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Illegal Immigrant sues firefighters who saved his life (1 Viewer)
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Probably felt like longer because he was trapped upside-down in a car for two hours in a flood.
T Bell
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Cool. Arrest him when he shows up for court and deport him. We ain't got time for this.
Mile High
Footballguy
Probably shouldn't have even been on the road. As someone who lives in boulder country there was nowhere to go. Every river,creek and drainage ditch were out of their banks and over the roads every where.
People with any sense stayed off the roads like they were asked to do.
People with any sense stayed off the roads like they were asked to do.
timschochet
Footballguy
Absolutely nothing.
Hilts
Footballguy
Exactly. Disgusting display of "journalism" from Fox News. Par for the course, I suppose.
EYLive
Footballguy
Roy Ortiz has every right, if not MORE right than YOU, to be in this country. AND he expects his life to be saved in a timely manner by rescuers, regardless of how dangerous the flood was to the incompetent negligent firefighters. [/Tim]
jonessed
Footballguy
It depends on your position with regard to illegal immigration. I don't think we should be obligated to provide the same level of services to people who are here illegally that we provide to those who are here legally. The divers obviously did their best to help him regardless, but I don't believe he should be entitled to sue.I imagine this is a point of contention with those that feel illegal immigrants should be considered legal for all intents and purposes.
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Hilts
Footballguy
Good point. They should have left him there until he was able to prove his immigration status.
He wouldn't have needed to be rescued if he wasn't there. I say we give him 500 pesos and a free trip home.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Everything---you don't get the rights the American Judicial system affords if you are not here legally.
Sorry with rights come responsibilities.
It very much like the people that file motions to appear by phone in civil lawsuits because they know they have bench warrants for their arrest in criminal cases and they know if they show up, they will be remanded. Guess what? Motion denied!! You don't get the benefit of suing someone if you are a fugitive and that applies to American citizens.
jonessed
Footballguy
Don't start parsing statements to misrepresent people. That's lowbrow crap.
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Pedro debió quedarse donde estaba legal y que no sería un problema . Espalda Mojada
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
What?? So you honestly believe the first responders knew his status and that is why they delayed getting him?
Or is it more likely it was such a dangerous situation, they couldn't get to him in a timely, safe manner? As one of the earlier people posted, the roads were all closed and driving was discouraged. He put himself at risk choosing to ignore the warnings to not drive.
17seconds
root of all aliai
His lawyer became irritated and didn't give a straight answer to Gretchen Carlson when she asked if he was illegal!! He doesn't think it even matters. But then he told her SECRETLY during a commercial break that it was true. What a jerk!
He's suing because he needs money to pay his bills. WHAT?! I pay MY bills and I don't have to sue firefighters to do it!!!
OMG I'm so worked up over this
He's suing because he needs money to pay his bills. WHAT?! I pay MY bills and I don't have to sue firefighters to do it!!!
OMG I'm so worked up over this
Hilts
Footballguy
Which services do you feel he should be denied, being rescued in an emergency situation or the ability to sue for negligence?
jonessed
Footballguy
The ability to sue a municipality because a service they provided didn't meet his standards.
Hilts
Footballguy
He believes it was negligence which caused his delayed rescue. He should be able to sue over that. It's up to the courts to determine the validity of his claim.
Mile High
Footballguy
He's the one who was negligence. If you got trapped by the floods on 287 that would mean you choose to drive through raging water flowing over the highway.
squistion
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
Hilts
Footballguy
I don't disagree. But we could be wrong. Court will decide. His immigration status doesn't play a role here.
Hilts
Footballguy
Barring persons from suing agencies over negligence if they're illegal would set an extremely bad precedent, imo.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
no duty to rescue, but duty to pursue rescue reasonably and to not abandon it unreasonably ounce undertaken.
Government Immunity in Colorado. Section 24-10-101 et. seq. C.R.S.
Dive team is likely multi-agency and to include volunteers.
Castle Rock v. Gonzales
Suit is frivolous. Attorney should be sanctioned. Attorney and client both should catch a beat down. Even frivolous suits have tremendous costs to those involved, both financial and emotional. It is not unlikely that this suit will endanger others as well as many swift water rescue, and high altitude rescue teams in Colorado rely on volunteers. Some of those volunteers may reconsider their efforts given this suit, even though Section 24-10-106 C.R.S. will protect them. I mean who needs the aggravation. Well I can tell you that rescue resources are already underfunded and understaffed in this state. What we don't need is avalanche victims, lightening victims, climbing victims and drowning victims having less rescue options.
