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Dynasty & Redraft: WR Marqise 'albino tiger' Lee, Patriots (1 Viewer)

zamboni said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
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He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
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What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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Are you Fred Biletnikoff? Come on, man.
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It's not even accurate.
 
jurb26 said:
zamboni said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
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He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
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What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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Are you Fred Biletnikoff? Come on, man.
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It's not even accurate.
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Even if it is, just funny that any of us are in a position to truly dissect the ins and outs of an NFL receiver's ability.

 
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
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He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
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What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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This is inaccurate.
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What's inaccurate? My description of what happened? Tell us what really happened then.

 
zamboni said:
jurb26 said:
zamboni said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
Click to expand...
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
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What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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Are you Fred Biletnikoff? Come on, man.
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It's not even accurate.
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Even if it is, just funny that any of us are in a position to truly dissect the ins and outs of an NFL receiver's ability.
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It's funny that those that do simply get ridiculed. If you want to stay at on the bottom rung, that's fine. Some people are actually interested in learning the details and advancing their knowledge of football.

Are you in a position to ridicule something you have no idea on?

 
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
Click to expand...
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
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What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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This is inaccurate.
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What's inaccurate? My description of what happened? Tell us what really happened then.
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You're right it was inaccurate. Lee pinned the ball with his right wrist against his left wrist after pinning it against the CB's hand.

Lee tries to catch it "underhand". And doesn't even get his fingers on it. It hits him in the palms, sort of. The right hand of the DB actually applies pressure to "help" him trap/pin the ball. His hands eventually roll up on the ball.

It's the same horrible and sloppy technique he showed here and here. He made it look harder than it needed to be. He needs to get his hands much closer together, whether he wants to catch it underhand or "overhand". That's his #1 flaw with catching.

Besides the leaping ability and effort, tell me what was so awesome about it. and how it differs from what you were told or shown?

Oh, here is the other play I was referring to.

 
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Xue said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
Click to expand...
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
Click to expand...
What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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This is inaccurate.
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What's inaccurate? My description of what happened? Tell us what really happened then.
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You're right it was inaccurate. Lee pinned the ball with his right wrist against his left wrist after pinning it against the CB's hand.

Lee tries to catch it "underhand". And doesn't even get his fingers on it. It hits him in the palms, sort of. The right hand of the DB actually applies pressure to "help" him trap/pin the ball. His hands eventually roll up on the ball.

It's the same horrible and sloppy technique he showed here and here. He made it look harder than it needed to be. He needs to get his hands much closer together, whether he wants to catch it underhand or "overhand". That's his #1 flaw with catching.

Besides the leaping ability and effort, tell me what was so awesome about it. and how it differs from what you were told or shown?

Oh, here is the other play I was referring to.
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Oif. Glad he caught the ball, that's what matters at the end of the day, but as a HS receivers coach that underhand one makes me cringe. Can't imajine how a pro would have that technique.

 
Xue said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
Click to expand...
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
Click to expand...
What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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This is inaccurate.
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What's inaccurate? My description of what happened? Tell us what really happened then.
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You're right it was inaccurate. Lee pinned the ball with his right wrist against his left wrist after pinning it against the CB's hand.

Lee tries to catch it "underhand". And doesn't even get his fingers on it. It hits him in the palms, sort of. The right hand of the DB actually applies pressure to "help" him trap/pin the ball. His hands eventually roll up on the ball.

It's the same horrible and sloppy technique he showed here and here. He made it look harder than it needed to be. He needs to get his hands much closer together, whether he wants to catch it underhand or "overhand". That's his #1 flaw with catching.

Besides the leaping ability and effort, tell me what was so awesome about it. and how it differs from what you were told or shown?

