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Wise Old Owl
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No one is ever going to be able to understand why Payton does anything or accurately predict his decisions. That said, when Ingram is healthy this year, he has gotten the bulk of the carries, including most at the goalline. I'm sure Thomas will outperform him on occasion, so will Robinson, but if you want most consistent option (by saints rb standards) you want Ingram.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
it's hard to stay angry over a month vacation
Chaka
Footballguy
Well the guy who went 3-26 only got 3 touches compared to Ingram's 10 carries and 3 targets so that suggests something close to anointing. In addition the guy that went 3-26 also fumbled.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't see how that sort of YPC average is at all sustainable to people that want to keep their jobs, etc. Ingram has looked better this year, but he's been hurt already and just pulled an Ingram with respect to YPA.
TheFanatic
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The guy only started 3 games last year and you act like finishing RB61 is an indictment. He only started 5 games in 2012.Oh, man. I love this. Offering my opinion on a guy that was drafted in the first round to an NFL team and just can't seem to crack that RB32 position.I normally keep my mouth shut but you look pretty lame. Now puff away with you.Who's trolling here? What has Ingram ever, ever done other than in garbage time? Please. I'll hang up and listen...At least you got the numbers right this time. Troll on.OH! OH! WAIT! 12 for 29! 12/29 = 2.4 YPT. 2.4!!!!Well, your "stats" from this week are wrong to begin with, but your statement "sounds like Ingram" is absurd.Yes, you're looking right up at his stats from this week. For sure.
Sounds like Ingram.
eta* Oh, you love Lacy, too. Here, here you go. https://twitter.com/finebaum
eta* RB61 last year. RB 32 in 2012, by standard scoring. Nice work.
His first two years in the league, he averaged a very mediocre 3.9 yards per carry each year. Last year he upped it to 4.9 and this year it's 4.7. Something has clicked inside this kid who is only 24. Sorry you got burned by him in the past and sold low. Your sour grapes have fermented into a trollfest by you. I'm sorry you missed the boat on this one and jumped ship too early.
rockaction
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The guy only started 3 games last year and you act like finishing RB61 is an indictment. He only started 5 games in 2012.Oh, man. I love this. Offering my opinion on a guy that was drafted in the first round to an NFL team and just can't seem to crack that RB32 position.I normally keep my mouth shut but you look pretty lame. Now puff away with you.Who's trolling here? What has Ingram ever, ever done other than in garbage time? Please. I'll hang up and listen...At least you got the numbers right this time. Troll on.OH! OH! WAIT! 12 for 29! 12/29 = 2.4 YPT. 2.4!!!!Well, your "stats" from this week are wrong to begin with, but your statement "sounds like Ingram" is absurd.Yes, you're looking right up at his stats from this week. For sure.
Sounds like Ingram.
eta* Oh, you love Lacy, too. Here, here you go. https://twitter.com/finebaum
eta* RB61 last year. RB 32 in 2012, by standard scoring. Nice work.
His first two years in the league, he averaged a very mediocre 3.9 yards per carry each year. Last year he upped it to 4.9 and this year it's 4.7. Something has clicked inside this kid who is only 24. Sorry you got burned by him in the past and sold low. Your sour grapes have fermented into a trollfest by you. I'm sorry you missed the boat on this one and jumped ship too early.
I never, ever drafted this guy. Ever. Did I say never? I meant ever. I've never had him on my team.
eta* Because normally, you want to draft small, slow guys with "exceptional vision" into terrible FF situations.
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I agree, although it seems like that had a lot to do with Thomas getting hurt in the 3rd qtr. I think he only had 4 touches up until then and Thomas had 10.
Ditka Butkus
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Robinsons 2nd fumble of the short season should only help Ingram regain his starting role....As others have said, nobody should have expected much after a month layoff against the Lions run D...Bring on the Packers....
TheFanatic
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Don't believe that you have never owned him for a second. You're too butt hurt about this guy to pretend to be impartial on this.
I never, ever drafted this guy. Ever. Did I say never? I meant ever. I've never had him on my team.
eta* Because normally, you want to draft small, slow guys with "exceptional vision" into terrible FF situations.
