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Do NFL Cheerleaders deserve minimum wage? (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth said:
Bri, that's exactly what a contract is though, you are signing away something. Now as you state, if the pool of labor is overflowing, obviously that drives down the price. But then again I don't want the quality to suffer.
This is true and a very scary statement in general. A little off topic but as automation increases the pool of labor will continue to overflow. Which means what? Everybody's pay is going to stagnate or drop.

They should pay them more just because it's the right thing to do. Just because you can get away with severely exploiting somebody doesn't mean you should.
that's certainly one opinion, but not usually how businesses work.
Right, which is why we have governments to do things like create work rules and minimum wages. The natural tendency of corporations is an exploitative one, and only the nuttiest 16-year-old who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time believes that the interest of the people is best served by letting corporations do whatever they want.
That is very true. I am not against rules on age/hours/safe conditions etc. But there are lots of situations where different rules apply to different jobs, this is one of them. Internships are another (and very similar).

This isn't coal mining or working in the fast-food industry. This is a 100% non-essential position that affords the folks in the position significant career advantages which are MORE valuable than the salary.

 
Sabertooth said:
Bri, that's exactly what a contract is though, you are signing away something. Now as you state, if the pool of labor is overflowing, obviously that drives down the price. But then again I don't want the quality to suffer.
This is true and a very scary statement in general. A little off topic but as automation increases the pool of labor will continue to overflow. Which means what? Everybody's pay is going to stagnate or drop.

They should pay them more just because it's the right thing to do. Just because you can get away with severely exploiting somebody doesn't mean you should.
that's certainly one opinion, but not usually how businesses work.
Right, which is why we have governments to do things like create work rules and minimum wages. The natural tendency of corporations is an exploitative one, and only the nuttiest 16-year-old who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time believes that the interest of the people is best served by letting corporations do whatever they want.
That is very true. I am not against rules on age/hours/safe conditions etc. But there are lots of situations where different rules apply to different jobs, this is one of them. Internships are another (and very similar).

This isn't coal mining or working in the fast-food industry. This is a 100% non-essential position that affords the folks in the position significant career advantages which are MORE valuable than the salary.
Pre-professional internships are not at all analogous to live performances by entertainers. Pre-professionals are learning new, specific skills they will need in their careers; performers are using skills they've already developed (or they wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place).

This is why actors have unions, and it may be that the cheerleaders will need one, as well.

 
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A union would help. They should do whatever they can to join the players union if that's possible. Negotiating at the same time would give them more leverage.

 
Do NFL Cheerleaders deserve minimum wage?
I think $300/hr is the going rate.

But seriously these are typically really nice girls who are often things like teachers, married and whatnot. It wouldn't kill these billion dollar teams to give them a minimum, which is what part timers gets tending bar and fast food joints. They're an asset for the teams for sure.

 
Sabertooth said:
Bri, that's exactly what a contract is though, you are signing away something. Now as you state, if the pool of labor is overflowing, obviously that drives down the price. But then again I don't want the quality to suffer.
This is true and a very scary statement in general. A little off topic but as automation increases the pool of labor will continue to overflow. Which means what? Everybody's pay is going to stagnate or drop.

They should pay them more just because it's the right thing to do. Just because you can get away with severely exploiting somebody doesn't mean you should.
that's certainly one opinion, but not usually how businesses work.
Right, which is why we have governments to do things like create work rules and minimum wages. The natural tendency of corporations is an exploitative one, and only the nuttiest 16-year-old who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time believes that the interest of the people is best served by letting corporations do whatever they want.
That is very true. I am not against rules on age/hours/safe conditions etc. But there are lots of situations where different rules apply to different jobs, this is one of them. Internships are another (and very similar).This isn't coal mining or working in the fast-food industry. This is a 100% non-essential position that affords the folks in the position significant career advantages which are MORE valuable than the salary.
Pre-professional internships are not at all analogous to live performances by entertainers. Pre-professionals are learning new, specific skills they will need in their careers; performers are using skills they've already developed (or they wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place).

This is why actors have unions, and it may be that the cheerleaders will need one, as well.
So, drinks and tips should suffice then?

 
Do I think they should make more money?? Yeah probably, but if they win a lawsuit on this then................well nevermind, we all know our legal system is full of idiots with no common sense anyway.
I think most people with common sense would assume that the minimum wage reflects the minimum amount you can legally pay someone in wages. "We could find someone to do the job for less than that" isn't a legal argument.
There's plenty of jobs out there where the emplyoyer pays less than minimum wage. Lot in the service industry. Even strippers at certain places have to PAY to be able to work there. Granted all these workes get tips. But these cheerleaders also get perks as well.

