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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (4 Viewers)

As A Bengals fan my whole feeling about this game changed when the Browns decided to start him - I became 100% optimistic. Hoyer is no great shakes but he played really well in that game against us. I really don't understand the change from that standpoint.

-QG

 
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?

 
Todem said:
I think veterans on this team must have been extremely upset they made the change at QB. They got to this point with Hoyer leading them. I can't imagine that locker room after that 30-0 drubbing at home.
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Hoyer was awful for several games. The games they won were largely in spite of him. They would've beaten the Colts last week had they gotten competent QB play from Hoyer. Manziel was pathetic yesterday but that doesn't change the fact Hoyer played his way right out of the starting job.

 
Dizzy said:
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?
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I am not saying Hoyer was anything great. In fact he was below average before he got benched. But he had this team behind him. The HC knows the pulse of the team (unless your Joe Philbin) and I gotta believe he waned to stick with Hoyer this season till the end. Pressure came from above. No doubt in my mind about that.

But now the Browns are out. And they can get a feel if they have a legit QB of the future. The next two games will shed some..but not all the light on that. I never felt Johnny was a first round, second round nor third round pick. 4th round at best. he just does not have the physical tools needed in today's NFL. maybe he can add some bulk....but he looks like he will get killed. Pat White like. He looks like a high school kid out there. It's scary.

 
packersfan said:
Todem said:
I think veterans on this team must have been extremely upset they made the change at QB. They got to this point with Hoyer leading them. I can't imagine that locker room after that 30-0 drubbing at home.
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Hoyer was awful for several games. The games they won were largely in spite of him. They would've beaten the Colts last week had they gotten competent QB play from Hoyer. Manziel was pathetic yesterday but that doesn't change the fact Hoyer played his way right out of the starting job.
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I get that. I just think they don't have other options....as evidenced by yesterdays dreadful performance. I think they knew this (coaching staff) but got pressure from above. So you have to do what the guys who pay you say. I get it. I still think the players did not like the decision though. That is my main point.

If Manziel comes out next week and light's it up. Awesome for the Browns.

 
Todem said:
packersfan said:
Todem said:
I think veterans on this team must have been extremely upset they made the change at QB. They got to this point with Hoyer leading them. I can't imagine that locker room after that 30-0 drubbing at home.
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Hoyer was awful for several games. The games they won were largely in spite of him. They would've beaten the Colts last week had they gotten competent QB play from Hoyer. Manziel was pathetic yesterday but that doesn't change the fact Hoyer played his way right out of the starting job.
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I get that. I just think they don't have other options....as evidenced by yesterdays dreadful performance. I think they knew this (coaching staff) but got pressure from above. So you have to do what the guys who pay you say. I get it. I still think the players did not like the decision though. That is my main point.

If Manziel comes out next week and light's it up. Awesome for the Browns.
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I don't think the team had any choice. Hoyer stunk and Manziel's a first-round pick. They had to give him a shot. If he was stinking it up that badly at practice you'd think someone would've leaked that but I don't recall seeing any stories like that last week. It's possible some/many/all the players knew Manziel would struggle but I'm not sure any of them thought it would be the total train wreck it was.

 
Dizzy said:
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?
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It definitely does matter. Especially if Manziel looked this awful in practice. The players and coaches know if a guy is ready or not. This move clearly came from the owner's box. Pettine had stuck with Hoyer this entire time because he knew Manziel wasn't ready.

The Browns have shown they don't mind cutting their losses on a player if they think he can't get it done. I even suggested they trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd round pick just a couple pages ago. There's no way I'd do that now after watching him in this game. They basically tanked any trade value he might have had by starting him.

 
Todem said:
I think veterans on this team must have been extremely upset they made the change at QB. They got to this point with Hoyer leading them. I can't imagine that locker room after that 30-0 drubbing at home.

A great way for the HC to lose his team. I think the moment he announced Manziel as the starter he lost that locker room. The next two weeks will either confirm that or they turn it around and this over matched kid shows something. But he looks totally over matched and in way over his head. He does not pass the sniff test so far as being a legit NFL QB.
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hoyer had like one of the worst 5 games stretches of all time. he threw 1 td and 8 ints on less than 50% passing. he had every chance to show he could lead this team and he failed miserably. if the veterans actually quit on the team, then that is completely on them. why cater to the veterans on this team anyway? these guys have been nfl losers for their entire career. the browns have been a talent starved dysfunctional franchise with these veterans for years.

 
cvnpoka said:
Todem said:
I think veterans on this team must have been extremely upset they made the change at QB. They got to this point with Hoyer leading them. I can't imagine that locker room after that 30-0 drubbing at home.

