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** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (2 Viewers)

I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.

 
I'm sad Desean is gone. The Eagles could have kept him if they wanted to. But let's not get crazy with his effect here. The game of football is won in the trenches, and the Eagles have one of the top offensive lines in the game. They will be fine and have more than enough weapons.
I was looking forward to an offense that had McCoy, Jackson, Sproles, Ertz & Maclin. Having DJax was obviously a plus. But is it just me or is the hype machine way out of control? I mean I've seen him compared to Hall of Famers over the last couple of days. He's always been a nice player but before last season was anyone thinking DJax and HoF in the same sentence? Did anyone else view him as one of the NFLs elite WRs coming off '11 & '12?

Maybe its just me....

 
I'm sad Desean is gone. The Eagles could have kept him if they wanted to. But let's not get crazy with his effect here. The game of football is won in the trenches, and the Eagles have one of the top offensive lines in the game. They will be fine and have more than enough weapons.
I was looking forward to an offense that had McCoy, Jackson, Sproles, Ertz & Maclin. Having DJax was obviously a plus. But is it just me or is the hype machine way out of control? I mean I've seen him compared to Hall of Famers over the last couple of days. He's always been a nice player but before last season was anyone thinking DJax and HoF in the same sentence? Did anyone else view him as one of the NFLs elite WRs coming off '11 & '12?

Maybe its just me....
Like I mentioned in one of the other threads--Coming into last season we arguably had one of the worst WR cores in NFC (maybe the worst in the division) and that was WITH Desean.

I feel the same about him as I did with Reid and McNabb before him--He was good, not great. The guy calling and creating the plays--the guy who set all the Eagle records for offense in year one with arguably the worst WR core in the NFC saud he didnt need him--I'm OK with that. That's the best way I can say it.

I'm all about the draft now

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Reaaaaaally hate to say this, but I was going to mention the other day how it sounds like we are trying to talk ourselves into thinking this is a good thing FOR US (I'm as guilty as anyone about this).

And well, that 2nd part, pretty sure we've been there the last 5 years too :P

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Reaaaaaally hate to say this, but I was going to mention the other day how it sounds like we are trying to talk ourselves into thinking this is a good thing FOR US (I'm as guilty as anyone about this). And well, that 2nd part, pretty sure we've been there the last 5 years too :P
I never really got the impression a majority of the fans were talking themselves into thinking it was good for us. IMO, it seemed as if we were never as high on him as national people (ala Reid and McNabb) were and many seemed to just trust what Chip chose.

As far as the coaches we have had 2 in the last 15 years. I believe they have had 7 or 8 since then.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Reaaaaaally hate to say this, but I was going to mention the other day how it sounds like we are trying to talk ourselves into thinking this is a good thing FOR US (I'm as guilty as anyone about this). And well, that 2nd part, pretty sure we've been there the last 5 years too :P
I never really got the impression a majority of the fans were talking themselves into thinking it was good for us. IMO, it seemed as if we were never as high on him as national people (ala Reid and McNabb) were and many seemed to just trust what Chip chose. As far as the coaches we have had 2 in the last 15 years. I believe they have had 7 or 8 since then.
I disagree. Theres a few people who are very upset about this. A few people who are overjoyed by this. Some that want to trust in chip and the rest that are in a wait and see mode.

Either way, I feel they owe us an explanation for their song and dance with the gang non sense.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Struck a nerve huh?

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Struck a nerve huh?
I am sure I did.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Struck a nerve huh?
I am sure I did.
Surprised you all didn't sign him too.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Struck a nerve huh?
I am sure I did.
Surprised you all didn't sign him too.
No dog torturer/murderers allowed.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Struck a nerve huh?
I am sure I did.
Surprised you all didn't sign him too.
No dog torturer/murderers allowed.
Ha Snyder drawing the line....no such thing. He will sign anything.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Reaaaaaally hate to say this, but I was going to mention the other day how it sounds like we are trying to talk ourselves into thinking this is a good thing FOR US (I'm as guilty as anyone about this). And well, that 2nd part, pretty sure we've been there the last 5 years too :P

I never really got the impression a majority of the fans were talking themselves into thinking it was good for us. IMO, it seemed as if we were never as high on him as national people (ala Reid and McNabb) were and many seemed to just trust what Chip chose.

As far as the coaches we have had 2 in the last 15 years. . I believe they have had 7 or 8 since then.
I think a lot of people in here are trying to talk themselves into it. We all seemed to not like the move at first, but are now throwing up stats like how bad he was without chip, how maclin was better last year, his height, contract, etc. Even when I'm talking to friends about it I'm taking that stance that it is good for us too, but secretly I'm a little worried... but I think I've talked myself into being happy about the move and sticking with it haha.

It sucks that we're going to have to talk about this and speculate for so long until the season starts. I want nothing more then for him to fail miserably next year. I still think we split with them next year and win the div with 10 wins, and skins will improve a lot and compete in every game but still do no better then 8-8.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Of course the ring thing comes up. My cousin is the only reason you have your last ring anyways :P

But you've pretty much trolled all you can do, so head back now and we'll see who is better next year. I'm sure even you know the answer to that.

 
I think a lot of people in here are trying to talk themselves into it. We all seemed to not like the move at first, but are now throwing up stats like how bad he was without chip, how maclin was better last year, his height, contract, etc. Even when I'm talking to friends about it I'm taking that stance that it is good for us too, but secretly I'm a little worried... but I think I've talked myself into being happy about the move and sticking with it haha.

It sucks that we're going to have to talk about this and speculate for so long until the season starts. I want nothing more then for him to fail miserably next year. I still think we split with them next year and win the div with 10 wins, and skins will improve a lot and compete in every game but still do no better then 8-8.
I'm firmly in the "wait and see" group. I recognize this how potentially bad this is, but I'm not freaking out over it. As far as the stats and comments about Maclin and previous seasons, I'm just trying to keep it in perspective. Like I mentioned, the hype machine is in full force. To hear some people talk, their one season away from building the DeSean Jackson wing in Canton. Makes you wonder how 31 other teams were able to survive without him.

