What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

Final mock - Includes trades - two rounds (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

Andy Dufresne

Footballguy
It's been another fun season....

1. Houston - Khalil Mack OLB - Buffalo
2. St. Louis - Greg Robinson OT - Auburn
3. Jacksonville - Jadeveon Clowney DE - South Carolina
4. Cleveland - Johnny Manziel QB - Texas A&M
5. Detroit (from Oakland) - Sammy Watkins WR - Clemson
6. Atlanta - Jake Matthews OT - Texas A&M
7. Tampa Bay - Mike Evans WR - Texas A&M
8. Minnesota - Aaron Donald DT - Pittsburgh
9. Buffalo - Odell Beckham Jr. WR - LSU
10. Oakland (from Detroit) - Taylor Lewan OT - Michigan
11. Tennessee - Justin Gilbert CB - Oklahoma State
12. NY Giants - Zack Martin OG - Notre Dame
13. St. Louis - Hasean Clinton-Dix FS - Alabama
14. Chicago - RaShede Hageman DT - Minnesota
15. Pittsburgh - Darqueze Dennard CB - Michigan State
16. Dallas - Anthony Barr OLB - UCLA
17. Baltimore - Eric Ebron TE - North Carolina
18. NY Jets - Marqise Lee WR - Southern California
19. San Francisco (From Miami) - Brandin Cooks WR - Oregon State
20. Arizona - Demarcus Lawrence DE - Boise State
21. Green Bay - C.J. Mosley ILB - Alabama
22. Philadelphia - Kyle Fuller CB - Virginia Tech
23. Minnesota (from Kansas City) - Blake Bortles QB - UCF
24. Cincinnati - Calvin Pryor FS - Louisville
25. San Diego - Jason Verrett CB - TCU
26. Cleveland - Allen Robinson WR - Penn State
27. New Orleans - Ryan Shazier OLB - Ohio State
28. Carolina - Joel Bitonio OG - Nevada
29. New England - Louis Nix DT - Notre Dame
30. Miami (from San Francisco) - JaWuan James OT - Tennessee
31. Denver - Morgan Moses OT - Virginia
32. Seattle - Xavier Su'a-Filo OG - UCLA

Second round

33. Houston - Teddy Bridgewater QB - Louisville
34. Washington - Cyrus Kouandjio OT - Alabama
35. Cleveland - Bradley Roby CB - Ohio State
36. Oakland - Derek Carr QB - Fresno State
37. Atlanta - Kyle Van Noy OLB - Brigham Young
38. Tampa Bay - Jace Amaro TE - Texas Tech
39. Jacksonville - Jimmy Garoppolo QB - Eastern Illinois
40. Kansas City (from Minnesota) - Cody Latimer WR - Indiana
41. Buffalo - Kony Ealy DE - Missouri
42. Tennessee - Carlos Hyde RB - Ohio State
43. New York Giants - Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE - Washington
44. St. Louis - Phillip Gaines CB - Rice
45. Oakland (from Detroit) - Terrence Brooks FS - Florida State
46. Pittsburgh - Kelvin Benjamin WR - Florida State
47. Dallas - Jimmie Ward SS - Northern Illinois
48. Baltimore - Stephon Tuitt DT - Notre Dame
49. New York Jets - Dee Ford DE - Auburn
50. Miami - Chris Borland ILB - Wisconsin
51. Chicago - Deone Bucannon SS - Washington State
52. Arizona - Billy Turner OT - North Dakota State
53. Green Bay - Weston Richburg C - Colorado State
54. Philadelphia - Davante Adams WR - Fresno State
55. Cincinnati - Scott Crichton DE - Oregon State
56. Miami (from San Francisco (from Kansas City)) - Timmy Jernigan DT - Florida State
57. San Diego - Jeremiah Attaochu OLB - Georgia Tech
58. New Orleans - Donte Moncrief WR - Ole Miss
59. Indianapolis - Dakota Dozier OG - Furman
60. Carolina - Martavis Bryant WR 10 Clemson
61. San Francisco - Keith McGill CB - Utah
62. New England - Gabe Jackson OG - Mississippi State
63. Denver - Dominique Easley DT - Florida
64. Seattle - Antonio Richardson OT - Tennessee
 
Last edited by a moderator:
It surprised me that Tuitt, Ealy, and Ford kept getting pushed further and further down. But the more I read, the more I think that's the take on these guys.