A great way for the HC to lose his team. I think the moment he announced Manziel as the starter he lost that locker room. The next two weeks will either confirm that or they turn it around and this over matched kid shows something. But he looks totally over matched and in way over his head. He does not pass the sniff test so far as being a legit NFL QB.
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hoyer had like one of the worst 5 games stretches of all time. he threw 1 td and 8 ints on less than 50% passing. he had every chance to show he could lead this team and he failed miserably. if the veterans actually quit on the team, then that is completely on them. why cater to the veterans on this team anyway? these guys have been nfl losers for their entire career. the browns have been a talent starved dysfunctional franchise with these veterans for years.
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:goodposting:

I saw a lot of quitters out there.

 
matuski said:
cvnpoka said:
Todem said:
I think veterans on this team must have been extremely upset they made the change at QB. They got to this point with Hoyer leading them. I can't imagine that locker room after that 30-0 drubbing at home.

A great way for the HC to lose his team. I think the moment he announced Manziel as the starter he lost that locker room. The next two weeks will either confirm that or they turn it around and this over matched kid shows something. But he looks totally over matched and in way over his head. He does not pass the sniff test so far as being a legit NFL QB.
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hoyer had like one of the worst 5 games stretches of all time. he threw 1 td and 8 ints on less than 50% passing. he had every chance to show he could lead this team and he failed miserably. if the veterans actually quit on the team, then that is completely on them. why cater to the veterans on this team anyway? these guys have been nfl losers for their entire career. the browns have been a talent starved dysfunctional franchise with these veterans for years.
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:goodposting:

I saw a lot of quitters out there.
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Bravo cvnpoka. Well said.

 
What happened to all of the Russell Wilson - Manziel comparisons???? :topcat: :coffee:

I mean, Johnny Football even has an inch or two over Wilson..... :stalker:

 
On why he thinks Manziel gives the Browns the best chance to win in the last two weeks of the season: “That we know we’ll get better. A big part of it too is, as we’ve said all along, we have to play better around him. The unfortunate thing of yesterday, we had some guys that played well, but the mistakes they made were at critical times. We had guys that graded out high and maybe made three or four mistakes. Well, those mistakes were on a third down. They were on a goal line play. They were in the red zone. They were on a critical, like I said, a critical third down or a critical point in the game. That’s unfortunate because hidden within yesterday were some pretty good performances. Johnny showed some flashes of what he’s capable of, and we had some chances to turn those plays into some real positive ones. The one that ‘Hawk’ (WR Andrew Hawkins) got hit on and ultimately dropped it on the third down. (TE) Jim Dray mistimed a jump a little bit. I thought those were both plays where he showed his escape ability and made a good throw. It’s just across the board. We have to find a way. We’ve lost something, and we need to take this week and find it.”
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On if he genuinely believes that Manziel gives the Browns the best chance to win this week or if it’s just more important to evaluate him over the last two games: “We’re going to move forward with him as our quarterback. We feel he gives is an opportunity to win, but I think we’re hanging too much on the quarterback position. We haven’t played well enough around him, and it showed. I think we could have played Brian Sipe at quarterback yesterday, and I don’t think the outcome would have been much different.”
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http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-browns/cleveland-browns-1.270107/here-s-what-coach-mike-pettine-is-saying-about-the-browns-today-1.550026

 
Brian Sipe's first start:

16/23/186/1/1 passing; 2 TDs rushing, scored 35 points, had 20 first downs in a 1 point loss.

He was a 13th round draft pick. Vs Dan Fouts.

So, no, coach, bad comparison.

 
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Dizzy said:
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?
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It definitely does matter. Especially if Manziel looked this awful in practice. The players and coaches know if a guy is ready or not. This move clearly came from the owner's box. Pettine had stuck with Hoyer this entire time because he knew Manziel wasn't ready.

The Browns have shown they don't mind cutting their losses on a player if they think he can't get it done. I even suggested they trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd round pick just a couple pages ago. There's no way I'd do that now after watching him in this game. They basically tanked any trade value he might have had by starting him.
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Well said and that's the bottom Line for the "they should have started him" crowd

 
MAC_32 said:
This they should have started Hoyer narrative some of you guys are trying to push, it needs to stop.
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Yup. How quick people forget what Hoyer was as the starter the past few weeks. So, JF turned out to be even worse for a game. They still had to start him. They now have to roll with him and hope he improves. I've never been a JF fan, but this Hoyer should have stared narrative is ridiculous. Had they started Hoyer maybe the lose 30-10 or 30-13. They still lose.

