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Late round RBs, who is the Moreno of this year? (1 Viewer)
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gandalas
Footballguy
Gerhardt, Jennings, Richardson all possibilities.
Not sure right now who can be viewed as a probable 3rd stringer who could make that jump this year - someone else in that NYG backfield? Moreno last year had the prefect storm of entering a high-octane offense as the starter, but not being widely seen as the #1 guy until rather late in the process. Not sure who else this year could qualify.
Not sure right now who can be viewed as a probable 3rd stringer who could make that jump this year - someone else in that NYG backfield? Moreno last year had the prefect storm of entering a high-octane offense as the starter, but not being widely seen as the #1 guy until rather late in the process. Not sure who else this year could qualify.
12punch
Footballguy
4th/5th is a late round?
also, he asked for guys who might be successful, so that rules out richardson.
I'll put my vote in for bradshaw, and I drafted moreno last year.
Dr. Octopus
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Chaka
Footballguy
I like Ben Tate because of his offensive line.
I like Gerhart because of his opportunity.
I like Ray Rice because he is tremendously talented and comes at a discount because of the suspension.
I kind of like Jennings because I think Coughlin likes him.
I don't really like Lamar Miller too much but considering the very poor reports about Moreno during OTAs I am keeping a close eye on him.
I think Steven Jackson is interesting because of the offense he is in, but I definitely back him up with Devonta Freeman.
Bill Parcells likes Khiry Robinson and that counts for something. Unfortunately Payton has never turned the reins over to a single back for the bulk of the carries and I don't see that happening now.
I like Gerhart because of his opportunity.
I like Ray Rice because he is tremendously talented and comes at a discount because of the suspension.
I kind of like Jennings because I think Coughlin likes him.
I don't really like Lamar Miller too much but considering the very poor reports about Moreno during OTAs I am keeping a close eye on him.
I think Steven Jackson is interesting because of the offense he is in, but I definitely back him up with Devonta Freeman.
Bill Parcells likes Khiry Robinson and that counts for something. Unfortunately Payton has never turned the reins over to a single back for the bulk of the carries and I don't see that happening now.
12punch
Footballguy
I'd second those guys but aren't they, like, 7th rounders?
moreno was probably down in the double digits
Chaka
Footballguy
I have Moreno's ADP from last year being between RB #49-#55. In that group at the moment David Wilson jumps out, if he can stay healthy and not fumble the sky is the limit for that guy.
ETA: Despite the ADP of RB #49 on Aug 28th Moreno was the #34 RB taken in my league. In that group right now I like Lamar Miller.
ETA: Despite the ADP of RB #49 on Aug 28th Moreno was the #34 RB taken in my league. In that group right now I like Lamar Miller.
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12punch
Footballguy
yeah, he's the undisputed workhorse on that team going in the 4th
who are your other late round sleepers -- foster and ellington?
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dmac37
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Last year I thought Moreno was a slam dunk sleeper with the history of Fox and RB's. This year not a slam dunk but my top choice for a late draft pick is Bradshaw. Richardson will get the first crack to take hold of RB1 for the Colts but if he plays like last year in the pre-season Bradshaw may slide right in.
Bradshaw has proven to be a top NFL RB. Even though he has had injury issues in the past, until his neck injury last year he did not always practice but he would still suit up and play each week. His feet have had close to a year to heal, if his neck is not an issue T Rich better bring it or he could be on the outside looking in.
Bradshaw has proven to be a top NFL RB. Even though he has had injury issues in the past, until his neck injury last year he did not always practice but he would still suit up and play each week. His feet have had close to a year to heal, if his neck is not an issue T Rich better bring it or he could be on the outside looking in.
12punch
Footballguy
that's not a bad one if you're a true believer, or maybe jeremy hill, if he doesn't bubble up the boards
12punch
Footballguy
dmac37
Footballguy
I would agree with Wilson if Coughlin was not still calling the shots. I just don't think the stubborn old codger will give him a fair chance to be the lead dog in a committee.
Chaka
Footballguy
I can't see Jeremy Hill being better than Giovanni Bernard and he would have to be if he is this year's Moreno.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Bradshaw has talent no doubt and he's only 28 but he has played 16 games 1 time in 7 seasons. I think the guy to watch there if Richardson fails is Vic Ballard at least as grinder to help keep Bradshaw healthy.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
I don't see it with Wilson. Coming off a cervical fusion? No way get gets more than a handful of touches per game.
