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It makes me sick. Take away the MVP and give it to Kemp. Braun, take your medicine, come clean if you did it, and take it like a man. ### #### it, it makes me sick.

 
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My friend who would know says Braun wr told of the results a month before he got the MVP. They will appeal saying it was a tainted sample. But still...

 
Shouldn't be surprised anymore, but I was.

But, as a Reds fan, I can't say I'm sad re: no Braun, Fielder, Pujols.

 
I can't understand the appeal process. Am I wrong but don't they take the sample he gave and split it into 2 bottles A and B or when they collected the sample he gave two samples A and B. They test A it came back positive. He appeals they will test B it comes back positive. Not one appeal has been successfully won by a player accused of a false test.

 
'uconnalum said:
I can't understand the appeal process. Am I wrong but don't they take the sample he gave and split it into 2 bottles A and B or when they collected the sample he gave two samples A and B. They test A it came back positive. He appeals they will test B it comes back positive. Not one appeal has been successfully won by a player accused of a false test.
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I have a friend on facebook that posted that the second test tested negative. Not sure of his source though.
 
I am really surpised, not like he got "big" overnight or posted stats suddenly, but you have to figure he is going to get 50 games...........

 
Any chance he can get out of this? He is appealing, but I have no idea how the process works after testing positive for PEDs.

 
This saddens me if he truly did test poitive. I genuinely thought he was the real deal and seemed like a pretty good guy that was easy to cheer for. If he is dirty - then strip him of the award and give it to Kemp. I don't buy the "everyone else is doing it" argument. If so, where are their failed tests? Milwaukee is in BIG trouble now if they don't find a way to keep Fielder. Missing Braun and Fielder means that staff (as good as it can be) is going to have to have an ERA under 2.00 to win many of the first 50 games.

 
Source: Braun will be vindicated

Source: Braun will be vindicated

By Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel

Dec. 10, 2011 10:02 p.m.

I just talked to someone familiar with Ryan Braun's positive drug test and he insisted that the Brewers' star left fielder will be cleared on the appeal process and that this information never should have come out.

The ESPN report said Braun tested positive for an abnormally high level of testosterone in his system. No player ever has had a positive drug test overturned in appeal.

If Braun’s suspension is upheld, it would start at the beginning of the 2012 regular season. Brewers spokesman Tyler Barnes said the club had not been informed by the commissioner’s office that Braun tested positive for a banned substance and faced a suspension.

Creative Artists Agency, which represents Braun did release a statement indicating the positive test is being vehemently disputed:

“There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan's complete innocence and demonstrate that there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program. While Ryan has impeccable character and no previous history, unfortunately, because of the process we have to maintain confidentiality and are not able to discuss it any further, but we are confident that he will ultimately be exonerated.”

A CAA spokesman said that neither Braun nor his agent, Nez Balelo, would have a comment during the appeal process.

But a source familiar with the situation told the Journal Sentinel that a second test requested by Braun was negative and was being used in the appeal process to overturn the first results. That source also indicated the banned substance was not a performance-enhancing drug.

“The truth will prevail; I really feel good about that,” said the source. “It just stinks that this got out before the appeal process is finished. Initial positive tests have been overturned before, proving the player is innocent, and nobody ever knows.”

Obviously, this person was on Braun's side of the story but he was vehement that he knew enough details to support his comments.

Former NBA star Reggie Miller, not an analyst for TNT, lives next to Braun in Malibu, Calif., and posted this tweet after the report surfaced: “Just spoke with my neighbor, Ryan Braun. He says test is bogus, can only believe a man for his word. Truth will always come out.”

And, I'm not sure how USA Today's Bob Nightengale got hold of Braun, but he quoted him as saying "It's B.S.", referring to the ESPN report that he tested positive for a PED and faces a 50-game suspension.

The source said Braun was tested in early October, at the start of the postseason, and was apprised of the positive result a couple of weeks later. Braun immediately requested a second test, which came back normal. Whether the lag time between the first and second test compromises Braun's appeal, I couldn't tell you.