Oh, here is the other play I was referring to.
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I don't contest the second play. It was poor on his part. The leaping catch he used the proper hand technique for that play, though. He was leaping overtop of the DB who had better position on an under thrown and poorly placed ball. He has to use an underhand technique because of the ball placement and the DBs position. There is no way for him to get full extension of his arms and keep an upper hand position in this scenario. Not only that, but using the underhand position is what allows for him to scoop the ball away from the DB who has better position and also gets his hands on that ball. Had he used an upper hand position he does not make that catch as he both loses leverage and extension. Yes he pins the ball later because the DB disturbs the catch process, as he should have. Lee makes the catch still because he fully extended, scooped and displays great concentration to follow the ball in the whole way.

 
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Some good thoughts here, but I don't think we have enough of a body of work at the pro level to say he has bad technique. The videos show some instances in college where he didn't attack the ball well enough, but that was then.

 
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
Click to expand...
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
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What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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This is inaccurate.
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What's inaccurate? My description of what happened? Tell us what really happened then.
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You're right it was inaccurate. Lee pinned the ball with his right wrist against his left wrist after pinning it against the CB's hand.

Lee tries to catch it "underhand". And doesn't even get his fingers on it. It hits him in the palms, sort of. The right hand of the DB actually applies pressure to "help" him trap/pin the ball. His hands eventually roll up on the ball.

It's the same horrible and sloppy technique he showed here and here. He made it look harder than it needed to be. He needs to get his hands much closer together, whether he wants to catch it underhand or "overhand". That's his #1 flaw with catching.

Besides the leaping ability and effort, tell me what was so awesome about it. and how it differs from what you were told or shown?

Oh, here is the other play I was referring to.
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I don't contest the second play. It was poor on his part.The leaping catch he used the proper hand technique for that play, though. He was leaping overtop of the DB who had better position on an under thrown and poorly placed ball. He has to use an underhand technique because of the ball placement and the DBs position. There is no way for him to get full extension of his arms and keep an upper hand position in this scenario. Not only that, but using the underhand position is what allows for him to scoop the ball away from the DB who has better position and also gets his hands on that ball. Had he used an upper hand position he does not make that catch as he both loses leverage and extension. Yes he pins the ball later because the DB disturbs the catch process, as he should have. Lee makes the catch still because he fully extended, scooped and displays great concentration to follow the ball in the whole way.
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It's actually easier to extend and keep the arms extended in an upper hand position. Try doing a pushup "underhand". It's harder to fully extend the arms.

Look at this photo again. If his hand is in the upper hand position, the ball hits his fingers. It's chest high. It's not waist high. Catching with your fingers is the proper way to catch, because the fingers are softer than the palms. I'd go as far to say that this is probably a drop if the DB doesn't get his hand between Lee's arms/hands.

You didn't answer the last question. How does this catch not match "what you were told"?

 
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Lee has looked good in each of the last 2 games. Just made an awesome leaping catch deep downfield overtop a CB. A play we were told he can't make.
Click to expand...
He showed very good leaping ability, but still used the same poor technique he did in college. There was an incompletion on a short Out route that he could have came up but he used the same poor technique as well. I think someone told you that as well. Seems like a pattern here.
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What was wrong with the technique?
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Both instances, he used "underhand" technique. Should have squared his hands so he can snatch the ball. On the leaping catch, he actually pinned the ball against the DB's hand. He should have snatched the ball and pull it over the DB's hand allowing him to run after the catch. On the Out route, he tried to pull the ball in and trap against his shoulder. Should have extended with the hands square and catch it against the sideline running out of bounds.
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This is inaccurate.
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What's inaccurate? My description of what happened? Tell us what really happened then.
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You're right it was inaccurate. Lee pinned the ball with his right wrist against his left wrist after pinning it against the CB's hand.

Lee tries to catch it "underhand". And doesn't even get his fingers on it. It hits him in the palms, sort of. The right hand of the DB actually applies pressure to "help" him trap/pin the ball. His hands eventually roll up on the ball.

