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Does America have a porn problem? (1 Viewer)

America's problem is not with porn. The problem is with many people thinking sex is bad or the human body is a bad thing. Only in America can we see and watch death day in a day out, blood here, blood there, swearing left and right but once the discussion turns to sex or the human body... that somehow becomes wrong or illegal or shameful. That is sad.

 
America's problem is not with porn. The problem is with many people thinking sex is bad or the human body is a bad thing. Only in America can we see and watch death day in a day out, blood here, blood there, swearing left and right but once the discussion turns to sex or the human body... that somehow becomes wrong or illegal or shameful. That is sad.
Exactly.

 
No, we're just a sexually repressed nation. We're awkward and shameful about sex when most of the world isn't.

 
I'd say yes. We have so much that we had to invent HFCS . Thanks to that ####ing product, our country is so fat, but not phat, and that is bad (bad bad, not Michael Jackson bad)

 
wazoo11 said:
:shrug: I think Kate Upton is hot but have no urge of looking at those photos leaked.
Well, good, because if you sought them out for viewing purposes, then you will go to hell.
 
I don't even think of the leaked photos as porn, its just naked people. It's more out of curiosity to me.
This is a good point. Do people consider the majority of these pics to be porn? If so, the definition of porn is out of whack. What would those people consider a XXX movie if these pictures are porn? I could see teenagers "loving" these pictures more than grown men, no? Curiosity is pretty much it. Also, to see what these people are doing with their phones. Who would have thought this would be "the thing to do" ten years ago? Or, twenty?

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
No, we're just a sexually repressed nation. We're awkward and shameful about sex when most of the world isn't.
People say this all the time, but I think it's pretty close to the opposite of the truth. There are parts of Europe that are more sexualized than we are, but compared to most of the world and especially by historical standards our society is extremely liberalized on sexual issues.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
No, we're just a sexually repressed nation. We're awkward and shameful about sex when most of the world isn't.
People say this all the time, but I think it's pretty close to the opposite of the truth. There are parts of Europe that are more sexualized than we are, but compared to most of the world and especially by historical standards our society is extremely liberalized on sexual issues.
I would say we're hypocritical about sex, or at the very least our culture puts out very contradictory messages. And a lot of parents tend to go into denial that teenagers are sexual beings. You can't refuse to talk about something except to say it's forbidden and not expect kids to be curious.
 
I actually don't think the porn problem can be measured or discussed in terms of the viewers of the leaked photos; I think it's what the leaked photos and videos tell us about the participants' own porn consumption that is more interesting.

Since when did porn-style (read: ejaculation on face during blow jobs, ejaculation onto backsides and the photography thereof) acts, acts designed specifically for viewing non-participants, shape our actions so much that our own participating videos reflect that? Never mind the whole videotaping thing in the first place, something people have been long able to do, but have generally managed to refrain from.

Yeah, there's a bit of a normative psychological issue at the least, I'd say.

 
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If I don't clean the pipes at least once a day, I notice my heart rate and blood pressure becomes elevated. So for me, porn isn't a problem. Porn is actually saving my life :shrug:

 
Question for those who have no problem with porn:

Would you be happy knowing that your son in law watching a lot of porn?

 
I wouldn't call it a "problem", Bob.

After seeing 4chan for the first time, America definitely has a dip#### problem.

 
Question for those who have no problem with porn:

Would you be happy knowing that your son in law watching a lot of porn?
As long as he and my daughter have a healthy sex life that I don't know anything about.....why would I care?

 
Question for those who have no problem with porn:

Would you be happy knowing that your son in law watching a lot of porn?
As long as he and my daughter have a healthy sex life that I don't know anything about.....why would I care?
Link

Psychiatrist Norman Doidge argues that pornography has an actual physiological and psychological effect that makes it addictive. He reports how he noticed many male clients coming to his clinic with sexual problems that affected their relationships. None of these males were loners, or withdrawn from society. All were men in comfortable jobs in normal relationships or marriages. Doidge noticed that these men would report, often in passing, that although they considered their sexual partners attractive, they had increasing difficulty in becoming aroused. Upon further questioning, they admitted that pornography use was leading to less excitement during sex.

