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Bill Belichick on Wes Welkers hit on Aqib Talib (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Its been pretty obvious for years that he and Welker don't really like each other. And i agree that it was a cheap play and a flag most definitely should have been thrown.
The Ref
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I think he's saying it was a pick play -- not that Welker was trying to injure Talib. I thought it should have been a flag too.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
If he is it's concussion related. Players and coaches respect rings. Welker may have a wedding band.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Did Belichick also offer his thoughts on Edelman's hit on Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, while he was at it?
rockaction
Footballguy
I am. It's the passive-aggressiveness that makes Belichick's sore losing so exceptionally comical, tedious, and reinforces why I do hate the Pats.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
what was cheap about it? NE runs rub routes too. if Denver was looking to make a hit on Talib why would they choose a 5'9" WR coming off 2 concussions?
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Judge for yourself:
http://www.nepatriotslife.com/2014/01/video-wes-welkers-hit-knocks-aqib-talib.html
It was a block. There was no route being run here. Whether Welker threw a block/pick or ran a route does not matter because D Thomas touched the ball at the same time as the Welker/Talib impact. No reason for flags on a legal downfield block. It was a great play by Denver if that's indeed what they planned.
Stop crying, #####es.
http://www.nepatriotslife.com/2014/01/video-wes-welkers-hit-knocks-aqib-talib.html
It was a block. There was no route being run here. Whether Welker threw a block/pick or ran a route does not matter because D Thomas touched the ball at the same time as the Welker/Talib impact. No reason for flags on a legal downfield block. It was a great play by Denver if that's indeed what they planned.
Stop crying, #####es.
buck naked
Footballguy
If Belichick doesn't want a physical game then maybe his corners shouldn't hold on every play.
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Class Dismissed
Footballguy
What were his comments on Vince Wolfork's well placed elbows on the knees of OB's?
3 out of 5
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am pretty sure I saw Welker's deliver legal pick plays like that all of the time when he was a Patriot, so Belichick crying about it now, because the hit injured his injury-prone corner, is freaking rich.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Talb was Thomas's defender. It was an illegal pick because Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I didn't say anything about Denver trying to injure Talib. He prolly would have done that on his own within a few plays anyways. Cheap play in that it was clear offensive interference and a flag should have been thrown.
steveski
Footballguy
I'm kind of surprised by people saying this was a cheap hit. He was a split second too early. The timing was a little off. He didn't hit him in an illegal way and Talib clearly saw him coming. Yes, after slowing it down frame by frame, you can see he's one frame early, but in game speed it's really difficult to make that call.
http://i.imgur.com/NKqE6g4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NKqE6g4.jpg
Adam Harstad
Moderator
I'm not sure Welker touched Talib before the ball got there, but he certainly didn't do so WAY before the ball got there. Contact looks simultaneous to me. Feel free to watch that replay and judge for yourself.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Thanks for the freeze-frame. Definitely early with the contact, but extremely close. Both of these offenses get away with much, much more flagrant OPI a half dozen times a game. Nobody runs the pick play better or more often than the Broncos and the Patriots.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
whata whiner, suck it bill
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
There's a difference between hitting him too early (barely) and picking him (not barely -- he ran straight at Talib while he was in coverage).
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I agree with you if by "way before the ball got there" is the same as "at the same time".
What goes around comes around. I enjoyed watching that play after it happened to drc.
steveski
Footballguy
There's no rule against running straight at a guy. All that matters is when they hit. The hit was made a split second before the ball touched DT's hands. I don't see how this is debatable? Watch the gif and look at the freeze frame I just posted.
There's a difference between hitting him too early (barely) and picking him (not barely -- he ran straight at Talib while he was in coverage).
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Thanks. I was gonna do it and I'm glad someone else did first!There's no rule against running straight at a guy. All that matters is when they hit. The hit was made a split second before the ball touched DT's hands. I don't see how this is debatable? Watch the gif and look at the freeze frame I just posted.
There's a difference between hitting him too early (barely) and picking him (not barely -- he ran straight at Talib while he was in coverage).
Considering that ball is probably going about 40 mph and in that frame the ball is about 1.5 feet from D Thomas, Welker hit Talib (presumably) about .025 seconds early.
