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WR Greg Jennings to Vikings, now Dolphins (1 Viewer)

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Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

@benevento43 @DLFootball I didn't say I thought he would. I said I think if Minny has a competent QB, he can be a solid, low end WR2.
Richard Benevento ‏@benevento43

@FFJeffM @DLFootball Your absolutely delusional if you thing Jennings will be 15-20 WR. I got him in the 15th rd last yr. #putaforkinhim
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

Suffice it to say, I think Jennings can/will have a top 15-20 season if Minny has anything resembling a non-awful QB.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

@benevento43 @DLFootball Also, facts are facts... Fact: In 5 games to end the season with Cassel at the helm, Jennings averaged 16.1 FPPG.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

@benevento43 @DLFootball Run that out over 16 games and you have 257.6 which woulda made him the 14th WR. Don't tell me he can't be top 20.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

My Greg Jennings opinion (not-awful QB + Norv + Jennings = WR2 in 2014) has ended up being more controversial than I expected.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

People keep saying he is washed up. Skill decline. Etc.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

The thing is, if you watch the games, I don't believe that to be true at all. I feel like people are just regurgitating something they read.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

The Fact is that Jennings graded out decently last year on PFF despite horrid QB play.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

He is well ahead of Vincent Jackson, Cecil Shorts, James Jones, Rueben Randle, and others.
 
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Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

And, at the end of last year, supposedly where his decline would be most prevalent, he performed like a WR2 for more than a month.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

The days of 1200 yards and 12 TD's are gone. But there is no reason he doesn't have a year or two of WR2 production left in him.
Jeff Miller ‏@FFJeffM

@schuelkecorn Matt Cassel was good enough last year. It won't take much. Just not Ponder.
 
I doubt that Jennings is on a decline because of his age. More than likely, he's probably just not quite as good as everyone thought he was when he's not playing with possibly the best QB in the game. I have no doubt that Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb would "decline" if they went to another team as well.

That said, I do agree that there is a middle ground between playing with the best QB in the league and playing with one of the worst QBs in the league that can make him a usable fantasy asset.

 
Greg Jennings will be 31 years old in September. He is not washed up at all and it is not due to age.

Here is a nice article written about him last season- http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/11/28/5154728/greg-jennings-is-always-open-a-photo-essay

Sorry we need a flow chart for this but here are the QBs he played with and how well he did on a game by game basis (Jennings did not have a catch vs Seattle)

DET 3 33 11.00 (Ponder)
CHI 5 84 16.80 (Ponder)
CLE 3 43 14.33 (Ponder)

PIT 3 92 30.67 2TD (Cassel)
CAR 6 34 5.67 (Cassel)

NYG 4 41 10.25 (Freeman)

GNB 1 9 9.00 (Ponder)
DAL 6 56 9.33 (Ponder)
WAS 3 18 6.00 (Ponder)
GNB 2 29 14.50 (Ponder)
CHI 7 78 11.14 1TD (Ponder benched, finished with Cassel)

BAL 5 53 10.60 (Cassel)
PHI 11 163 14.82 1TD (Cassel)
CIN 4 27 6.75 (Cassel)
DET 5 44 8.80 (Cassel)
So Jennings averaged 4 or more catches a game as long as Ponder was not the starter.

 
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Greg Jennings' transition from the Green Bay Packers to theMinnesota Vikings was always going to have some fits and starts, well beyond the border-hopping rivalry stuff that fans soak up (and Jennings fed with several rounds of well-publicized comments earlier this year). He went from playing with two quarterbacks -- Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers -- for all but one game of his time with the Packers, to having three in his first six games with the Vikings. On top of that, Jennings had to learn how to exist in an offensive system that revolved not around an MVP quarterback, but an MVP running back. That meant fewer opportunities as the Vikings went through their quarterback changes. And it meant Jennings taking a more serious approach to the art of downfield blocking.

"I kind of saw that the role, my mindset had to change, making sure that I was doing my job and not becoming a distraction at all," Jennings said. "Embracing the run game even more, making sure that I did my part from that aspect of what we were trying to on the offensive side of the ball. ... It didn’t get to me. I just had to shift my mindset to more of a run-blocker because that’s where we were having success at. That’s what was going to get our offense rolling."