12punch
Footballguy
that may be so, but it's why you get him in the 13th, or whatever, and I also think it's a bit of an overstatement.Bradshaw has talent no doubt and he's only 28 but he has played 16 games 1 time in 7 seasons. I think the guy to watch there if Richardson fails is Vic Ballard at least as grinder to help keep Bradshaw healthy.
he played 15 games in 2 of his 6 seasons with the giants, 14 in another, and averaged 14 games/year over that 6 year stretch, which includes his 12 game rookie year after being drafted in the 7th, but doesn't count the playoff games he was in --- add in the playoffs and he was probably in 90 games over a 6 year stretch.
how many 'not injury prone' rb can claim that?
pantherclub
Footballguy
for like the 20th time sjax is about half a decade past his prime.
RBM
Footballguy
RBM
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I should say the end of their prime as athletes. 29-31 is old for RBs but still within the range to be productive.
socrates
Footballguy
Last year set up well for Moreno's success. High Octane Offense; only unproven competition with flaws in pass protection and ball security. Nevertheless, there were legitimate concerns the Denver backfield would be by committee, and it even appeared at the end of training camp that Moreno might find himself on the short end of that committee.
Finding another late round RB gem who will produce like that again is unlikely to happen this season, but there are certainly some intriguing situations to monitor. Obviously, injury situations could change the landscape quickly, but aside from potential injury situations, here are some later round backs who are squarely on my radar:
DMac's suggestion of Ahmad Bradshaw certainly has merit, but I don't see the Colts giving up too quickly on Richardson.
Both Mark Ingram and Khiry Robinson showed some real promise in the Saints' playoff run last post season, but it's difficult to trust Coach Sean Payton to lean heavily enough on either of them to fulfill their potential.
Knowshon Moreno is again dropping down draft boards with the news of his knee, and while Lamar Miller has intriguing athleticism, Moreno could once again make a late push for a starting role. Miami's offense will not produce the fantasy points Denver compiled, but Moreno is shaping up as a value pick, nonetheless.
Stepfan Taylor really intrigues me. I don't expect Ellington to get the number of touches Coach Arians has suggested. (If he does, I put week 5 as the over/under for Ellington to break down.) Taylor does many things really well, and he could get a fairly significant role in Arizona this season.
Lance Dunbar could play a larger role in Dallas than some are predicting. He is electric with the ball in his hands. My only concern is how long he can last.
Neither DMC nor MJD look like the answer in Oakland. Latavius Murray is a real long shot buried in Oakland, but someone worth keeping an eye on.
Coach John Fox has shown he has little patience with backs who fail to protect Manning. If Ball falters in that area, CJ Anderson could quickly expand his role in the offense.
Several rookies intrigue me: Charles Sims could find a PPR-valuable role in Tampa's offense; Both Tre Mason and Terrance West could challenge early for starting roles; While the rookies will be drafted high in dynasty leagues, in redrafts, they could make nice end-of-your-bench stashes.
Finding another late round RB gem who will produce like that again is unlikely to happen this season, but there are certainly some intriguing situations to monitor. Obviously, injury situations could change the landscape quickly, but aside from potential injury situations, here are some later round backs who are squarely on my radar:
DMac's suggestion of Ahmad Bradshaw certainly has merit, but I don't see the Colts giving up too quickly on Richardson.
Both Mark Ingram and Khiry Robinson showed some real promise in the Saints' playoff run last post season, but it's difficult to trust Coach Sean Payton to lean heavily enough on either of them to fulfill their potential.
Knowshon Moreno is again dropping down draft boards with the news of his knee, and while Lamar Miller has intriguing athleticism, Moreno could once again make a late push for a starting role. Miami's offense will not produce the fantasy points Denver compiled, but Moreno is shaping up as a value pick, nonetheless.
Stepfan Taylor really intrigues me. I don't expect Ellington to get the number of touches Coach Arians has suggested. (If he does, I put week 5 as the over/under for Ellington to break down.) Taylor does many things really well, and he could get a fairly significant role in Arizona this season.
Lance Dunbar could play a larger role in Dallas than some are predicting. He is electric with the ball in his hands. My only concern is how long he can last.
Neither DMC nor MJD look like the answer in Oakland. Latavius Murray is a real long shot buried in Oakland, but someone worth keeping an eye on.
Coach John Fox has shown he has little patience with backs who fail to protect Manning. If Ball falters in that area, CJ Anderson could quickly expand his role in the offense.