If they win a lawsuit that allows them to make minimum wage so be it, can't argue too much on that I guess.

But again, this isn't a job people go after to make ends meet.
Why shouldn't it be a job people go after to make ends meet? If there's as much competition for the opportunities as you say, it actually should be a really well-paid job.
I am no expert in workforce supply and demand, but it appears you know far less about it then I do.

Not to mention they provide no tangible service whatsoever.

 
Sabertooth said:
Bri, that's exactly what a contract is though, you are signing away something. Now as you state, if the pool of labor is overflowing, obviously that drives down the price. But then again I don't want the quality to suffer.
This is true and a very scary statement in general. A little off topic but as automation increases the pool of labor will continue to overflow. Which means what? Everybody's pay is going to stagnate or drop.

They should pay them more just because it's the right thing to do. Just because you can get away with severely exploiting somebody doesn't mean you should.
that's certainly one opinion, but not usually how businesses work.
Right, which is why we have governments to do things like create work rules and minimum wages. The natural tendency of corporations is an exploitative one, and only the nuttiest 16-year-old who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time believes that the interest of the people is best served by letting corporations do whatever they want.
Sure. But then the comment should be "the government should make the teams pay cheerleaders more because it's in society's interest to do so"

Which is still questionable but that seems to be one of the opinions.
It usually takes time for this to develop though.

Few people bark when a new company pays a meager salary, but when they are a well established company raking in profits for years the mindset changes.

Cheerleaders are hard to tag here as to what service they provide but I think it leads toward promotional like advertising. "Everyone" knows the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. In high school and many colleges, the cheerleaders do a fabulous of job of drumming up support and 12th man noise at games. I don't know that that's true in the NFL so I'm going to stick to the marketing angle. A marketing rep that helped promote your business for a decade and build it into a name "everyone" knows, should be able to ask for more money. Initially, it doesn't seem to invite any request.

 
What's the average career length of a cheerleader? If it's 4 years like the NFL players, then that creates a unique group of employees. The employer won't often have anyone that's been there a long time

 
What's the average career length of a cheerleader? If it's 4 years like the NFL players, then that creates a unique group of employees. The employer won't often have anyone that's been there a long time
NFL player average career length is 6 years.

 
Sabertooth said:
Bri, that's exactly what a contract is though, you are signing away something. Now as you state, if the pool of labor is overflowing, obviously that drives down the price. But then again I don't want the quality to suffer.
This is true and a very scary statement in general. A little off topic but as automation increases the pool of labor will continue to overflow. Which means what? Everybody's pay is going to stagnate or drop.

They should pay them more just because it's the right thing to do. Just because you can get away with severely exploiting somebody doesn't mean you should.
that's certainly one opinion, but not usually how businesses work.
Right, which is why we have governments to do things like create work rules and minimum wages. The natural tendency of corporations is an exploitative one, and only the nuttiest 16-year-old who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time believes that the interest of the people is best served by letting corporations do whatever they want.
Sure. But then the comment should be "the government should make the teams pay cheerleaders more because it's in society's interest to do so"Which is still questionable but that seems to be one of the opinions.
It usually takes time for this to develop though.Few people bark when a new company pays a meager salary, but when they are a well established company raking in profits for years the mindset changes.

Cheerleaders are hard to tag here as to what service they provide but I think it leads toward promotional like advertising. "Everyone" knows the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. In high school and many colleges, the cheerleaders do a fabulous of job of drumming up support and 12th man noise at games. I don't know that that's true in the NFL so I'm going to stick to the marketing angle. A marketing rep that helped promote your business for a decade and build it into a name "everyone" knows, should be able to ask for more money. Initially, it doesn't seem to invite any request.
You seem to be talking about individuals, which I'll agree if that person brings value to the company, she will be in a position to negotiate for more.

How much does the sandwich board guy on the corner make? His working conditions are worse.

 
MoveToSkypager said:
Greg Russell said:
Bri said:
What's the average career length of a cheerleader? If it's 4 years like the NFL players, then that creates a unique group of employees. The employer won't often have anyone that's been there a long time
NFL player average career length is 6 years.
What's the requirement for NFL player? 1 gameday roster?
Depends on the source of the number. The two most cited numbers are NLFPA head DeMaurice Smith's 3.5 years, and NFL Communication's 6 years.