 
Mon Apr 12 12:29am EDT

Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to Jets for a used blocking sled

By MJD

The first surprising news of the evening was that the Pittsburgh Steelers traded troubled wide receiver Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets.

Second, and even more shocking, were the reports of what the Steelers got from the Jets in return: a 5th-round draft pick.

Just to recap, Santonio Holmes is 26 years old, a former first-round draft pick, has racked up 3,835 receiving yards in his four years in the league, become a favorite target of Ben Roethlisberger and, oh yeah, won a Super Bowl MVP.

And all he could fetch in a trade was a 5th-rounder?

Sure, Santonio may have some substance-related issues, and he may enjoy some inappropriate beverage-hurling, but still, a fifth-round pick? That seems closer to the asking price for Limas Sweed than Santonio Holmes.

It's a nice acquisition for the Jets, but for a lot of reasons, it's a much bigger deal for Pittsburgh. Let's start with on-the-field repercussions. This weakens the Steelers, without question. Rookie third receiver Mike Wallace was impressive last year and everything, but let's not get carried away: He's had one year, in which he made 39 catches as a number three receiver on whom no one was focusing their defense. That is not the same as producing Santonio-like stats as a number two.

And I always felt like there was great on-field chemistry between Ben Roethlisberger and Holmes. So many times when Roethlisberger ran for his life and extended a play about 8 seconds beyond its original design, he looked at Holmes to get open and bail him out. Holmes had the physical skills and the right mindset to play with a quarterback who improvises as much as Roethlisberger.

For a team that features the passing game as heavily as the Steelers, this is a very bold move. It's a risk.

So why take it? Well, the most likely thing is that the Steelers felt they had to do it. With all the recent negative headlines surrounding the team, I guess they felt like they had to send a message to potential troublemakers: If you behave like an idiot, you cannot be a Pittsburgh Steeler.

I still question taking the short end of the stick in a trade in order to make that point, but, you know, if a point's got to be made ... they just made it with authority.

Ideally, this works out for the Steelers a lot like it did when they let Plaxico Burress leave as a free agent. After one Plaxico-free year, they drafted Holmes, and they were immediately back to having a fearsome duo at wide receiver. If everything goes perfectly, Wallace steps into that role now, and he and Ward are still a receiving force to be reckoned with.

More importantly, the message (which SI's Peter King has already described as "shot across the bow to Big Ben") gets through, too, and the Steelers can take a baby step back towards being viewed as an organization that only employs football players of decent character.
 
Mon Apr 12 12:29am EDT

Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to Jets for a used blocking sled

By MJD

The first surprising news of the evening was that the Pittsburgh Steelers traded troubled wide receiver Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets.

Second, and even more shocking, were the reports of what the Steelers got from the Jets in return: a 5th-round draft pick.

Just to recap, Santonio Holmes is 26 years old, a former first-round draft pick, has racked up 3,835 receiving yards in his four years in the league, become a favorite target of Ben Roethlisberger and, oh yeah, won a Super Bowl MVP.

And all he could fetch in a trade was a 5th-rounder?

Sure, Santonio may have some substance-related issues, and he may enjoy some inappropriate beverage-hurling, but still, a fifth-round pick? That seems closer to the asking price for Limas Sweed than Santonio Holmes.

It's a nice acquisition for the Jets, but for a lot of reasons, it's a much bigger deal for Pittsburgh. Let's start with on-the-field repercussions. This weakens the Steelers, without question. Rookie third receiver Mike Wallace was impressive last year and everything, but let's not get carried away: He's had one year, in which he made 39 catches as a number three receiver on whom no one was focusing their defense. That is not the same as producing Santonio-like stats as a number two.

And I always felt like there was great on-field chemistry between Ben Roethlisberger and Holmes. So many times when Roethlisberger ran for his life and extended a play about 8 seconds beyond its original design, he looked at Holmes to get open and bail him out. Holmes had the physical skills and the right mindset to play with a quarterback who improvises as much as Roethlisberger.

For a team that features the passing game as heavily as the Steelers, this is a very bold move. It's a risk.

So why take it? Well, the most likely thing is that the Steelers felt they had to do it. With all the recent negative headlines surrounding the team, I guess they felt like they had to send a message to potential troublemakers: If you behave like an idiot, you cannot be a Pittsburgh Steeler.

I still question taking the short end of the stick in a trade in order to make that point, but, you know, if a point's got to be made ... they just made it with authority.

Ideally, this works out for the Steelers a lot like it did when they let Plaxico Burress leave as a free agent. After one Plaxico-free year, they drafted Holmes, and they were immediately back to having a fearsome duo at wide receiver. If everything goes perfectly, Wallace steps into that role now, and he and Ward are still a receiving force to be reckoned with.

More importantly, the message (which SI's Peter King has already described as "shot across the bow to Big Ben") gets through, too, and the Steelers can take a baby step back towards being viewed as an organization that only employs football players of decent character.
I would have been satisfied with a 5th rounder.

 
Mon Apr 12 12:29am EDT

Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to Jets for a used blocking sled

By MJD

The first surprising news of the evening was that the Pittsburgh Steelers traded troubled wide receiver Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets.

Second, and even more shocking, were the reports of what the Steelers got from the Jets in return: a 5th-round draft pick.Just to recap, Santonio Holmes is 26 years old, a former first-round draft pick, has racked up 3,835 receiving yards in his four years in the league, become a favorite target of Ben Roethlisberger and, oh yeah, won a Super Bowl MVP.

And all he could fetch in a trade was a 5th-rounder?

Sure, Santonio may have some substance-related issues, and he may enjoy some inappropriate beverage-hurling, but still, a fifth-round pick? That seems closer to the asking price for Limas Sweed than Santonio Holmes.

