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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Next year? Try "until Gates is truly done." I love Green's potential in dynasty, but SD isn't going to just push a 1st ballot HOFer out to make room for him. And apparently, they're not going to feature two TEs either.
I'm actually happy with the slow start personally. Where I already own Green, I wasn't counting on him at all. And where I don't own him, a rough start might actually bring prices back down to mere "reasonable overpay" levels.
Bring prices down?? Green is droppable in all but keeper/dynasty formats. And anyone in keeper/dynasty already realize that's the only place where his value actually exists.
az_prof
Footballguy
This! While Gates could play like this until he is 35, 36, 37, the decline at this age can be fast and unrelenting. Despite yesterday's performance, he still looks much slower than his old self. I don't think he is in as good of health as Gonzales was at this age.
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
Roster sizes come into play but it is a long season and Gates has had his share of ailments.
So very strange.
After Gates tears it up and Green is untargeted, Green goes on to tie a career high in targets in a game with only 25 passing attempts from Rivers. Did anyone watch this game carefully? Did Buffalo take Gates away or was there a concerted effort by SD to get Green the ball?
After Gates tears it up and Green is untargeted, Green goes on to tie a career high in targets in a game with only 25 passing attempts from Rivers. Did anyone watch this game carefully? Did Buffalo take Gates away or was there a concerted effort by SD to get Green the ball?
fantasy stud
Footballguy
Not sure, turned it and saw a pass in the corner of the endzone that easily could of been a td for him. That would of made his game even a lot bigger.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that Green has only been held in to block because the first two opponents were AZ and SEA.
Buffalo put a linebacker on him in man coverage a few times. The Chargers will target him when teams do that.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Career #s: 48 targets for 32-561-4. That's almost 12 yards per target. Also, as Chargers...
Vincent Jackson 17.5/rec + TD/7.4recs
Ladarius Green 17.5/rec + TD/8.0recs
Malcom Floyd 17.5/rec + TD/9.4recs
Green doesn't have the volume yet, but in limited action he looks more like a 250# WR than a TE.
Vincent Jackson 17.5/rec + TD/7.4recs
Ladarius Green 17.5/rec + TD/8.0recs
Malcom Floyd 17.5/rec + TD/9.4recs
Green doesn't have the volume yet, but in limited action he looks more like a 250# WR than a TE.
93_Confirmed
Footballguy
What kind of FAAB would you guys spend if you were desperate for a TE?
I'd have to be really desperate to go after Green. He's a huge dynasty asset, but I think this unpredictability lasts for the rest of this year.
Milkman
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
You probably do not need to spend much to get him at the moment. I have him stashed in pretty much every league I am in, just waiting for his time
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I am desperate and just dropped him last week for Blue. Looks like I'll be going back to the wire to re-acquire his services. He's a good stash when Gates inevitably goes down.
93_Confirmed
Footballguy
I am really desperate. I have Julius & Pitta and the waiver is picked clean.UKColt said:
Casting Couch
Footballguy
I would drop Pitta and take a shot with Niles Paul or Lad Green.
The funny thing about Stud TEs is they usually come out of nowhere and become studs immediately once they are on the radar.
JT, Graham, Gronk and Gates for example weren't talked about for 2 seasons ... They looked great one preseason and boom.
All of these chumps that everyone has been pimping for years Pitta, Rudolph, Jordan Reed, Finely etc ... They are what they are! Nothing more nothing less.
For people to be taking these guys over a guy like Gates who has done it year in and year out is crazy.
Kelce and Green either step it now ... 100 yard games and TDs ... or this is what they are.
JT, Graham, Gronk and Gates for example weren't talked about for 2 seasons ... They looked great one preseason and boom.
All of these chumps that everyone has been pimping for years Pitta, Rudolph, Jordan Reed, Finely etc ... They are what they are! Nothing more nothing less.
For people to be taking these guys over a guy like Gates who has done it year in and year out is crazy.
Kelce and Green either step it now ... 100 yard games and TDs ... or this is what they are.
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bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
Green limited with a hamstring
msudaisy26
Footballguy
football_genus
Footballguy
Counterexample: Vernon Davis.qimqam said:
John Paul
Footballguy
Graham, Gronk and Gates brokeout year two. JT was hurt his first couple of seasons. Rookie tight ends don't generally go nuts. Kelce was hurt his first season, he looks like a definite breakout TE. Green was raw as hell coming out, Gates has stunted his growth. I don't get the comparisons.
Gronk had 10 TDs as a Rookie, Gates and Graham were better as rookies and then exploded without all of the hype that these chumps are getting.
