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Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?

 
ESPN might actually improve a bit if they can dump SAS and First Take after this.
No chance. Its ratings are supposedly too high now. But if this nonsense SAS spewed gets covered by the news networks and really blows up, they might have to ditch him. The show would still survive with Bayless and whoever, sadly.

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
Well, you really have to start about 10,000 years ago...

then fast-forward to the irony of a black man essentially saying that the best way to avoid being horribly mistreated is to placate those bestowing the horrible treatment...

 
now let's go to First Take for some thoughts on the Malaysian plane that got shot down

Stephen A: I'M NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT TO SHOOT DOWN A PLANE. YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER SHOOT DOWN A PLANE. EVER. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING IF ME AND MY BOYS KNEW YOU WAS ABOUT TO SHOOT DOWN A PLANE YOU WOULD BE DEALT WITH.

NOW HOLD ON. MAYBE NOT BY ME. I WORK FOR THE WORLDWIDE LEADER. BUT I WOULD CONTACT THE PROPER AUTH-OR-ATIES AND MAKE SURE THEY DEAL WITH IT.

BUT WHAT I AM SAYING HERE IS THAT WE AS A SOCIETY NEED TO START TAKING PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES. WHAT WERE YOU DOING GETTING ON A PLANE FLYING OVER THE UKRAINE ANYWAYS? YOU DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A WAR GOING ON?

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING HERE SKIP. NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD BLOW UP THAT PLANE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. I AM THE SON OF A PILOT. THREE PILOTS ACTUALLY. JUST SAYING YOU MAYBE SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN ON THAT PLANE. THAT'S IT.
SAS's mentor

 
You would think after the Solange - Jay-Z video surfaced, you'd realize these situations weren't so black and white. If Jay-Z had hip tossed her to the floor, would he have been in the wrong there?

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
While I can see what you are trying for with that link, it's not quite the same thing. By all accounts, Rice didn't just attack his fiance out of nowhere, she hit him. Ray is responsible for his actions but so is she.

Whenever my kids get into a fight I have to tell the older one to stop hitting his brother, but I also have to tell the younger one to stop antagonizing his brother.

All I'm taking from Smith is that women should stop antagonizing their SO when it's getting to a point of violence. It seems like common sense to me. :shrug:

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
While I can see what you are trying for with that link, it's not quite the same thing. By all accounts, Rice didn't just attack his fiance out of nowhere, she hit him. Ray is responsible for his actions but so is she.

Whenever my kids get into a fight I have to tell the older one to stop hitting his brother, but I also have to tell the younger one to stop antagonizing his brother.

All I'm taking from Smith is that women should stop antagonizing their SO when it's getting to a point of violence. It seems like common sense to me. :shrug:
Maybe Rice antagonized her to the point of violence first. It's irrelevant, adult men shouldn't hit women and they certainly shouldn't knock them unconscious regardless of provocation.

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
Schtick?
No. The way I read it didn't let Ray Rice off the hook. It was more of speaking to the problem of people/women not backing down when it is starting to go to far.
Oh, okay. Hell yeah!! We as men just can't help but smack our women if they don't bow down to us. Amirite????
LOL. So you never back down from anyone or anything ever?

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
While I can see what you are trying for with that link, it's not quite the same thing. By all accounts, Rice didn't just attack his fiance out of nowhere, she hit him. Ray is responsible for his actions but so is she.

Whenever my kids get into a fight I have to tell the older one to stop hitting his brother, but I also have to tell the younger one to stop antagonizing his brother.

All I'm taking from Smith is that women should stop antagonizing their SO when it's getting to a point of violence. It seems like common sense to me. :shrug:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Jesus christ you're as delusional as SAS.

 
and...here.....we......gooooooooooo!

Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
While I can see what you are trying for with that link, it's not quite the same thing. By all accounts, Rice didn't just attack his fiance out of nowhere, she hit him. Ray is responsible for his actions but so is she.

Whenever my kids get into a fight I have to tell the older one to stop hitting his brother, but I also have to tell the younger one to stop antagonizing his brother.

All I'm taking from Smith is that women should stop antagonizing their SO when it's getting to a point of violence. It seems like common sense to me. :shrug:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Jesus christ you're as delusional as SAS.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d4/d4301e5f2fbbfcb5dac964b6aaaad3dc0d016ae83528104e6d1fbee4840b6ac8.jpg

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
Schtick?
No. The way I read it didn't let Ray Rice off the hook. It was more of speaking to the problem of people/women not backing down when it is starting to go to far.
Ray Rice should be taking his lumps (per se) for his behavior on its own, independent of what she did. On their own merits:

Her behavior = Absolutely awful, likely even criminal (attempted battery)

His behavior = Multiples worse than her behavior and absolutely criminal

SAS is best to leave out even the slightest hint of cause-and-effect because while things were spiraling out of control, both are ultimately in charge of their behavior.

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
While I can see what you are trying for with that link, it's not quite the same thing. By all accounts, Rice didn't just attack his fiance out of nowhere, she hit him. Ray is responsible for his actions but so is she.

Whenever my kids get into a fight I have to tell the older one to stop hitting his brother, but I also have to tell the younger one to stop antagonizing his brother.