Sour grapes. And, BB's dislike of Welker, which makes makes Belichick seem like a petulant child. Technically, Welker hit him an instant too early, but at game speed your really can't say anything but that those things happen. There was nothing dirty about the hit itself, and if Talik doesn't get injured it would have been a non-issue. BB needs to grow up and take it like a man.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
If the Broncos win the Super Bowl, Seller should mail BB a picture of himself holding the Lombardi trophy with the caption "Didn't Cheat" on it.
Braktastic
Footballguy
I bet this is why Brady couldn't throw an accurate pass beyond 20 yards too.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Sure there is. If you run at him with no intention of catching a pass and force him to go around you (like, say, a pick in basketball) it's a (oddly enough) pick play. He doesn't have to plow through you to get the penalty if you're setting the pick intentionally.There's no rule against running straight at a guy. All that matters is when they hit. The hit was made a split second before the ball touched DT's hands. I don't see how this is debatable? Watch the gif and look at the freeze frame I just posted.
There's a difference between hitting him too early (barely) and picking him (not barely -- he ran straight at Talib while he was in coverage).
Talib had clearly slowed up well in advance of the contact, which forced him out of coverage. (He wasn't going to make the play, but he was still picked.)
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Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
You'd think that BB might have an internal filter before he makes statements like this...like...
"Uhhh, I better not say this. Due to...
Pretty much SOP for us over the years and it may also come off as sour grapes..."
"Uhhh, I better not say this. Due to...
Pretty much SOP for us over the years and it may also come off as sour grapes..."
I'll have to correct myself, because it isn't really sour grapes--that's a different sort of reaction to a loss. What it is is a Loser's Whine. (Do you get this whine from fermented sour grapes
?
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Did Welker's scholar wife give her opinion?
Was it illegal....absolutely
Was it intended to injure.....who knows but the accusation comes across as someone with an axe to grind.
The irony lies in that this play has been a staple of the Pats passing game for years and it looks foolish to make such an assertion based upon nothing but an opinion.
Didn't think, of all things, that BB was such a crybaby. That's new and doesn't reflect favorably on his public perception.
Was it intended to injure.....who knows but the accusation comes across as someone with an axe to grind.
The irony lies in that this play has been a staple of the Pats passing game for years and it looks foolish to make such an assertion based upon nothing but an opinion.
Didn't think, of all things, that BB was such a crybaby. That's new and doesn't reflect favorably on his public perception.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Part of the reason why they don't allow picks or blocks before the receivers gets the ball is not so much that the defender could have made a play on the ball . . . it's the 80 yard scamper after the catch that becomes the problem.
In this case, IMO there should have been a flag just like they called NE for the series before. It sucks to be NE that Talib got hurt on the play, but I don't think Welker did it with an intent to injure Talib. And as others have said, it's not like Welker did it 3 seconds before the ball got there. People get hurt all the time on plays that could have been flagged. It's not like the Pats haven't done similar things before where guys ended up getting hurt.
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
Mike Pereira on Twatter...
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People asking about thej hit on Talib. That is not a foul. Ball was touched by 88 about the same time as contact, Can't be OPI.
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General Tso
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It was a nasty, dirty hit. Borderline illegal, but dirt nonetheless. There are pick plays, and then there is blowing up a team's best player. I'm not a big Belichek fan but I think he and the Pats got hosed on that play. It certainly changed the game dramatically.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
There was an ex nfl ref on weei earlier saying the exact opposite. Should have been called, welker impeded his progress even before they collided, etc. Half the problem with the NFL these days. Even the refs don't really know what the rules are and how to interpret them.
That is a pretty stupid post. Welker comes at him from in front, so Aqib can see him coming, and hits him shoulder to shoulder. Same as hundreds of other hits in the NFL. The fact that Aquib was injured was incidental; it could have just as easily been Welker.
steveski
Footballguy
I'm not sure we're talking about the same play here?
The Pats and Broncos both run this play all the time. Only difference here is that Welker was a split second too early this time and Talib (probably coincidence) got hurt. How does that make it a nast, dirty hit?
Yeah, the smallest guy on the field who has a propensity for concussions is going to purposefully injure a guy that may end up costing his own career.
Dirty, hell no. Was it illegal, not even refs can agree on that. Should Bill focus on improving his cheating techniques instead of #####ing about this, undoubtedly.
Dirty, hell no. Was it illegal, not even refs can agree on that. Should Bill focus on improving his cheating techniques instead of #####ing about this, undoubtedly.
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