 
I cannot believe anyone would defend him. He does not have an NFL arm, he does not put the work in that is needed to be an NFL qb and his head isn't worthbtwo bits. He will be a bust. I can't believe all the hype draft day that he could be a top five pick. That would have been leaf type bust.

 
Grahamburn said:
Dizzy said:
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?
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It definitely does matter. Especially if Manziel looked this awful in practice. The players and coaches know if a guy is ready or not. This move clearly came from the owner's box. Pettine had stuck with Hoyer this entire time because he knew Manziel wasn't ready.

The Browns have shown they don't mind cutting their losses on a player if they think he can't get it done. I even suggested they trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd round pick just a couple pages ago. There's no way I'd do that now after watching him in this game. They basically tanked any trade value he might have had by starting him.
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Sad commentary on life as a Brown's fan.

Did you really suggest that they trade him? Did you contact the Browns about this? Dude, you blew it... you killed the Browns. :doh:

 
jurb26 said:
MAC_32 said:
This they should have started Hoyer narrative some of you guys are trying to push, it needs to stop.
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Yup. How quick people forget what Hoyer was as the starter the past few weeks. So, JF turned out to be even worse for a game. They still had to start him. They now have to roll with him and hope he improves.I've never been a JF fan, but this Hoyer should have stared narrative is ridiculous. Had they started Hoyer maybe the lose 30-10 or 30-13. They still lose.
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Was he even worse than Hoyer has been? 1A and 1B of suckdom.

That said, I expect better this week. Things snowballed and killed him rigth from the start with two drops and the D sucking.

Don't get me wrong, he still sucked, but any "spark" was extinquished immediately.

 
Godsbrother said:
DocHolliday said:
It looked rough but the Browns have to see what they have in him. The next 2 weeks are going to be entertaining for everyone but the Browns and their fans.
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Disagree. You don't do that until you are out of the playoffs. The Browns would be right in the thick of it with a win yesterday. Playing Manziel made that an impossibility. I would be pissed if I were a Browns fan.
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The Browns were in a no-win situation. Hoyer was not playing well and there had to be a ton of pressure from above to play their savior. I never got the hype for Manziel and was just thankful that my team passed on him. Manziel does not seem like he can play in a system. Running around and throwing the ball up like your in the backyard is not going to work in the NFL. I highly doubt Johnny is going to turn things around but it was only one game.

The worst sign for the Browns is that the entire team must have known that Manziel is awful. The team never showed up. That D laid down. Cleveland has bigger issues than just Manziel. The team is lost and they do not have a QB still. Hoyer and Manziel are not the answer.

 
Tackling Dummies said:
LittlePhatty said:
Faust said:
Merril Hoge: Whoever drafted Johnny Manziel should be firedhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24891669/merril-hoge-whoever-drafted-johnny-manziel-should-be-fired
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Manziel is bad, but Whatever Hoge says isn't "news". He just caters to Steelers fans who hate the Browns.
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Just me, but I'm thinking that the Browns are down on the list of teams that a Steeler fan would hate.
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Maybe I should have said "make fun of" instead of hate.

They hate the "old Browns" (Ravens).

 
Dizzy said:
Grahamburn said:
Dizzy said:
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?
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It definitely does matter. Especially if Manziel looked this awful in practice. The players and coaches know if a guy is ready or not. This move clearly came from the owner's box. Pettine had stuck with Hoyer this entire time because he knew Manziel wasn't ready.

The Browns have shown they don't mind cutting their losses on a player if they think he can't get it done. I even suggested they trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd round pick just a couple pages ago. There's no way I'd do that now after watching him in this game. They basically tanked any trade value he might have had by starting him.
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Sad commentary on life as a Brown's fan.

Did you really suggest that they trade him? Did you contact the Browns about this? Dude, you blew it... you killed the Browns. :doh:
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I'm a Bucs' fan. I made the post, which was kind of tongue in cheek, after Manziel's most recent indiscretion of being "late." If Manziel looked like he did on Sunday in practice the Browns knew what they invested in. I can't imagine he was lighting it up in practice or he would have been the starter several weeks ago. My point was they could have flipped him to an unsuspecting team who didn't have any NFL tape on him yet and sold it as a "we can't deal with him anymore" while knowing the guy can't get it done.

They're basically stuck with him now. Hyped fan favorite who can't play.