I swear I put Jimmy Ward to Dallas before I read Rotoworld's take today.

I think Richburg might go much higher.

Benjamin might go much lower. I probably should have put Matthews there instead.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Good mock, just wanted to point out that Sammy Watkins at pick #5 is not in play unless Detroit is throwing in a future #1 pick as well as that pick #45. If Watkins is there in that scenario, no doubt that Raiders will pick him. They will have to be absolutely floored to give up that pick.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Good mock, just wanted to point out that Sammy Watkins at pick #5 is not in play unless Detroit is throwing in a future #1 pick as well as that pick #45. If Watkins is there in that scenario, no doubt that Raiders will pick him. They will have to be absolutely floored to give up that pick.
Click to expand...
Maybe. No doubt the Lions would have to give up a bunch to get there, but if any team would do it... And the rumblings are big about this situation.

Evans would be a nice Raiders pick, but after picking up James Jones, the need is mitigated a bit.

 
Love the Donald pick for the Vikings! A Defensive line of Griffen, Robison, Wooten, Joseph, Floyd, and Donald while being coached by Zimmer would have me really excited.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Good mock, just wanted to point out that Sammy Watkins at pick #5 is not in play unless Detroit is throwing in a future #1 pick as well as that pick #45. If Watkins is there in that scenario, no doubt that Raiders will pick him. They will have to be absolutely floored to give up that pick.
Click to expand...
Maybe. No doubt the Lions would have to give up a bunch to get there, but if any team would do it... And the rumblings are big about this situation.

Evans would be a nice Raiders pick, but after picking up James Jones, the need is mitigated a bit.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't mind Evans at pick #5, but I really value what he could bring in a trade down. I hear a number of teams are interested in moving up to get Evans. In that situation, I'd be happy with a nominal value trade down. But if Watkins for some odd reason is there at #5, I'd be furius with Reggie if he traded down for anything less than a Mike Ditka like haul of picks.

 
This may be the most well-considered mock, from the view of the teams addressing needs, that I have seen. Great job. I still don't like the Bills taking a WR with the 9 pick, particularly if Evans is gone. With Stevie, Woods looking good (given what the QB situation was) and Marquise showing brilliant flashes. I don't see them taking Beckham if Lewan and Ebron are available. I also don't like the Saints reaching for Moncrief when he or someone with similar upside and question marks will be available in the second. But again, as good a mock as I've seen. Thanks for the care taken and work put in.

 
Catbird said:
This may be the most well-considered mock, from the view of the teams addressing needs, that I have seen. Great job. I still don't like the Bills taking a WR with the 9 pick, particularly if Evans is gone. With Stevie, Woods looking good (given what the QB situation was) and Marquise showing brilliant flashes. I don't see them taking Beckham if Lewan and Ebron are available. I also don't like the Saints reaching for Moncrief when he or someone with similar upside and question marks will be available in the second. But again, as good a mock as I've seen. Thanks for the care taken and work put in.
Click to expand...
:confused: I have them taking Moncrief IN the second.

Thanks for the kudos! :hifive:

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Andy Dufresne said:
It surprised me that Tuitt, Ealy, and Ford kept getting pushed further and further down. But the more I read, the more I think that's the take on these guys.

I swear I put Jimmy Ward to Dallas before I read Rotoworld's take today.

I think Richburg might go much higher.

Benjamin might go much lower. I probably should have put Matthews there instead.
Click to expand...
Marcus Martin is moving up fast, too and I think he'd be a consideration for a Jags in the second as well.

Interesting pick for the eagles at 22.. Going corner with Shazier, Calvin Pryor, and Latimer on the board.

They could use any one of those guys.

Overall, pretty good.

 
I like it. Can see much of this happening.

Just want to throw out there, that I could see Dallas going DT Dom Easley over FS Ward. Easley, prior to injury, rated higher than Donald as a 3-tech. It is the most important position for that defense. As much as Donald is the prized pick for Dallas at 16 (with Barr being 2nd most desired), Easley is likely the top choice at 47 assuming Donald wasn't 16.

Oh, and I believe both Ward and Easley visited Valley Ranch, which is always a strong indication of Cowboy interest. Ward could very, very likely be their pick at 47. They like him a lot. He fits their scheme well for the deep center-field safety, something they've sorely lacked in recent years. But from the tea leaves that I've read, they'd take Easley over him.