It's the same horrible and sloppy technique he showed here and here. He made it look harder than it needed to be. He needs to get his hands much closer together, whether he wants to catch it underhand or "overhand". That's his #1 flaw with catching.

Besides the leaping ability and effort, tell me what was so awesome about it. and how it differs from what you were told or shown?

Oh, here is the other play I was referring to.
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I don't contest the second play. It was poor on his part.The leaping catch he used the proper hand technique for that play, though. He was leaping overtop of the DB who had better position on an under thrown and poorly placed ball. He has to use an underhand technique because of the ball placement and the DBs position. There is no way for him to get full extension of his arms and keep an upper hand position in this scenario. Not only that, but using the underhand position is what allows for him to scoop the ball away from the DB who has better position and also gets his hands on that ball. Had he used an upper hand position he does not make that catch as he both loses leverage and extension. Yes he pins the ball later because the DB disturbs the catch process, as he should have. Lee makes the catch still because he fully extended, scooped and displays great concentration to follow the ball in the whole way.
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It's actually easier to extend and keep the arms extended in an upper hand position. Try doing a pushup "underhand". It's harder to fully extend the arms.

Look at this photo again. If his hand is in the upper hand position, the ball hits his fingers. It's chest high. It's not waist high. Catching with your fingers is the proper way to catch, because the fingers are softer than the palms. I'd go as far to say that this is probably a drop if the DB doesn't get his hand between Lee's arms/hands.

You didn't answer the last question. How does this catch not match "what you were told"?
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This isn't a push up and your not trying to use chest muscles to catch. They don't relate. The objective to using the upper hand motion is to create a diamond and secure the ball inside of that diamond, using the strongest hand muscle... The thumb as the foundation. There is virtually no way to extend his hands outwardly enough to create such a position in this circumstance. He is also needing to fight the downward force of the DB and scoop the ball away.

You think it's probably a drop if the DB doesn't knock it away? This is why I don't really even think it's worth while going down this path with you. Lee essentially caught this ball 2x. Before the DB hit it and then after.

It deviates from what we've been told because it's the proper hand position, he's making plays outside and making contested catches.

 
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As a Lee owner here is my rebuttal to Xue. Maybe Lee does have poor technique. At the same time, look at what he is doing the last couple of games. How much better will he be when his technique improves. I think the future rests with how hard he is willing to work. I'm happy with his rookie season thus far.

 
Ravens signed CB Antoine Cason.
Desperation strikes, as the Ravens have lost five cornerbacks due to injury this season and released two others due to poor play. The latest casualties were Danny Gorrer (knee) and Anthony Levine (concussion). So they'll give Cason a shot even though he was arguably the worst corner in the NFL this season before getting dumped by the Panthers last week.
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Ravens CB Lardarius Webb is a candidate for offseason release.
Webb is due an $8 million base salary in 2015. He's struggled with injuries and has been a liability in coverage, grading out as a bottom-12 corner by PFF.
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Ravens placed LCB Danny Gorrer on injured reserve with a torn MCL and PCL, ending his season.
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Ravens DB Anthony Levine was forced from Baltimore's Week 14 game against the Dolphins with a concussion.
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Ravens activated CB Asa Jackson off injured reserve/designated to return.
Jackson was a disaster before injuring his toe Week 5 against the Colts, but the injury-ravaged Ravens will welcome him back with open arms
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Ravens RCB Jimmy Smith's season-ending foot injury was of the "Lisfranc" variety.
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Rotoworld:

Marqise Lee - WR - Jaguars

Marqise Lee caught 4-of-6 targets for 65 yards in the Jags' Week 16 win over the Titans.

Lee led the Jags in receiving on a night where the team generated just 111 net yards through the air. Lee showed some nice explosion after the catch, and continues to look more and more like the stud he was at USC. He'll be an interesting daily-league dart throw in Week 17 against the Texans' shoddy secondary.

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Thought he looked the part last night (although Bortles did not). Shorts has regressed from what I've see this year. Capped upside for the immediate future but would be a good WR3 next year at least, with a bright dynasty future.

