Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
Did anyone see that ball he dropped? If he didn't drop that ball he would have had a huge stat line. He's gonna go on my IR I'll stash him. Bortles loves him.
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Who is Allen Hurns? (3 Viewers)
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az_prof
Footballguy
Hopefully his injury isn't serious. If it is a sprained ankle then he could miss two weeks for a mild sprain or 4-6 weeks for a high sprain. I won't be dropping him in dynasty unless it is a season ending injury, but in redraft he is droppable if he misses more than 2 weeks. I hope it isn't too serious as that will enable the naysayers to claim he had no talent and the truth is we will won't likely know for a long time now.
This story suggests a sprained ankle: http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2014-09-14/story/jaguars-notes-allen-hurns-day-injury-added-insult
This story suggests a sprained ankle: http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2014-09-14/story/jaguars-notes-allen-hurns-day-injury-added-insult
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Todem
Footballguy
I have seen all the very best WR's in the league drop balls like this.
Bad break...#### happens. Hurns is still a decent-strong hold in dynasty leagues...no question.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Any word on his injury? Like a lot of people, week 4 is my huge bye week. It'd be nice to hear that he'll be back.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
From rotoworld
Kerry Taylor - WR - Jaguars
Jaguars signed WR Kerry Taylor off their practice squad.
The Jaguars waived S Craig Loston in a corresponding move. Taylor will serve as insurance in case Cecil Shorts (hamstring) or Allen Hurns (ankle) suffer a setback.
Kerry Taylor - WR - Jaguars
Jaguars signed WR Kerry Taylor off their practice squad.
The Jaguars waived S Craig Loston in a corresponding move. Taylor will serve as insurance in case Cecil Shorts (hamstring) or Allen Hurns (ankle) suffer a setback.
az_prof
Footballguy
Looks like Hurns did practice fully for the first time on Friday and he and Cecil are both Probable. My guess is that they both play but I wouldn't want to count on either of them.
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Open-Locker-Room-WRs-Cecil-Shorts-III-Allen-Hurns-probable/41895f30-b858-4157-87ae-50075fc63080
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Open-Locker-Room-WRs-Cecil-Shorts-III-Allen-Hurns-probable/41895f30-b858-4157-87ae-50075fc63080
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Someone dropped him in my league. Tempted to pick him up but Id have to drop Davante Adams for him so think Im going to hold for now.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
63 yard TD today, and Hurns looked unstoppable after contact.
With Bortles in, this kid could be fantasy gold.
With Bortles in, this kid could be fantasy gold.
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
Hurns or Allen Robinson? Hurns only had 1 catch yikes.
Gvindy
Footballguy
Hurns TD was on some horrible tackling by Indy. I like Robinson, but I can envision a scenario where both have garbage time value (which should be often with this defense). Robinson fits the WR1 mold better so I'm going with him.
az_prof
Footballguy
I thought it was Hurns showing some great strength in running. I guess you could blame the tackling...who's to say but bottom line is that he broke two tackles and caught a pass with three defenders around him, avoided or broke away from all of them to score.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
They're close to the same size and so far Hurns has shown much more at the pro level. Any reason why you say Robinson fits the WR1 mold better?
saintfool
Dead sexy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Much more at the pro level:
Hurns:
7 catches for 186 yards 3 TDs on 18 targets
Robinson:
12 catches for 154 yards 0 TDs on 19 targets
Considering that Robinson missed a fair amount of training camp, I'd say it's pretty early for both of them to be establishing one has shown "much more" than the other. Also Robinson is 15 pounds heavier, for what it's worth. Being under 2 bills isn't a death knell for fantasy success, but it's something to think about.
Also, Robinson started over Hurns this week for the first time.
saintfool
Dead sexy
robinson missed the preseason and was barely targeted in the game. hurns had the big first half and has been quiet since. robinson, in weeks 2 and 3, has 15 targets. the results? 11 receptions, 150 yards.
i don't have any idea about whether that kind of production will continue once Lee returns. however, if i was a Hurns owner, i would be pretty damn nervous.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Very true.
Hurns' targets have been 9-6-3.
Robinson's have been 3-6-10.
So, Robinson is clearly trending up, even though Hurns hit the big play for a score yesterday. Both should be good from this point forward, assuming Bortles plays. We know the Jags will constantly be playing from behind and throwing a lot.
Hurns' targets have been 9-6-3.
Robinson's have been 3-6-10.
