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I do not like trading up for Beckham, I know how good he could be but we have enough little receivers already.
plays big. #2 WR on my board.

i understand where you're coming from, but think he's a perfect compliment to gordon
if we go ot at 4 then get a corner and a qb at 26 and 35 then come back with a wr that falls at 68. Or trade up into the 50's to get him. Our entire wr corps sans Gordon ( if Charles Johnson does not pan out) will be under six feet with Beckham. Will cause red zone problems. We punted little receivers when we signed Hawkins. Burleson doesn't help matters, but he is only on a one year deal.
Beckham is barely under 6' but the dude can jump out of the gym. Don't see the Browns getting him unless they trade up like Soulfly did though. With the depth everyone says there is at WR, doubt the Browns move up for one.

 
And count me among the ones who like Matthews more than Robinson. Would take either though.

Thomas, Greco, Mack, Schwartz, Matthews/Robinson

You won't see me complain about that.

 
I get that with Beckham, same can be said with Cooks, but that leaping ability is less effective in the red zone. That ability to play big is more of an asset in the open field. The box out type of plays inside the ten usually don't work with these types.

I think the team is better with some combo like Latimer, Fuller, and pick your qb than with Beckham and only the qb and no cb.

 
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5 Available Free Agents Still Within the Cleveland Browns' Reach By Will Burge, Featured Columnist Apr 15, 2014Rex Grossman, QB - The Browns currently have two quarterbacks on their roster. They have Brian Hoyer who will compete for the starting job and Alex Tanney who is a leftover from an injury-riddled mess towards the end of 2013.

The reality is that the Browns need to find two new quarterbacks to fill out their team. They need one who will compete with Hoyer and another who can serve as a veteran leader for the group.

That is where Rex Grossman comes in. He spent the last few years playing under Kyle Shanahan, the Browns new offensive coordinator, in Washington. He knows the system and would be willing to wear a headset on Sundays.

Grossman, who many have thought to be a target of Cleveland’s for about a month, would probably not be signed until after the draft, however.

The Browns could opt to take two quarterbacks with their ten draft picks depending on how everything unfolds. If they don’t then I expect Grossman to be in Cleveland come training camp.

Danario Alexander, WR - As I said earlier, at this point in free agency it is much more about adding depth or guys with high upside than finding immediate impact players. The Browns could use both depth and a guy with high upside at the wide receiver position.

Danario Alexander could certainly provide some depth and just might be able to deliver some boom for the buck as well. He is just one year removed from a season which he caught 37 passes for 658 yards and seven touchdowns.

Unfortunately he is once again recovering from knee surgery. In fact, you can’t even count all his knee surgeries on one hand at this point. The 27-year-old has had such six surgeries, but he is recovering from his first ever on his right knee.

For the right price, that being a very cheap one, Alexander could be worth a roll of the dice to bring into training camp. If he stays healthy and can contribute then the Browns would have a very solid stable of receivers. If he can’t then you cut ties before the season with no harm done.

James Harrison, OLB - If the price is right, the Browns should consider bringing in the guy who has haunted their dreams for over a decade. Outside linebacker James Harrison is 35 years old and can no longer play every down, but his fiery, infectious personality could do wonders for the Cleveland locker room.

He was also surprisingly effective for the Cincinnati Bengals in 2013.ProFootballFocus.com ranked him as the ninth-best outside linebacker overall and fourth best against the run, despite playing just 383 snaps (stats behind pay wall).

One of the biggest lessons that linebacker Barkevious Mingo needs to learn entering his second season is how to play angry. Harrison is the Mr. Miyagi of playing with a chip on your shoulder.

He is another player who would not cost much and could easily be disposed of at the end of training camp if he looks like a dinosaur. In the meantime, he would hopefully create some mean time (my apologies for the terrible pun) that could rub off on the Browns’ other outside linebackers.

Pat Angerer, ILB - Odds are that the Browns will select an inside linebacker somewhere in the first few rounds of the draft. Even so, they still need more depth.

Craig Robertson was a serious liability last season and Karlos Dansby is no spring chicken. The market for inside hitters was thin this year, but there is still one intriguing name out there.

Pat Angerer did not have the start to his career he would have liked. After being selected in the second round of the 2010 draft by theIndianapolis Colts, he battled injuries the past two seasons and now finds himself without a team.