Instead of enjoying the act of intercourse, they were forced to fantasize about being part of a porn script in order to become aroused. Many actively asked their partners to act like porn stars, to enact scenarios they had seen on the internet–often scenes that involved violence. When questioned further about their own pornography use, they said that they needed more and more extreme porn in order to reach their previous level of arousal (Doidge, 2007).

Understanding the flood of dopamine explains why pornography changes behavior. From a physiological point of view, the brain is building up a tolerance to material it sees, just like the body builds up tolerance to drugs it uses. This explains why users of pornography report needing increasingly extreme videos in order to become aroused (Doidge, 2007).

In a study done to test the effect of pornography on relationship commitment, the results showed that adults who consumed higher levels of pornography were likely to show decreased commitment to their partners (Lambert, 2012).

A majority of females whose partners regularly consume pornography perceive their partners use to be a threat to the stability of their relationship (Bergner and Bridges, 2002). In addition, the use of pornography increases the likelihood that couples will separate or divorce (Schneider, 2000). Besides increasing the likelihood of ending a relationship, usage of pornography has been linked to decreased satisfaction in a relationship.

In an early experiment, it was found that men who consumed pornography were more dominating and less attentive towards their partners (Zillman and Bryant, 1988). Men self-report finding less pleasure in sex with their partners, even when they don’t report a decrease in level of attractiveness of their partner (Philaretou, 2005). Many say that in order to become fully aroused and orgasm, they must mentally visualize porn scenes they had previously seen (Doidge, 2007).

Men exposed to pornography show an increased likelihood to treat women as though they lack the capacity for complex thinking and reasoning while still treating them as capable of having strong emotional responses (Gray, 2011).
 
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As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
No, we're just a sexually repressed nation. We're awkward and shameful about sex when most of the world isn't.
People say this all the time, but I think it's pretty close to the opposite of the truth. There are parts of Europe that are more sexualized than we are, but compared to most of the world and especially by historical standards our society is extremely liberalized on sexual issues.
I would say we're hypocritical about sex, or at the very least our culture puts out very contradictory messages. And a lot of parents tend to go into denial that teenagers are sexual beings. You can't refuse to talk about something except to say it's forbidden and not expect kids to be curious.
This is a big part of the problem.

American churches and Christian families have done a horrible job at addressing sex with adolescents. I know I was personally let down a great deal. Their approach has been the equivalent of using the Just Say No program on people who were already drug addicts.

I'm already working toward and thinking a great deal about how to reconcile the topics of sex, masturbation and porn in the light of Christianity for my 8 yr old son and 4 yr old daughter.

 
Question for those who have no problem with porn:

Would you be happy knowing that your son in law watching a lot of porn?
As long as he and my daughter have a healthy sex life that I don't know anything about.....why would I care?
Link

Psychiatrist Norman Doidge argues that pornography has an actual physiological and psychological effect that makes it addictive. He reports how he noticed many male clients coming to his clinic with sexual problems that affected their relationships. None of these males were loners, or withdrawn from society. All were men in comfortable jobs in normal relationships or marriages. Doidge noticed that these men would report, often in passing, that although they considered their sexual partners attractive, they had increasing difficulty in becoming aroused. Upon further questioning, they admitted that pornography use was leading to less excitement during sex.

Instead of enjoying the act of intercourse, they were forced to fantasize about being part of a porn script in order to become aroused. Many actively asked their partners to act like porn stars, to enact scenarios they had seen on the internet–often scenes that involved violence. When questioned further about their own pornography use, they said that they needed more and more extreme porn in order to reach their previous level of arousal (Doidge, 2007).

Understanding the flood of dopamine explains why pornography changes behavior. From a physiological point of view, the brain is building up a tolerance to material it sees, just like the body builds up tolerance to drugs it uses. This explains why users of pornography report needing increasingly extreme videos in order to become aroused (Doidge, 2007).

In a study done to test the effect of pornography on relationship commitment, the results showed that adults who consumed higher levels of pornography were likely to show decreased commitment to their partners (Lambert, 2012).