 
It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.

 
jurb26 said:
It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.
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And Blackmon, depending on how his future is settled. He is clearly more talented than both Lee and Robinson, so if he does come back, I can see 1 of those 2 (likely Lee due to his slot presence and Blackmon excelled there) being left out.

 
Zyphros said:
jurb26 said:
It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.
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And Blackmon, depending on how his future is settled. He is clearly more talented than both Lee and Robinson, so if he does come back, I can see 1 of those 2 (likely Lee due to his slot presence and Blackmon excelled there) being left out.
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Everybody has forgot about Blackmon...

 
cloppbeast said:
Zyphros said:
jurb26 said:
It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.
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And Blackmon, depending on how his future is settled. He is clearly more talented than both Lee and Robinson, so if he does come back, I can see 1 of those 2 (likely Lee due to his slot presence and Blackmon excelled there) being left out.
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Everybody has forgot about Blackmon...
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Haven't forgotten him. Just don't think his future is with Jax. He may be lucky to have a future in the NFL. We'll see.
 
jurb26 said:
cloppbeast said:
Zyphros said:
jurb26 said:
It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.
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And Blackmon, depending on how his future is settled. He is clearly more talented than both Lee and Robinson, so if he does come back, I can see 1 of those 2 (likely Lee due to his slot presence and Blackmon excelled there) being left out.
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Everybody has forgot about Blackmon...
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Haven't forgotten him. Just don't think his future is with Jax. He may be lucky to have a future in the NFL. We'll see.
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Don't you think they would have released him already? They had the perfect opportunity.

 
cloppbeast said:
jurb26 said:
cloppbeast said:
Zyphros said:
jurb26 said:
It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.
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And Blackmon, depending on how his future is settled. He is clearly more talented than both Lee and Robinson, so if he does come back, I can see 1 of those 2 (likely Lee due to his slot presence and Blackmon excelled there) being left out.
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Everybody has forgot about Blackmon...
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Haven't forgotten him. Just don't think his future is with Jax. He may be lucky to have a future in the NFL. We'll see.
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Don't you think they would have released him already? They had the perfect opportunity.
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I haven't a clue what they are thinking behind the scenes. I just don't think it's good that they drafted both Lee and Robinson. I also don't think he's likely over his issue. Koren Robinson keeps coming to mind.
 
Per PFF, Marqise Lee dropped 6 out of 43 catchable passes (13.95%) for the season. The worst mark for all Rookie WRs with 40+ targets. He had 61 targets on the season.

 
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Per PFF, Marqise Lee dropped 6 out of 43 catchable passes (13.95%) for the season. The worst mark for all Rookie WRs with 40+ targets. He had 61 targets on the season.
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Interesting. Small sample size, hard to extrapolate from 43 catchable passes. Also heavily dependent on who gets to determine what is catchable and what isn't.

 
I'm a Lee fan. After watching him in college and as a rookie. I think he's going to develop into a productive WR2 fantasy wise

 
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
Per PFF, Marqise Lee dropped 6 out of 43 catchable passes (13.95%) for the season. The worst mark for all Rookie WRs with 40+ targets. He had 61 targets on the season.
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Yet this site has him at about half that rate. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/
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Where is column that says "catchable passes"
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Pretty simple, if it hits the players hands it was deemed catchable. Less subjective than this "catchable passes" criteria for which we have no idea how consistently it is applied.
 
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
Per PFF, Marqise Lee dropped 6 out of 43 catchable passes (13.95%) for the season. The worst mark for all Rookie WRs with 40+ targets. He had 61 targets on the season.
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Yet this site has him at about half that rate. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/
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Where is column that says "catchable passes"
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Pretty simple, if it hits the players hands it was deemed catchable. Less subjective than this "catchable passes" criteria for which we have no idea how consistently it is applied.
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Where is the column that says "passes that hit player's hands"? How about the column "drops from defender deflection"? Or "drops because they didn't turn around in time?"You're free to gather your own data if you have NFL Rewind. It would really take the subjectivity out of it, right?