He started just 12 games the last two seasons combined because of injuries, but in 2011 he had 76 tackles, a sack and a forced fumble. He is exactly the type of player you can snag for very little money and let him compete in camp.

He is 27 years old and made just $630,000 last season and should not command much more than that this offseason. He is looking for opportunity more than money at this point.

Terrell Thomas, CB - Another player who has battled injuries but would be an interesting addition to the Browns would be cornerback Terrell Thomas. After not playing a down for two straight seasons, Thomas bounced back and was active for all 16 games with the New York Giants in 2013.

In seven starts he recorded 65 tackles, one interception and one sack. While his numbers don’t jump off the page his versatility does.

He played both cornerback positions last season, played some nickelback and strong safety as well. The Browns do not have the deepest secondary, and he would be great competition for second-year corner Leon McFadden.

Thomas might cost a little more cash because he was productive last year, but it would put the heat on McFadden who had a very underwhelming rookie campaign in 2013.
 
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5 Available Free Agents Still Within the Cleveland Browns' Reach By Will Burge, Featured Columnist

Apr 15, 2014

Rex Grossman, QB - The Browns currently have two quarterbacks on their roster. They have Brian Hoyer who will compete for the starting job and Alex Tanney who is a leftover from an injury-riddled mess towards the end of 2013.

The reality is that the Browns need to find two new quarterbacks to fill out their team. They need one who will compete with Hoyer and another who can serve as a veteran leader for the group.

That is where Rex Grossman comes in. He spent the last few years playing under Kyle Shanahan, the Browns new offensive coordinator, in Washington. He knows the system and would be willing to wear a headset on Sundays.

Grossman, who many have thought to be a target of Clevelands for about a month, would probably not be signed until after the draft, however.

The Browns could opt to take two quarterbacks with their ten draft picks depending on how everything unfolds. If they dont then I expect Grossman to be in Cleveland come training camp.

Danario Alexander, WR - As I said earlier, at this point in free agency it is much more about adding depth or guys with high upside than finding immediate impact players. The Browns could use both depth and a guy with high upside at the wide receiver position.

Danario Alexander could certainly provide some depth and just might be able to deliver some boom for the buck as well. He is just one year removed from a season which he caught 37 passes for 658 yards and seven touchdowns.

Unfortunately he is once again recovering from knee surgery. In fact, you cant even count all his knee surgeries on one hand at this point. The 27-year-old has had such six surgeries, but he is recovering from his first ever on his right knee.

For the right price, that being a very cheap one, Alexander could be worth a roll of the dice to bring into training camp. If he stays healthy and can contribute then the Browns would have a very solid stable of receivers. If he cant then you cut ties before the season with no harm done.

James Harrison, OLB - If the price is right, the Browns should consider bringing in the guy who has haunted their dreams for over a decade. Outside linebacker James Harrison is 35 years old and can no longer play every down, but his fiery, infectious personality could do wonders for the Cleveland locker room.

He was also surprisingly effective for the Cincinnati Bengals in 2013.ProFootballFocus.com ranked him as the ninth-best outside linebacker overall and fourth best against the run, despite playing just 383 snaps (stats behind pay wall).

One of the biggest lessons that linebacker Barkevious Mingo needs to learn entering his second season is how to play angry. Harrison is the Mr. Miyagi of playing with a chip on your shoulder.

He is another player who would not cost much and could easily be disposed of at the end of training camp if he looks like a dinosaur. In the meantime, he would hopefully create some mean time (my apologies for the terrible pun) that could rub off on the Browns other outside linebackers.

Pat Angerer, ILB - Odds are that the Browns will select an inside linebacker somewhere in the first few rounds of the draft. Even so, they still need more depth.

Craig Robertson was a serious liability last season and Karlos Dansby is no spring chicken. The market for inside hitters was thin this year, but there is still one intriguing name out there.

Pat Angerer did not have the start to his career he would have liked. After being selected in the second round of the 2010 draft by theIndianapolis Colts, he battled injuries the past two seasons and now finds himself without a team.

He started just 12 games the last two seasons combined because of injuries, but in 2011 he had 76 tackles, a sack and a forced fumble. He is exactly the type of player you can snag for very little money and let him compete in camp.

He is 27 years old and made just $630,000 last season and should not command much more than that this offseason. He is looking for opportunity more than money at this point.

Terrell Thomas, CB - Another player who has battled injuries but would be an interesting addition to the Browns would be cornerback Terrell Thomas. After not playing a down for two straight seasons, Thomas bounced back and was active for all 16 games with the New York Giants in 2013.