And small, slow guys don't average over 4.7 YPC over two seasons. If you see slow and small (5'9" and 215) then you need new glasses. He may have played slow and small his first two seasons, but something is different from the end of last year, through training camp and into this year.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
did he get bigger?Don't believe that you have never owned him for a second. You're too butt hurt about this guy to pretend to be impartial on this.
I never, ever drafted this guy. Ever. Did I say never? I meant ever. I've never had him on my team.
eta* Because normally, you want to draft small, slow guys with "exceptional vision" into terrible FF situations.
And small, slow guys don't average over 4.7 YPC over two seasons. If you see slow and small (5'9" and 215) then you need new glasses. He may have played slow and small his first two seasons, but something is different from the end of last year, through training camp and into this year.
TheFanatic
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Is 5'9" 215 small? Marshawn Lynch is 215 and Peterson is 217. Lynch is 5'11" and Peterson is 6'1". He's actually thicker than the two of them. He's not tall, but he's not small either.did he get bigger?Don't believe that you have never owned him for a second. You're too butt hurt about this guy to pretend to be impartial on this.
I never, ever drafted this guy. Ever. Did I say never? I meant ever. I've never had him on my team.
eta* Because normally, you want to draft small, slow guys with "exceptional vision" into terrible FF situations.
And small, slow guys don't average over 4.7 YPC over two seasons. If you see slow and small (5'9" and 215) then you need new glasses. He may have played slow and small his first two seasons, but something is different from the end of last year, through training camp and into this year.
shadyridr
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rockaction
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Never. Ever. And I meant small in height. Small and plodding and thick. Laughed when the Patriots passed on him and they traded down for Vereen and Ridley. They were desperate for an RB at the time, everybody had them picking Ingram, and they traded out of their spot to avoid him.Is 5'9" 215 small? Marshawn Lynch is 215 and Peterson is 217. Lynch is 5'11" and Peterson is 6'1". He's actually thicker than the two of them. He's not tall, but he's not small either.did he get bigger?Don't believe that you have never owned him for a second. You're too butt hurt about this guy to pretend to be impartial on this.
I never, ever drafted this guy. Ever. Did I say never? I meant ever. I've never had him on my team.
eta* Because normally, you want to draft small, slow guys with "exceptional vision" into terrible FF situations.
And small, slow guys don't average over 4.7 YPC over two seasons. If you see slow and small (5'9" and 215) then you need new glasses. He may have played slow and small his first two seasons, but something is different from the end of last year, through training camp and into this year.
But I've done this in other threads. IIRC, my top picks in one mock "prove it" were Vereen and Ridley over Ingram. Hey, if Ingram makes your fantasy team work, he makes it work. He's been a crappy back so far.
SproutDaddy
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Rocation go away. You've literally filled this thread with piss. Go pat yourself on the back.
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rockaction
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karmarooster
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I know you've been just trolling for the past page and a half, but Ingram remains the #11 RB on a PPG basis, including yesterday's poor showing.
It's a rare fantasy player that can elicit this degree of hatred from the community (DMC, Tebow).
In any case, you have contributed nothing but argument and generally lowered the quality of the discussion in here. I'm not sure why you love it so much that a good run defense shut down Ingram (as was expected) in his first game back in about a month.
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rockaction
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Congrats for cherry picking. I've completely lowered the discussion.
eta* Heck, I bumped the discussion.
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karmarooster
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Without being passive aggressive, can you explain why a PPG analysis is not relevant to a player who has missed 4/7 games? I suspect most people did not play him when he was out, and for the games he's played this year, he's been an RB1.
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chad in Indy
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What was your expectation against a Detroit Defense that is only giving up roughly 70 yds rushing a game and no Jimmy Graham to worry about? I expected the coaches to ease him back in. I think Thomas was game planned given his versatility as a pass catcher and not having Graham game ready.