Or ask someone at PFF about their methodology on drops.

 
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It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.
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Why is it looking like Hurns is the odd man out? He is the rookie WR who stayed healthiest and had the most receptions, yards, and Tds. He also showed a penchant for being able to make big plays and catch horrible passes.

 
az_prof said:
jurb26 said:
It's looking like the future of Jax WR is going to be Lee and Robinson. Not sure what happens to Hurns. He seems like a decent player but odd man out.
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Why is it looking like Hurns is the odd man out? He is the rookie WR who stayed healthiest and had the most receptions, yards, and Tds. He also showed a penchant for being able to make big plays and catch horrible passes.
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1. He played behind the other WRs when others were healthy2. His biggest advantage early on - an OC whose scheme he was familiar with from college - just got fired

 
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
jurb26 said:
Xue said:
Per PFF, Marqise Lee dropped 6 out of 43 catchable passes (13.95%) for the season. The worst mark for all Rookie WRs with 40+ targets. He had 61 targets on the season.
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Yet this site has him at about half that rate. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/
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Where is column that says "catchable passes"
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Pretty simple, if it hits the players hands it was deemed catchable. Less subjective than this "catchable passes" criteria for which we have no idea how consistently it is applied.
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I just watched all of Lee's targets. If that's your criteria, then he had 7 drops and 2 more questionable ones.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZvkAmrJh6HXnbksXYqZbqjGJ2OAXr-ROe_IGMDGWG1Y/edit?usp=sharing

 
Re-drafting the 2014 wide receiver class

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Marqise Lee, Jacksonville JaguarsBilled as college football's top receiver after a standout sophomore season at USC, Lee shows the problem with evaluating players on just a few game's worth of film.

After battling a rash of injuries his junior season, Lee was waylaid by a hamstring pull early in his rookie year. He was a massive disappointment through mid-November, dropping passes, missing his assignments and failing to make plays. He came alive in Week 13, though, finally showcasing the explosive run-after-catch ability for which he's known.

Lee played all over the formation late in the season, but is best utilized on shallow, high-percentage routes. Because he lacks size and physicality, Lee will struggle to come down with contested passes in the end zone or the down the field.

The Question: Is his skill set best-suited to the slot?

The Jaguars envision Lee as their "Z" receiver, but I wonder if he's physical enough to succeed there in the NFL. His best role might be the slot, where he can take advantage of his YAC (yards after catch) ability on quick-hitters.

Comparison: Greg Jennings starter kit
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Rotoworld:

The Jaguars believe they gave Marqise Lee "too much too soon" as a rookie.

"Well, some of it was our fault," WRs coach Jerry Sullivan said of Lee's uneven rookie year. "We gave him too much too soon." Lee's main issue was staying healthy, which he admits hurt his confidence. He expects better as a sophomore. "I think I’ve got a good grasp of it," Lee said of the NFL. "Now I fully know what you need to do and how to handle situations." Lee will begin the season in the WR4 conversation.

Source: ESPN.com

May 18 - 3:04 PM
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Rotoworld:

Jaguars WR Marqise Lee injured his knee in Phase 2 of the offseason program and is listed as "week to week."

It's a poor start to the offseason for Lee, who was very disappointing as a rookie despite a major opportunity. His 1.28 yards per route run ranked 71st among 90 qualifiers in PFF's metrics as he struggled with nagging injuries. Lee projects for a big role as the "Z" behind "X" Allen Robinson again this year, but we're not optimistic about a leap forward.

Source: John Oehser on Twitter
May 26 - 11:51 AM
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Im about ready to slap the injury prone label on this kid. He cant stay healthy to save his life. Glad I moved him last season. Good riddance.

 
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