A first positive test results in a 50-game suspension, followed by a 100-game suspension for a second and a lifetime ban for a third. A player is not paid his salary during such suspensions.

Braun, who signed a five-year extension in April worth $105 million that committed him to the Brewers through 2020, was a major force in the Brewers’ surge to their first NL Central crown and 96-victory season. He batted .332 with 33 home runs, 111 runs batted in, 109 runs scored, 33 stolen bases and a .597 slugging percentage, tops in the league.

No reigning MVP ever has been suspended for a positive drug test. The reward is presented by the Baseball Writer’s Association of America, and that association’s president, Bill Shaikin, noted that Alex Rodriguez’s 2003 American League MVP award was not stripped after admitting later to steroid use during that period.

Braun has admitted to no such use, so any calls for stripping his MVP Award are premature until all of the facts of the case are made public.

The ESPN report indicated Braun’s positive test was triggered by elevated levels of testosterone. A more comprehensive tested revealed that testosterone was synthetic and therefore not produced by his body.

ESPN’s sources did not indicate how high above the threshold Braun’s sample tested. But the report said Braun told people he did not knowingly take a banned substance and hoped to prove that with his appear.

Even if that’s true, however, it does not mean Braun’s suspension will be overturned. A player must prove that he was not in any way negligent to successfully appeal.

MLB’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Policy went into effect after the 2003 season after a period of enhanced-offensive performance known as “The Steroid Era.” Beyond PEDs, amphetamines later were added to the list of banned substances. In the new labor agreement just completely, players will be subject to blood testing for HGH beginning in 2012.

The policy provides little leniency for players, saying MLB is “not required to otherwise establish intent, fault, negligence or knowing use of a prohibited substance on the player’s part to establish such a violation.”

In other words, if a player claims he did not knowingly take a banned substance, he must show he was not negligent in any way to have a positive test overturned.
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I'm so over these athletes and there excuses. They all know the rules when they sign there contract and step onto the field to play Major League Ball. Are they fair, are there certain items you can't ingest or consume that the average person can. Yes but the trade off is you get paid millions of dollars to play a game. That is why comments like these irk me:

“There was absolutely no intentional violation of the program,” Matthew Hiltzik said in a statement sent by the four-time All-Star left fielder’s representatives.

So he in essence is saying he consumed a substance that he didn't know would cause him to pop positive or show a elevated level of testosterone. I guarantee it will turn out to be a supplement he was taking. He should of known better.

This sounds radical but if MLB co comes out and says all supplements are banned no more protein powder, no more muscle milk, no more amino acids. Get all your nutrition from eating the proper foods this will remove all arguments of there was no intentional violation of the program. No trainer handing you a protein shake to down, none of that nonsense any longer.

Also in as I said in my previous post no way could of the second vial tested not positive if both vials came from the same specimen of urine. If he submitted another sample of urine to be tested that is like getting a do over. From all my experience of submitting my own samples for testing and friends of mine who have failed tests they only re-test the same urine that created the first positive result so 99.9 percent of the time unless the test was administered wrong you will fail on the re-test.

Did they re-test the same urine or did he submit another sample at a later date.

 
MLB and its drug testing program are a complete joke. Reports are out now that the 2nd sample that the Braun camp states that tested clean was taken from Braun several weeks after the postive sample was taken. WTF testing program is that of course you are going to have a different result. Lets re-test the first sample and see if it still shows a highly elevated level of testosterone. WTF type of drug testing program is that.

 
'uconnalum said:
MLB and its drug testing program are a complete joke. Reports are out now that the 2nd sample that the Braun camp states that tested clean was taken from Braun several weeks after the postive sample was taken. WTF testing program is that of course you are going to have a different result. Lets re-test the first sample and see if it still shows a highly elevated level of testosterone. WTF type of drug testing program is that.
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Baseball didn't take the second sample. Braun's camp did it independently to "prove" his innocence. MLB won't care a bit about that sample exactly for the reasons you stated.
 