 
Tackling Dummies said:
LittlePhatty said:
Faust said:
Merril Hoge: Whoever drafted Johnny Manziel should be fired

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24891669/merril-hoge-whoever-drafted-johnny-manziel-should-be-fired
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Manziel is bad, but Whatever Hoge says isn't "news". He just caters to Steelers fans who hate the Browns.
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Just me, but I'm thinking that the Browns are down on the list of teams that a Steeler fan would hate.
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It's true. No hard feelings towards the Browns organization. Now, the cities of Cleveland and Pittsburgh may hate each other.

As far as Hoge goes... he's kind of a joke. Got a few miles of his "factor back" schtick, but after that... pffffffftt!

 
Grahamburn said:
Dizzy said:
Grahamburn said:
Dizzy said:
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?
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It definitely does matter. Especially if Manziel looked this awful in practice. The players and coaches know if a guy is ready or not. This move clearly came from the owner's box. Pettine had stuck with Hoyer this entire time because he knew Manziel wasn't ready.

The Browns have shown they don't mind cutting their losses on a player if they think he can't get it done. I even suggested they trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd round pick just a couple pages ago. There's no way I'd do that now after watching him in this game. They basically tanked any trade value he might have had by starting him.
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Sad commentary on life as a Brown's fan.

Did you really suggest that they trade him? Did you contact the Browns about this? Dude, you blew it... you killed the Browns. :doh:
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I'm a Bucs' fan. I made the post, which was kind of tongue in cheek, after Manziel's most recent indiscretion of being "late." If Manziel looked like he did on Sunday in practice the Browns knew what they invested in. I can't imagine he was lighting it up in practice or he would have been the starter several weeks ago. My point was they could have flipped him to an unsuspecting team who didn't have any NFL tape on him yet and sold it as a "we can't deal with him anymore" while knowing the guy can't get it done.

They're basically stuck with him now. Hyped fan favorite who can't play.
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CLE knew that from the jump, this is not a surprise. He's not a pocket QB and the recent run option gimmick was figured out and would get him planted. They can slide the pocket, but it's lipstick on a pig and he's still no better. That INT where he heaved it towards the end zone was a dumpster fire.

 
Grahamburn said:
Dizzy said:
Grahamburn said:
Dizzy said:
Todem said:
Agreed. I am very curious what conversation took place that led to this decision. Ownership/GM pressure? That is the only thing I can think of. I was sure he would not sniff the field the way the team was playing...despite the bump in the road they recently hit. Hoyer had that team behind him.

Manziel does not.
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They were losing with Hoyer. He was terrible... awful... and getting worse. It was mentioned on one of the sportstalk shows (morning show out of DC) that his QB rating had dropped below that of Geno Smith. Once they lost to Indy they were cooked. Play-off teams typically starting winning to close the season.

I said it before, does it really matter if they lose 30-0 with Manziel, or 30-10 (assuming a defensive score) with Hoyer?
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It definitely does matter. Especially if Manziel looked this awful in practice. The players and coaches know if a guy is ready or not. This move clearly came from the owner's box. Pettine had stuck with Hoyer this entire time because he knew Manziel wasn't ready.

The Browns have shown they don't mind cutting their losses on a player if they think he can't get it done. I even suggested they trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd round pick just a couple pages ago. There's no way I'd do that now after watching him in this game. They basically tanked any trade value he might have had by starting him.
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Sad commentary on life as a Brown's fan.

Did you really suggest that they trade him? Did you contact the Browns about this? Dude, you blew it... you killed the Browns. :doh:
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I'm a Bucs' fan. I made the post, which was kind of tongue in cheek, after Manziel's most recent indiscretion of being "late." If Manziel looked like he did on Sunday in practice the Browns knew what they invested in. I can't imagine he was lighting it up in practice or he would have been the starter several weeks ago. My point was they could have flipped him to an unsuspecting team who didn't have any NFL tape on him yet and sold it as a "we can't deal with him anymore" while knowing the guy can't get it done.

They're basically stuck with him now. Hyped fan favorite who can't play.
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Trading him would've been a long shot. NFL teams are not comprised of idiots. Oh wait...

 
DocHolliday said:
Godsbrother said:
DocHolliday said:
It looked rough but the Browns have to see what they have in him. The next 2 weeks are going to be entertaining for everyone but the Browns and their fans.
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Disagree. You don't do that until you are out of the playoffs. The Browns would be right in the thick of it with a win yesterday. Playing Manziel made that an impossibility. I would be pissed if I were a Browns fan.
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The Browns were in a no-win situation. Hoyer was not playing well and there had to be a ton of pressure from above to play their savior. I never got the hype for Manziel and was just thankful that my team passed on him. Manziel does not seem like he can play in a system. Running around and throwing the ball up like your in the backyard is not going to work in the NFL. I highly doubt Johnny is going to turn things around but it was only one game.