It's a nice acquisition for the Jets, but for a lot of reasons, it's a much bigger deal for Pittsburgh. Let's start with on-the-field repercussions. This weakens the Steelers, without question. Rookie third receiver Mike Wallace was impressive last year and everything, but let's not get carried away: He's had one year, in which he made 39 catches as a number three receiver on whom no one was focusing their defense. That is not the same as producing Santonio-like stats as a number two.

And I always felt like there was great on-field chemistry between Ben Roethlisberger and Holmes. So many times when Roethlisberger ran for his life and extended a play about 8 seconds beyond its original design, he looked at Holmes to get open and bail him out. Holmes had the physical skills and the right mindset to play with a quarterback who improvises as much as Roethlisberger.

For a team that features the passing game as heavily as the Steelers, this is a very bold move. It's a risk.

So why take it? Well, the most likely thing is that the Steelers felt they had to do it. With all the recent negative headlines surrounding the team, I guess they felt like they had to send a message to potential troublemakers: If you behave like an idiot, you cannot be a Pittsburgh Steeler.

I still question taking the short end of the stick in a trade in order to make that point, but, you know, if a point's got to be made ... they just made it with authority.

Ideally, this works out for the Steelers a lot like it did when they let Plaxico Burress leave as a free agent. After one Plaxico-free year, they drafted Holmes, and they were immediately back to having a fearsome duo at wide receiver. If everything goes perfectly, Wallace steps into that role now, and he and Ward are still a receiving force to be reckoned with.

More importantly, the message (which SI's Peter King has already described as "shot across the bow to Big Ben") gets through, too, and the Steelers can take a baby step back towards being viewed as an organization that only employs football players of decent character.
I would have been satisfied with a 5th rounder.
And the Jets.
 
I'm no Jason Whitlock fan but I think he hits it right on the nail with this column

It's my belief Chip Kelly and the Philadelphia Eagles wanted to trade DeSean Jackson because the diminutive receiver is -- and always has been -- a massive headache for a coaching staff.

It's my belief Chip Kelly and the Philadelphia Eagles cut DeSean Jackson because they realized a sensationalized media report tying together the diminutive receiver's "gang ties" would eviscerate Jackson's trade value.

The people, including two-mouths-and-one-ear All-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman, screaming that Kelly and the Eagles have acted in a racist manner have chosen the wrong target.

If any group has been unfair to Jackson, if any group has judged Jackson without nuance and given in to stereotypes about black men from a certain background, it is us, the media. We are the group benefiting from a mischaracterization of Jackson's relationship with his friends and the Philadelphia Eagles. We are the group filling broadcast airtime and driving Internet clicks with analysis focused on the belief the Eagles cut Jackson because of his "gang ties" and Aaron Hernandez backlash.

I include myself in this media criticism; I participated in a "Pardon the Interruption" discussion on the day the Eagles released Jackson that could've been more substantive and accurate with additional time to reflect and research.

There is no proof and virtually no reason to believe Kelly and the Eagles released Jackson because he is friends with Los Angeles Crips. I've reread a half-dozen times the original NJ.com story that sparked the controversial narrative and set the tone for coverage of Jackson's release.

As it relates to justifying the narrative, the story is thin at best. In its own words, it contradicts the engine driving the Eagles' decision. NJ.com wrote:

"Rather, sources close to Jackson and within the Eagles' organization say, it originally was Jackson's off-field behavior that concerned the front office. A bad attitude, an inconsistent work ethic, missed meetings and a lack of chemistry with head coach Chip Kelly were the original reasons for his fall from grace, sources told NJ.com."

In the old-school journalism world, this would be considered the "nut graph," the summary of what the story would explore or prove. What caused the Eagles to sour on and decide to jettison their top receiver? His problems with Kelly? Or Jackson's unsavory friends?

This nut graph lets the reader decide, and then the story paints a weak case that Jackson's friends did him in.

From the story:

"Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com -- Jackson's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members who have been connected to two homicides since 2010. ... Before Jackson was released, a source within the Eagles organization, who requested anonymity, put it: 'They are concerned about having him around the younger players.'"

Words matter, particularly when you're writing a story that could significantly damage a person's or an organization's reputation. "Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com..."

What? This makes no sense. "They" in the sentence refers to "concerns."

The Eagles could very easily want to keep Jackson away from younger players because of his lack of work ethic and lack of professionalism unrelated to his LOS ANGELES friends. The Eagles play in PHILADELPHIA. There is no professional football team in Los Angeles.

What is indisputable, based on reports of others and my own reporting, is that Jackson has been a major headache for every coaching staff since his days at Cal. He is selfish and unreliable. He has difficulty committing to a team concept. He is uninterested in practicing hard. He coasted through an entire season because he didn't want to risk injury in a contract year.

You can't be Allen Iverson on a football team. And even Iverson got run out of Philadelphia when he was still a spectacular talent because the Sixers got tired of the headache and his bad attitude.

What the Eagles did to Jackson isn't remotely unprecedented, racist or unfair. Coaches don't like lazy, disrespectful, cancerous massive headaches. Daniel Snyder does. That's why he learned nothing from his Albert Haynesworth experience and Washington was first in line to sign Jackson. Snyder is a billionaire fan with a team. Kelly is a football coach. Unfortunately, Jackson's poor work ethic and effort in practice showed a lack of respect for coaches and his fellow players.

Kelly made his name coaching at Oregon and, like most Pac-12 coaches, routinely recruited kids from Los Angeles, kids with "gang ties." This was not his first rodeo with a young player with unscrupulous friends. Every NFL and college football coach on the planet deals with this issue.

Let me expand it. America's drug war and subsequent mass incarceration of black and brown men have made it virtually impossible for the average black man to not have friends and/or family members who are gang-affiliated. Incarceration breeds gangs and gang culture. The pervasiveness of gangs is directly connected to America's decision to be the world's leader in incarceration. It's all connected.

