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QB Brian Hoyer, LV (1 Viewer)
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Dismattle
Footballguy
good deal Tony! I actually took the time to post, before I picked him up. lolJust picked him up in my start 2 QB league.
How do you think Hoyer played? I was sorta expecting a good showing tbh, but not quite 38 points (big points League).
Anyone else care to offer input? I mean would it be shocking to not see him play vs. CIN if Weeden is healthy (Cincy has a pick in every game this yr) game reeks of QB2 tbh
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Brownie homers, is there any way Weeden plays next week? I just have to get through the Rodgers bye, we have open add drops and i have Hoyer and Weeden burning two spots on my pine and I want to cut Weeden. I didn't see the game yesterday but I figure it would have to be some kind of "Major League" tank the season gimmick for Hoyer not to play next week, right?
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
39pts for me, too. I was pretty pleased with his production and they are going to be losing more often than not. I see no reason why he couldn't help out weekly throwing the ball to Gordon & Cameron. Of course Geno Smith's 60pts were on my bench, but that is the nature of the beast in 2 QB leagues. Cut down on the INT's and we may have something here.good deal Tony! I actually took the time to post, before I picked him up. lolJust picked him up in my start 2 QB league.
How do you think Hoyer played? I was sorta expecting a good showing tbh, but not quite 38 points (big points League).
Anyone else care to offer input? I mean would it be shocking to not see him play vs. CIN if Weeden is healthy (Cincy has a pick in every game this yr) game reeks of QB2 tbh
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B-Deep
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
if they put Weeden back in, then i will believe they are trying to tank the season. he's done in Cleveland. wouldn't be surprised if he was traded. not that they could get much for him.
JFS171
Footballguy
Only thing holding me back for dynasty is his age, quite honestly. And the fact that I'm already carrying three QBs in a start 1 QB league.
If he's not claimed on waivers though, I may have to take the chance. I had him on my roster for a bit of last week, but had to cut him for a Kicker.
If he's not claimed on waivers though, I may have to take the chance. I had him on my roster for a bit of last week, but had to cut him for a Kicker.
swirvenirvin
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
His first two int's were bad. Stared down his WR, Harrison Smith read his eyes, and just walked in front of the play. There are going to be hair pulling plays like that, but between his pocket mobility, quick decision making, and this offense aggressively going down field it'll lead to more stat heavy days too.good deal Tony! I actually took the time to post, before I picked him up. lolJust picked him up in my start 2 QB league.
How do you think Hoyer played? I was sorta expecting a good showing tbh, but not quite 38 points (big points League).
Anyone else care to offer input? I mean would it be shocking to not see him play vs. CIN if Weeden is healthy (Cincy has a pick in every game this yr) game reeks of QB2 tbh
MAC_32
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yeah, he started a game 10 days after being signed midseason to a trainwreck in progress.
Shutout
Footballguy
I'm not saying this as an endorsement for Hoyer but I am so confident that Weeden is cooked that I will be dropping him outright in the league I have him in.
Browns got a win and that's the alpha and omega in the NFL. IT would be incredibly difficult to justify going back to Weeden now.
Browns got a win and that's the alpha and omega in the NFL. IT would be incredibly difficult to justify going back to Weeden now.
The Arizona OL was horrendous last year. It doesn't matter how much talent you have or don't have if you don't have adequate time to throw. I'm not saying he is the next Peyton Manning, but I wouldn't use his AZ time to discount him just yet.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Faust
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Smart to time these updates of his rehab and how he's looking forward to competing from Browns QB Brian Hoyer right now when the Browns are conducting the scheduled private workouts with the top QB prospects of the upcoming draft.
The Browns just had their private workout with Fresno State QB Derrek Carr.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/01/derek-carr-says-his-browns-workout-went-exactly-how-he-wanted/
I like it.
The Browns just had their private workout with Fresno State QB Derrek Carr.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/01/derek-carr-says-his-browns-workout-went-exactly-how-he-wanted/
So for Hoyer to time reports of his successful rehab and how much he's looking forward to competing against a rookie QB he gets out in front of stories of workout reports like the Derrek Carr workout that apparently went well so instead of the Clevelad media wondering how Brian Hoyer is reacting to these reports he has already anticipated this and has put out his story so he isn't forced to comment on each and every workout report.
I like it.