The worst sign for the Browns is that the entire team must have known that Manziel is awful. The team never showed up. That D laid down. Cleveland has bigger issues than just Manziel. The team is lost and they do not have a QB still. Hoyer and Manziel are not the answer.
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Correct. My point is that team laid down behind a guy they don't believe in. At least when Hoyer was in there (and again he is sub par) they played hard for him almost the entire season (every team has some stinkers) and he had command of his huddle and the players behind him. It's a locker room thing.

The Browns are the Browns. But they had a smidgen of a shot. They threw it all out the window trotting out that little punk who will be out of the league in a few years...or scrambling for a third string job. He better invest his money well. He is a fraud in the NFL as a QB. Total fraud.

 
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Todem said:
DocHolliday said:
Godsbrother said:
DocHolliday said:
It looked rough but the Browns have to see what they have in him. The next 2 weeks are going to be entertaining for everyone but the Browns and their fans.
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Disagree. You don't do that until you are out of the playoffs. The Browns would be right in the thick of it with a win yesterday. Playing Manziel made that an impossibility. I would be pissed if I were a Browns fan.
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The Browns were in a no-win situation. Hoyer was not playing well and there had to be a ton of pressure from above to play their savior. I never got the hype for Manziel and was just thankful that my team passed on him. Manziel does not seem like he can play in a system. Running around and throwing the ball up like your in the backyard is not going to work in the NFL. I highly doubt Johnny is going to turn things around but it was only one game. The worst sign for the Browns is that the entire team must have known that Manziel is awful. The team never showed up. That D laid down. Cleveland has bigger issues than just Manziel. The team is lost and they do not have a QB still. Hoyer and Manziel are not the answer.
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Correct. My point is that team laid down behind a guy they don't believe in. At least when Hoyer was in there (and again he is sub par) they played hard for him almost the entire season (every team has some stinkers) and he had command of his huddle and the players behind him. It's a locker room thing.The Browns are the Browns. But they had a smidgen of a shot. They threw it all out the window trotting out that little punk who will be out of the league in a few years...or scrambling for a third string job. He better invest his money well. He is a fraud in the NFL as a QB. Total fraud.
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Jesus.

:lmao:

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Todem said:
DocHolliday said:
Godsbrother said:
DocHolliday said:
It looked rough but the Browns have to see what they have in him. The next 2 weeks are going to be entertaining for everyone but the Browns and their fans.
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Disagree. You don't do that until you are out of the playoffs. The Browns would be right in the thick of it with a win yesterday. Playing Manziel made that an impossibility. I would be pissed if I were a Browns fan.
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The Browns were in a no-win situation. Hoyer was not playing well and there had to be a ton of pressure from above to play their savior. I never got the hype for Manziel and was just thankful that my team passed on him. Manziel does not seem like he can play in a system. Running around and throwing the ball up like your in the backyard is not going to work in the NFL. I highly doubt Johnny is going to turn things around but it was only one game. The worst sign for the Browns is that the entire team must have known that Manziel is awful. The team never showed up. That D laid down. Cleveland has bigger issues than just Manziel. The team is lost and they do not have a QB still. Hoyer and Manziel are not the answer.
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Correct. My point is that team laid down behind a guy they don't believe in. At least when Hoyer was in there (and again he is sub par) they played hard for him almost the entire season (every team has some stinkers) and he had command of his huddle and the players behind him. It's a locker room thing.The Browns are the Browns. But they had a smidgen of a shot. They threw it all out the window trotting out that little punk who will be out of the league in a few years...or scrambling for a third string job. He better invest his money well. He is a fraud in the NFL as a QB. Total fraud.
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Jesus.

:lmao:
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LOL...he stinks give me a break. Kid will get destroyed in this league. He will not hold up.

He is a child out there playing against giants. It will be a short lived career.