SCRG
GCSAR
Government Immunity in Colorado. Section 24-10-101 et. seq. C.R.S.
Dive team is likely multi-agency and to include volunteers.
Castle Rock v. Gonzales
Suit is frivolous. Attorney should be sanctioned. Attorney and client both should catch a beat down. Even frivolous suits have tremendous costs to those involved, both financial and emotional. It is not unlikely that this suit will endanger others as well as many swift water rescue, and high altitude rescue teams in Colorado rely on volunteers. Some of those volunteers may reconsider their efforts given this suit, even though Section 24-10-106 C.R.S. will protect them. I mean who needs the aggravation. Well I can tell you that rescue resources are already underfunded and understaffed in this state. What we don't need is avalanche victims, lightening victims, climbing victims and drowning victims having less rescue options.
SCRG
GCSAR
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
If I recall his story correctly his vehicle was subject to cursory examination. They missed seeing him. They went on to other high priority rescues and then got around to him on a discount double check, at which time they saw him and rescued him. Perhaps I am thinking of somebody else.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
No, I think that's him. And I think the attorney's argument is that they didn't properly or reasonably undertake the rescue, and that's why they missed him. Once the divers had a look and said "nobody here!" He lost any chance of anyone trying to rescue him until they came back after 2 hours in the vehicle.
Hilts
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
They didn't rescue me fast enough! Whaaaa
Parrothead
Footballguy
just send him a bill for the rescue services.. a big one
Mr. Ected
Footballguy
What ticked me off about the article was not that it was about an illegal alien, but just that some schmuck was suing the FD. Who cares about his citizenship? Why should anyone be able to sue the FD? It was a FLOOD! They might have been a bit busy!!!jonessed said:
/rant
Of course the only reason to include his citizenship status was to increase readership.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
So basically you are saying that even if he was a legal american citizen he would be just as big of a pile of crap.timschochet said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Yep.
Unless there is something really shocking that we don't know, I hate these type of lawsuits. Firefighters and police work hard to save peoples' lives, and this is what they get? It's disgusting. It's beyond disgusting, and the guy suing is an ####### or an idiot or both. And his lawyer is even worse of a scumbag.
But- the fact that he's an illegal immigrant is immaterial and it sucks to me that people focus on it as if it mattered.
timschochet
Footballguy
You'[[re absolutely right, jonessed. But where were you in post #10, when EY Live did the exact same thing to me? You've responded to several posts in this thread, but on that one you were strangely silent.jonessed said:
jonessed
Footballguy
I obviously commented because he parsed my post. I would expect you to comment if someone parses your post.
timschochet
Footballguy
I see. You're right. I apologize.
I obviously commented because he parsed my post. I would expect you to comment if someone parses your post.
The General
Footballguy
The fact he's suing for this is annoying. That he's an illegal immigrant makes it even more so.
This case will be thrown out.
This case will be thrown out.
timschochet
Footballguy
Sand, nowhere in that article does it state that Ortiz is from Mexico.
And it doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant how he got here. Now that he's here, he has every right to sue, and NOT to be deported. (We shouldn't deport anyone except those who have committed felonies). If he wants to be a scumbag and sue the fire department, that's his business. I hope he loses, badly. I wish he and his attorney would have to pay a fine for suing in the first place. But let's stop bringing up his legal status.
And it doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant how he got here. Now that he's here, he has every right to sue, and NOT to be deported. (We shouldn't deport anyone except those who have committed felonies). If he wants to be a scumbag and sue the fire department, that's his business. I hope he loses, badly. I wish he and his attorney would have to pay a fine for suing in the first place. But let's stop bringing up his legal status.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
His legal status matters. Kind of like how we wouldn't hold a driver at fault for hitting a pedestrian crossing the freeway at night.
EYLive
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
That doesn't surprise me, given how you foolishly attempted to interpret my thoughts before. People often laugh to hide their own embarrassment.And not in a Christo way either. I'm actually laughing at you.
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