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***2014 BBWAA Awards: MVP, CYA, ROY, MOY (1 Viewer)

Eephus

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Finalists:

NL Rookie: DeGrom, Hamilton, Wong

AL Rookie: Abreu, why bother with the others?

NL Manager: Bochy, Hurdle, Williams

AL Manager: Scioscia, Showalter, Yost

NL Cy Young: Cueto, Kershaw, Wainwright

AL Cy Young: Hernandez, Kluber, Sale

NL MVP: Kershaw, McCutchen, Stanton

AL MVP: Brantley, Martinez, Trout

 
IMO:

ROY: Abreu, Hamilton

AL/NL Manager: Whomever bunts and intentionally walks teams the least.

CY: Kluber, Kershaw

MVP: Trout, McCutchen. I think Kershaw's had the better year, but I think there should be separate awards for best hitter and best pitcher, instead of the weird "MVP is usually a hitter except when there's a REEEALLY good pitcher" middle ground. So protest vote for McCutchen.

 
Eephus said:
Finalists:

NL Rookie: DeGrom, Hamilton, Wong

AL Rookie: Abreu, why bother with the others?

NL Manager: Bochy, Hurdle, Williams

AL Manager: Scioscia, Showalter, Yost

NL Cy Young: Cueto, Kershaw, Wainwright

AL Cy Young: Hernandez, Kluber, Sale

NL MVP: Kershaw, McCutchen, Stanton

AL MVP: Brantley, Martinez, Trout
Easiest choices I can remember. Only thing that required more than two seconds of thought was Kluber vs Felix for AL Cy Young.

 
Before Boch, Sabes and I leave on our honeymoon, I want to mention how weak the candidates are for NL Manager of the Year. Matt Williams had the best talent in the league and won a very weak division. Hurdle took a team that won 94 games the year before and won 88 games with it. Bochy's club finished 6 games back in their pathetic division.

I don't really have any better nominees. Mattingly is Matt Williams with more hair and a few more public disputes with his players. The Cardinals were who we thought they were. Ron Roenicke would have been a cinch if the vote was taken on Labor Day but the Brewers collapsed. The Mets and Marlins mildly outperformed their low expectations. Everybody else deserves to be fired.

 
Matt Williams will win it.

Like him or not, he won an NL-best 96 games in his first season as a manager and led a team that missed the playoffs in the previous season to a NL East win by a large margin. Given the lack of a case to be made for many of the other candidates (as Eephus mentioned above), he becomes a pretty good bet to receive the honor.

 
Abreu and deGrom win RoY.

I don't know what to make of deGrom. An age 26 breakout with big improvements over his minor league SO/9 rates raise the possibility of a fluke season. His HR/FB% is extremely low for a guy who induces a league average number of ground ball outs. But that's a question for February.

 
deGrom got a late start because he had been fiddling around as a position player in the minors

 
deGrom got a late start because he had been fiddling around as a position player in the minors
He was a position player in college but only pitched as a professional. He lost a year to Tommy John surgery and had parts of two MiLB seasons polluted by pitching in Cashman Field.

 
deGrom got a late start because he had been fiddling around as a position player in the minors
He was a position player in college but only pitched as a professional. He lost a year to Tommy John surgery and had parts of two MiLB seasons polluted by pitching in Cashman Field.
oh, it was in college. Thank you for the correction.
 
Matt Williams will win it.

Like him or not, he won an NL-best 96 games in his first season as a manager and led a team that missed the playoffs in the previous season to a NL East win by a large margin.
I believe they do the voting before the playoffs begin. If not, I wonder how much removing Zimmerman would have tarnished him.

 
AL CYA

  1. Hernandez
  2. Kluber
  3. Sale
  4. Lester
  5. Scherzer
I drafted Felix twice in his back-to-back bad BABIP years. Wish I could've had this iteration.

I would've taken Kluber, but Cleveland's outright terrible defense sunk him. Not much separates any of the top 5 from each other.

 
Matt Williams will win it.