In seven starts he recorded 65 tackles, one interception and one sack. While his numbers dont jump off the page his versatility does.

He played both cornerback positions last season, played some nickelback and strong safety as well. The Browns do not have the deepest secondary, and he would be great competition for second-year corner Leon McFadden.

Thomas might cost a little more cash because he was productive last year, but it would put the heat on McFadden who had a very underwhelming rookie campaign in 2013.
pretty much MEH on all of them, especially Harrison.
 
Number one is a necessity but I would love two and five and think four would be alright. Harrison? Nah. Wouldn't hate it though.

 
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I do not like trading up for Beckham, I know how good he could be but we have enough little receivers already.
plays big. #2 WR on my board.

i understand where you're coming from, but think he's a perfect compliment to gordon
Get me a BIG corner, instead.

Thank you.
Agree 100%. Sorry Soulfly but between this trade and the one in the previous draft, you need to stay away from this function.

 
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I do not like trading up for Beckham, I know how good he could be but we have enough little receivers already.
plays big. #2 WR on my board.

i understand where you're coming from, but think he's a perfect compliment to gordon
Get me a BIG corner, instead.

Thank you.
Agree 100%. Sorry Soulfly but between this trade and the one in the previous draft, you need to stay away from this function.
Last draft i dropped back from 4 to 7 and got Watkins

Are you ok?

 
Follow my mock draft here, and let me know what you guys think so far...

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I do not like trading up for Beckham, I know how good he could be but we have enough little receivers already.
plays big. #2 WR on my board.

i understand where you're coming from, but think he's a perfect compliment to gordon
Get me a BIG corner, instead.

Thank you.
Agree 100%. Sorry Soulfly but between this trade and the one in the previous draft, you need to stay away from this function.
Last draft i dropped back from 4 to 7 and got Watkins

Are you ok?
But you got nothing in return other than moving up in position for either 26/35, I can't remember which one.

 
So you guys wouldntbe happy with matthews, Beckham and mettenburger?

Id be pretty ####### stoked.
I would be happier with a cb like Fuller and a wr like Latimer or Robinson than just Beckham.
 
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So you guys wouldntbe happy with matthews, Beckham and mettenburger?

Id be pretty ####### stoked.
I'm fine with Matthews and Mett, but switch out Beckham for CB Fuller and I would be stoked. You can get a quality 2nd WR in the 3rd round to fit Shanny's offense. The 2nd WR is actually the 4th option in his offense. Way to high to be blowing a 1st round pick on. I'd rather have a quality 2nd CB for Pettine's defense, which dictates that the CB's are able to cover on their own on an island (as they say). Put Skrine in the slot and you can acheive this. Give the man (Pettine) what he needs.

 
I don't think the Browns should use one of their firsts on a WR especially since I don't think a Cooks or Beckham is the type of WR they need. They could see who falls to the 2nd. Matthews or Robinson will likely be there. If they want to wait until the 3rd, Moncrief might fall and that would be a big win in my opinion.

If I were the Browns I would go OT at 4, take Carr if he's there at 26, if he's not take Fuller, and then Mett.

 
So you guys wouldntbe happy with matthews, Beckham and mettenburger?
Not really, no. Mett is a statue. If they don't like anyone as a franchise QB, I'd rather they just wait until the mid rounds and take a shot on Murray, Savage, Smith, etc.. I see no point in Carr, Mett, McCarron in the late 1st/early 2nd. And I agree with whoever said trading up for a WR in this draft is insane and CB in the first 2 rounds is a must.

 
4. Cleveland - Jake Matthews, OT - Texas A&M

Love this pick but I'd be happy with, DE Jadevious Clowney, either OT Greg Robinson or Jake Mathews, or WR Sammy Watkins or OLB/DE Kahlil Mack with the 4th pick but the likely options will be either Watkins or Mathews and I really love both of those guys so I like this pick.

TRADE BETWEEN THE MIAMI DOLPHINS AND THE CLEVELAND BROWNS.

1.19 to CLE / 1.26 and 3.07 to Miami

19. Cleveland (from Miami) - Odell Beckham Jr, WR

No-one has liked this trade or the pick.

This draft if the deepest at the WR position we've seen in ages.