Let me be transparent. I have friends who are in gangs. If you search hard enough on Google, you can find pictures of me socializing with them. I'm friends with gang-affiliated gangsta rappers. I've gone to dinner with them. I've made it rain with them at the club. I've made music with them. I've made no secret I'm friends with the rapper Tech N9ne. I've appeared on one of his albums.

I'm not a thug or a wannabe gangsta. I don't own a gun. I'm a pacifist. I am a critic of commercial gangsta rap music. I don't believe you change people or their flawed perspectives from a distance. You open their minds from up close, when they realize you respect and love them.

Coaches, at their core, understand this. Yes, coaches are in the profession for the fame, the winning and the money. But they also realize they can help misguided young people find a better direction. It's a process, a procedure all coaches realize oftentimes includes sticking by players with non-choirboy friends.

Jackson isn't the first supertalented athlete to reject guidance, refuse help. There are a handful of knuckleheads in every locker room who run with the wrong crowd all the time. Coaches tolerate them as long as they're relatively responsible when it comes to football activities. Practice hard, show up to meetings on time, embrace team concepts, stay out of trouble, interact respectfully with teammates, coaches and staff and a player can spend his free time kicking it with Suge Knight and Rick Ross at King of Diamonds five nights a week.

That's a fact of life in professional athletics. It's no secret.

It's irresponsible to paint Kelly and the Eagles as racist in their dealings with Jackson. It ignores obvious facts. Sherman and others have criticized the Eagles for releasing Jackson and signing Riley Cooper to a new contract. Sherman wrote that Cooper, who was caught on video saying the N-word, has ties to "racist activities."

Sherman's argument is specious. If Cooper's actions are the standard, I'd argue the overwhelming majority of us have ties to racist activity. Sherman's argument is nothing more than faux outrage to fuel his column on Sports Illustrated's Monday Morning Quarterback site. He's allegedly incensed by Cooper's use of the word, but thinks it's racist for the NFL to ask black players to quit using the word in a work environment.

Someone please tell Richard Sherman the Creator gave us two ears, two eyes and one mouth for a reason. We are supposed to do four times as much listening and observing as talking, especially when we are young. Our hearing and vision diminish as we age. We can always talk. Think about it.

Rather than having an unsophisticated discussion revolving around DeSean Jackson's friends, people who care about Jackson should be telling the receiver the cliché philosophy football coaches have been trying to beat into his head for a decade:

There's no "I" in team.
 
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I'm no Jason Whitlock fan but I think he hits it right on the nail with this column

It's my belief Chip Kelly and the Philadelphia Eagles wanted to trade DeSean Jackson because the diminutive receiver is -- and always has been -- a massive headache for a coaching staff.

It's my belief Chip Kelly and the Philadelphia Eagles cut DeSean Jackson because they realized a sensationalized media report tying together the diminutive receiver's "gang ties" would eviscerate Jackson's trade value.

The people, including two-mouths-and-one-ear All-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman, screaming that Kelly and the Eagles have acted in a racist manner have chosen the wrong target.

If any group has been unfair to Jackson, if any group has judged Jackson without nuance and given in to stereotypes about black men from a certain background, it is us, the media. We are the group benefiting from a mischaracterization of Jackson's relationship with his friends and the Philadelphia Eagles. We are the group filling broadcast airtime and driving Internet clicks with analysis focused on the belief the Eagles cut Jackson because of his "gang ties" and Aaron Hernandez backlash.

I include myself in this media criticism; I participated in a "Pardon the Interruption" discussion on the day the Eagles released Jackson that could've been more substantive and accurate with additional time to reflect and research.

There is no proof and virtually no reason to believe Kelly and the Eagles released Jackson because he is friends with Los Angeles Crips. I've reread a half-dozen times the original NJ.com story that sparked the controversial narrative and set the tone for coverage of Jackson's release.

As it relates to justifying the narrative, the story is thin at best. In its own words, it contradicts the engine driving the Eagles' decision. NJ.com wrote:

"Rather, sources close to Jackson and within the Eagles' organization say, it originally was Jackson's off-field behavior that concerned the front office. A bad attitude, an inconsistent work ethic, missed meetings and a lack of chemistry with head coach Chip Kelly were the original reasons for his fall from grace, sources told NJ.com."

In the old-school journalism world, this would be considered the "nut graph," the summary of what the story would explore or prove. What caused the Eagles to sour on and decide to jettison their top receiver? His problems with Kelly? Or Jackson's unsavory friends?

This nut graph lets the reader decide, and then the story paints a weak case that Jackson's friends did him in.

From the story:

"Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com -- Jackson's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members who have been connected to two homicides since 2010. ... Before Jackson was released, a source within the Eagles organization, who requested anonymity, put it: 'They are concerned about having him around the younger players.'"

Words matter, particularly when you're writing a story that could significantly damage a person's or an organization's reputation. "Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com..."

What? This makes no sense. "They" in the sentence refers to "concerns."

The Eagles could very easily want to keep Jackson away from younger players because of his lack of work ethic and lack of professionalism unrelated to his LOS ANGELES friends. The Eagles play in PHILADELPHIA. There is no professional football team in Los Angeles.

What is indisputable, based on reports of others and my own reporting, is that Jackson has been a major headache for every coaching staff since his days at Cal. He is selfish and unreliable. He has difficulty committing to a team concept. He is uninterested in practicing hard. He coasted through an entire season because he didn't want to risk injury in a contract year.

You can't be Allen Iverson on a football team. And even Iverson got run out of Philadelphia when he was still a spectacular talent because the Sixers got tired of the headache and his bad attitude.

What the Eagles did to Jackson isn't remotely unprecedented, racist or unfair. Coaches don't like lazy, disrespectful, cancerous massive headaches. Daniel Snyder does. That's why he learned nothing from his Albert Haynesworth experience and Washington was first in line to sign Jackson. Snyder is a billionaire fan with a team. Kelly is a football coach. Unfortunately, Jackson's poor work ethic and effort in practice showed a lack of respect for coaches and his fellow players.