The NFL's number is the average career length of players who made an opening day roster in their rookie season. They also give career lengths for first round picks who made a roster, and some other classes like that. The NFL's number for rookies was confirmed by the media using PFR... their number for first round picks the media got something close but not exactly the same.

The NFLPA's 3.5 number is... well, calling it an average career length is a great example of using statistics to lie. Another way to describe it would be BS meant to sway the public during the CBA negotiations.

When you hear "average career length" without other qualifier, you are right to expect the number is how many years a player plays before retiring. That isn't what the NFLPA's number is. They gave their data set to a couple of members of the media (Jason Lisk and Steph Stradley) who found the NFLPA's figure was number of accrued seasons to date of active players at the time they did the survey. So that 3.5 number that was calculated in 2010 included Sam Bradford, Ndamukong Suh and every other member of the 2010 draft class who made the league with a career length of 0. The 3.5 number is actually "average number of accrued seasons so far by players currently in the league". Not "average length of an NFL career".

I haven't heard the 6.86 number before, not sure the source.

 
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UNreal. Obviously a good many folks in here oppose minimum wage at all. It artificially inflates the market after all. Sickening.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.

http://www.ehow.com/info_10013462_things-need-nfl-cheerleader.html

Since NFL cheerleading positions are not full-time jobs, many organizations require that candidates are either already employed, attending college or taking care of a home and a family. Once again, the requirements vary between organizations.

 
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MoveToSkypager said:
Greg Russell said:
Bri said:
What's the average career length of a cheerleader? If it's 4 years like the NFL players, then that creates a unique group of employees. The employer won't often have anyone that's been there a long time
NFL player average career length is 6 years.
What's the requirement for NFL player? 1 gameday roster?
some teams have age limits, I think the Pats have a cutoff of 26 or 28.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
As an aside, and not aiming this comment at you (I don't have any clue how you even feel on the subject)...

But I found myself wondering how many people would agree with you on every one of those points when applied to cheerleaders, but would argue against every point if they were applied as reasons why college football players don't need to be paid. They pretty much all apply. There's thousands of lower division players who would love to get the current player's compensation and take their spot, and the benefits about being able to say they are a football player for the college are there, and the coaching they receive plus the free opportunity for education are huge perks.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
Look, it's pretty simple. We have a national law that everyone who works an honest day's work deserves an honest day's pay. NFL teams can afford it. To refuse to pay this tiny pittance is both bad PR and bad karma.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
As an aside, and not aiming this comment at you (I don't have any clue how you even feel on the subject)...

But I found myself wondering how many people would agree with you on every one of those points when applied to cheerleaders, but would argue against every point if they were applied as reasons why college football players don't need to be paid. They pretty much all apply. There's thousands of lower division players who would love to get the current player's compensation and take their spot, and the benefits about being able to say they are a football player for the college are there, and the coaching they receive plus the free opportunity for education are huge perks.
Except that football players at big colleges make millions for their school. Not sure how much cheerleaders make for the team, Steelers don't seem to need them.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
As an aside, and not aiming this comment at you (I don't have any clue how you even feel on the subject)...

But I found myself wondering how many people would agree with you on every one of those points when applied to cheerleaders, but would argue against every point if they were applied as reasons why college football players don't need to be paid. They pretty much all apply. There's thousands of lower division players who would love to get the current player's compensation and take their spot, and the benefits about being able to say they are a football player for the college are there, and the coaching they receive plus the free opportunity for education are huge perks.
Except that football players at big colleges make millions for their school. Not sure how much cheerleaders make for the team, Steelers don't seem to need them.
I say this, if people are paying to see players play (and/or cheerleaders cheer) then those players (and/or cheerleaders) should be paid to do so. I'm not sure how much of a factor the cheerleaders are when people are paying for a ticket to the game.

 
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These same people fighting for NFL teams to pay their cheerleaders in "perks" and not in actual "money" are the same people fighting against their own best interests in regards to pay nationally. They are one of the reasons pay has stagnated for nearly 40 years in some areas. I mean it's not like business owners are fighting for their employees best interests. No, they have hired armies of lawyers and accounts to figure out how they can keep wages down. Yet here we are talking to random people on the internet hell bent on allowing businesses to pay as little as possible.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
Look, it's pretty simple. We have a national law that everyone who works an honest day's work deserves an honest day's pay. NFL teams can afford it. To refuse to pay this tiny pittance is both bad PR and bad karma.
not if you choose to waiver those rights by signing a contract. Hey, I'm all for everyone getting paid the most they can get, and I'm always one of the 1st to cry foul at the NFL and/or Goddell; but I'm not feeling this one. If she can get more $$ then god bless her, if a lot of the woman feel this way then they should unionize. As for the staying in shape and spending on salons. I think most of us have jobs that require us to be in business professional form which requires business clothes and haircuts, I doubt many of us are being reimbursed for those expenses. I bet some of us (me included) are required to be in a certain physical form as well, which means we agree to live a healthy lifestyle even outside of work hours and will not be reimbursed for it as well.

