantage of being 1 person versus 2. I can’t.
John: But you can make movers on your own. I can’t. You have to understand that.
Mike: Similar to used car salesman dynamics with salesman and manager. Read the texts. I really thought you made an offer. Only Gordon for Hill. No other deal. [i copy and paste key texts – Only Gordon for Hill. No other deal. That is what a handcuff is. Are you offering Gordon for Hill? I do not negotiate against myself. If you want to discuss with a Jack making another offer I will let you know. Ok Gordon for Hill.]
John: How much FA dollars are you offering?
Mike: Earlier you mentioned Jack says you hate us so I knew you were texting. [i copy and paste Jack says you just hate us.]
John: He did. He thinks you hate our team.
Mike: [i copy and paste Ok Gordon for Hill. Accept? I’ll put it out on the wire. I mean c’mon.]
Many texts go back and forth which I will not write.
Mike: Derek are you putting your accepted offer of Gordon for Hill through the system?
John: No. Jack wants more. He nixed it.
Mike: This is slimy.
John: Why? He just turned down defense trade too.
Mike: You made an offer and reneged.
John: I liked that one. Ami was gauging interest?
Mike: These texts are clear.
John: They are.
Mike: No you were not. It is slimy.
John: Read the one where I said ‘need to check with Jack’ And ‘he probably wants more for Gordon’
Mike: After I accepted the offer.
John: As I was typing. There was not a five minute lapse. Cmon.
Mike: Accepting the offer yield s info.
John: What? Gordon who we paid $35. Versus Hill who you paid $2. Come on bro. Be reasonbale. You just admitted to reading my Cobb text incorrectly [Note: I did not include all of those as it was irrelevant.] And now you are calling me slimy? It’s slightly offensive Mike. We have come a long way since last year. Let’s not regress. I have a lot of integrity. Everyone will tell you that.
Mike: John. Do you want me to post the precise texts to the league and whether people think this is sleazy?
John: Oh god Mike seriously? There is no trade for you to accept? When you see one in your inbox you can approve it.
Mike: Do you want me to post it to see if the average person would think this is sleazy?
John: there are trades that get boxed by the other owner all the time. Mike and Darren had one this week in fact for Brandon Marshall.
Mike: Yes or no?
John: I consider texts to be private. Posting a private chat would be sleazy as well. Or. We could negotiate in a chat room.
Mike: So you are embarrassed how sleazy you are? Let’s drop it. From now on, I will only respond to offers and never discuss trades.
John: I am not Mike and the fact that you call me sleazy is ridiculous. You know I am not. If you don’t apologize for that then you and I will never need to speak again. You didn’t just say the text was sleazy you said I was sleazy. That’s very clear in your last text. I ‘m waiting. I will accept your apology and drop it after. And blame the whole thing on miscommunication. But the last text was very clear. And hurtful. I apologize for any miscommunication on my part. I like you Mike. Sometimes your words though can be hurtful.