 
Todem said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Todem said:
DocHolliday said:
Godsbrother said:
DocHolliday said:
It looked rough but the Browns have to see what they have in him. The next 2 weeks are going to be entertaining for everyone but the Browns and their fans.
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Disagree. You don't do that until you are out of the playoffs. The Browns would be right in the thick of it with a win yesterday. Playing Manziel made that an impossibility. I would be pissed if I were a Browns fan.
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The Browns were in a no-win situation. Hoyer was not playing well and there had to be a ton of pressure from above to play their savior. I never got the hype for Manziel and was just thankful that my team passed on him. Manziel does not seem like he can play in a system. Running around and throwing the ball up like your in the backyard is not going to work in the NFL. I highly doubt Johnny is going to turn things around but it was only one game. The worst sign for the Browns is that the entire team must have known that Manziel is awful. The team never showed up. That D laid down. Cleveland has bigger issues than just Manziel. The team is lost and they do not have a QB still. Hoyer and Manziel are not the answer.
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Correct. My point is that team laid down behind a guy they don't believe in. At least when Hoyer was in there (and again he is sub par) they played hard for him almost the entire season (every team has some stinkers) and he had command of his huddle and the players behind him. It's a locker room thing.The Browns are the Browns. But they had a smidgen of a shot. They threw it all out the window trotting out that little punk who will be out of the league in a few years...or scrambling for a third string job. He better invest his money well. He is a fraud in the NFL as a QB. Total fraud.
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Jesus. :lmao:
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LOL...he stinks give me a break. Kid will get destroyed in this league. He will not hold up.He is a child out there playing against giants. It will be a short lived career.
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Somehow I can't help but think this has something to do with LeBron going back to Cleveland. Get over it bro.
 
Peyton Marino said:
Todem said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Todem said:
DocHolliday said:
Godsbrother said:
DocHolliday said:
It looked rough but the Browns have to see what they have in him. The next 2 weeks are going to be entertaining for everyone but the Browns and their fans.
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Disagree. You don't do that until you are out of the playoffs. The Browns would be right in the thick of it with a win yesterday. Playing Manziel made that an impossibility. I would be pissed if I were a Browns fan.
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The Browns were in a no-win situation. Hoyer was not playing well and there had to be a ton of pressure from above to play their savior. I never got the hype for Manziel and was just thankful that my team passed on him. Manziel does not seem like he can play in a system. Running around and throwing the ball up like your in the backyard is not going to work in the NFL. I highly doubt Johnny is going to turn things around but it was only one game. The worst sign for the Browns is that the entire team must have known that Manziel is awful. The team never showed up. That D laid down. Cleveland has bigger issues than just Manziel. The team is lost and they do not have a QB still. Hoyer and Manziel are not the answer.
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Correct. My point is that team laid down behind a guy they don't believe in. At least when Hoyer was in there (and again he is sub par) they played hard for him almost the entire season (every team has some stinkers) and he had command of his huddle and the players behind him. It's a locker room thing.The Browns are the Browns. But they had a smidgen of a shot. They threw it all out the window trotting out that little punk who will be out of the league in a few years...or scrambling for a third string job. He better invest his money well. He is a fraud in the NFL as a QB. Total fraud.
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Jesus. :lmao:
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LOL...he stinks give me a break. Kid will get destroyed in this league. He will not hold up.He is a child out there playing against giants. It will be a short lived career.
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Somehow I can't help but think this has something to do with LeBron going back to Cleveland. Get over it bro.
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that doesnt even make any sense

 
WTF does Johhny Football have to do with Lebron.....and I got over that a long time ago.

He stinks. Realize you wasted a 1st rounder on a dud now so you can look for another QB. He is not ever going to lead this or any other team to a Super Bowl.

If he does....I will eat all the crow.

 
Todem said:
WTF does Johhny Football have to do with Lebron.....and I got over that a long time ago.

He stinks. Realize you wasted a 1st rounder on a dud now so you can look for another QB. He is not ever going to lead this or any other team to a Super Bowl.

If he does....I will eat all the crow.
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So, if he doesn't ever make it to a Super Bowl, then you will "eat all the crow". Really going out on a limb there.

 
Peyton Manning's first 4 games: 3 TD's: 11 INT's

Not comparing Peyton to Manziel, but the point is that you guys are jumping on Manziel after 1 game. The kid may be an egomaniac but cut the kid some slack.

 
squistion said:
Todem said:
WTF does Johhny Football have to do with Lebron.....and I got over that a long time ago.

He stinks. Realize you wasted a 1st rounder on a dud now so you can look for another QB. He is not ever going to lead this or any other team to a Super Bowl.

If he does....I will eat all the crow.
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So, if he doesn't ever make it to a Super Bowl, then you will "eat all the crow". Really going out on a limb there.
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He won't ever lead them to the post season either....better? LOL.

 
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