Otis
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I mean, I felt that way already before making this post. But it did make me feel a little better to spit some venom at stupidity.
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9-year-old girl accidentally kills instructor with uzi (1 Viewer)
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Otis
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At least 3. Including the two who by nature were charged with being her most zealous caretakers.
Otis
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the hairy scotsman
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Yep. This. It's just unfathomable that a range instructor thought it would be even a remotely good idea to let a weak-armed little 9 yo fire an automatic weapon, esp one with such a high fire rate. Someone who knew nothing about guns? Maybe, but a range instructor? It would seem that there's only one cure for stupidity.It's been said many times. You can't fix stupid. Not sure what this has to do with SECOND AMENDMENT.
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Bonzai
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McGarnicle
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It is stupid for anyone to take an Uzi to the range. They are known to be inaccurate, so they're used to just spray and hope you hit something. So it's a dumb weapon from a safety aspect but also because a new shooter isn't learning proper form, aim, etc. it's like trying to teach someone the proper way to dice an onion, with a machete.
I shot rifles in summer camp. They were the old .22 bolt action, chained down to a platform. You had to lay down on your stomach to shoot them, and it was impossible to fire them in any direction except toward the target. There are safe ways to introduce a kid to shooting.
I shot rifles in summer camp. They were the old .22 bolt action, chained down to a platform. You had to lay down on your stomach to shoot them, and it was impossible to fire them in any direction except toward the target. There are safe ways to introduce a kid to shooting.
johnnycakes
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Sam Scarmardo, the manager for the Last Stop's shooting range, told NBC News that "the establish practice at most shooting ranges is 8 years old and up with parental supervision."
The range is aptly named.
The range is aptly named.
Todd Andrews
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KooK YOLO
Cliff Clavin
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She should have googled Rambo.
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You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.
Sack full of stupid in that scenario.
glock
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glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
I kinda agree with you here. Except that the misguided- IMHO- hands off approach advocated by many with regard to gun regulation does fuel this kinda scenario. And what amendment do those folks invoke again?
drummer
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johnnycakes
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Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Not that I would ever let my 10 yr old daughter handle one, but Uzis are not inaccurate smgs. Had to point that out. Developed by Israel, who knows how to pack punch.
joffer
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Sammy3469
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Well not as big of an idiot as all the people that go to that range and let kids shoot UZIs. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, so yeah, people are advocating letting 9 year olds shoot UZIs.
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McGarnicle
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Accurate for what it is maybe, but pointless to use for target shooting at a range, no? It's not the kind of weapon you hold, aim and fire precise rounds one at a time toward a target, like a hunting rifle. It's used in combat. Just saying, it's a stupid choice for multiple reasons.
comfortably numb
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It's a good thing to teach children who will be around firearms how to properly handle them and such.
With that said I'm sure I'm in the faaaaaar minority here but I see no reason why any citizen should even be allowed to own an uzi.
With that said I'm sure I'm in the faaaaaar minority here but I see no reason why any citizen should even be allowed to own an uzi.
Otis
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NCCommish
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It isn't really the age per se that is the problem. I started handling guns when I was about that age. But I got a 410/.22 over/under to start with. Single shot, light and easy to handle. I was only allowed to shoot it when adult supervision was available. And we were always taught to only shoot down range. Never point it at anyone, always know what you are shooting at, always assume it's loaded. So kids can handle guns if properly instructed and given reasonable things to start with. I would never give a child of 9 a weapon that easy to lose control of.
Otis
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Not sure why you're bringing me into this. The amount of stupid I've seen in this forum recently has been a sobering reminder of just
how incredibly dumb the gen pop out there really is. If you think nobody finds this behavior acceptable, you must not have read the story where the parents of a nine year old girl let her shoot an uzi and she killed someone. Or the parents of the kid just a few years earlier accidentally killed himself with an uzi at a gun show.
So, yeah, I disagree. I think there are plenty of morons out there who find this level of risk, and this level of risk in similar activities, completely acceptable.
Speaking of which, whatdya say we get a dozen really sweet and loving pitbulls and let them loose in the daycare today. Honestly, these animals are soooooo sweet with my nephew, they'd never hurt a fly. What could go wrong?
Otis
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Or maybe we can just refrain from giving a child of 9 any weapons at all?
I know, I know. That's crazy.
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I understand what you're saying, but not all range time is for precision shooting. An Uzi would be a lot of fun for an ADULT to shoot.
Sammy3469
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NCCommish
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I get that you don't understand the social underpinnings but kids are going hunting with fathers at that age. The reality is those kids generally grow up to be responsible gun owners who never harm anyone or themselves. And pass on that tradition to their own kids. You would much rather have those kids who grew up knowing what a gun does and how dangerous it is than a lot of these gunfondlers we have today who learned everything they know from TV and COD. Those of us that grew up handling guns are just as pissed off when some jackass let's a kid get a gun and hurt themselves or others as you are. Or when these open carry dooshes are prancing around. Many of us gave up on the NRA a long time ago when they became an industry cheerleader and not a responsible part of the dialogue. But that doesn't mean that something that doesn't work for you doesn't have a place.
timschochet
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Serious question, Otis: if the 2nd Amendment didn't exist and if you were in charge of all gun laws, what would you impose?
McGarnicle
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No way!!!!
tri-man 47
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Very true. But as Otis first noted, the girl and her family will have to deal with this for the rest of their lives.
As you said: Tragic.
drummer
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pantagrapher
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That young girl has to live with having killed a man. I hope her parents are proud of themselves.
the hairy scotsman
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Yep.
Wow. Just quoted and agreed with Icon & NCCommish in the same thread. End times, I tell ya.
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