A majority of females whose partners regularly consume pornography perceive their partners use to be a threat to the stability of their relationship (Bergner and Bridges, 2002). In addition, the use of pornography increases the likelihood that couples will separate or divorce (Schneider, 2000). Besides increasing the likelihood of ending a relationship, usage of pornography has been linked to decreased satisfaction in a relationship.

In an early experiment, it was found that men who consumed pornography were more dominating and less attentive towards their partners (Zillman and Bryant, 1988). Men self-report finding less pleasure in sex with their partners, even when they don’t report a decrease in level of attractiveness of their partner (Philaretou, 2005). Many say that in order to become fully aroused and orgasm, they must mentally visualize porn scenes they had previously seen (Doidge, 2007).

Men exposed to pornography show an increased likelihood to treat women as though they lack the capacity for complex thinking and reasoning while still treating them as capable of having strong emotional responses (Gray, 2011).
That doesn't exactly pertain to my answer.

 
Question for those who have no problem with porn:

Would you be happy knowing that your son in law watching a lot of porn?
Define a lot.

I don't have a problem with people drinking alcohol but I wouldn't want my SIL drinking a lot of alcohol.

 
As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.
This is not true. For example, I don't excuse myself to go enjoy some crack in the downstairs bathroom if my wife and I are watching a movie that shows some appealing drug use.

Seriously, though, they're very different. For one thing, fapping to porn once does not make you crave it again 20 minutes later and then again 20 minutes after that and on and on. If anything the opposite is true. Also, the rate of users/abusers to addicts is MUCH lower with porn.

I'm sure that they both can be harmful addictions, but comparing the two is probably counterproductive.

 
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As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.
So who decides what's normal?

 
As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.
So who decides what's normal?
Definitely not you Ron. ;-)

 
As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.
So who decides what's normal?
Definitely not you Ron. ;-)
Things would be a lot more interesting

 
Question for those who have no problem with porn:

Would you be happy knowing that your son in law watching a lot of porn?
As long as he and my daughter have a healthy sex life that I don't know anything about.....why would I care?
Link

Psychiatrist Norman Doidge argues that pornography has an actual physiological and psychological effect that makes it addictive. He reports how he noticed many male clients coming to his clinic with sexual problems that affected their relationships. None of these males were loners, or withdrawn from society. All were men in comfortable jobs in normal relationships or marriages. Doidge noticed that these men would report, often in passing, that although they considered their sexual partners attractive, they had increasing difficulty in becoming aroused. Upon further questioning, they admitted that pornography use was leading to less excitement during sex.

Instead of enjoying the act of intercourse, they were forced to fantasize about being part of a porn script in order to become aroused. Many actively asked their partners to act like porn stars, to enact scenarios they had seen on the internet–often scenes that involved violence. When questioned further about their own pornography use, they said that they needed more and more extreme porn in order to reach their previous level of arousal (Doidge, 2007).

Understanding the flood of dopamine explains why pornography changes behavior. From a physiological point of view, the brain is building up a tolerance to material it sees, just like the body builds up tolerance to drugs it uses. This explains why users of pornography report needing increasingly extreme videos in order to become aroused (Doidge, 2007).

In a study done to test the effect of pornography on relationship commitment, the results showed that adults who consumed higher levels of pornography were likely to show decreased commitment to their partners (Lambert, 2012).

A majority of females whose partners regularly consume pornography perceive their partners use to be a threat to the stability of their relationship (Bergner and Bridges, 2002). In addition, the use of pornography increases the likelihood that couples will separate or divorce (Schneider, 2000). Besides increasing the likelihood of ending a relationship, usage of pornography has been linked to decreased satisfaction in a relationship.

In an early experiment, it was found that men who consumed pornography were more dominating and less attentive towards their partners (Zillman and Bryant, 1988). Men self-report finding less pleasure in sex with their partners, even when they don’t report a decrease in level of attractiveness of their partner (Philaretou, 2005). Many say that in order to become fully aroused and orgasm, they must mentally visualize porn scenes they had previously seen (Doidge, 2007).

Men exposed to pornography show an increased likelihood to treat women as though they lack the capacity for complex thinking and reasoning while still treating them as capable of having strong emotional responses (Gray, 2011).
That doesn't exactly pertain to my answer.
Because porn watching can lead to A LOT of porn watching that can lead to things written above.