Faust
MVP
Faust
MVP
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SaintsInDome2006
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Hoyer was good in his short time last year, but even Campbell looked good and that was Turner's offense. And he will be lacking Gordon most likely at the start of the season, probably at least a half.
Is there any chance Hoyer starts the season as starter, and if so what is his potential in the Shanahan offense?
Is there any chance Hoyer starts the season as starter, and if so what is his potential in the Shanahan offense?
lod01
Footballguy
I think so but he's doomed. If Gordon was there, he would have a fighting chance to retain the job through the year as they are real close to being a contender. Without Gordon, once they drop a few games early, the move will be made.
Pots
Footballguy
i'm a big hoyer fan but i can't see him holding off manzier for too long unless he just plays lights out. possible but seems a bit of a long shot.
Also like how Hoyer looked for ALL of his 3 Career starts , and he only finished 2 of them.
Let's keep it In the proper perspective, he played all of 9 quarters of football, and he is coming off of an ACL surgery.
Manziel will likely be the starter, unless he just sucks out loud all thru camp.
daveR
Footballguy
Catbird
Footballguy
I think it will be QB chaos whoever starts out of camp. If its Hoyer - which seems the more likely - as soon as he throws a couple of INTs or fails to bring the Browns back in a close game, the fans outcry for Manziel will be overwhelming. Give us our future! So they'll bring him in around game 4-6 at the latest and he'll be worse (he may or may not have NFL QB talent, but he almost certainly won't be a decent NFL starter by early this season). Then, when he helps throw away a couple of games, the Hoyer supporting fans will muster a charge about bringing him back ... and if Manziel starts the season and isn't ready/capable, the Hoyer guys will be screaming for the guy who has 'had success' and he'll come in until a couple of losses follow ... either way it will be a huge two-sided argument. In their tough division, I don't see much chance of QB success without Gordon and only Cameron as a stellar receiver. I fear that as losses mount, so will frustration. I don't see a .550 season, but instead lots of QB controversy and dashed hopes.
IMO, the best they can do is something like declare during camp that Manziel is not ready and Hoyer is the starter for the first half of the season and stick to that (and it wouldn't hurt Manziel's cockiness to watch while trying to earn a chance to start). If they do all right, they have something to build on. If not, they will have given Hoyer his chance and can go to Manziel without a huge fan contingent screaming to switch back to Hoyer even if Manziel is worse in his first few apearances.
IMO, the best they can do is something like declare during camp that Manziel is not ready and Hoyer is the starter for the first half of the season and stick to that (and it wouldn't hurt Manziel's cockiness to watch while trying to earn a chance to start). If they do all right, they have something to build on. If not, they will have given Hoyer his chance and can go to Manziel without a huge fan contingent screaming to switch back to Hoyer even if Manziel is worse in his first few apearances.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
It's possible for Cleveland to start out close to 6-2. Their schedule is pretty weak for the first half of the season. Their 2nd half is tougher but they could very well be making a playoff push with Hoyer starting. If that happens, will Browns fans clamor for Manziel?
Of course, they could also fall apart without Gordon and an unknown running game.
It depends on the situation. In this case , Manziel just needs to be as good as Hoyer, or maybe even just close.
You see, the current HMFIC have nothing invested in Hoyer and a First round pick invested in Manziel.
Yeah, kind of sucks for Hoyer, but he is who he is, a 5 year journeyman backup with very little playing time to his name.
If the Browns are to hit on their first round pick of Manziel, he Should be able to beat that out for the starters job.
Time will tell.
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daveR
Footballguy
So... Where a player is taken in the draft should be the determining factor when selecting a starter, right? Being taken #22 overall automatically makes you a better QB, right?
What made the difference between #22 (Weedon) and Hoyer last year?
Your last sentence just buttressed my case.Last year, Hoyer was clearly the better QB, yet Weeden got the nod, they had more invested in Weeds and needed to see if it would blossom.
You can hate the process , but it is , what it is.
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daveR
Footballguy
I suppose, if that's the result you want, that's the criterion you should use.
Clearly Hoyer was superior, last year. He is more experienced reading defenses and his release was WAY superior to Weeden. If JF$ is as good in those categories, he should yield equal or better results. If not, he should wait until he is.
BTW, Weeds was not a rookie last year. He was the incumbent starter.