The point is ...the over hyped TEs never pan out
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John Paul
Footballguy
I play in a TE premium PPR with 1.5 per reception for TEs keeper league. Also TEs get bonuses starting at 75 yards(this was before the Gronk/Graham jailbreak). So, the year was 2010, this is how it breaks down for that season:
Witten 345.2
Davis 268.2
Gates 262.8
Lewis 256.8
Gonzo 245.6
winslow 245
Pettigrew 239.5
Watson 235.2
Zach Miller 229.2
Tamme 221.9
Keller 214.7
Gronk 207.4
That's at #12. TE1, yes. You want to know his year two total? 490.9. I'm not going to use hyperbole, but the calculator says 2011 all day every day. I play FF on planet earth, just like you. Where calculators matter.
Witten 345.2
Davis 268.2
Gates 262.8
Lewis 256.8
Gonzo 245.6
winslow 245
Pettigrew 239.5
Watson 235.2
Zach Miller 229.2
Tamme 221.9
Keller 214.7
Gronk 207.4
That's at #12. TE1, yes. You want to know his year two total? 490.9. I'm not going to use hyperbole, but the calculator says 2011 all day every day. I play FF on planet earth, just like you. Where calculators matter.
az_prof
Footballguy
I think you have to take into consideration that Green is on a team with a HOF TE. Even though Gates is old, he is still a great TE and so this has limited Green's targets and usage. He is not going to be too useful until Gates truly is over the hill--and it appears most of us were wrong about his early demise--but for dynasty Green is still a very strong hold.
thehoch
Footballguy
Someone just answer me this question....
How do the Giants understand how to use their tall, 6'6 athletic TE correctly and the Chargers don't?
Donnell had his coming out party tonight catching 3 TDs against the Redskins. And while the Redskins defense isn't stellar, it is the NFL. Heck, last season the Chargers lost to the Redskins in D.C. and had a goal line series that lost the game. Green was on the sidelines the entire time.....
What in the heck is going on? With Woodhead out and the team lacking a true athletic playmaker besides Allen, the time has come to utilize him.
Watching that game tonight and watching Donnell go nuts just made my head spin.....Green is 6'6, more athletic, faster, and better hands than Donnell....I am at a loss for words.....Green Time! If he doesn't have 100 yards and TD against the Jags this weekend, something is wrong with the play calling in San Diego.
How do the Giants understand how to use their tall, 6'6 athletic TE correctly and the Chargers don't?
Donnell had his coming out party tonight catching 3 TDs against the Redskins. And while the Redskins defense isn't stellar, it is the NFL. Heck, last season the Chargers lost to the Redskins in D.C. and had a goal line series that lost the game. Green was on the sidelines the entire time.....
What in the heck is going on? With Woodhead out and the team lacking a true athletic playmaker besides Allen, the time has come to utilize him.
Watching that game tonight and watching Donnell go nuts just made my head spin.....Green is 6'6, more athletic, faster, and better hands than Donnell....I am at a loss for words.....Green Time! If he doesn't have 100 yards and TD against the Jags this weekend, something is wrong with the play calling in San Diego.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
ponchsox
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
I thought so to but someone mentioned they could put Green in the slot but they keep running Royal out there.
Hahaha. C'mon man. Your rules are wonky as hell. No one gives a s*** about your league with its silly rules. You are essentially playing FF on a different planet. For those of us playing on planet earth he was TE5 as a rookie. That's a break out. Sure, he improved upon his first year with his second year, but he broke out as a rookie. You're wrong. Get over it.
This whole conversation is dumb. Break outs are as much, if not more dependent on situation as they are player development. If you don't get snaps, you can't break out. Gates is HoF caliber, thus Green hasn't been getting snaps. It's not complicated. qimqam's theory that if these guys don't break out soon then they are doomed is simply stupid. As someone already pointed out, Vernon Davis didn't break out until year 4.
Is there a rule that you can only throw to 1 TE each game? The play calling has a lot to do with it.
thehoch
Footballguy
Exactly! Gates doesn't have Green's size or speed. Many times Gates gets double teams in the red zone....that would leave Green at 6'6 one on one.....and last night the Giants exploited another 6'6 TE's size over smaller DBs. Not to mention didn't the Patriots for a time dominate with "TWO" tight ends" in Gronk and Hernandez? Both got fed......and in the Chargers case their future HOF tight end, while still able to make plays, is getting a little long in the tooth. One must wonder about the Chargers reasoning not to include Green in the offense more. If Green was on another team he might already be a top 5 tight end.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
10 TDs from a rookie TE is a breakout year on any planet. show me any other rookie TE that had 10 TDs and I will show you a stud.
How many TDs did Pitta, Reed, Rudolph, Green, Finely etc ... have their rookie seasons?
Take away PPR, which you should because it's nonsense, and Gronk was probably top 5 his rookie season
