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***2014 Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (1 Viewer)
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Good list of candidates. My top four would be same as Eephus.
After the letdown this year, next year should be a good year for the HOF. Maddux might challenge Seaver's record for votes (I'm guessing one or two people won't vote for him, even though I can't think of any reason not to). Thomas and Biggio have a solid shot of going in too.
After the letdown this year, next year should be a good year for the HOF. Maddux might challenge Seaver's record for votes (I'm guessing one or two people won't vote for him, even though I can't think of any reason not to). Thomas and Biggio have a solid shot of going in too.
dparker713
Footballguy
Pitchers use PEDs too bub.
And how does a guy that was suspended for conduct detrimental twice even get on the ballot?
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
The person on that list with the biggest impact on the sport is Marvin Miller by a mile. He's gotta go in.
La Russa won a bunch of games and fundamentally changed how games are managed. Whether the introduction if multiple pitching changes in an inning is a net positive for the sport or not is debatable, but it's part of the game now.
Torre and Cox never struck me as great strategists, just caretakers of well-run franchises with deep pockets. I suppose the combo of Torre the player plus his managerial success is worthy of enshrinement.
Put me down for Miller, LaRussa, and Torre in that order.
La Russa won a bunch of games and fundamentally changed how games are managed. Whether the introduction if multiple pitching changes in an inning is a net positive for the sport or not is debatable, but it's part of the game now.
Torre and Cox never struck me as great strategists, just caretakers of well-run franchises with deep pockets. I suppose the combo of Torre the player plus his managerial success is worthy of enshrinement.
Put me down for Miller, LaRussa, and Torre in that order.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
dparker713
Footballguy
There's this function, a new fanged thing really. It allows for you to post a link, i.e. a hyperlink, to the page where you found that post. I get its confusing for some, but I'm sure with some time and hard work you'll figure out how to not blatantly steal the work of others.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'll never look at a Raider Nation post the same again.
Eephus
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'll continue to look at dpark posts the same as always.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
dparker713
Footballguy
I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Tough ####.I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
HTHU2
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
You do realize that Eephus' first post in this thread is done in the same exact fashion as RN's, don't you?I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
so why aren't you being a ###### about that post too?
Bogart
Footballguy
It's not cool to pick on the elderly.Limp Ditka said:You do realize that Eephus' first post in this thread is done in the same exact fashion as RN's, don't you?dparker713 said:I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.Raider Nation said:
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
so why aren't you being a ###### about that post too?
Eephus
Footballguy
It's not cool to pick on the elderly.Limp Ditka said:You do realize that Eephus' first post in this thread is done in the same exact fashion as RN's, don't you?dparker713 said:I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.Raider Nation said:
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
so why aren't you being a ###### about that post too?
I have a note from my doctor
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This one's gonna blow his mind.Limp Ditka said:You do realize that Eephus' first post in this thread is done in the same exact fashion as RN's, don't you?dparker713 said:I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.Raider Nation said:
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
so why aren't you being a ###### about that post too?
Current odds:
- He apologizes to me... +290
- He scolds Eephus... +160
- He ignores this completely... -450
Koya
Footballguy
The "owners" of this site haven't been paying attention for a year or so now. It's all good.dparker713 said:I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.Raider Nation said:
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I think the rules are: (1) don't post about a certain former NHL GM, (2) don't post about the Pac-10, and (3) don't post about anniversaries involving Aaron Boone.
Bogart
Footballguy
I doubt Joe has ever even looked in The Baseball Forum. It's beneath him.The "owners" of this site haven't been paying attention for a year or so now. It's all good.dparker713 said:I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.Raider Nation said:
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
Bogart
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
I'm curious. Why exactly is apologizing to you even on the board? Its not like I'm the one violating the law. (See 17 U.S.C. 501) And if apologizing were an actual option the odds are way too low.This one's gonna blow his mind.Limp Ditka said:You do realize that Eephus' first post in this thread is done in the same exact fashion as RN's, don't you?dparker713 said:I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.Raider Nation said:
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
so why aren't you being a ###### about that post too?
Current odds:
- He apologizes to me... +290
- He scolds Eephus... +160
- He ignores this completely... -450
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Looking back, 'Continue to be a penis' not being an option was a glaring omission.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Although "violating the law" was good shtick.
Hopefully I get out by the time the Raiders are in the Super Bowl again.
Hopefully I get out by the time the Raiders are in the Super Bowl again.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I assume that you immediately read that statute. Please summarize for us. TIA.Although "violating the law" was good shtick.