Why is it that people care so much about this? The moral outrage is pretty pathetic. NFL players get popped all the time and the response is pretty ho-hum, despite the fact that their drug use is intented to allow them to cause serious phyiscal harm to someone, not throw or hit a ball.

 
PED's are still pretty prevalent.

Not sure if I've told this story before but one of my closest friends works for a hotel that houses MLB players when they are on the road in a major city.

A certain MLB Relief Pitcher who I won't name here was staying at the hotel and asked the front desk to throw out some of his trash. Trash included 2 Gallon Milk jugs filled with black liquid. Friend says one of the staff went to pour the liquid out to crush the jugs to recycle them and 2 used needles came out with the liquid. This was almost 2 years ago at the beginning of the 2010 season. He swears it's true and he's not the type of guy to make this stuff up. Anecdotal story I know but just making the point that this stuff is still going on. Science is always going to be ahead of what substances they are testing for. I'd still estimate a good third of the league is still on something.

First reaction after I heard the story was that there was no way this pitcher is dumb enough to do this, but then again, these guys aren't all MENSA members either. FWIW - he's not a very big name but has been in the majors for the past decade from team to team.

I would also add, I checked the schedule for the night my buddy says this occurred and the geography matches up.

 
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'GroveDiesel said:
'uconnalum said:
MLB and its drug testing program are a complete joke. Reports are out now that the 2nd sample that the Braun camp states that tested clean was taken from Braun several weeks after the postive sample was taken. WTF testing program is that of course you are going to have a different result. Lets re-test the first sample and see if it still shows a highly elevated level of testosterone. WTF type of drug testing program is that.
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Baseball didn't take the second sample. Braun's camp did it independently to "prove" his innocence. MLB won't care a bit about that sample exactly for the reasons you stated.
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Where did you hear that Braun's camp did the second test? Everything I've read is that Braun requested a second test.
 
'dparker713 said:
Why is it that people care so much about this? The moral outrage is pretty pathetic. NFL players get popped all the time and the response is pretty ho-hum, despite the fact that their drug use is intented to allow them to cause serious phyiscal harm to someone, not throw or hit a ball.
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i think the care has shifted from mlb to the players now. this is no longer an mlb problem as they have numerous tests in place and some pretty harsh penalties. nobodies blasting mlb anymore. this is all on braun
 
Source: Braun didn't take PED

Source: Braun didn't take PED

By Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: Dec. 11, 2011 1:00 p.m. |(74) Comments

A very good source on the Ryan Braun side of the drug testing controversy assures me that Braun did not test positive for a performance-enhancing drug, as reported by ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

ESPN reported that Braun tested positive for a PED that gave him an abnormally high testosterone level, which proved to be synthetic and therefore not produced by the body.

But my source -- and again, this is from Braun's end and not MLB -- familiar with the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind. And the source says there has "never" been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program.

The source said MLB "knows that Ryan is telling the truth" and that source firmly believes the postive test will be overturned. Pretty amazing stuff, huh?

The source said more detail couldn't be provided at this time because of the ongoing legal process. But suffice it to say that this is getting more interesting by the minute. If the prohibited substance wasn't a PED, it still triggered a positive result in MLB's steroid-testing policy.

If the prohibited substance Braun tested positive for was a stimulant instead of a steroid, he wouldn't be facing a 50-game suspension. The first offense for stimulants results in a 25-game suspension.
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'KingPrawn said:
Source: Braun didn't take PED

Source: Braun didn't take PED

By Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: Dec. 11, 2011 1:00 p.m. |(74) Comments

A very good source on the Ryan Braun side of the drug testing controversy assures me that Braun did not test positive for a performance-enhancing drug, as reported by ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

ESPN reported that Braun tested positive for a PED that gave him an abnormally high testosterone level, which proved to be synthetic and therefore not produced by the body.

But my source -- and again, this is from Braun's end and not MLB -- familiar with the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind. And the source says there has "never" been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program.

The source said MLB "knows that Ryan is telling the truth" and that source firmly believes the postive test will be overturned. Pretty amazing stuff, huh?