 

TRADE:

Carolina Panthers trade Pick 1.28 to Cleveland Browns for 2.03 and 3.19

With the 1.28 pick the Browns select Zach Mettenberger, QB

I don't like any of the QBs and I think Mett is a 3rd round pick at best. I don't see him as a good fit for a Shanahan offense where QBs have traditionally gone to a bread-and-butter roll-boot option.

Instead of ripping your picks I’ll step-up and say what I’d do instead.

At 4 my board is, DE Clowney, OT Greg Robinson, OT Jake Mathews, WR Sammy Watkins, OLB Kahlil Mack, in that order. You chose right at 4 IMHO.

At 26 I would hold my water and take whoever falls to us there. I’d go with the best CB left on the board or possibly CJ Mosely if he falls but if we go OT at 4 I’d consider WR and I think a QB falls to this pick but I honestly don‘t like these QB class.

My strategy to address QB would be to trade our 2nd round pick for a 2015 1st round pick with the intentt to get a QB in 2015.

This year I’d take a flyer on one or two mid-late round QB prospects and try to find a bargain ALA Nick Foles.

You asked and you got feedback and I agree with the guys Soufly but I don’t mind saying what I would do if it were my call.

 
What I would do and what I would like depends who they want as the qb. If I knew that I could create my dream mock, but not knowing who they want and where... :shrug: trading up for anyone with three first three picks is off the table though. If Bridgewater or Manziel slip into the teens, alright, but that's about it. I can say with near certainty I want a cb at 26 or 35 and there will be wr value at all of 26, 35, and 71, and 83. Gets diceya round 71 so if a big wr is there late second I am on board using two picks to move up and get one if we still haven't picked one.

 
Where are the glowing Mettenberger reports? If we trade up into the first (a third 1st rd pick) or use 26 on him I'm gonna have a breakdown. We can't keep ####### up those picks. I remember bringing him up months ago but my play was take a shot on him in the 3rd/4th.

I agree with some of you in that if we don't love one of Teddy/ Manziel then let's wait til mid draft to address QB. Even take a flier on a 2nd QB even later in the draft and forget about Grossman. Then still be all over the QB class next yr if need be. Assuming no trades, using two of ten picks on QB this year won't be the end of the world. Maybe one surprises.

 
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Let's say we just take a NON QB at pick 4 (which I hope we do). Say we get Watkins, Clowney, Mack, or even a tackle.......................which QBs would you guys be ok trading up for using picks 26 and 35?? Who knows what pick that would get us, but who cares, thats irrelevant. Of ANY of the QBs in this draft, which ones would you be ok dealing both of those picks for to move up to get?

Personally, I still say none, but I suppose I won't throw my beer through the TV screen if we traded up for any of the big 3 (I rank em Bortles, JF, Bridge)...........Obviously looks genius if it works and we get a top 10-15 level QB and a stud-ish WR/DL/T at pick 4.

 
Let's say we just take a NON QB at pick 4 (which I hope we do). Say we get Watkins, Clowney, Mack, or even a tackle.......................which QBs would you guys be ok trading up for using picks 26 and 35?? Who knows what pick that would get us, but who cares, thats irrelevant. Of ANY of the QBs in this draft, which ones would you be ok dealing both of those picks for to move up to get?

Personally, I still say none, but I suppose I won't throw my beer through the TV screen if we traded up for any of the big 3 (I rank em Bortles, JF, Bridge)...........Obviously looks genius if it works and we get a top 10-15 level QB and a stud-ish WR/DL/T at pick 4.
bridgewater or Manziel, I don't want my of the others until day two. I won't go nuts if we pick one at 26, but if we trade up? Irate. I still want Bridgewater at 4 and won't be upst with Manziel, but I am certainly not as optimistic as I am with Bridgewater.
 
Let's say we just take a NON QB at pick 4 (which I hope we do). Say we get Watkins, Clowney, Mack, or even a tackle.......................which QBs would you guys be ok trading up for using picks 26 and 35?? Who knows what pick that would get us, but who cares, thats irrelevant. Of ANY of the QBs in this draft, which ones would you be ok dealing both of those picks for to move up to get?