Like him or not, he won an NL-best 96 games in his first season as a manager and led a team that missed the playoffs in the previous season to a NL East win by a large margin.
I believe they do the voting before the playoffs begin. If not, I wonder how much removing Zimmerman would have tarnished him.
Removing Zimmermann was the right decision. He'd just given up a deep fly to center that would have been out if it had been hit to left or right, and Panik hit a bomb that almost grazed the foul pole in right before Zimmermann walked him. He had a closer with a 1.12 ERA in the pen and ready to go. Neither of the Giants' two hits off Storen was as hard-hit as the two balls hit off Zimmermann. #### happens. And that's coming from a guy who dumped on Matt Williams most of the season.

 
Green: Sabremetrics leave out the winning factorJerry Green, The Detroit News 7:37 p.m. EST November 15, 2014

The oddity of baseball is that the teams play 162 ballgames through six months from March to September so that fourth and fifth-place clubs might engage in combat in a World Series in October. And then in November, on the glitter of the Major League Network, baseball dishes out the annual awards. It is a weeklong offering of pomp and circumstance from rookies of the year to managers of the year to the Cy Young winners; then at the climax, to the most valuable players.

Basically, all the award contests were absolutely predictable. And my version of the truth is that only the MVP awards mean much. This year the MVPs were won by what I would declare retro ballplayers. Clayton Kershaw, the 21st century version of Sandy Koufax, was the National League's MVP with the Dodgers. Mike Trout, the 21st Century mixture of Willie Mays and Joe DiMaggio, won the American League's MVP award with the Angels. Trout was a unanimous choice after two years of wailing and weeping from the Sabremetrics fiends. And now these numbers crunchers gloat. Trout has won at last after two years of watching the backside of Miguel Cabrera. And if you don't believe they gloat, take a look at the website Five Three Eight with its numbers-ingrained copy.

We are now inundated not only by numbers, but also by initials. MVP is old-fashioned. Now we have WAR, OPS, and WHIP. WAR translates into wins above replacement which translates into gobbledy####. The Sabremetrics fanatics are cheering because Trout finally is the MVP. That award was totally deserved — this past season — because his ballclub finally finished in first place in its division. Not because he led all comers in WAR. And the magnificent Kershaw, whose regular season started in March in Australia, pitched his ballclub into a first-place finish in its division. Fact is, the Dodgers won the NL West in a romp with the enemy San Francisco Giants panting after them.

I now have an offering for the Sabremetrics fanciers. They should add a category — PUP. PUP is quite simple. It stands for Performance Under Pressure. Take our two brand new MVPs for a case example. Kershaw pitched for the best team in the National League. He made the Dodgers the best team in the league. Trout played graceful and wondrous center field for the best team in the American League. The Angels had the supreme record in the league because they had the most talented player — Trout. Some funny things happened before the Giants and Royals battled through seven games in the recent World Series. The Giants were the No. 2 wild-card entrant in their league. The Royals barely were the No. 1 wild card in their league. That, in essence, made the Giants the No. 5 seed in the National League playoffs. The Royals qualified as a lofty No. 4 seed in the AL playoffs.

In old-fashioned baseball terms, this was a fourth-place team vs. a fifth-place team in what MLB and the Fox sports spielers maintained was a genuine World Series. Where were the Angels and Dodgers in late October as the Giants and Royals clashed?

Waiting for next year!

Well, consider my new category PUP. Trout and Kershaw each scored 0 — a fat nothing — in a figure that should astound the Sabremetrics stats shakers. What was highly publicized in the Los Angeles media as an upcoming Freeway World Series developed a flat tire outside of Anaheim. Trout — with all his great talent — went 1-for-12 in his postseason debut. The Angels were swept out of the playoffs by the Royals. Kershaw — with his pitching magnificence — was blown up twice by the Cardinals as the Dodgers were booted from the postseason in their first round.

PUP — Trout zero.

PUP — Kershaw zero.

PUP — Brandon Crawford 10.
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