Hopefully I get out by the time the Raiders are in the Super Bowl again.
I'm glad that Whitey Herzog is alive, especially if he's going to be on the committee. I honestly thought he was dead, but I now he see that he recovered from his head trauma.
and forgive my ignorance, but is this a new committee/voting procedure? An adjunct to the regular voting, like the veterans' committee?
Koya
Footballguy
Truer words may never have been spoken.I doubt Joe has ever even looked in The Baseball Forum. It's beneath him.The "owners" of this site haven't been paying attention for a year or so now. It's all good.I could give a #### about the author. But seeing as this board has been a free service I've enjoyed for 15 or so years, I'd prefer the owners to not get screwed because of your laziness. HTH.
What an odd thing to get upset about. I don't feel like copying two different things, so it's either the text or the link. I assumed that most people would prefer the ease of reading something on the page they're already on, rather than clicking an external link.
And if you want to find the author so badly, copy and paste the first sentence into the Google search box.
Eephus
Footballguy
Good article about Barry Bonds today. It doesn't seem to be part of any orchestrated image rehabilitation campaign because Bonds' refused to be interviewed for it, but the writer (Gwen Knapp) has covered Bonds extensively and has excellent Giants sources.
oso diablo
Footballguy
Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Glavine, Maddux, McGwire, Mussina, Piazza, Raines, Thomas, Trammell. Yes, i know that's 12.
Just Win Baby
Footballguy
This nicely illustrates two problems with the baseball HOF. First, almost none of the players on the first list deserve to be in the HOF. Second, this illustrates the prevailing mentality that the way to determine if a player is deserving is to try to find someone already in the HOF to whom he reasonably compares... but this just compounds mistakes by using undeserving HOFers to justify adding more undeserving HOFers.
ETA: And guys like Olney are part of the problem. There aren't close to 16 HOF worthy players on this year's ballot.
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Just Win Baby
Footballguy
IMO the baseball HOF is far too watered down and should have at most only 60-70% of its current members. That said, this is a very strong group. These guys are nobrainers:
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
Thomas
And these guys should be nobrainers, regardless of PED use:
Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Sosa
So I'd vote for those 8 players.
I might also vote for Martinez, but I'm torn on whether or not to vote for a full time DH. His offensive numbers are certainly HOF caliber.
I don't think this is a year when bubble guys like Kent, McGriff, Mussina, Trammell, Walker, et al. have much of a chance of getting in. Too many clearly better players on the ballot.
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
Thomas
And these guys should be nobrainers, regardless of PED use:
Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Sosa
So I'd vote for those 8 players.
I might also vote for Martinez, but I'm torn on whether or not to vote for a full time DH. His offensive numbers are certainly HOF caliber.
I don't think this is a year when bubble guys like Kent, McGriff, Mussina, Trammell, Walker, et al. have much of a chance of getting in. Too many clearly better players on the ballot.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Gehringer, Frisch, Collins, Sandberg, Gordon, Robinson...maybe Doerr... If Cano isn't past Kent already he will be in a couple years.
dparker713
Footballguy
Why will people not vote for Edgar because he was primarily a DH, but no one even mentions how much time Thomas spent at DH.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I would assume because Thomas has such better numbers overall. Thomas's batting while playing First base is close to what Martinez did at DH. Then he tacked on the same numbers (lower BA, to be fair) as a DH. Thomas was one of the most feared hitters in the league for several years, whereas Martinez really never was. Thomas also won 2 MVPs, in case you didn't notice. And had 7 other top 10 finishes in MVP voting. Edgar was in the top 10 twice.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
shadyridr could be in and out in under 45 minutes.
I disagree with small hall advocates. Inducting Deacon White into the hall doesn't diminish the accomplishments of Johnny Bench or Bill Dickey one bit. It merely honors White as a great player in his era (1871-90) and a pioneer of the game. 45 career WAR is a lot more impressive when you consider teams were playing ~80 game seasons for much of his career.
Eephus
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Glavine, Maddux, Piazza, Thomas
I know most of those guys are considered steroid guys and wont get in but i think thats who deserves in. My predicition for actual results is biggio, glavine, maddux, piazza, thomas
I also think mussina and kent deserve to get in eventually. And cox, larussa, and torre probably also deserve to get in sooner or later.
I know most of those guys are considered steroid guys and wont get in but i think thats who deserves in. My predicition for actual results is biggio, glavine, maddux, piazza, thomas
I also think mussina and kent deserve to get in eventually. And cox, larussa, and torre probably also deserve to get in sooner or later.
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