The source said more detail couldn't be provided at this time because of the ongoing legal process. But suffice it to say that this is getting more interesting by the minute. If the prohibited substance wasn't a PED, it still triggered a positive result in MLB's steroid-testing policy.

If the prohibited substance Braun tested positive for was a stimulant instead of a steroid, he wouldn't be facing a 50-game suspension. The first offense for stimulants results in a 25-game suspension.
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Yeah I think it was on Mike&mike this morning. They said his test result was somehting like 3 times higher than any possible result or 3times higher than anything ever tested before, and that his own retest came back clean...Not sure what to think/believe at this point

 
The herpes thing is all over the place now. Embarrassing, but at least it wouldn't taint his on-field performance...

 
'gruecd said:
The herpes thing is all over the place now. Embarrassing, but at least it wouldn't taint his on-field performance...
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Vick has herpes and never failed a drug test other than weed.

 
Medication to Blame

Did Ryan Braun read the CBA. Have his lawyers read the CBA. There are rules in place for taking medication that may cause tainted results for PED's. Ryan's lawyers are making him look more guilty the more they leak information out to the public. They also make him look like he doesn't understand the rules he has to follow as an MLB ballplayer.

Major League Baseball’s collevtive bargaining agreement (the same one that says you can have exemptions for situations like this) doesn’t allow you to go back and get exemptions for tests you’ve already failed.

 
'uconnalum said:
Medication to Blame

Did Ryan Braun read the CBA. Have his lawyers read the CBA. There are rules in place for taking medication that may cause tainted results for PED's. Ryan's lawyers are making him look more guilty the more they leak information out to the public. They also make him look like he doesn't understand the rules he has to follow as an MLB ballplayer.

Major League Baseball’s collevtive bargaining agreement (the same one that says you can have exemptions for situations like this) doesn’t allow you to go back and get exemptions for tests you’ve already failed.
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It's an interesting test case here, IF this is true.

Technically, you are right. But I can see why given the sensitive nature of this situation why hemmight not report it. I habit followed the case but I would bet there is a chamce team doctors didn't even know.

I would hope common sense would prevail and th suspension would be waived if so.

That said, it seems pretty unbelievable

 
This is Braun's camp trying to build support for his case. I still feel he will serve the 50 game suspension. If they grant a waiver for one person then it will just open a can of worms for future cases. He should of followed the CBA and let everybody know he had Herpes and needed treatment. That is the reason you have a medical staff. These MLB teams are not supplying crackpot doctors either they are top physicians in an array of specialties and are versed on how to treat the players according to the CBA.

'Smack Tripper said:
'uconnalum said:
Medication to Blame

Did Ryan Braun read the CBA. Have his lawyers read the CBA. There are rules in place for taking medication that may cause tainted results for PED's. Ryan's lawyers are making him look more guilty the more they leak information out to the public. They also make him look like he doesn't understand the rules he has to follow as an MLB ballplayer.

Major League Baseball’s collevtive bargaining agreement (the same one that says you can have exemptions for situations like this) doesn’t allow you to go back and get exemptions for tests you’ve already failed.
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It's an interesting test case here, IF this is true.

Technically, you are right. But I can see why given the sensitive nature of this situation why hemmight not report it. I habit followed the case but I would bet there is a chamce team doctors didn't even know.

I would hope common sense would prevail and th suspension would be waived if so.

That said, it seems pretty unbelievable
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'uconnalum said:
This is Braun's camp trying to build support for his case. I still feel he will serve the 50 game suspension. If they grant a waiver for one person then it will just open a can of worms for future cases. He should of followed the CBA and let everybody know he had Herpes and needed treatment. That is the reason you have a medical staff. These MLB teams are not supplying crackpot doctors either they are top physicians in an array of specialties and are versed on how to treat the players according to the CBA.