I personally don't expect him to put up gaudy numbers for the season, but I think he is definitely a great RB2/flex player if he slides back into his role he had at the beginning of the season. I don't really care what his metrics are if he puts up points. I'm perfectly happy with him getting garbage time yds and goal line looks. His upcoming schedule is as good as it gets all the way through fantasy playoffs. Thomas's shoulder injury only solidifies his role even more.
A floor of 65+ yds and a 60% chance at a TD are odds worth betting on for a weekly flex.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I understand your simple mid can't comprehend that no one wants to read your dribble except you. No one is hurt, just annoyed. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
rockaction
Footballguy
It's relevant, but the point is that he's missed four out of seven games. I wasn't harping on his PPG. I'm harping on his overall performance, and I still don't think he's a good back.
It's that simple. I hate to root against people, but sometimes when people are overhyped and shoved down one's throat, one gets sick of it. Especially with respect to another lousy 'Bama back. That's my motive. I never thought this guy should have won the Heisman, and never thought 'Bama should have been in a championship or two. One can thank Kaep for that.
Perhaps it's me. I bumped the thread. This guy now probably goes off with Thomas out and no receiving core to speak of. Not a bad FF situation for him.
rockaction
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TheFanatic
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I get that completely. I did the same thing with Reggie Bush. I thought he was overhyped. He sucked bad in New Orleans as well. But he also turned it around in Miami and I had to admit he was playing well. The fact is, Ingram is playing well. Yesterday, after a month off and coming off an injury he didn't look good, but nobody looks all that great against Detroit these days.rockaction said:
rockaction
Footballguy
No, I get it. Overhyped from an FF perspective this year, no. But in general, this has been going on for years. I'll bow out now. Let the results speak for themselves. If I'm wrong, I'll come back and eat crow.
Everybody loves a late-round RB done good. I don't want to rain on the parade. I just dislike him as a back, and want him to prove me wrong.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I was quite surprised he got in the amount of work he did his 1st game back....I would have thought the distribution between him and Robinson would have been reversed.chad in Indy said:
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
Sure it does. If the Packers get up big early like they've been doing then Ingram likely sits on the bench in favor of a pass catching back.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
This is part of New Orleans problems IMO...Peyton never establishes a running game and puts all the pressure on Brees arm...I'm afraid those days may be coming to an end....He may want to consider a little ball control and time management.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Chaka
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rockaction
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
he had 9 carries for a total of 2 yards, and another run of 14 yds --- is averaging those 10 data points supposed to give us any meaningful info?
he had runs behind or outside the left tackle of -3, -4, 1, -3, and 1 yard
the problem with ingram has been the volume, and if he continues to get 10 carries it doesn't much matter what kind of index you cook up for his stats
shadyridr
Footballguy
sounds like montee ball
ZWK
Footballguy
Throwing out the 14 yarder and just looking at the 9 carries for 2 yards, Ingram averaged -1.6 yards before contact and 1.8 yards after contact.
The "kept getting hit in the backfield" story holds up. The "pretty good yards after contact" story is unclear: 1.8 is below average for RBs as a whole but within the normal range (unlike 0.2 yards per carry), and my guess is that it would look pretty good if you compared it to other RBs after removing the top 10% of their carries.
Cliffs:
Getting hit in the backfield is bad for RB performance.
Getting 10 carries in a game is bad for fantasy RB performance.
The DET rush defense is very good.
My supposition:
Sean Payton is overrated and I think it's funny as hell that they lost, arguably, because he had them throwing the ball with a <7 point lead late in the game and it was picked off.
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BigSteelThrill
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Now would be a great time to buy Ingram... particularly if the Khiry handcuff comes with him.
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Ian RapoportVerified account@RapSheet
More #Saintshttps://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash bad news: They will lose RB Pierre Thomas for 2-3 weeks with a shoulder injury, I'm told. He left Sunday's game early.
More #Saintshttps://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash bad news: They will lose RB Pierre Thomas for 2-3 weeks with a shoulder injury, I'm told. He left Sunday's game early.
Area51Inhabitant
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I know that before Ingram got hurt, he had been quite vocal about wanting to see a few more touches in the passing game. Just maybe he'll now get his wish.