Several rookies intrigue me: Charles Sims could find a PPR-valuable role in Tampa's offense; Both Tre Mason and Terrance West could challenge early for starting roles; While the rookies will be drafted high in dynasty leagues, in redrafts, they could make nice end-of-your-bench stashes.
12punch
Footballguy
socrates
Footballguy
12punch
Footballguy
is there much reason to expect better from a 31 yr old williams this year?
although still in his prime, I expect that team to be a tire fire --- last in the division with 6 wins.
Insein
Footballguy
Late round for a RB is about 5th and on. Theres a whole group of guys way down from last year. Rice, SJax, Wilson, MJD, CJ2k and TRich. Odds are one of them returns to form. Guessing who is the trick. My bet is Chris Johnson. Good situation plus hes still on the right side of 30.
As far as out of no where guys that come on due to some injuries, I like Khiry Robinson a lot. Marc Ingram is nothing and Pierre is average. Khiry could get a lot of reps if theres an injury to either one.
As far as out of no where guys that come on due to some injuries, I like Khiry Robinson a lot. Marc Ingram is nothing and Pierre is average. Khiry could get a lot of reps if theres an injury to either one.
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Tanner9919
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I'll say Andre Brown..I don't know what to make of Foster - I think he's just plain shot..the carries have piled up and I don't know what's left..this should at least be a timeshare of sorts.Brown can play. but it all depends on how effective the O-line is..
Andre Williams - Wilson will be limited to just a few touches/gm.Jennings is a never-has-been who has never shown he can be the workhorse RB the Giants envision...seriously,if Williams shows you anything north of a pulse, he'll steal that lead RB role for the Giants..
R. Helu
Bryce Brown
Donald Brown
Andre Williams - Wilson will be limited to just a few touches/gm.Jennings is a never-has-been who has never shown he can be the workhorse RB the Giants envision...seriously,if Williams shows you anything north of a pulse, he'll steal that lead RB role for the Giants..
R. Helu
Bryce Brown
Donald Brown
pantherclub
Footballguy
I think Bryce brown has incredible potential.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Word is, so far he has been unimpressive and could be let go for one of the UDFA RBs they like...
"ESPN Broncos reporter Jeff Legwold left second-year RB C.J. Anderson off his initial 53-man roster projection.
It's obviously way too early to project final rosters before a training camp practice or even preseason game has taken place, but it's noteworthy nonetheless and something to store away. Legwold notes that Anderson is going to have to show more than he did during the spring to serve as Montee Ball's backup. Ronnie Hillman is currently in the lead for No. 2 duties, though there's a better than good chance that will change once the summer is over. UDFA RBs Brennan Clay and Juwan Thompson made some noise in the spring. Jul 18 - 12:32 PM"
cheese
Footballguy
Moreno landed the full-time gig on an extremely explosive offense and held it down all year. If you're looking to duplicate that, you'll want to look at situations like GB, Den, NE, Indy, NO, and probably a few that I'm forgetting. For obvious reasons, most of those RB situations are drafted highly. The possible exception is Indy.
TRich is borderline for qualifying as late, but I think he is the most similar to Moreno's profile.
Bradshaw if he can get on the field is going later and could do it if he somehow took the job.
I would also throw out Ridley. Vereen is probably right to be picked ahead of him, but Ridley had a lot of buzz last year as a potential every down starter and if he won that role this year he still has the potential to do it.
TRich is borderline for qualifying as late, but I think he is the most similar to Moreno's profile.
Bradshaw if he can get on the field is going later and could do it if he somehow took the job.
I would also throw out Ridley. Vereen is probably right to be picked ahead of him, but Ridley had a lot of buzz last year as a potential every down starter and if he won that role this year he still has the potential to do it.
MattFancy
Footballguy
DeAngelo Williams - JStew is always hurt and they don't have much else behind him. Plus with the mess at WR, they may run the ball more this season.
David Wilson - Fell off the hype train early last season, but appears to be healthy going into TC. Jennings is nice, but is nothing special. Andre Williams isn't as dynamic as Wilson. As a late-round flier, why not?
Terrance West - Tate is injury prone and Kyle Shanahan showed in Washington he has no problem going with a rookie RB if he's the more talented guy. I expect alot of running in Cleveland this year.
Mark Ingram - Pierre Thomas is getting older and averaged a whopping 3.7YPC last season. Robinson is still unproven. If Ingram is going to finally have a season we think he's capable of, why not this year?