Kelly made his name coaching at Oregon and, like most Pac-12 coaches, routinely recruited kids from Los Angeles, kids with "gang ties." This was not his first rodeo with a young player with unscrupulous friends. Every NFL and college football coach on the planet deals with this issue.

Let me expand it. America's drug war and subsequent mass incarceration of black and brown men have made it virtually impossible for the average black man to not have friends and/or family members who are gang-affiliated. Incarceration breeds gangs and gang culture. The pervasiveness of gangs is directly connected to America's decision to be the world's leader in incarceration. It's all connected.

Let me be transparent. I have friends who are in gangs. If you search hard enough on Google, you can find pictures of me socializing with them. I'm friends with gang-affiliated gangsta rappers. I've gone to dinner with them. I've made it rain with them at the club. I've made music with them. I've made no secret I'm friends with the rapper Tech N9ne. I've appeared on one of his albums.

I'm not a thug or a wannabe gangsta. I don't own a gun. I'm a pacifist. I am a critic of commercial gangsta rap music. I don't believe you change people or their flawed perspectives from a distance. You open their minds from up close, when they realize you respect and love them.

Coaches, at their core, understand this. Yes, coaches are in the profession for the fame, the winning and the money. But they also realize they can help misguided young people find a better direction. It's a process, a procedure all coaches realize oftentimes includes sticking by players with non-choirboy friends.

Jackson isn't the first supertalented athlete to reject guidance, refuse help. There are a handful of knuckleheads in every locker room who run with the wrong crowd all the time. Coaches tolerate them as long as they're relatively responsible when it comes to football activities. Practice hard, show up to meetings on time, embrace team concepts, stay out of trouble, interact respectfully with teammates, coaches and staff and a player can spend his free time kicking it with Suge Knight and Rick Ross at King of Diamonds five nights a week.

That's a fact of life in professional athletics. It's no secret.

It's irresponsible to paint Kelly and the Eagles as racist in their dealings with Jackson. It ignores obvious facts. Sherman and others have criticized the Eagles for releasing Jackson and signing Riley Cooper to a new contract. Sherman wrote that Cooper, who was caught on video saying the N-word, has ties to "racist activities."

Sherman's argument is specious. If Cooper's actions are the standard, I'd argue the overwhelming majority of us have ties to racist activity. Sherman's argument is nothing more than faux outrage to fuel his column on Sports Illustrated's Monday Morning Quarterback site. He's allegedly incensed by Cooper's use of the word, but thinks it's racist for the NFL to ask black players to quit using the word in a work environment.

Someone please tell Richard Sherman the Creator gave us two ears, two eyes and one mouth for a reason. We are supposed to do four times as much listening and observing as talking, especially when we are young. Our hearing and vision diminish as we age. We can always talk. Think about it.

Rather than having an unsophisticated discussion revolving around DeSean Jackson's friends, people who care about Jackson should be telling the receiver the cliché philosophy football coaches have been trying to beat into his head for a decade:

There's no "I" in team.
Good read. Thanks.

 
I'm no Jason Whitlock fan but I think he hits it right on the nail with this column

It's my belief Chip Kelly and the Philadelphia Eagles wanted to trade DeSean Jackson because the diminutive receiver is -- and always has been -- a massive headache for a coaching staff.

It's my belief Chip Kelly and the Philadelphia Eagles cut DeSean Jackson because they realized a sensationalized media report tying together the diminutive receiver's "gang ties" would eviscerate Jackson's trade value.

The people, including two-mouths-and-one-ear All-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman, screaming that Kelly and the Eagles have acted in a racist manner have chosen the wrong target.

If any group has been unfair to Jackson, if any group has judged Jackson without nuance and given in to stereotypes about black men from a certain background, it is us, the media. We are the group benefiting from a mischaracterization of Jackson's relationship with his friends and the Philadelphia Eagles. We are the group filling broadcast airtime and driving Internet clicks with analysis focused on the belief the Eagles cut Jackson because of his "gang ties" and Aaron Hernandez backlash.

I include myself in this media criticism; I participated in a "Pardon the Interruption" discussion on the day the Eagles released Jackson that could've been more substantive and accurate with additional time to reflect and research.

There is no proof and virtually no reason to believe Kelly and the Eagles released Jackson because he is friends with Los Angeles Crips. I've reread a half-dozen times the original NJ.com story that sparked the controversial narrative and set the tone for coverage of Jackson's release.

As it relates to justifying the narrative, the story is thin at best. In its own words, it contradicts the engine driving the Eagles' decision. NJ.com wrote:

"Rather, sources close to Jackson and within the Eagles' organization say, it originally was Jackson's off-field behavior that concerned the front office. A bad attitude, an inconsistent work ethic, missed meetings and a lack of chemistry with head coach Chip Kelly were the original reasons for his fall from grace, sources told NJ.com."

In the old-school journalism world, this would be considered the "nut graph," the summary of what the story would explore or prove. What caused the Eagles to sour on and decide to jettison their top receiver? His problems with Kelly? Or Jackson's unsavory friends?

This nut graph lets the reader decide, and then the story paints a weak case that Jackson's friends did him in.

From the story:

"Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com -- Jackson's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members who have been connected to two homicides since 2010. ... Before Jackson was released, a source within the Eagles organization, who requested anonymity, put it: 'They are concerned about having him around the younger players.'"

Words matter, particularly when you're writing a story that could significantly damage a person's or an organization's reputation. "Then, suddenly, the Eagles had even more serious concerns when they were revealed by NJ.com..."

What? This makes no sense. "They" in the sentence refers to "concerns."

The Eagles could very easily want to keep Jackson away from younger players because of his lack of work ethic and lack of professionalism unrelated to his LOS ANGELES friends. The Eagles play in PHILADELPHIA. There is no professional football team in Los Angeles.

