Evans hyped is reaching a whole new level. Evans may have the size but Watkins has the talent.Evans>>> Watkins
At 1st I was thinking the same think, but what team would qualify? Det signed Tate; I was thinking NO but they spread the ball around a lot, Car needs a WR1 but their a running team 1st.For me, it would depend on where Evans goes. If Evans goes to a great spot, I might take him over Watkins in Oakland.
This, and I don't want people to misunderstand what I (and I'd imagine others) mean by overrated. Overrated does not mean that I think Watkins is bad. But some of the comps I've heard for Watkins are absurd: Andre Johnson? Julio? Watkins simply does not have the body type to be either of these players. He's giving up 2 inches and 10-20 pounds to each, which may not seem like a lot, but it is in the NFL. Watkins profiles more as a plus version of Torrey Smith, one that can run all the routes and catch the ball better. He is probably the safest WR in the draft, and should have a very good career. But if we're talking about fantasy, Evans has better potential to be a top level WR1 due to his body type and athleticism. And if we're talking about the 1.01, that's the kind of potential I'm mining for, even if it comes with a bigger risk. Also, lets not forget that Watkins is a guy who caught over 57% of his passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, and only 30% past 5 yards.Mike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
Yea, the numbers were compiled by Greg Peshek of rotoworld. Really good stuff, I've been checking his numbers for a couple years nowinteresting stat. 30%?
is that correct?
Great post and this is exactly what I meant. Also, Watkins didn't blow up the combine. If you're going to be below 6'2, you better be a stud athlete for me to consider you a WR1. Watkins is a good athlete...big difference.This, and I don't want people to misunderstand what I (and I'd imagine others) mean by overrated. Overrated does not mean that I think Watkins is bad. But some of the comps I've heard for Watkins are absurd: Andre Johnson? Julio? Watkins simply does not have the body type to be either of these players. He's giving up 2 inches and 10-20 pounds to each, which may not seem like a lot, but it is in the NFL. Watkins profiles more as a plus version of Torrey Smith, one that can run all the routes and catch the ball better. He is probably the safest WR in the draft, and should have a very good career. But if we're talking about fantasy, Evans has better potential to be a top level WR1 due to his body type and athleticism. And if we're talking about the 1.01, that's the kind of potential I'm mining for, even if it comes with a bigger risk. Also, lets not forget that Watkins is a guy who caught over 57% of his passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, and only 30% past 5 yards.Mike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
Yea, the numbers were compiled by Greg Peshek of rotoworld. Really good stuff, I've been checking his numbers for a couple years nowinteresting stat. 30%?
is that correct?
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics
well, that also means hes pretty good w/ the ball in his handsThis, and I don't want people to misunderstand what I (and I'd imagine others) mean by overrated. Overrated does not mean that I think Watkins is bad. But some of the comps I've heard for Watkins are absurd: Andre Johnson? Julio? Watkins simply does not have the body type to be either of these players. He's giving up 2 inches and 10-20 pounds to each, which may not seem like a lot, but it is in the NFL. Watkins profiles more as a plus version of Torrey Smith, one that can run all the routes and catch the ball better. He is probably the safest WR in the draft, and should have a very good career. But if we're talking about fantasy, Evans has better potential to be a top level WR1 due to his body type and athleticism. And if we're talking about the 1.01, that's the kind of potential I'm mining for, even if it comes with a bigger risk. Also, lets not forget that Watkins is a guy who caught over 57% of his passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, and only 30% past 5 yards.Mike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
I would not assume that to be true. If Watkins is on the board at pick 5 and he's McKenzie's BPA he's going to take him if he doesn't get an attractive trade offer to move down the board. Supposing Desean lands in Oakland, Raiders aren't going to pass on BPA of thier draft board just because they have a glut of WR's. They will draft Watkins and look to make a draft day 2 or day 3 trade of Denarius Moore. This draft is all about McKenzie's flexibility and being true to his board.If the Jackson rumors are true, then Watkins wont be going to Oakland.