Personally, I still say none, but I suppose I won't throw my beer through the TV screen if we traded up for any of the big 3 (I rank em Bortles, JF, Bridge)...........Obviously looks genius if it works and we get a top 10-15 level QB and a stud-ish WR/DL/T at pick 4.
bridgewater or Manziel, I don't want my of the others until day two. I won't go nuts if we pick one at 26, but if we trade up? Irate. I still want Bridgewater at 4 and won't be upst with Manziel, but I am certainly not as optimistic as I am with Bridgewater.
I think one of them is going to fall into the teens. I dont see the vast separation between those guys and the next few guys that was once perceived. Honestly I didnt care all that much for Bridgewater in the couple games I watched of his.

I guess something to think about is this. If our front office likes a QB in this draft enough to deal picks 26 and 35 to move up to get, I think they would just draft him at 4.

So the more I think about this plan, the dumber it is, lol.

We could look at it the other way though. If we take a QB at 4 (god no please), who would we deal up using 26/35 to get?? Evans? A Tackle? Corner?

I dont prefer to deal up, but ultimately if we end up with two nice players out of those 3 picks it is a huge success

 
If we pick a qb at four do not trade up from 26 or 35. Pick a cb and a wr. The value will fit.
Agreed.................but which players would you like to get if they slip far enough to be able to do it.
people like Sammy and Evans that will not slip. If Lee falls to twenty or so and they want to use 26 and 71 ok but not 26 and 35.
Mathews, clowney, robinson, Mack, Watkins, Evans, Gilbert(?),

 
If we pick a qb at four do not trade up from 26 or 35. Pick a cb and a wr. The value will fit.
Agreed.................but which players would you like to get if they slip far enough to be able to do it.
people like Sammy and Evans that will not slip. If Lee falls to twenty or so and they want to use 26 and 71 ok but not 26 and 35.
Mathews, clowney, robinson, Mack, Watkins, Evans, Gilbert(?),
not Gilbert. The others wont fall.
 
Will be disappointed if they don't take the best QB available at the top of this draft (even if it means trading up). Seems like everyone I talk to wants them to wait till the 3rd or 4th rd to grab a QB like its okay to just throw anybody in there. This is why the Browns have sucked for so long. They try and gamble on these low talent QBs hoping one will pan out (Frye, McCoy, Weedon). They need to do whatever it takes to grab their franchise QB. (and not blow it like failing on RG3)

 
Will be disappointed if they don't take the best QB available at the top of this draft (even if it means trading up). Seems like everyone I talk to wants them to wait till the 3rd or 4th rd to grab a QB like its okay to just throw anybody in there. This is why the Browns have sucked for so long. They try and gamble on these low talent QBs hoping one will pan out (Frye, McCoy, Weedon). They need to do whatever it takes to grab their franchise QB. (and not blow it like failing on RG3)
Yet we have drafted mas many or more QBs in the 1st round since 1999 than any other team..

We all know QB is 10x more important than any other position...........but that is only if it is a REALLY GOOD QB. I dont buy any of these guys as that. And if one is, WHICH one, cause we cant just take a guy to take a guy

 
Will be disappointed if they don't take the best QB available at the top of this draft (even if it means trading up). Seems like everyone I talk to wants them to wait till the 3rd or 4th rd to grab a QB like its okay to just throw anybody in there. This is why the Browns have sucked for so long. They try and gamble on these low talent QBs hoping one will pan out (Frye, McCoy, Weedon). They need to do whatever it takes to grab their franchise QB. (and not blow it like failing on RG3)
Yet we have drafted mas many or more QBs in the 1st round since 1999 than any other team..

We all know QB is 10x more important than any other position...........but that is only if it is a REALLY GOOD QB. I dont buy any of these guys as that. And if one is, WHICH one, cause we cant just take a guy to take a guy
have we drafted any qb in the top twenty since Couch?
 
Will be disappointed if they don't take the best QB available at the top of this draft (even if it means trading up). Seems like everyone I talk to wants them to wait till the 3rd or 4th rd to grab a QB like its okay to just throw anybody in there. This is why the Browns have sucked for so long. They try and gamble on these low talent QBs hoping one will pan out (Frye, McCoy, Weedon). They need to do whatever it takes to grab their franchise QB. (and not blow it like failing on RG3)
Yet we have drafted mas many or more QBs in the 1st round since 1999 than any other team..

We all know QB is 10x more important than any other position...........but that is only if it is a REALLY GOOD QB. I dont buy any of these guys as that. And if one is, WHICH one, cause we cant just take a guy to take a guy
have we drafted any qb in the top twenty since Couch?
In the past, I would have been in favor of taking some of the QBs we passed on. Every draft is different. To me, this one is bad for taking a QB high

 
Why is it that Houston, with the first pick overall, and as big a need at QB as us, is likely to choose Clowney instead?