The post above did a great job discussing the elephant in the room, these jobs are in high demand because the opportunity to meet players and celebs are invaluable.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
I can't blame them for trying though. Why not, ya know? Everyone wants to get paid more no matter what they do.

Even if they agree to pay the minimum wage does it even matter? They will still spend more to look good than they will be making with their paycheck.

It just seems really dumb to have some legal precedent change the pay grade for a job that isn't a real job at all but is more of an advertisement for themselves.

 
Except that football players at big colleges make millions for their school. Not sure how much cheerleaders make for the team, Steelers don't seem to need them.
That and the work and risk put into being a football player is stupidly higher than being a cheerleader.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
I can't blame them for trying though. Why not, ya know? Everyone wants to get paid more no matter what they do.

Even if they agree to pay the minimum wage does it even matter? They will still spend more to look good than they will be making with their paycheck.

It just seems really dumb to have some legal precedent change the pay grade for a job that isn't a real job at all but is more of an advertisement for themselves.
You think that having a minimum wage law is dumb, or that enforcing it is dumb?

 
They deserve more IMO. At least $20 an hour.
Why not $40/hr, or $100, ...hell lets just make it a cool million/hr. That would make everyone happy, amirite?

smh. Supply and demand, people.
Exactly. They deserve whatever market forces determine they should be paid. It's really that simple. The true problem for cheerleaders is that they do not control cash flows. That is how you get paid. There are a thousands of women who could be cheerleaders and who would do it for free. You kind of lose leverage when you are easily replaced and cannot bring in revenue directly.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
I can't blame them for trying though. Why not, ya know? Everyone wants to get paid more no matter what they do.

Even if they agree to pay the minimum wage does it even matter? They will still spend more to look good than they will be making with their paycheck.

It just seems really dumb to have some legal precedent change the pay grade for a job that isn't a real job at all but is more of an advertisement for themselves.
You think that having a minimum wage law is dumb, or that enforcing it is dumb?
those laws are in place so people who have a low skill set and no education opportunity can survive and not be taken advantage of. I don't feel thats the case here, these woman generally have the opportunity to make a much better paycheck than the one their choosing to make.

 
They deserve more IMO. At least $20 an hour.
Why not $40/hr, or $100, ...hell lets just make it a cool million/hr. That would make everyone happy, amirite?

smh. Supply and demand, people.
I can't wait until your child can't find a job paying enough to buy food. Bet your ### you'll change your tune then.

Wait till they have robot cheerleaders. Then what? Hahaha

 
As others have said, these girls aren't doing this to make a living. They're doing it because its a gateway to other money making opportunities.

At the end of the day, its just really hard for anyone to feel bad for a bunch of good looking girls (most of whom have probably had everything handed to them for their whole life because of their looks) who are claim they aren't being paid enough to look pretty, wear skimpy outfits and clap in unison.

At best, NFL cheer leading is a modelling internship with the added benefits of having access to celebrities and free publicity. They're lucky to get any compensation at all.

 
They deserve more IMO. At least $20 an hour.
Why not $40/hr, or $100, ...hell lets just make it a cool million/hr. That would make everyone happy, amirite?

smh. Supply and demand, people.
I can't wait until your child can't find a job paying enough to buy food. Bet your ### you'll change your tune then.

Wait till they have robot cheerleaders. Then what? Hahaha
I have stressed to my son the importance of hard work and education.

Hopefully, he will heed my advice, and obtain a skill set that is in high demand.

 
They deserve more IMO. At least $20 an hour.
Why not $40/hr, or $100, ...hell lets just make it a cool million/hr. That would make everyone happy, amirite?

smh. Supply and demand, people.
I can't wait until your child can't find a job paying enough to buy food. Bet your ### you'll change your tune then.

Wait till they have robot cheerleaders. Then what? Hahaha
I have stressed to my son the importance of hard work and education.