I would agree with that assessment, but how often is that the top thing you say about an elite receiver in fantasy? That's more my point. And I'm not saying that's the first thing you think of with Watkins, because it probably isn't. But it's probably in the top 3-5 things you'd say he does well. And in a very simple context, how often are you havin drinks with your buddies and discussing how good Calvin, Dez, or Julio are with the ball in their hands? Id' imagine you're spending more time talking about how big and fast they are, how high they jump, and their ball skills. That's more the overall idea.Yea, the numbers were compiled by Greg Peshek of rotoworld. Really good stuff, I've been checking his numbers for a couple years nowinteresting stat. 30%?
is that correct?
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metricswell, that also means hes pretty good w/ the ball in his handsThis, and I don't want people to misunderstand what I (and I'd imagine others) mean by overrated. Overrated does not mean that I think Watkins is bad. But some of the comps I've heard for Watkins are absurd: Andre Johnson? Julio? Watkins simply does not have the body type to be either of these players. He's giving up 2 inches and 10-20 pounds to each, which may not seem like a lot, but it is in the NFL. Watkins profiles more as a plus version of Torrey Smith, one that can run all the routes and catch the ball better. He is probably the safest WR in the draft, and should have a very good career. But if we're talking about fantasy, Evans has better potential to be a top level WR1 due to his body type and athleticism. And if we're talking about the 1.01, that's the kind of potential I'm mining for, even if it comes with a bigger risk. Also, lets not forget that Watkins is a guy who caught over 57% of his passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, and only 30% past 5 yards.Mike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
In college, it's not like we're talking about Patterson with the ball in his hands. Watkins isn't a speed guy, he isn't a size guy, he isn't an elusive guy. Plus he has a drug charge under his record. Give me the guy that's 4 inches taller and has a huge reach, but only .1 slower...Mike Evans looks like king kong running routes and pushing DBs around.Yea, the numbers were compiled by Greg Peshek of rotoworld. Really good stuff, I've been checking his numbers for a couple years nowinteresting stat. 30%?
is that correct?
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metricswell, that also means hes pretty good w/ the ball in his handsThis, and I don't want people to misunderstand what I (and I'd imagine others) mean by overrated. Overrated does not mean that I think Watkins is bad. But some of the comps I've heard for Watkins are absurd: Andre Johnson? Julio? Watkins simply does not have the body type to be either of these players. He's giving up 2 inches and 10-20 pounds to each, which may not seem like a lot, but it is in the NFL. Watkins profiles more as a plus version of Torrey Smith, one that can run all the routes and catch the ball better. He is probably the safest WR in the draft, and should have a very good career. But if we're talking about fantasy, Evans has better potential to be a top level WR1 due to his body type and athleticism. And if we're talking about the 1.01, that's the kind of potential I'm mining for, even if it comes with a bigger risk. Also, lets not forget that Watkins is a guy who caught over 57% of his passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, and only 30% past 5 yards.Mike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
Evans is a beast on go routes it's true. But he doesn't look particularly elusive or quick in the first 5 to 10 yards of space. He has a ways to go developing his route tree to anything more than a Torrey Smith type route tree, which ironically is who Sammy Watkins has compared himself to. Apparently, Watkins is a very humble guy. Watkins plays bigger than his measured size. Plays like he's 2 or 3 inches taller and extremely quick and elusive out of breaks. The Andre Johnson comparisons are not far off from reality. There really is no fair comparison to a guy with a limited skillset like Mike Evans. Watkins is on a tier to himself. I really like Evans too, but I could see Lee or Cooks having a better overall career than Evans depending on what team they land on. Watkins is bust proof and will be a stud with the Raiders or any team you would like to choose.In college, it's not like we're talking about Patterson with the ball in his hands. Watkins isn't a speed guy, he isn't a size guy, he isn't an elusive guy. Plus he has a drug charge under his record. Give me the guy that's 4 inches taller and has a huge reach, but only .1 slower...Mike Evans looks like king kong running routes and pushing DBs around.Yea, the numbers were compiled by Greg Peshek of rotoworld. Really good stuff, I've been checking his numbers for a couple years nowinteresting stat. 30%?
is that correct?