For much of Jennings' time in Green Bay, the Packers were either so committed to the pass or so inept at the run that he wasn't asked to do much other than get open and catch passes. The most Jennings had to run-block was in his first season with Rodgers -- in 2008, when he was blocking on 33.8 percent of his offensive snaps, according to Pro Football Focus. His run-blocking dropped in each of the next three seasons (32.3 percent in 2009, 30.9 percent in 2010, 26.7 percent in 2011) before jumping back up to 29.1 percent in 2012. But this season, Jennings is back to blocking almost as frequently as he's ever done.

The Vikings have asked him to do it on 33.4 percent of his snaps this season, and in wide-receivers coach George Stewart, Jennings has a former offensive-line coach who stresses proper blocking technique. During his disappointing 2012 season, wide receiver Jerome Simpson won praise from the coaching staff for the way he worked to improve as a blocker, and that might have helped him earn a new contract from the Vikings this season. It also might have helped converted quarterback Joe Webb make the team out of training camp; Webb has blocked on 42.1 percent of his offensive snaps, filling the role Stephen Burtonhad occupied for the Vikings last season.

Jennings' productivity has increased since Matt Cassel took over as quarterback, and the Vikings are paying him primarily to do what he always did in Green Bay. But run-blocking is always going to be a reality in an offense with Adrian Peterson, and it's been one of several adjustments for Jennings in his first year in Minnesota.

He had a career-high 11 catches last week in a win over the Eagles, and has 59 catches for 733 yards this season. But Jennings will need a big finish to the season to avoid his lowest full-season yardage total since his rookie year, and his four touchdowns also match his fewest since his rookie year.

"It’s a challenge," he said of working with so many quarterbacks. "That’s why you get a lot of receivers, and a lot of people tag us as divas. Because a lot of times the work that we put in, not to get a result, it can be frustrating for anyone. For a team that’s lost as many games as we’ve lost, we put in a lot of work in practice not to get the production and have the success that we feel we deserve or that we’re putting in on Wednesday, Thursdays and Fridays, it can be frustrating. But you have to keep rolling with the punches, and right now we’re having some success and that’s where we are." http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/3499/greg-jennings-learns-the-art-of-blocking
 
Let's just assume the Vikes get a QB with a serviceable arm (ie not Ponder or his type).

Is Patterson really a true deep threat who can met the past WRs who have excelled under Turner? I think of him more as a YAC, catch and run through the seam kind of player. Is that fair?

I am not saying Patterson won't excel (in fact I'd be targeting him) - my question is, is there someone else who could or would play the deep role?

Can that be Jennings? Someone else?

 
Let's just assume the Vikes get a QB with a serviceable arm (ie not Ponder or his type).

Is Patterson really a true deep threat who can met the past WRs who have excelled under Turner? I think of him more as a YAC, catch and run through the seam kind of player. Is that fair?

I am not saying Patterson won't excel (in fact I'd be targeting him) - my question is, is there someone else who could or would play the deep role?

Can that be Jennings? Someone else?
As of right now, Patterson is far more athlete than professional WR. Hard to say how much technical progress he makes this offseason as of now. Jennings is a polished technician who is proficient in all phases of the game; I personally wouldn't be at all surprised to see him lead the Vikings in targets next year, assuming they don't roll with Ponder. If it is Ponder, he just chucks the ball toward Kyle Rudolph the instant he feels pressure.

 
Greg Jennings will be 31 years old in September. He is not washed up at all and it is not due to age.