Hopefully, he will heed my advice, and obtain a skill set that is in high demand.
lol you sound like me 10 years ago. Unfortunately sir hard work and an educational aren't going to be enough. It's only a matter of time before enough people realize this and things start to change.

It's real simple though. Here is a simple explanation of what's going on.

There is 500 jobs available now. In the past it took 5000 workers to complete these jobs but due to technological advancements and increases in efficency we only need 500 workers.

There are 6000 people that need a job. Who do you think is going to be hired for these 500 jobs? That's right! The top 500 candidates. Soon it will be the best 400 applicants and then the best 300. Better hope your son is gifted enough.

Oh and since there is a line of people out the door that want that job, your son might be gifted enough to get, he's going to get paid #### to do it.

That's what you're supporting when you support the free market. Cheers!

 
BTW, regarding the original subject. Actually PAYING cheerleaders would enhance the status of the NFL while costing them about... nothing.

Seriously, consider the money involved. Chump change, really.

This is an opportunity to turn this aspect of the NFL into something truly glamerous and desirous. Why on earth would you let it become repugnant?

 
They deserve more IMO. At least $20 an hour.
Why not $40/hr, or $100, ...hell lets just make it a cool million/hr. That would make everyone happy, amirite?

smh. Supply and demand, people.
Exactly. They deserve whatever market forces determine they should be paid. It's really that simple. The true problem for cheerleaders is that they do not control cash flows. That is how you get paid. There are a thousands of women who could be cheerleaders and who would do it for free. You kind of lose leverage when you are easily replaced and cannot bring in revenue directly.
This is so naive, even high school students shouldn't think like this anymore. To think that just recently, this country went through a recession and lost countless jobs caused by no one but the blood suckers at the top it hurts to read these kind of thoughts.

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
Look, it's pretty simple. We have a national law that everyone who works an honest day's work deserves an honest day's pay. NFL teams can afford it. To refuse to pay this tiny pittance is both bad PR and bad karma.
Cite?

 
I'm not sure where to go here, being an NFL cheerleader is a really a part-time gig. These woman are beautiful and could easily find something else and way more profitable to do with their time if they wish too. Lets face it, theres such a huge competition to be a cheerleader not for the pay but to be on TV, meet / party with the players & celebs. Its supply and demand, if the job didn't pay anything I bet they still wouldn't have a problem finding woman to do this. Sueing the league won't get them anywhere imo, they need to unionize and then strike.
None of those things negates minimum wage laws. It's insane that they would require girls to visit specific high priced slaons at their own expense while paying less than McDonalds. Nobody is trying to say they should be well paid- as argued, the real advantage for these girls is not nor ever will be the paycheck.
then they should go do something else, its hard for me to feel sorry for them when theres line around the block of woman tripping other themselves to get the position. Yeah they have to pay for a couple of things out of their pockets but what about all the perks they get when go out and tell people their an NFL Cheerleader. I bet these woman haven't paid for a drink or dinner in years. If its such a bad gig then why is there a hugh competition for it? Because they know the perks that come with it out weigh the costs.
As an aside, and not aiming this comment at you (I don't have any clue how you even feel on the subject)...

But I found myself wondering how many people would agree with you on every one of those points when applied to cheerleaders, but would argue against every point if they were applied as reasons why college football players don't need to be paid. They pretty much all apply. There's thousands of lower division players who would love to get the current player's compensation and take their spot, and the benefits about being able to say they are a football player for the college are there, and the coaching they receive plus the free opportunity for education are huge perks.
Except that football players at big colleges make millions for their school. Not sure how much cheerleaders make for the team, Steelers don't seem to need them.
I'm not sure if the Bears have them or not.

 
BTW, regarding the original subject. Actually PAYING cheerleaders would enhance the status of the NFL while costing them about... nothing.

Seriously, consider the money involved. Chump change, really.

This is an opportunity to turn this aspect of the NFL into something truly glamerous and desirous. Why on earth would you let it become repugnant?
Another unintended benefit to this would be the Cowboys getting better looking cheerleaders. God knows they need them.

 
If you don't like the pay, then don't do it. Pretty simple. There are hundreds of other women lined up to do it at the current price.

The pay is not the priority of becoming a cheerleader. It is the prestige.
Agreed, what about NFL RB's? They have to stay in shape all year round and have no guarantees. Just used and let go. What about NFL interns that make no money? Equipment managers...ball boys....etc. Get over yourself cheerleaders and get used to the real world. You signed up for it, nobody made you do anything. If you want minimum wage i'm sure McDonalds is hiring.

 

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