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metricswell, that also means hes pretty good w/ the ball in his handsThis, and I don't want people to misunderstand what I (and I'd imagine others) mean by overrated. Overrated does not mean that I think Watkins is bad. But some of the comps I've heard for Watkins are absurd: Andre Johnson? Julio? Watkins simply does not have the body type to be either of these players. He's giving up 2 inches and 10-20 pounds to each, which may not seem like a lot, but it is in the NFL. Watkins profiles more as a plus version of Torrey Smith, one that can run all the routes and catch the ball better. He is probably the safest WR in the draft, and should have a very good career. But if we're talking about fantasy, Evans has better potential to be a top level WR1 due to his body type and athleticism. And if we're talking about the 1.01, that's the kind of potential I'm mining for, even if it comes with a bigger risk. Also, lets not forget that Watkins is a guy who caught over 57% of his passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, and only 30% past 5 yards.Mike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
Evans could easily be a Brandon Marshall/Alshon Jeffery type. With the new NFL rules...they help the bigger WRs more...and the bigger WRs score more in FF. I agree Evans isnt quick and needs help on his route tree. But he has crazy reach and good hands.Evans is a beast on go routes it's true. But he doesn't look particularly elusive or quick in the first 5 to 10 yards of space. He has a ways to go developing his route tree to anything more than a Torrey Smith type route tree, which ironically is who Sammy Watkins has compared himself to. Apparently, Watkins is a very humble guy. Watkins plays bigger than his measured size. Plays like he's 2 or 3 inches taller and extremely quick and elusive out of breaks. The Andre Johnson comparisons are not far off from reality. There really is no fair comparison to a guy with a limited skillset like Mike Evans. Watkins is on a tier to himself. I really like Evans too, but I could see Lee or Cooks having a better overall career than Evans depending on what team they land on. Watkins is bust proof and will be a stud with the Raiders or any team you would like to choose.In college, it's not like we're talking about Patterson with the ball in his hands. Watkins isn't a speed guy, he isn't a size guy, he isn't an elusive guy. Plus he has a drug charge under his record. Give me the guy that's 4 inches taller and has a huge reach, but only .1 slower...Mike Evans looks like king kong running routes and pushing DBs around.Yea, the numbers were compiled by Greg Peshek of rotoworld. Really good stuff, I've been checking his numbers for a couple years nowinteresting stat. 30%?
is that correct?
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metricswell, that also means hes pretty good w/ the ball in his handsThis, and I don't want people to misunderstand what I (and I'd imagine others) mean by overrated. Overrated does not mean that I think Watkins is bad. But some of the comps I've heard for Watkins are absurd: Andre Johnson? Julio? Watkins simply does not have the body type to be either of these players. He's giving up 2 inches and 10-20 pounds to each, which may not seem like a lot, but it is in the NFL. Watkins profiles more as a plus version of Torrey Smith, one that can run all the routes and catch the ball better. He is probably the safest WR in the draft, and should have a very good career. But if we're talking about fantasy, Evans has better potential to be a top level WR1 due to his body type and athleticism. And if we're talking about the 1.01, that's the kind of potential I'm mining for, even if it comes with a bigger risk. Also, lets not forget that Watkins is a guy who caught over 57% of his passes behind or at the line of scrimmage, and only 30% past 5 yards.Mike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
I like Evans and would gladly take him at 2 or 3, but if I got the #2 and the guy in front takes Evans I will wet my pantsI'm perplexed as to how so many people could rank Evans over Watkins. Granted, where they land in the draft will have huge implications for their future prospects, but to rank Evans over Watkins on strictly talent is mind blowing.
WRs with his measureables have a harder time translating to being a FF WR1. 6'1(just below) runs a 4.43 or worse, 34 vertical or worse, and isn't uber quick(short shuttle/3 cone). I saw all of this on film, but the combine just reaffirmed it for me(so don't do there).I'm perplexed as to how so many people could rank Evans over Watkins. Granted, where they land in the draft will have huge implications for their future prospects, but to rank Evans over Watkins on strictly talent is mind blowing.
Completely agree.I think Evans, Watkins, Lee, Beckham, Cooks are far ahead of the next tier of WRs.