Overall, this is one of the best mocks I've seen. Enjoyed the read.

 
Cant see the Eagles taking a corner if Pryor was still there but we do need help at both spots.

I also think if Jordan Mathews and Davante Adams were sitting there in the 2nd, they would go with Matthews.

Picking nits though. Good mock.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I cant see the Rams not finding a trading partner if Clowney is there at #2. I have to think they would get something done with ATL even if it wasn't for all they would want. I think they want Mathews at the end of the day and I think he will be there at #6.

All in all nice mock

I also agree with you (even though I got hated on my mock for it......Aaron Donald isn't making it out of the top 10). I think TB takes him before Minnesota even has a chance but if a Chicago or Dallas wants him they are going to have to move up.

 
I don't think the Bengals will pick a safety. They wen't several years in a row with it as a gaping hole and completely ignored the position. Now, they've fallen into a couple good starters so I doubt they'd pick now to suddenly prioritize it.

I personally think any corner makes sense or Cyrus Kuonadijo or Ford/Ealy or even Bridgewater as a longshot.

 
I had the Bengals taking Verrrett at one point.

Then I moved Mosley to the Packers, which left Pryor available.

Pryor would be an upgrade from either Nelson or Mays.

 
Gustavo Fring said:
No way Pryor slips past the Bears at 14, unless Dix is still on the board at 14.
Click to expand...
He'd be a fine addition, but I don't think the Bears signed three free agent safeties with the intention of drafting a fourth.

They'd be better off in this scenario taking the guy with upside (Hageman) and targeting a 2nd round safety.

 
Catbird said:
This may be the most well-considered mock, from the view of the teams addressing needs, that I have seen. Great job. I still don't like the Bills taking a WR with the 9 pick, particularly if Evans is gone. With Stevie, Woods looking good (given what the QB situation was) and Marquise showing brilliant flashes. I don't see them taking Beckham if Lewan and Ebron are available. I also don't like the Saints reaching for Moncrief when he or someone with similar upside and question marks will be available in the second. But again, as good a mock as I've seen. Thanks for the care taken and work put in.
Click to expand...
I like that it addresses the "not so subtle" battle beginning to wage for Odell Beckham. If Buffalo does not grab him there, you have teams beginning to jockey for space in front of the Giants (though I think they'd go O-Line either way), and I like that he had the Miami/SF trade for the slot to grab Cooks as they will feel the push for a WR after the Jets take Lee (who I believe they prefer over Cooks)...little nuances like that are what make this a very thoughtful mock.

 
I think the Vikings will go DB at 8 (Gilbert or Clinton-Dix) but I think you are dead right that they will then trade back into the first for their QB. In fact I have been thinking for a while that the Chiefs would make the perfect trade partner for them at that 23 spot too. Very nice!

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I had the Bengals taking Verrrett at one point.

Then I moved Mosley to the Packers, which left Pryor available.

Pryor would be an upgrade from either Nelson or Mays.
Click to expand...
I think Nelson and Iloka are pretty set as starting safeties. Even if you're right and Pryor is a slight upgrade over Iloka, I still think it's a weird time to start caring about safety for the organization.eta: Manning as a 3rd safety isn't terrible either

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Andy Dufresne said:
I had the Bengals taking Verrrett at one point.

Then I moved Mosley to the Packers, which left Pryor available.

Pryor would be an upgrade from either Nelson or Mays.
Click to expand...
Mays has been moved to LB.

Nelson is a good player. Manning and Iloka are competing for the other starting spot (along with last year's 3rd rounder, Sean Williams).

If a Safety is far and away the BPA, the Bengals could possibly draft him. But more likely they would try to trade down or take a guy at another position with a similar grade. Safety is pretty low on the Bengals list of needs.

They pretty much have to come out of the first 2 rounds having addressed at least 1 of their 2 big needs (OL and CB). Ideally, they'd hit both of those positions early.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Gustavo Fring said:
No way Pryor slips past the Bears at 14, unless Dix is still on the board at 14.
Click to expand...
He'd be a fine addition, but I don't think the Bears signed three free agent safeties with the intention of drafting a fourth.They'd be better off in this scenario taking the guy with upside (Hageman) and targeting a 2nd round safety.
Click to expand...
Hageman is a terrible pick. Dennard, Pryor... the bears don't need to reach there

 
tdmills said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Gustavo Fring said:
No way Pryor slips past the Bears at 14, unless Dix is still on the board at 14.
Click to expand...
He'd be a fine addition, but I don't think the Bears signed three free agent safeties with the intention of drafting a fourth.They'd be better off in this scenario taking the guy with upside (Hageman) and targeting a 2nd round safety.
Click to expand...
Hageman is a terrible pick. Dennard, Pryor... the bears don't need to reach there
Click to expand...
That's a nice opinion you've got there. But Hageman's flexibility is going to appeal to a lot of teams. Including the Bears.