Tre Mason - Could he be this year's Zac Stacy? Some believed he was the best RB in this year's class. Stacy is good, but I don't think it's crazy to think Mason can take the job away from him.
Ka'Deem Carey - I like Forte ALOT, but he does have an injury history. Carey could easily step in for Chicago and produce if Forte went down.
David Wilson - Fell off the hype train early last season, but appears to be healthy going into TC. Jennings is nice, but is nothing special. Andre Williams isn't as dynamic as Wilson. As a late-round flier, why not?
Terrance West - Tate is injury prone and Kyle Shanahan showed in Washington he has no problem going with a rookie RB if he's the more talented guy. I expect alot of running in Cleveland this year.
Mark Ingram - Pierre Thomas is getting older and averaged a whopping 3.7YPC last season. Robinson is still unproven. If Ingram is going to finally have a season we think he's capable of, why not this year?
Tre Mason - Could he be this year's Zac Stacy? Some believed he was the best RB in this year's class. Stacy is good, but I don't think it's crazy to think Mason can take the job away from him.
Ka'Deem Carey - I like Forte ALOT, but he does have an injury history. Carey could easily step in for Chicago and produce if Forte went down.
steveski
Footballguy
I think Tre Mason could take over as the lead back for the Rams. I don't think he'll be top 5 due to schedule but should be top 10 or 15 if he does.
I like the Bradshaw pick that most people are throwing out there. Let's face it, TRich is far from a sure thing, and I'd say more likely than not to be a dud. Some in here are saying Bradshaw isn't that great and I disagree. He's a great all purpose back and IMO a perfect fit for a great passing team like the Colts. He's constantly injured but he plays through most of them and it usually doesn't affect his performance. He's one of the guys that you usually don't have to worry about when he has the Questionable tag. Obviously Trent has to fail first, but at Bradshaws price it's worth the chance.
Like the Wilson pick as well at his current price. Not as the next Moreno though. I think with Williams and Jennings there, the chances of Wilson being an every down back that never leads the field is very slim. I do see his carries improving throughout the year though and definitely being fantasy relevant. Given his ADP definitely worth a shot. He'll probably start climbing up the boards though.
I like the Bradshaw pick that most people are throwing out there. Let's face it, TRich is far from a sure thing, and I'd say more likely than not to be a dud. Some in here are saying Bradshaw isn't that great and I disagree. He's a great all purpose back and IMO a perfect fit for a great passing team like the Colts. He's constantly injured but he plays through most of them and it usually doesn't affect his performance. He's one of the guys that you usually don't have to worry about when he has the Questionable tag. Obviously Trent has to fail first, but at Bradshaws price it's worth the chance.
Like the Wilson pick as well at his current price. Not as the next Moreno though. I think with Williams and Jennings there, the chances of Wilson being an every down back that never leads the field is very slim. I do see his carries improving throughout the year though and definitely being fantasy relevant. Given his ADP definitely worth a shot. He'll probably start climbing up the boards though.
Adam said he wouldn't put much weight in his assessment. What's the deal with Legwold?
Shutout
Footballguy
There are no Morenos this year. The way the question is asked, it sounds like NOBODY saw this coming last year with Moreno and that simply isn't true. There were some threads with people pounding the tables making a case for Moreno to be caught in the perfect storm last year. I was part of that crowd so I remember it and the thing that sticks out to me most is that those who were making the case were laying it all out there with good reasoning.
Looking at this year's landscape, I don't see anything remotely close to that scenario. In a simplified version, "show me the completely ignored, yet capable RB on that team that happens to have as his strongest trait to be able to do the one thing the team absolutely has as a paramount criteria for their RB. Now verify that that same RB is on a really really good team with offensive threats across the lineup and also has one of the best QBs ever to play on his team. Now show me that same RB is getting completely ignored because the team drafted a rookie RB and FF'ers are drooling at the pretty new girl."
The scenario is not out there this year.
Looking at this year's landscape, I don't see anything remotely close to that scenario. In a simplified version, "show me the completely ignored, yet capable RB on that team that happens to have as his strongest trait to be able to do the one thing the team absolutely has as a paramount criteria for their RB. Now verify that that same RB is on a really really good team with offensive threats across the lineup and also has one of the best QBs ever to play on his team. Now show me that same RB is getting completely ignored because the team drafted a rookie RB and FF'ers are drooling at the pretty new girl."
The scenario is not out there this year.