This guy gets "it"WRs with his measureables have a harder time translating to being a FF WR1. 6'1(just below) runs a 4.43 or worse, 34 vertical or worse, and isn't uber quick(short shuttle/3 cone). I saw all of this on film, but the combine just reaffirmed it for me(so don't do there).I'm perplexed as to how so many people could rank Evans over Watkins. Granted, where they land in the draft will have huge implications for their future prospects, but to rank Evans over Watkins on strictly talent is mind blowing.
Big WRs(6'2 +): Calvin, Julio, AJ Green, Fitz, Keenan Allen, Gordon, Marshall, Jeffery, Decker, Andre, Jordy, Vjax, Floyd, Colston, Bowe, Patterson, Bowe, Stevie J
Uber Quick or speed WRs: Antonio Brown, Welker, Cobb, Desean, TY Hilton, Edelman, Cruz, Wallace
WRs like Watkins: Garcon, Kendall Wright, Torrey Smith, Jennings, Steve Smith, Nicks, Roddy
The WRs like Watkins have to get a lot of targets, be technicians and most of the time be aligned with a good to great QB. The big WRs can get by without the best routes and/or QBs...that's why I go with Evans.
If Watkins goes to Oaklnad and Ebron went to some incredible landing spot, probably still take WAtkins, but would definitely see if the guy at pick #2 would give something good to swapIn a 0.5/1/1.5 RB/WR/TE, would anyone take Ebron (given a good landing spot) over Watkins at 1.1?
Ever watched him play?If a midget wr with average speed that can't jump is clearly the cream of the crop this year it must not be "that" great of a draft class.......
i would take Watkins but it's not crazy for someone to gamble on Evans upside. He's raw, 20 years old, and has prototypical size with the chance to enter elite territory. So does Watkins, but Evans size and redzone potential is enticing.I'm perplexed as to how so many people could rank Evans over Watkins. Granted, where they land in the draft will have huge implications for their future prospects, but to rank Evans over Watkins on strictly talent is mind blowing.
Yeah he did slightly worse than DeAndre Hopkins with the same QB running the same offense. Oddly enough Hopkins projects as a strong "#2 wr" in the nfl and Watkins projects as cross between AJ Green and Percy Harvin. Doesn't make a hole lot of sense to me.Ever watched him play?If a midget wr with average speed that can't jump is clearly the cream of the crop this year it must not be "that" great of a draft class.......
Eh I don't think it's nearly that simple. One could argue that perhaps Watkins' presence greatly contributed to Hopkins' big season that he had at Clemson. Have to remember that the year before that Sammy emerged as one of the top receivers in the country as just a freshman. Now I'll admit I saw very little of Clemson during Sammy's sophomore year but it was by far his least productive season and I'd be willing to bet that a lot of it had to do with teams gameplanning around stopping Watkins, which opened the door for Deandre to take off.Yeah he did slightly worse than DeAndre Hopkins with the same QB running the same offense. Oddly enough Hopkins projects as a strong "#2 wr" in the nfl and Watkins projects as cross between AJ Green and Percy Harvin. Doesn't make a hole lot of sense to me.Ever watched him play?If a midget wr with average speed that can't jump is clearly the cream of the crop this year it must not be "that" great of a draft class.......
Depends on lineup rules. In a couple of my leagues we can only start 1 TE, so Ebron probably falls out of the top 6. If three TEs could start plus the enhanced scoring, I'd have to strongly consider him at #1.In a 0.5/1/1.5 RB/WR/TE, would anyone take Ebron (given a good landing spot) over Watkins at 1.1?
Watkins overrated + Evans @ 1.1 = ironyMike Evans is my current 1.1, so no because I think Watkins is overrated.
besides one thread that said hes the next Andre Johnson (which was stupid) I haven't seen any articles saying hes the next Megatron. 2 completely different styles.He's being touted as the next mega - elite wr dude. Not the next Stevie Johnson.
He's being projected as the best WR in this draft but I don't think that's saying he's mega elite. I don't see anyone projecting him along the lines of Green, Julio, Calvin or Fitz type prospects.He's being touted as the next mega - elite wr dude. Not the next Stevie Johnson.