'Smack Tripper said:
'uconnalum said:
Medication to Blame

Did Ryan Braun read the CBA. Have his lawyers read the CBA. There are rules in place for taking medication that may cause tainted results for PED's. Ryan's lawyers are making him look more guilty the more they leak information out to the public. They also make him look like he doesn't understand the rules he has to follow as an MLB ballplayer.

Major League Baseball’s collevtive bargaining agreement (the same one that says you can have exemptions for situations like this) doesn’t allow you to go back and get exemptions for tests you’ve already failed.
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It's an interesting test case here, IF this is true.

Technically, you are right. But I can see why given the sensitive nature of this situation why hemmight not report it. I habit followed the case but I would bet there is a chamce team doctors didn't even know.

I would hope common sense would prevail and th suspension would be waived if so.

That said, it seems pretty unbelievable
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Should have let everybody know? Ever hear of HIPAA? And how do we know that team doctors weren't aware of the treatment and they screwed up? And Braun should follow the CBA? I thought these were supposed to be confidential tests as called for by the CBA?
 
'uconnalum said:
This is Braun's camp trying to build support for his case. I still feel he will serve the 50 game suspension. If they grant a waiver for one person then it will just open a can of worms for future cases. He should of followed the CBA and let everybody know he had Herpes and needed treatment. That is the reason you have a medical staff. These MLB teams are not supplying crackpot doctors either they are top physicians in an array of specialties and are versed on how to treat the players according to the CBA.

'Smack Tripper said:
'uconnalum said:
Medication to Blame

Did Ryan Braun read the CBA. Have his lawyers read the CBA. There are rules in place for taking medication that may cause tainted results for PED's. Ryan's lawyers are making him look more guilty the more they leak information out to the public. They also make him look like he doesn't understand the rules he has to follow as an MLB ballplayer.

Major League Baseball’s collevtive bargaining agreement (the same one that says you can have exemptions for situations like this) doesn’t allow you to go back and get exemptions for tests you’ve already failed.
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It's an interesting test case here, IF this is true.

Technically, you are right. But I can see why given the sensitive nature of this situation why hemmight not report it. I habit followed the case but I would bet there is a chamce team doctors didn't even know.

I would hope common sense would prevail and th suspension would be waived if so.

That said, it seems pretty unbelievable
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If the CBA were being followed here, we wouldnt know about any of this.
 
'KingPrawn said:
'uconnalum said:
This is Braun's camp trying to build support for his case. I still feel he will serve the 50 game suspension. If they grant a waiver for one person then it will just open a can of worms for future cases. He should of followed the CBA and let everybody know he had Herpes and needed treatment. That is the reason you have a medical staff. These MLB teams are not supplying crackpot doctors either they are top physicians in an array of specialties and are versed on how to treat the players according to the CBA.

'Smack Tripper said:
'uconnalum said:
Medication to Blame

Did Ryan Braun read the CBA. Have his lawyers read the CBA. There are rules in place for taking medication that may cause tainted results for PED's. Ryan's lawyers are making him look more guilty the more they leak information out to the public. They also make him look like he doesn't understand the rules he has to follow as an MLB ballplayer.

Major League Baseball’s collevtive bargaining agreement (the same one that says you can have exemptions for situations like this) doesn’t allow you to go back and get exemptions for tests you’ve already failed.
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It's an interesting test case here, IF this is true.

Technically, you are right. But I can see why given the sensitive nature of this situation why hemmight not report it. I habit followed the case but I would bet there is a chamce team doctors didn't even know.

I would hope common sense would prevail and th suspension would be waived if so.

That said, it seems pretty unbelievable
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Should have let everybody know? Ever hear of HIPAA? And how do we know that team doctors weren't aware of the treatment and they screwed up? And Braun should follow the CBA? I thought these were supposed to be confidential tests as called for by the CBA?
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King Prawn you know as well as any other individual knows once you become a star and are in the sportlight the Anonymous Source is always somebody close to the individual or within the organization who sold them out for money. HIPAA, Confidentiality agreements, nothing will protect you from the anonymous source.He is done for the first 50 games; they cannot waive it because then this sets precedence for other ballplayers to commit the same infraction.

 
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