So, Robinson is clearly trending up, even though Hurns hit the big play for a score yesterday. Both should be good from this point forward, assuming Bortles plays. We know the Jags will constantly be playing from behind and throwing a lot.
jurb26
Footballguy
The targets just tell us the story of who has been healthy and when IMO. Robinson wasn't healthy early. Hurns wasn't healthy recently. Hurns, aside from his terrible drop, has looked better in the games this far. Maybe that's because Robinson missed time in camp, maybe not. This is going to be a tough situation to read moving forward. Especially when Lee and Shorts are back in the fold.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Most importantly (for me) Bortles is in now. Full reset as far as I'm concerned - and the targets were still in Robinson's favor in the second half yesterday. One full game with Bortles starting, and I think we'll understand their roles.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'm not sure how much of a dent Lee will make this year. Word is that he is struggling to learn the offense, and with Hurns and Robinson supposedly both knowing it already, and Shorts, the veteran, always solid, Lee might be stuck as the 4th WR all year. Granted, he was the higher draft pick, and they will want to get a return on their investment, but it's hard to sit down guys who are producing this early as rookie WRs like Hurns and Robinson are.
Bobbyn2022
Footballguy
Whose do you guys like better Robinson or Hurns?
Otis
Footballguy
They both seem worth a gamble. I went with Hurns given what he's actually done on the field to this point. The team definitely went out of its way to put the ball in Robinson's hands this week. But Bortles loves Hurns. I think we won't have a verdict until we see a couple of games with Bortles starting.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Lee was the higher pick but both him and Robinson were 2nd round picks, so I wouldnt put much value into what the organization expects/wants (as Lee was touted as the better talent throughout his collegiate career and higher rated prospect).Ghost Rider said:
As a Penn State fan, all I can say is I think the NFL undervalued Robinson going into the draft. He's not fast, but some would say speed is one of his negatives which I wouldnt agree with. Has great RAC ability and knows how to get open. As a college player, he reminded me of someone who at the pro level translated to Derrick Mason and Muhsin Muhammad. He's more similar in size to Muhammad but IMO closer to Mason with his skillset. Im not expecting him to have the longevity of those guys, and maybe that comparison would disappoint some as far as Robinson's upside, but I wouldnt think so.
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Xue
Footballguy
How does Bortles love Hurns when Robinson had more targets?Otis said:They both seem worth a gamble. I went with Hurns given what he's actually done on the field to this point. The team definitely went out of its way to put the ball in Robinson's hands this week. But Bortles loves Hurns. I think we won't have a verdict until we see a couple of games with Bortles starting.Bobbyn2022 said:
Henry Ford
Footballguy
60 yards receiving in the first half of Bortles' first start.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Another busted coverage on Hurns in this game. Wide open for the easiest TD most NFL WRs will ever see (no one within 20 yards, he was practically fielding a punt), but he bobbles the ball, barely hangs on, and falls over short of the endzone and gets tackled as he tries to get up.
I love how open he always seems to be, but man I can't recall someone blowing more of those opportunities.
I love how open he always seems to be, but man I can't recall someone blowing more of those opportunities.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The mental mistakes are understandable for a rookie, but a rookie who gets that open is a rare thing.
Todem
Footballguy
Brandon Marshall circa 2011 as a Miami Dolphin. I watched him flat out drop 8 sure fire easy TD's.
Was insane.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Agreed. And on my dynasty team, if he turns into Marshall I'll be bragging for a decade.
Todem
Footballguy
I don't know about Marshall heights....but this kid is for real. A solid WR. Again....I was shocked he went un-drafted. 40 times are over analyzed to a fault by too many front offices. He has great football speed. A crisp and precise route runner. And I am a little surprised with his case of the dropsies....because he had hands of glue at UM.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
He's pressing a bit. He'll get over it I believe.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
He's a rookie whose points just assured me a win in a dynasty league where I have twelve players on a bye.I'm glad I didn't start Robinson instead.
Otis
Footballguy
And yet the fantasy sharks keep talking about Robinson as though Hurns isn't even there. I don't get it.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Speak for yourself. Robinson secured my victory in my 50PPT (50 points per target) league. I would have lost if I'd started Hurns.
cstu
Footballguy
until the 2nd half.
Since the 1st quarter of week 1 he's had two big plays - the 63 yard TD week 3 and the 44 yard catch today.
Outside of those two plays he has 5 catches for 37 yards. I'm not taking away those big plays but he's still very flukish to me.
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Not week 2.
Really hard to gauge what the pecking order is going to be when things settle in- QB change, lot's of injuries, etc.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Yup forgot he left that game early.
football_genus
Footballguy