All I'm taking from Smith is that women should stop antagonizing their SO when it's getting to a point of violence. It seems like common sense to me. :shrug:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Jesus christ you're as delusional as SAS.
So you just cannot look at it from a place of self preservation? I'm not saying that she had it coming, I'm saying she shouldn't have hit him in the first place.

She has clearly decided to be with a man that can and will hit her, so she probably shouldn't get physical with him.

 
Bucky86 "No, I do back down. I'm not some mouth breather whose first course of action is to knockout my girlfriend."

Good

There are things that I can say that will set my wife off, right or wrong on her part I don't say those things so that I don't have to deal with the repercussions.

Again. I am not saying he was right or justified in any sense.

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
He was asking for it. If he didn't want to be raped assaulted hated he would have kept his mouth shut.
No, that's not his point. His point is that people can and should protect themselves when possible. And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.

I can't stand Smith. But he doesn't deserve to get in trouble for this one.

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
He was asking for it. If he didn't want to be raped assaulted hated he would have kept his mouth shut.
No, that's not his point. His point is that people can and should protect themselves when possible. And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.I can't stand Smith. But he doesn't deserve to get in trouble for this one.
If he protected himself by keeping his mouth shut he wouldnt be getting this hate. He provoked this attack by speaking on the topic. He doesn't spout off and no one hates him*. He didn't protect himself and now he is paying for it.

*for this issue. Everyone would obviously still hate him because he's a blowhard.

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
He was asking for it. If he didn't want to be raped assaulted hated he would have kept his mouth shut.
No, that's not his point. His point is that people can and should protect themselves when possible. And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.I can't stand Smith. But he doesn't deserve to get in trouble for this one.
If he protected himself by keeping his mouth shut he wouldnt be getting this hate. He provoked this attack by speaking on the topic. He doesn't spout off and no one hates him*. He didn't protect himself and now he is paying for it.

*for this issue. Everyone would obviously still hate him because he's a blowhard.
:lmao:

 
now let's go to First Take for some thoughts on the Malaysian plane that got shot down

Stephen A: I'M NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT TO SHOOT DOWN A PLANE. YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER SHOOT DOWN A PLANE. EVER. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING IF ME AND MY BOYS KNEW YOU WAS ABOUT TO SHOOT DOWN A PLANE YOU WOULD BE DEALT WITH.

NOW HOLD ON. MAYBE NOT BY ME. I WORK FOR THE WORLDWIDE LEADER. BUT I WOULD CONTACT THE PROPER AUTH-OR-ATIES AND MAKE SURE THEY DEAL WITH IT.

BUT WHAT I AM SAYING HERE IS THAT WE AS A SOCIETY NEED TO START TAKING PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES. WHAT WERE YOU DOING GETTING ON A PLANE FLYING OVER THE UKRAINE ANYWAYS? YOU DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A WAR GOING ON?

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING HERE SKIP. NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD BLOW UP THAT PLANE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. I AM THE SON OF A PILOT. THREE PILOTS ACTUALLY. JUST SAYING YOU MAYBE SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN ON THAT PLANE. THAT'S IT.
:lmao:

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
While I can see what you are trying for with that link, it's not quite the same thing. By all accounts, Rice didn't just attack his fiance out of nowhere, she hit him. Ray is responsible for his actions but so is she.Whenever my kids get into a fight I have to tell the older one to stop hitting his brother, but I also have to tell the younger one to stop antagonizing his brother.

All I'm taking from Smith is that women should stop antagonizing their SO when it's getting to a point of violence. It seems like common sense to me. :shrug:
Wow. (On several levels).

 
Can someone explain why all the hate for Smith? If you take emotion out of it, what exactly is he saying that you have a problem with?
He was asking for it. If he didn't want to be raped assaulted hated he would have kept his mouth shut.
No, that's not his point. His point is that people can and should protect themselves when possible. And there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.I can't stand Smith. But he doesn't deserve to get in trouble for this one.
:lmao:
 
Fred Savage of all people.

Great idea @stephenasmith! We should look into what women to do provoke beatings.Let's also examine poor fist dodging.That's a cause too,no?
He hit on one of my (female) friends in college. Actually true.

To be very clear, hit on, not hit.
He hit on Topanga when he was a college professor too. Then tried to get Cory kicked out of school. He's not a good person.

 
I am dying.

Tiki Barber is here, everyone pretend youre a 14 year old virgin and give it up for him. Tikis the Marlon Wayans of the NFL fokls: his twin works harder then him, no one takes him serously on TV, and he got alot of #### for being in White Girls. Hey Tiki is it embarassning that you were on TV first and then Michael Strahan came a long and was better then you? Im not kidding folks NBC dropped Tiki Barber like he was a football being carried by Tiki Barber.
:lmao:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/1/5956923/hall-of-fame-class-2014-roast-michael-strahan

 
I am dying.

Tiki Barber is here, everyone pretend youre a 14 year old virgin and give it up for him. Tikis the Marlon Wayans of the NFL fokls: his twin works harder then him, no one takes him serously on TV, and he got alot of #### for being in White Girls. Hey Tiki is it embarassning that you were on TV first and then Michael Strahan came a long and was better then you? Im not kidding folks NBC dropped Tiki Barber like he was a football being carried by Tiki Barber.
:lmao:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/1/5956923/hall-of-fame-class-2014-roast-michael-strahan
:lmao:

 
Bump

The NFL has produced so many HST-worthy stories these past two weeks that my head is spinning.

 

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