Here is a nice article written about him last season- http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/11/28/5154728/greg-jennings-is-always-open-a-photo-essay

Sorry we need a flow chart for this but here are the QBs he played with and how well he did on a game by game basis (Jennings did not have a catch vs Seattle)

DET 3 33 11.00 (Ponder)

CHI 5 84 16.80 (Ponder)

CLE 3 43 14.33 (Ponder)

PIT 3 92 30.67 2TD (Cassel)

CAR 6 34 5.67 (Cassel)

NYG 4 41 10.25 (Freeman)

GNB 1 9 9.00 (Ponder)

DAL 6 56 9.33 (Ponder)

WAS 3 18 6.00 (Ponder)

GNB 2 29 14.50 (Ponder)

CHI 7 78 11.14 1TD (Ponder benched, finished with Cassel)

BAL 5 53 10.60 (Cassel)

PHI 11 163 14.82 1TD (Cassel)

CIN 4 27 6.75 (Cassel)

DET 5 44 8.80 (Cassel)

So Jennings averaged 4 or more catches a game as long as Ponder was not the starter.
Now that Cassel has re-signed, how do people feel about Jennings' prospects in 2014?
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Vikings reporter Ben Goessling observed that Greg Jennings "clicked with Matt Cassel" last season.
Whether it was chemistry with Cassel or simply relief from no longer seeing Christian Ponder in the huddle, something changed for Jennings with Cassel under center. He posted a 34-413-3 line on 47 targets in Cassel's six starts. The overall stats are misleading, though, as Jennings failed to reach 60 yards receiving in four of the six games. Jennings may have a few solid games this season, but his lack of upside and consistency make him nothing more than fantasy bench filler.

Source: ESPN.com
 
Greg Jennings will be 31 years old in September. He is not washed up at all and it is not due to age.

Here is a nice article written about him last season- http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/11/28/5154728/greg-jennings-is-always-open-a-photo-essay

Sorry we need a flow chart for this but here are the QBs he played with and how well he did on a game by game basis (Jennings did not have a catch vs Seattle)

DET 3 33 11.00 (Ponder)

CHI 5 84 16.80 (Ponder)

CLE 3 43 14.33 (Ponder)

PIT 3 92 30.67 2TD (Cassel)

CAR 6 34 5.67 (Cassel)

NYG 4 41 10.25 (Freeman)

GNB 1 9 9.00 (Ponder)

DAL 6 56 9.33 (Ponder)

WAS 3 18 6.00 (Ponder)

GNB 2 29 14.50 (Ponder)

CHI 7 78 11.14 1TD (Ponder benched, finished with Cassel)

BAL 5 53 10.60 (Cassel)

PHI 11 163 14.82 1TD (Cassel)

CIN 4 27 6.75 (Cassel)

DET 5 44 8.80 (Cassel)

So Jennings averaged 4 or more catches a game as long as Ponder was not the starter.
Now that Cassel has re-signed, how do people feel about Jennings' prospects in 2014?
2014 Greg Jennings 95-115-130tg (.587cmp%) 56-68-76rec 14.9ypc 831-1006-1137yds 6-8TD

There are 3 other sets of Vikings projections here as well :) http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707689

 
I like him as a person but the biggest waste of cap space is Kyle Rudolph. Always injured and not a huge upgrade at the position. I wish the Vikings could trade him.

 
not sure Jennings has much anything left though...doesn't look anything like the receiver he once was in GB

 
not sure Jennings has much anything left though...doesn't look anything like the receiver he once was in GB
He's probably better than Boykin right now for the #4 in GB. I wonder if they'd welcome him back. I'd take him in OAK in a second.

ETA: Looks like Boykin is a FA. Guess the question for them would be Jennings vs. Janis.

 
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Both Wallace and Jennings had the same salary this year with no more guaranteed money owed.

Wallace + 5th >>>>> Jennings + 7th

 
not sure Jennings has much anything left though...doesn't look anything like the receiver he once was in GB
He's probably better than Boykin right now for the #4 in GB. I wonder if they'd welcome him back. I'd take him in OAK in a second.
Jennings is one of my favorite players of all time. Just fun to watch because he enjoys playing the game! However, I think we are seeing how good Rodgers is...he makes everyone look much better than they really are!!

 
not sure Jennings has much anything left though...doesn't look anything like the receiver he once was in GB
He's probably better than Boykin right now for the #4 in GB. I wonder if they'd welcome him back. I'd take him in OAK in a second.
Jennings is one of my favorite players of all time. Just fun to watch because he enjoys playing the game! However, I think we are seeing how good Rodgers is...he makes everyone look much better than they really are!!
No argument there.