 
We haven't drafted a top rated QB since Couch. Not sure if Quinn counts since he dropped.
And look @ what the couch pick did for us. Missing there in our expansion (still pisses me off to say that) year put us back years, which our bumbling front offices since then has turned into 15 yrs of the factory of pain...

If someone like Luck was there, I'd buy and trade about what ever was needed to land a prospect like him. These guys are not close to that, and just taking "the best" available of 3 meh QBs is a recipe for more years of rebuilding pain. Late 1st or early 2nd, sure.

And FTR, I wouldn't mind Mack being the pick if he fits into Pettine's system.

 
still convinces it's one of robinson, matthews or watkins.

I wont change unless I hear otherwise
best play to me is one of the tackles. IF they like a QB take him at 1.26 or trade up a few spots.

take a WR in the 2nd or 3rd.

spend the rest of the picks on defense.

 
Why is it that Houston, with the first pick overall, and as big a need at QB as us, is likely to choose Clowney instead?
Because Clowney may be the best prospect, at any position, in a decade.
that and maybe they are just trying to get someone to trade up.

They aren't "likely" to do anything. Only their front office knows what they are really thinking.
Clowney's the pick. No doubt about it in my mind.

 
No doubt, 100% eh?? lol, kinda silly, but ok.

I mean, I think he is probably the favorite to be the #1, but I think Houston would be happier if someone traded up.

 
We haven't drafted a top rated QB since Couch. Not sure if Quinn counts since he dropped.
And look @ what the couch pick did for us. Missing there in our expansion (still pisses me off to say that) year put us back years, which our bumbling front offices since then has turned into 15 yrs of the factory of pain...

If someone like Luck was there, I'd buy and trade about what ever was needed to land a prospect like him. These guys are not close to that, and just taking "the best" available of 3 meh QBs is a recipe for more years of rebuilding pain. Late 1st or early 2nd, sure.

And FTR, I wouldn't mind Mack being the pick if he fits into Pettine's system.
couch had nothing around him, same won't be true for our week one guy this year.
 
We haven't drafted a top rated QB since Couch. Not sure if Quinn counts since he dropped.
And look @ what the couch pick did for us. Missing there in our expansion (still pisses me off to say that) year put us back years, which our bumbling front offices since then has turned into 15 yrs of the factory of pain...

If someone like Luck was there, I'd buy and trade about what ever was needed to land a prospect like him. These guys are not close to that, and just taking "the best" available of 3 meh QBs is a recipe for more years of rebuilding pain. Late 1st or early 2nd, sure.

And FTR, I wouldn't mind Mack being the pick if he fits into Pettine's system.
couch had nothing around him, same won't be true for our week one guy this year.
I didnt follow football nearly as much as I do now back in 1999, but I remember BADLY wanting them to trade down.

We had the #1 pick in the draft two years in a row, and when you have the most poorly constructed expansion team ever, trade down and get a lot of good picks.

That and I didnt think Couch was some special prospect.

 
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MAC_32 said:
thecardiackid said:
Menace said:
We haven't drafted a top rated QB since Couch. Not sure if Quinn counts since he dropped.
And look @ what the couch pick did for us. Missing there in our expansion (still pisses me off to say that) year put us back years, which our bumbling front offices since then has turned into 15 yrs of the factory of pain...

If someone like Luck was there, I'd buy and trade about what ever was needed to land a prospect like him. These guys are not close to that, and just taking "the best" available of 3 meh QBs is a recipe for more years of rebuilding pain. Late 1st or early 2nd, sure.

And FTR, I wouldn't mind Mack being the pick if he fits into Pettine's system.
couch had nothing around him,
And still got them to the playoffs in year 4. Not sure how that = bust or setting the franchise back years but whatever.

 
and it is factory of SADNESS

not factory of pain

when quoting that genius accuracy is important
maybe my personal sadness has escalated to pain... it's hard to tell

here's a link to a conversation re: the browns qbs / draft

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/04/21/browns-beat-qb-workouts-galore-organization-tight-lipped/

Browns Beat: 92.3′s Daryl Ruiter joined Baskin & Phelps to discuss the latest team news and rumors post Johnny Manziel’s workout, meetings reportedly coming up this week, a deeper look at QB’s gaining stock, and more.

 

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