Cliff Clavin
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Bigger disappointment / trainwreck this season: Knicks or Pistons?
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Footballguy
Knicks are bigger disappointment...they went to the playoffs with a similar roster.
I'm pretty sure anyone going into the season would tell you adding Josh Smith to play SF and trading for Brandon Jennings were terrible moves for a team lacking offensive punch.
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Craig_MiamiFL
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No question to me really: Knicks. The Melo iso offense has never worked. Will never work. But I at least expected a playoff berth & then them doing their usual quick flameout.
Pistons just horribly built. 4 starters that can't shoot. Dumars should be canned.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
If Pistons get worse than the 8th pick in the draft, they lose it to Charlotte for some dumb trade they made in the past. So I hope they lose every game for the rest of the year.
Keep Drummond and Monroe, get rid of everyone else. Josh Smith is terrible. Get the ball on the wing beyond the three point line, dribble seven times, fire up a wild shot just inside the line. :bricktown:
Keep Drummond and Monroe, get rid of everyone else. Josh Smith is terrible. Get the ball on the wing beyond the three point line, dribble seven times, fire up a wild shot just inside the line. :bricktown:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I'd go Knicks as well but not by that much and mostly because of the idiocy of Smith and Felton and the comedy of Bargnani. I think I had Detroit pegged as a 6-7 seed this year (just like the Knicks). Yeah, it is a terribly put together team but I still thought they'd be able to pull off enough wins on talent alone in a terrible conference. They've only got a couple more wins than teams that are blatantly tanking like Boston, LA and Utah.
The Knicks went in status quo (well, they downgraded from Novak to Bargnani) and they still might end up where most expected; a first round exit. The Pistons shelled out $100M+ in the off-season expecting big things and may very well have gotten worse.
Master of Past and Present
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Knicks do but really what else can they do? Have t sell what they have which is a slim chance at the playoffs since can't sell the pick.I love that the Knicks or Hawks are going to make the playoffs.The Hawks are 31-41.
Please please tell me one of these teams has a PLAYOFF PUSH ad campaign or something going on right now.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Too bad they can't pretend like last offseason didn't happen. They had a solid foundation with Drummond/Monroe.
Brandon Knight probably wasn't the best fit for PG of the future, but was no worse than Jennings. Good argument can be made that Khris Middleton fits exactly what Pistons needed (even if turned into long term bench option).
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msudaisy26
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I heard rumors on the radio back during the trade deadline that teams were offering to take Smith off the Pistons hands for low draft picks but they said no. I am not sure what he is worth or who offered the picks, but if he is that bad why did they say no?
the moops
Footballguy
Abraham
Footballguy
That "dumb trade in the past" prominently featured Ben Gordon.
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Yeah, I can definitely agree with that. The Sixers didn't have a heck of a lot of other direction they could have gone so I'm not really saying they made the wrong choice. And Wiggins still has the type of athletic ability that made people drool over him heading into the season, so I'm not sure his ceiling is any lower - it's the probability of reaching it that seems quite a bit lower right now. But it sure seems like the draft is a bigger crap shoot than ever before which makes the whole tank strategy that much more of a crap shoot as well.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I hope so too. Pick is only Top 1 protected next year. We'll just let you really bottom out.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Starting to look like the Bulls might get the 3 seed. Toronto has a tough week @MIA, vs HOU, vs IND. Bulls toughest games remaining are a B2B @WAS, @MIN (though they appear to have thrown in the towel already) and @CHA (might not mean anything to CHA).
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Nets have a pretty easy schedule too. Wizards as well but they are probably a little too far back.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
With Toronto having the tie-breaker on Brooklyn, it makes it damn tough. Assuming Toronto loses tonight and their lead drops to 2, the Nets would still have 3 games to make up. I'd say the worst Toronto does is 6-4 and would lean to 7-3, meaning Brooklyn pretty much has to win out. Definitely possible, but not very likely.
Hopefully 3-6 stay exactly how they are right now and Miami takes over the 1 seed.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The downside to this is that the Raptors-Wiz would be relegated to NBATV for pretty much the whole series. Would kind of suck for teams that haven't been in the playoffs for years and have been fighting for a little national attention (and maybe the occasional friendly call for their stars that comes with it). If they play the Nets or the Bulls they might get a little more exposure.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Very true, though one of them (likely Toronto
) would get the attention for 4 or 5 games in the 2nd round.I just hope I get the national, or even the NBATV, broadcast here instead of the locals. Its been so long since Toronto has had a national game, I can't remember how they do it.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Bulls and Raptors have 9 games left. If Toronto wins 6, they are probably safe from the Bulls. With 5 road games left, I doubt the Bulls can go 7-2.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm terrible at math apparently. Toronto could easily lose their next 3 and be 2 games back by the end of the week. Toronto holds the tie-breaker over Chicago as well (division winner).
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Oh, I assumed the tie-breaker was conference record (which the Bulls would probably have). I don't think you have anything to worry about unless the Raptors lose 4 or 5.