Their defensive line was terrible last year and LOST its best piece.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
As likely as it seems, I can't bear seeing any more mocks with Robinson/Clinton-Dix to the Rams. Make it stop.

The only thing that would upset me more would be Robinson/Pryor.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
tdmills said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Gustavo Fring said:
No way Pryor slips past the Bears at 14, unless Dix is still on the board at 14.
Click to expand...
He'd be a fine addition, but I don't think the Bears signed three free agent safeties with the intention of drafting a fourth.They'd be better off in this scenario taking the guy with upside (Hageman) and targeting a 2nd round safety.
Click to expand...
Hageman is a terrible pick. Dennard, Pryor... the bears don't need to reach there
Click to expand...
That's a nice opinion you've got there. But Hageman's flexibility is going to appeal to a lot of teams. Including the Bears.

Their defensive line was terrible last year and LOST its best piece.
Click to expand...
2013: Jared Allen 11.5 sacks, Peppers 7.5

2011-2013: Jared Allen 45.5 sacks, Peppers 30 sacks

Chicago added their best piece in Jared Allen > Peppers. They also added Lamar Houston(flexible enough to play 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, 4-3 3 tech) and Willie Young a good pass rusher.

Jeremiah Ratliff is returning at DT and he played well once he came back from his injury. 1.5 sacks and 5 pressures in 5 games after being off for 1.5 years. DT Nate Collins is also going to be back after missing the last 11 games to an ACL. He was playing better than Melton prior to the injury. Where is this versatile DL going to play? Chicago's greatest need is a 1 tech/NT(playing multiple schemes).

Hageman is a 24 year old rs Senior that looks like tarzan/combine and work out performances but plays like Jane. Hageman gets pushed around way too much to be a top half of the first round pick, in fact I saw him moved 5 yards backwards vs Wisconsin this year. I've haven't seen him mocked this high in anywhere and I don't see a reason why Chicago would need to do that with more value on the board.

Aaron Donald is an easy answer because he's a stud. He's not only a great workout guy, but it translates onto the field. While 3 technique isn't the greatest need, he's a plug in starter.

In your mock, I would've rather have had the following guys over Hageman: Ebron, Lee, Fuller, Dennard, Pryor, Nix, Mosley.

 
If you're counting on Jared Allen you'd better pack a lunch. At this stage he's a liability in the run game and offers about the same as a pass rusher.

You need to watch more of Hageman than cherry picking a play or two.

In your favor, the Bears are bad enough at so many positions that I agree with all of your defensive alternatives.

It's cool if you don't like Hageman but he's a first rounder and is in the conversation for #2 DT after Donald.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
One of my favorite posters are here . . .

nice effort!!

The best part of the mock is at the top, where it seems that everyone thinks that it's a foregone conclusion that Clowney goes #1.

 
Carl Eller said:
As a Vikings fan I'd be jumping for joy getting Bortles at #23. I hope this draft comes true on Thursday/Friday.
Click to expand...
As an Eagles fan, I'd be jumping for joy if Bortles is there at 22 because someone at the top of rd 2 is gonna come calling.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
If you're counting on Jared Allen you'd better pack a lunch. At this stage he's a liability in the run game and offers about the same as a pass rusher.

You need to watch more of Hageman than cherry picking a play or two.

In your favor, the Bears are bad enough at so many positions that I agree with all of your defensive alternatives.

It's cool if you don't like Hageman but he's a first rounder and is in the conversation for #2 DT after Donald.
Click to expand...
11.5 sacks is a liability? What the heck do u think peppers is with his less sack totals and 2-3 years older? I'm not saying allen is the truth, but he's better than peppers has looked in a year and a half.

I've watched multiple games on hageman and I wouldn't spend a top half of the first round pick on him. I agree he could be in the discussion as DT #2, but that doesn't mean he's not a reach at 14.