Even my 14 year old nephew has been watching extreme porn on his iPad for years. The porn I grew up with is nothing like what is available today and there's no doubt that it is twisting minds about what normal sex is.

 
As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.
This is not true. For example, I don't excuse myself to go enjoy some crack in the downstairs bathroom if my wife and I are watching a movie that shows some appealing drug use.

Seriously, though, they're very different. For one thing, fapping to porn once does not make you crave it again 20 minutes later and then again 20 minutes after that and on and on. If anything the opposite is true. Also, the rate of users/abusers to addicts is MUCH lower with porn.

I'm sure that they both can be harmful addictions, but comparing the two is probably counterproductive.
Extend your time frame to 24 hours here and you are incorrect with the bolded. Yes, men don't crave it ever 20 minutes, but few men who view porn regularly don't masturbate at least every 24 hours. When I was at the height of my porn addiction/depression cycle, I was masturbating 3-5x's per day...usually almost all of those in the 10 hour window I was at work.

 
As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.
This is not true. For example, I don't excuse myself to go enjoy some crack in the downstairs bathroom if my wife and I are watching a movie that shows some appealing drug use.

Seriously, though, they're very different. For one thing, fapping to porn once does not make you crave it again 20 minutes later and then again 20 minutes after that and on and on. If anything the opposite is true. Also, the rate of users/abusers to addicts is MUCH lower with porn.

I'm sure that they both can be harmful addictions, but comparing the two is probably counterproductive.
Extend your time frame to 24 hours here and you are incorrect with the bolded. Yes, men don't crave it ever 20 minutes, but few men who view porn regularly don't masturbate at least every 24 hours. When I was at the height of my porn addiction/depression cycle, I was masturbating 3-5x's per day...usually almost all of those in the 10 hour window I was at work.
3-5x for a couple minutes each time per 24 hours isn't really the same as 3-5 times per hour for many hours, with each usage keeping you high (actually making you higher). Plus like I said the % of users who turn into abusers is much lower.

I don't mean to say that your problem and the problems of others like it aren't serious. I know they are. I was just pointing out that the problems are very, very different. I don't think it's helpful to treat them as similar for a number of reasons- stigma attached, resources devoted, treatment by the law, etc.

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
No, we're just a sexually repressed nation. We're awkward and shameful about sex when most of the world isn't.
I agree that our puritanical views can be harmful.

I blame the Puritans.

 
As one of the most socially conservative members on this board who has a rough history with porn, I firmly believe we have a porn problem.

Science has essentially proven that it creates psychological problems and effects a persons ability to maintain normal healthy relationships. Social acceptance or rejection is not the issue.

IMO, porn is like psychological crack for men.
This is not true. For example, I don't excuse myself to go enjoy some crack in the downstairs bathroom if my wife and I are watching a movie that shows some appealing drug use.

Seriously, though, they're very different. For one thing, fapping to porn once does not make you crave it again 20 minutes later and then again 20 minutes after that and on and on. If anything the opposite is true. Also, the rate of users/abusers to addicts is MUCH lower with porn.

I'm sure that they both can be harmful addictions, but comparing the two is probably counterproductive.
Extend your time frame to 24 hours here and you are incorrect with the bolded. Yes, men don't crave it ever 20 minutes, but few men who view porn regularly don't masturbate at least every 24 hours. When I was at the height of my porn addiction/depression cycle, I was masturbating 3-5x's per day...usually almost all of those in the 10 hour window I was at work.
3-5x for a couple minutes each time per 24 hours isn't really the same as 3-5 times per hour for many hours, with each usage keeping you high (actually making you higher). Plus like I said the % of users who turn into abusers is much lower.

I don't mean to say that your problem and the problems of others like it aren't serious. I know they are. I was just pointing out that the problems are very, very different. I don't think it's helpful to treat them as similar for a number of reasons- stigma attached, resources devoted, treatment by the law, etc.
Ahh...gotcha.

I thought you were trying to say it wasn't addictive but actually decreased desire with use.

 

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