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Cliff Clavin
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Toronto should have taken a page out of Indy's playbook and done some crying. 15-6 in first half fouls and that is with a couple terrible makeup calls on Miami at the end of the half.
Shhh no one is talking about the Spurs and how they have won 18 in a row. Its all about the Heat and 76ers!
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Its the same Spurs as the last X years. You can only say so much about how good they are year in, year out. Love watching them play but what is there to really say about them?
trader jake
Footballguy
Six players from the 1999 NBA Draft are still in the Assosciation...
Shawn Marion
Elton Brand
Andre Miller
Jason Terry
Andrei Kirilenko
Manu Ginobili
Is it a slam dunk that Ginobili had the best career? If so, which player had the second best? :dunno:
Shawn Marion
Elton Brand
Andre Miller
Jason Terry
Andrei Kirilenko
Manu Ginobili
Is it a slam dunk that Ginobili had the best career? If so, which player had the second best? :dunno:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Depends how you define best career. I'd go:
Manu
Terry
Marion
Miller
Brand/Kirilenko
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Timmay
Footballguy
Can't argue with Manu being #1, but I think Marion is the 2nd best of that group.
the moops
Footballguy
Yea, 4 all-star games, 2 all-NBA teams, 1 championship, and perhaps the best all-around defender in the league for a few years.
Terry has never been to an all-star game, never been on an all-NBA team, no championships. He was one of the best three point shooters for a couple years, but that's about all he excelled at.
Terry has never been to an all-star game, never been on an all-NBA team, no championships. He was one of the best three point shooters for a couple years, but that's about all he excelled at.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Wasn't he on the same championship team as Marion?the moops said:
Agree with the rest tho.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Seasons with PER over 20:
Jason Terry: 0
Andre Miller: 2
Elton Brand: 8
Jason Terry: 0
Andre Miller: 2
Elton Brand: 8
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Yeah, I was a little quick on that. Marion definitely should be ahead of Terry.the moops said:
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I think I'd take the first 8 years of Elton Brand's career, then maybe Rip Hamilton.trader jake said:
Kev4029
Footballguy
Ginobili by a landslide. Marion, Miller and Brand would all be close for 2nd for me.trader jake said:
I'd go:
Ginobili
Marion
Brand (best peak, worst 2nd half of career)
Miller (9th all time in assists, has a chance to pass Payton and Robertson for 7th)
Terry
Kirilenko
Player comparison.
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Kev4029
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As I was looking up assist totals something really popped out at me.
Lebron James has 5754 assists, placing him at 36th all time. By the end of next year he'll have somewhere near 6300-6400, putting him somewhere around 25th next year (Chris Paul and Kobe will both probably move up the list with him). In 5 years he'll have about 8500 (obviously assuming he keeps near his current pace), placing him somewhere in the top 10 (depending on Chris Paul and Andre Miller). In 8 years he could have over 10,000 assists placing him possibly in the top 3 all time, with some chance to pass Kidd at 12,091 by the end of his career.
At the same time, he is currently 33rd all time in scoring with 22,952 points. By the end of next year he should have around 25,000 points, putting him near the top 25 all time (depending on Allen and Carter). In two years, he'll should about 27,000 points placing him near the top 12 (depending on if Duncan, Pierce and Garnett are playing). In 5 years he could get to somewhere near 31,000 to 32,000 (top 5 or 6 all time, depending on Dirk). And in 8 years he could be somewhere in the Kobe-Malone-Kareem grouping for top scorers ever.
Its possible, if somewhat unlikely, that he could end up as the top scorer of all time and 2nd in assists.
Lebron James has 5754 assists, placing him at 36th all time. By the end of next year he'll have somewhere near 6300-6400, putting him somewhere around 25th next year (Chris Paul and Kobe will both probably move up the list with him). In 5 years he'll have about 8500 (obviously assuming he keeps near his current pace), placing him somewhere in the top 10 (depending on Chris Paul and Andre Miller). In 8 years he could have over 10,000 assists placing him possibly in the top 3 all time, with some chance to pass Kidd at 12,091 by the end of his career.
At the same time, he is currently 33rd all time in scoring with 22,952 points. By the end of next year he should have around 25,000 points, putting him near the top 25 all time (depending on Allen and Carter). In two years, he'll should about 27,000 points placing him near the top 12 (depending on if Duncan, Pierce and Garnett are playing). In 5 years he could get to somewhere near 31,000 to 32,000 (top 5 or 6 all time, depending on Dirk). And in 8 years he could be somewhere in the Kobe-Malone-Kareem grouping for top scorers ever.
Its possible, if somewhat unlikely, that he could end up as the top scorer of all time and 2nd in assists.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Buck Bradcanon
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I tweeted out a screencap from my couch of something I saw on local news last night re: Tim Duncan. I have like 10 followers. It went viralish. SB Nation and such RT..
Brad = me!
Brad = me!
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Huge fan of yours.
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