When both of your starting cb's are in their 30's...dennard looks mighty tempting.

 
I watched Allen every weekend. The sack total is incredibly misleading. He very seldom got pressure on the QB. He's a shell of what he used to be.

 
Chicago Hooligan said:
Carl Eller said:
As a Vikings fan I'd be jumping for joy getting Bortles at #23. I hope this draft comes true on Thursday/Friday.
Click to expand...
The rest of the NFC North does too. Godspeed.
Click to expand...
Calling Bortles a bust already? I think it's too soon to do that. I'm not a huge fan myself, but well worth the risk picking him in the 20's. At #8 overall, no. I could come back and say some stupid stuff about Cutler, blah, blah, blah......but I'm higher class than that. Godspeed.

 
Andy thanks, this is a very good mock draft!

I've tried , but I just can't see Mack going before Clowney..if Mack is in fact the player Houston covets, I'd expect them to trade the #1 pick, ATL being the prime candidate..why take Mack at #1 if you know he'll slide as far as #6-7?

Clowney is the undisputed top pick in this draft and either Houston takes him, or someone trades up to get him at #1.

if Houston does take Mack at #1 , they've grossly overpaid for a player they could've snagged 5-8 picks later..

I love your thoughts about the Jets taking Lee in the first round.. :thumbup:

if the Giants can get 'thisclose' to snagging A. Donald at #12, a player who might go off at #9-10, perhaps they move up a couple of spots to get him?they're hard to predict, they can go many different ways in this draft, a real wildcard here..

high enough pick (#12) to maybe move up to take a Mike Evans or A. Donald, or do they move down and gather some more picks in the process? they do have a lot of holes to fill - WR, DE, OL, LB, TE..

 
Tanner9919 said:
Andy thanks, this is a very good mock draft!

I've tried , but I just can't see Mack going before Clowney..if Mack is in fact the player Houston covets, I'd expect them to trade the #1 pick, ATL being the prime candidate..why take Mack at #1 if you know he'll slide as far as #6-7?

Clowney is the undisputed top pick in this draft and either Houston takes him, or someone trades up to get him at #1.

if Houston does take Mack at #1 , they've grossly overpaid for a player they could've snagged 5-8 picks later..

I love your thoughts about the Jets taking Lee in the first round.. :thumbup:

if the Giants can get 'thisclose' to snagging A. Donald at #12, a player who might go off at #9-10, perhaps they move up a couple of spots to get him?they're hard to predict, they can go many different ways in this draft, a real wildcard here..

high enough pick (#12) to maybe move up to take a Mike Evans or A. Donald, or do they move down and gather some more picks in the process? they do have a lot of holes to fill - WR, DE, OL, LB, TE..
Click to expand...
The price for Atlanta to move up to #1 is high and I buy the signals out of that camp that they're unwilling to do so. Only teams in the top few spots can get to #1 and even for them it would cost at least their 2nd pick and likely more. In this draft, there's no way those teams are going to do that. This draft is SO deep, I think everyone in the 1st round is going to get a good player, it's just a matter of which. I mean, in this 1st round teams are like an Oprah audience, "YOU get a good player, and YOU get a good player, AND YOU GET A GOOD PLAYER!!!!"

There's almost zero chance that Mack would get to #6/7. Jacksonville will take which ever of Clowney or Mack that Houston doesn't. And if Houston took Clowney and Jacksonville passed on Mack, then any one of the Browns, Raiders, or Falcons would take him. The Texans are in a tough spot and won't be able to get out of that #1 spot. I don't think the Rams can get out of #2 either.

Clowney is NOT the undisputed top player. The top 5 all offer tremendous talent. I think it'll be some sort of combination of Clowney/Mack/Robinson/Manziel/Watkins...but to which teams I have no idea. There's no reason for teams like Cleveland/Oakland/Atlanta/Tampa to give up their early 2nd's for Clowney when the cost of doing so means missing out on the 1st round talent that's available at the top of the 2nd.

The Giants almost never trade.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Yogibear
Yogi's Projected 1st Round of the 2023 NFL Draft
Replies
3
Views
856
Dr. Octopus
Dr. Octopus
socrates
Early 2024 Dynasty Rookie Draft Rankings (Single QB)
2
Replies
76
Views
5K
JohnnyU
JohnnyU
T
Travdogg's pre-combine mock draft
2
Replies
52
Views
2K
(HULK)
(HULK)

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Top