What is indisputable, based on reports of others and my own reporting, is that Jackson has been a major headache for every coaching staff since his days at Cal. He is selfish and unreliable. He has difficulty committing to a team concept. He is uninterested in practicing hard. He coasted through an entire season because he didn't want to risk injury in a contract year.

You can't be Allen Iverson on a football team. And even Iverson got run out of Philadelphia when he was still a spectacular talent because the Sixers got tired of the headache and his bad attitude.

What the Eagles did to Jackson isn't remotely unprecedented, racist or unfair. Coaches don't like lazy, disrespectful, cancerous massive headaches. Daniel Snyder does. That's why he learned nothing from his Albert Haynesworth experience and Washington was first in line to sign Jackson. Snyder is a billionaire fan with a team. Kelly is a football coach. Unfortunately, Jackson's poor work ethic and effort in practice showed a lack of respect for coaches and his fellow players.

Kelly made his name coaching at Oregon and, like most Pac-12 coaches, routinely recruited kids from Los Angeles, kids with "gang ties." This was not his first rodeo with a young player with unscrupulous friends. Every NFL and college football coach on the planet deals with this issue.

Let me expand it. America's drug war and subsequent mass incarceration of black and brown men have made it virtually impossible for the average black man to not have friends and/or family members who are gang-affiliated. Incarceration breeds gangs and gang culture. The pervasiveness of gangs is directly connected to America's decision to be the world's leader in incarceration. It's all connected.

Let me be transparent. I have friends who are in gangs. If you search hard enough on Google, you can find pictures of me socializing with them. I'm friends with gang-affiliated gangsta rappers. I've gone to dinner with them. I've made it rain with them at the club. I've made music with them. I've made no secret I'm friends with the rapper Tech N9ne. I've appeared on one of his albums.

I'm not a thug or a wannabe gangsta. I don't own a gun. I'm a pacifist. I am a critic of commercial gangsta rap music. I don't believe you change people or their flawed perspectives from a distance. You open their minds from up close, when they realize you respect and love them.

Coaches, at their core, understand this. Yes, coaches are in the profession for the fame, the winning and the money. But they also realize they can help misguided young people find a better direction. It's a process, a procedure all coaches realize oftentimes includes sticking by players with non-choirboy friends.

Jackson isn't the first supertalented athlete to reject guidance, refuse help. There are a handful of knuckleheads in every locker room who run with the wrong crowd all the time. Coaches tolerate them as long as they're relatively responsible when it comes to football activities. Practice hard, show up to meetings on time, embrace team concepts, stay out of trouble, interact respectfully with teammates, coaches and staff and a player can spend his free time kicking it with Suge Knight and Rick Ross at King of Diamonds five nights a week.

That's a fact of life in professional athletics. It's no secret.

It's irresponsible to paint Kelly and the Eagles as racist in their dealings with Jackson. It ignores obvious facts. Sherman and others have criticized the Eagles for releasing Jackson and signing Riley Cooper to a new contract. Sherman wrote that Cooper, who was caught on video saying the N-word, has ties to "racist activities."

Sherman's argument is specious. If Cooper's actions are the standard, I'd argue the overwhelming majority of us have ties to racist activity. Sherman's argument is nothing more than faux outrage to fuel his column on Sports Illustrated's Monday Morning Quarterback site. He's allegedly incensed by Cooper's use of the word, but thinks it's racist for the NFL to ask black players to quit using the word in a work environment.

Someone please tell Richard Sherman the Creator gave us two ears, two eyes and one mouth for a reason. We are supposed to do four times as much listening and observing as talking, especially when we are young. Our hearing and vision diminish as we age. We can always talk. Think about it.

Rather than having an unsophisticated discussion revolving around DeSean Jackson's friends, people who care about Jackson should be telling the receiver the cliché philosophy football coaches have been trying to beat into his head for a decade:

There's no "I" in team.
Saw that last night, sums it up pretty good I think.

 
Sources: DeSean Jackson Was A Problem For Kelly

Philadelphia, PA (CBS) In the days following DeSean Jacksons release by the Eagles, speculation ran rampant as to the reasons why. Everything was to blame from Jacksons petulant, rambunctious sideline behavior, to his alleged gang ties, to Jacksons character, to this being Chip Kellys fault.

But what a number of sources close to and around the team, including current and former players, as well as additional sources within the Eagles revealed was that Jackson was not very well liked by his teammates, was blatantly insubordinate, with temper tantrums cussing out Kelly several times in front of the team, pushed the NFL rookie coach the way a child would test boundaries, and was more concerned with his rap label than he was about winning football games.

Several other sources also suggested that Jeremy Maclin may have had something to do with Jackson being released, telling Eagles management it was either him or Jackson.

The fact is, [Jackson] was a me-guy with an attitude problem and [Maclin] is the complete opposite, a team guy, a great character guy you go to war with, said one source. Funny how [Jackson] has this anti-bully thing and he thought he could push [Kelly] around; he found out otherwise. His being cut had nothing to do with the gang stuff. The team knew it. Everyone knew he had ties. Those were his guys. Thats okay. What put him out was his selfishness. He can try and spin it all he wants how hes a team player. Hes not. Ill put it this way, when it came out last Friday that [Jackson] was released, more than a few guys were happy it happened. They said good riddance. He had no real connection with anyone.

Yes, you can say he was the type that could catch three TDs in a losseveryone would be down, but you had the impression he was happy, because he got his. It was all about him. A lot of guys thought that way about him. [Kelly] came in here with a plan to get this thing right, and the one major [obstacle] standing in his way was [Jackson]. If we were going to move forward as a team, he had to go. Think about itdid anyone come right out and back him publicly? Not one.

Why didnt Andy Reid or Marty Mornhinweg, the Jets offensive coordinator, want any part of Jackson before he signed a three-year, $24-million contract with the Redskins on Wednesday?