 
Rotoworld:

Vikings released WR Greg Jennings.
Jennings was scheduled to count $11 million against the cap and became expendable when the Vikings traded for Mike Wallace. His release saves Minnesota $9 million in cap space as a post-June 1 cut, but leaves $2M in dead money. Coming off a 59/742/6 line, 31-year-old Jennings should draw interest as a veteran No. 3 receiver. Jennings joins Michael Crabtree, Stevie Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Cecil Shorts as the top available free-agent wideouts. The Vikings will move forward with Charles Johnson and Wallace as their starters on the outside. Jarius Wright figures to man the slot.

Related: Vikings

Source: Ben Goessling on Twitter
Mar 14 - 2:08 PM
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?

 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
:lol:

Is 127-1546-10 worth 18 million?

 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
The local beat guys in GB reported the packers made Jennings a very good offer. Within a million a year or so of what he took from the Vikings.

He burned just about every bridge he could on the way out, including ripping Rodgers. Apparently Driver and Jennings were both irritated that Rodgers would call them out for running the wrong routes in meetings following a game.

I'd be very surprised if he's back in GB.

 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
The local beat guys in GB reported the packers made Jennings a very good offer. Within a million a year or so of what he took from the Vikings.
No one know for sure but let's just assume this local beat guy is right. Do the math 1 M a year on a 5 year contract is 5 M dollars less. How is that a good offer?

As the saying goes - Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

BTW: It is pretty sicking listening to entitled GB fans who simply expect that their players need to take less money for the privilege of playing with ARod.

 
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
The local beat guys in GB reported the packers made Jennings a very good offer. Within a million a year or so of what he took from the Vikings.
No one know for sure but let's just assume this local beat guy is right. Do the math 1 M a year on a 5 year contract is 5 M dollars less. How is that a good offer? As the saying goes - Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

BTW: It is pretty sicking listening to entitled GB fans who simply expect that their players need to take less money for the privilege of playing with ARod.
No kidding. Pathetic
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
The local beat guys in GB reported the packers made Jennings a very good offer. Within a million a year or so of what he took from the Vikings. He burned just about every bridge he could on the way out, including ripping Rodgers. Apparently Driver and Jennings were both irritated that Rodgers would call them out for running the wrong routes in meetings following a game.

I'd be very surprised if he's back in GB.
Meanwhile he won the Ed Block Courage award this season. Get a clue, guy. It doesn't make him a bad guy because he didn't take millions less to play for your Packers.
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
:lol:

Is 127-1546-10 worth 18 million?
He probably would have made more by staying because he may not have been cut. I knew he would be cut after 2 years. The same will happen to Torrey Smith in 2 years.

Of course he will sign somewhere for some $ but I think taking a little less would have been worth more.

 
This brings the question of, does the agent get like 10% of the signed contract? I mean these guys that bolt a team with an upper tier to elite QB for $ can't possibly think they will see the years where the salary escalates substantially.

 
This brings the question of, does the agent get like 10% of the signed contract? I mean these guys that bolt a team with an upper tier to elite QB for $ can't possibly think they will see the years where the salary escalates substantially.
think the agent gets like 3% of money paid out

he's not getting any cut of the phoney back end years

 
Some players make more by getting released early. Most signing bonus are paid in year one to minimize the cap hit down the road. Look at Michael Johnson he played one year for the Bucs and collected 16 M and is now free to get another signing bonus.

 
This brings the question of, does the agent get like 10% of the signed contract? I mean these guys that bolt a team with an upper tier to elite QB for $ can't possibly think they will see the years where the salary escalates substantially.
think the agent gets like 3% of money paid out

he's not getting any cut of the phoney back end years
So he gets paid as the contract continues over the years?

 
This brings the question of, does the agent get like 10% of the signed contract? I mean these guys that bolt a team with an upper tier to elite QB for $ can't possibly think they will see the years where the salary escalates substantially.
think the agent gets like 3% of money paid out

he's not getting any cut of the phoney back end years
So he gets paid as the contract continues over the years?
yeah, I would imagine so

there's just no way a player's paying those guys on money they never collect

 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
The local beat guys in GB reported the packers made Jennings a very good offer. Within a million a year or so of what he took from the Vikings.
No one know for sure but let's just assume this local beat guy is right. Do the math 1 M a year on a 5 year contract is 5 M dollars less. How is that a good offer?