They apparently knew the potential headache Jackson was.

Kelly received some culpability in the opinion of some. But numerous sources confirmed that Big Balls Chip should have been canonized St. Chip after putting up with the instigating Jackson in 2013.

You see little kids and how they cry and whine when they dont get their way, that was D-Jax, another source said. I dont think [Jackson] gave [Kelly] the respect he deserved. Kelly tried to reach [Jackson] plenty of times and [Jackson] tuned him out. Then you look at team functions, when everyone is out together at charity things or social stuff. He was the one missing. It was like he was in D-Jax world and we just happened to be there.

With Reid, [Jackson] tried pushing boundaries there, too, but he looked at Reid, I think, much differently than he looked at [Kelly]. Reid came in with an NFL pedigree. He was the guy that drafted [Jackson]. He was the one that called him on draft day and laid the law down right then: [Reid] wouldnt tolerate any outside interference from anyone. Now you get this college guy [Kelly] and hes not going to tell [Jackson] what to do. [Kelly] has a vision for this teamand he is a very old-school coach in a lot of ways. But theres only so much [a coach] can take. [Jackson] was an a to [Kelly].

In 2012, under Reid, Eagles management did reward Jackson a new five-year deal worth $48 million. He did have some minor flare ups with the law. In 2009, Jackson was pulled over by police for having illegally tinted windows and it was discovered he had marijuana in the car.

Still, Jackson stayed.

That was all [Reids] doing, opined someone close to the situation that asked that his name not be used. [Reid] thought he could control [Jackson]. He could, to a degree. Kelly put up with [Jackson] behind closed doors. A lot of guys didnt like how he talked to [Kelly]. And a lot of guys just didnt like him. They thought he was too into his rap label than he was about winning games. The guy performed, theres no questioning that. But you had to keep a constant eye on him. Guys put in extra time. He didnt. Its like he never grew up.

Asked why the Eagles have been reluctant to go public with how difficult Jackson was to deal with, sources said Kelly likes to keep in-house dirt in-house.

Thats [Kellys] way, said one source. It pisses me off that [Kelly] comes off looking like the bad guy here. It wasnt just [Kelly] that wanted him gone. [Kelly] got a lot of feedback from guys that felt we were better off without [Jackson], too. [Kelly] is very much a players coach. His office is open to anyone. Now [Jackson] is the Redskins problem. We have something good going here and its going to get better without [Jackson]. He had to go.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/04/04/sources-desean-jackson-was-a-problem-for-kelly-eagles-in-locker-room/

 
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The more I look at our current WR's the more I see us taking 2 with our first 4 picks
Good possibility. I believe there is more than a 50% chance they take one at 22. If Beckham or Cooks are there you need to take one of them.
I'm not a fan of this. We need defensive help in the worst way. If they want to take one Wr, I can handle that. If they take two with viable defensive options available, I'm going to be a little skeptical of what they have in mind.

Are we just saying the defense is set with basically the same cast from last year? I think the scheme can work but this is not a top15 defense with this personnel. We need an injection of top talent in there. I just don't think you can rely on gettting lucky to hit on 5th, 6th and 7th rounders.

 
Guys. We won't be taking a WR in the 1st round. It just won't happen. That's something you do when the position is NOT deep.

+ we have some serious defense to draft.

 
Guys. We won't be taking a WR in the 1st round. It just won't happen. That's something you do when the position is NOT deep.

+ we have some serious defense to draft.
They're taking BPA, period. If its a WR, he's going there. Yes we need D and I totally agree but taking a WR (or a couple in the first 4 picks) is not out of the realm of possibility IMO

 
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The more I look at our current WR's the more I see us taking 2 with our first 4 picks
Good possibility. I believe there is more than a 50% chance they take one at 22. If Beckham or Cooks are there you need to take one of them.
I'm not a fan of this. We need defensive help in the worst way. If they want to take one Wr, I can handle that. If they take two with viable defensive options available, I'm going to be a little skeptical of what they have in mind. Are we just saying the defense is set with basically the same cast from last year? I think the scheme can work but this is not a top15 defense with this personnel. We need an injection of top talent in there. I just don't think you can rely on gettting lucky to hit on 5th, 6th and 7th rounders.
I want Roby from OSU. I don't think we get a S like everyone projects. Well, I hope we don't. Earl Wolff was arguable the top S in last years class. He was taking his lumps as a rookie, but got niked up just as he was coming on. He should be a lot better after being a rotational player last season. Keelan Johnson was a nice UDFA pickup too. He was probably worthy of being rank in the top-10 +/- last year at the position. Since everybody don't know who they are they're being ignored. Just like Foles was I guess..

 
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The more I look at our current WR's the more I see us taking 2 with our first 4 picks
Good possibility. I believe there is more than a 50% chance they take one at 22. If Beckham or Cooks are there you need to take one of them.
I'm not a fan of this. We need defensive help in the worst way. If they want to take one Wr, I can handle that. If they take two with viable defensive options available, I'm going to be a little skeptical of what they have in mind.

Are we just saying the defense is set with basically the same cast from last year? I think the scheme can work but this is not a top15 defense with this personnel. We need an injection of top talent in there. I just don't think you can rely on gettting lucky to hit on 5th, 6th and 7th rounders.
I would hope that if they have a WR and a S/CB rated roughly the same at the top of there board they'd lean defense. But they do need WR too now obviously.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
ShaHBucks said:
Cooper, Maclin and Sproles should just retire now that Djax is gone.
And Shady. He'll see 11 in the box every play now
Shady is undraftable in re-draft leagues, IMO. With no one to "take the top off" Chip will probably get fired and go back to college where he belongs.
 
Didn't expect this.

"LB Jake Knott suspended without pay for first four 2014 regular season games for violating NFL policy on performance enhancing substances."

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
ShaHBucks said:
Cooper, Maclin and Sproles should just retire now that Djax is gone.
And Shady. He'll see 11 in the box every play now
Shady is undraftable in re-draft leagues, IMO. With no one to "take the top off" Chip will probably get fired and go back to college where he belongs.
:rolleyes:
Don't get me started on Howie and Laurie. How could they let Snyder outsmart them AGAIN.
 
They only problem I have with them cutting Jackson is they did it to late into free agency. If they cut him early they could have made a run at Steve Smith who IMO is a much better version of DJ even though he probably only has one good year left.

 
They only problem I have with them cutting Jackson is they did it to late into free agency. If they cut him early they could have made a run at Steve Smith who IMO is a much better version of DJ even though he probably only has one good year left.
Probably about 0 chance they added a 34 year old problem receiver if the 27 year old version was undesirable.

 
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Of course the ring thing comes up. My cousin is the only reason you have your last ring anyways :P

But you've pretty much trolled all you can do, so head back now and we'll see who is better next year. I'm sure even you know the answer to that.
Which NFL division has won the most Super Bowls?

 
I don't where on earth we will find another 5'9, 179 pound WR who can run really fast? Hmm... I guess if you add 1-5 inches and 10-45 pounds to that, we might have like 20 guys to choose from in this upcoming draft for, idunno, 14M less. If we are lucky that player might conduct himself with class and even show up to practice and meetings on time! I hope this works out or Chip Kelly is going to get it. The Redskins = smart, Eagles = dumb overnight. Man that sucks. Mortimer might win himself another dollar bill on this one.

Really, if the Eagles would have just gave a WR $16M with a draft this deep at the position I'd cry.
Agreed. I get it and understand their point of view. They want to be excited about the new aquisition, however, given their track record there's a pretty high chance this blows up in thier face. If you look at the various threads and even the Skins thread itself, it's almost as if they're talking themselves into liking this. As you stated, we knew him the best. As frugal as we are, we were willing to take a 6 million dollar cap hit, and deal with a press field day and risk him going to a rival just to get him off of the team. In a normal world stuff like that makes sense. The worst part about it all is that they've seen this before....like a LOT of times before and it just doesnt matter. What's that saying about the definition of insanity again?

This is what they do. They're acting like they're in mid-season form, because, well, they are. This is their season and they won, again. In 6 months when everyone elses season starts they'll be right back in their thread wondering what went wrong and who their next coach will be and what top FA's they'll get.
Those are good points. As a Redskins fan, I thank you for your insight and for keeping everything in perspective for us. I think for your own context and understanding that this is a vitally important thing to keep in mind.
Of course the ring thing comes up. My cousin is the only reason you have your last ring anyways :P

But you've pretty much trolled all you can do, so head back now and we'll see who is better next year. I'm sure even you know the answer to that.
Which NFL division has won the most Super Bowls?
Go troll one of your political threads, no one cares about your team winning Superbowls over 20 years ago.

 
Geoff Mosher@GeoffMosherCSN 22m
I can confirm USC receiver Marqise Lee will visit the Eagles this week. Has met with #Eagles several times, per source, in various places.

Geoff Mosher@GeoffMosherCSN 21m
Lee went 12-157 and two TDs in a 62-51 loss to Chip's Ducks in 2012. That was actually his 6th-best receiving yards total that season.

Geoff Mosher@GeoffMosherCSN 20m
In 2011, Lee went 8-187 and a TD against Kelly’s Ducks in a 38-35 USC win. You know Chip likes his Pac 12 guys. Lots of 'em on the roster.

 
Geoff Mosher@GeoffMosherCSN 22m
I can confirm USC receiver Marqise Lee will visit the Eagles this week. Has met with #Eagles several times, per source, in various places.

Geoff Mosher@GeoffMosherCSN 21m
Lee went 12-157 and two TDs in a 62-51 loss to Chip's Ducks in 2012. That was actually his 6th-best receiving yards total that season.

Geoff Mosher@GeoffMosherCSN 20m
In 2011, Lee went 8-187 and a TD against Kelly’s Ducks in a 38-35 USC win. You know Chip likes his Pac 12 guys. Lots of 'em on the roster.
If they're putting up a smoke screen on Cooks they're doing a good job with it. They've brought in a lot of tall receivers that can fight for the ball and run good routes.

 
Have we cut Casey yet? If he stays on the roster there has to be plans for alot more TE activity right as he is making millions to do nothing?

 
I don't think Cooks fits the mold of what Kelly wants in his WR's. 5'-10" don't beat up on much.
No, that isn't Kelly's usual MO for WRs. I think he'd take Beckham or Lee before Cooks but then again we've seen many times where teams will draft someone they've perceived to hardly look at. I love Cooks but think Beckham or Lee would be a better fit.

 
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I don't think Cooks fits the mold of what Kelly wants in his WR's. 5'-10" don't beat up on much.
No, that isn't Kelly's usual MO for WRs. I think he's take Beckham or Lee before Cooks but then again we've seen many times where teams will draft someone they've perceived to hardly look at. I love Cooks but think Beckham or Lee would be a better fit.
True, but it seems to me with how many Pro days Chip goes to, he won't be picking someone he hasn't met before. I am expecting a big body if we take a WR. Not Evans though, we won't move up.

 
I don't think Cooks fits the mold of what Kelly wants in his WR's. 5'-10" don't beat up on much.
No, that isn't Kelly's usual MO for WRs. I think he's take Beckham or Lee before Cooks but then again we've seen many times where teams will draft someone they've perceived to hardly look at. I love Cooks but think Beckham or Lee would be a better fit.
True, but it seems to me with how many Pro days Chip goes to, he won't be picking someone he hasn't met before. I am expecting a big body if we take a WR. Not Evans though, we won't move up.
I'm wondering if they even take a WR in the first. Seems the dropoff in their 'need' positions on defense is a lot steeper than at WR. Still though, I'm hearing and reading too much scuttlebutt about Lee and Beckham (especially Lee) to discount them grabbing one at 22.

 

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