As the saying goes - Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

BTW: It is pretty sicking listening to entitled GB fans who simply expect that their players need to take less money for the privilege of playing with ARod.
Who is "expecting" it?

People were saying with Cobb it would be possible he would take less than to go the way of Jennings and Jones and take the money to play on bad teams with mediocre to bad QB play.

Sorry you all can't seem to understand that very well.

And prior to becoming a FA Jennings turned down a bigger offer from GB than what they offered after the year he had.

 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8681968/nfl-agent-life-all-glamour

The numbersThere are 714 agents certified by the NFL Players Association for approximately 1,800 NFL players. To become certified, an agent must have a graduate degree and pass an exam, administered annually in July, testing knowledge of the CBA and contract rules. Last year, 140 new agents passed the test, set free to recruit, sign and represent NFL players.

The annual fee to maintain certification is $1,200 for agents who represent fewer than 10 active players and $1,700 for agents who represent 10 or more.

Here are some other interesting notes about NFL agents, according to the NFLPA:

• 42 percent of agents -- 300 of them -- have no clients currently in the NFL.

• 25 percent of agents have between one and four clients.

• 13 percent of the agents represent half of the players in the NFL.

• 25 percent of the agents represent 78 percent of the players in the NFL
The feesThe NFLPA's annual meeting of player representatives --not the most sympathetic group toward agent fees -- periodically addresses the fee structure for agents. The maximum fee has been reduced a couple of times over the years and is now at 3 percent of the player's contract.

The 3 percent fee applies to money actually received: Agents must wait to collect on things such as bonus deferrals, salary and negotiated incentives until the player actually has received the money. And once a player's contract is terminated, the agent fees on the remaining balance of that contract also are extinguished.

Agents cannot charge 3 percent for restricted free agent or franchise tag one-year contracts. The maximum for those is 2 percent.

Fee undercutting is rampant. Agents will charge less than 1 percent to entice a player to sign. Lowering fees has become a staple for agents seeking to gain business
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
The local beat guys in GB reported the packers made Jennings a very good offer. Within a million a year or so of what he took from the Vikings. He burned just about every bridge he could on the way out, including ripping Rodgers. Apparently Driver and Jennings were both irritated that Rodgers would call them out for running the wrong routes in meetings following a game.

I'd be very surprised if he's back in GB.
Meanwhile he won the Ed Block Courage award this season. Get a clue, guy. It doesn't make him a bad guy because he didn't take millions less to play for your Packers.
Please feel free to stop being a dbag, and point out exactly where I have ever suggested, implied or even hinted that a player should take less to play for the Packers or a any other team. Donnybrook was suggesting that the Packers may not have even been close with their offer. The local press reported that the Packers made a very competitive offer. The Vikings offered more, and he took it. I don't blame him for that. What I didn't like was his public ripping of the Packers on his way out of town. It was classless.

 
Some players make more by getting released early. Most signing bonus are paid in year one to minimize the cap hit down the road. Look at Michael Johnson he played one year for the Bucs and collected 16 M and is now free to get another signing bonus.
Wow
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
:lol:

Is 127-1546-10 worth 18 million?
It's not Jennings fault he had no one to throw him the ball.
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Mike Wallace in, Greg Jennings out RT @Vikings: The #Vikings have released WR Greg Jennings:
He wanted the money so bad instead of taking a little less and playing with the best QB in all of football and increasing his chances of a Superbowl. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
Green Bay fans can believe what they want to believe. Could it be that the Packers did not want to pay him anything close to what he was worth?
:lol:

Is 127-1546-10 worth 18 million?
It's not Jennings fault he had no one to throw him the ball.
Something he should have thought about before he signed with the Vikings maybe?

 
What are we talking about here? I'm not talking about him feeling bad over his production. I'm talking about his value at the time.

 

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