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China's economy overtakes US (it seems) (1 Viewer)

Per capita income:

China - $6,807

U.S. - $53,143

I don't think the people of Luxembourg are complaining about their country having such a small economy with a per capita income of 111,162

 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030.

This is not the big deal you think it is.
It's actually a huge positive. A higher world GDP is a good thing.
All it is a trend towards those country's citizens becoming consumers of goods. It means it will be harder for industry to flourish in those two countries like it does now because costs will go up, and other nations get more of the pie. For the U.S. it means more people in the world want American goods and services, more tourism from those countries, and more accountability for those countries to not do things like counterfeiting. Our markets will continue to be the most trusted for the next few decades at minimum, meaning lots of those east and south Asian monies piled into our system. It's most certainly a positive for us economically.

 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030.

This is not the big deal you think it is.
It's actually a huge positive. A higher world GDP is a good thing.
All it is a trend towards those country's citizens becoming consumers of goods. It means it will be harder for industry to flourish in those two countries like it does now because costs will go up, and other nations get more of the pie. For the U.S. it means more people in the world want American goods and services, more tourism from those countries, and more accountability for those countries to not do things like counterfeiting. Our markets will continue to be the most trusted for the next few decades at minimum, meaning lots of those east and south Asian monies piled into our system. It's most certainly a positive for us economically.
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Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030.

This is not the big deal you think it is.
It's actually a huge positive. A higher world GDP is a good thing.
All it is a trend towards those country's citizens becoming consumers of goods. It means it will be harder for industry to flourish in those two countries like it does now because costs will go up, and other nations get more of the pie. For the U.S. it means more people in the world want American goods and services, more tourism from those countries, and more accountability for those countries to not do things like counterfeiting. Our markets will continue to be the most trusted for the next few decades at minimum, meaning lots of those east and south Asian monies piled into our system. It's most certainly a positive for us economically.
I think this is true in the short term, too. I worry about the long term and think about Paul Kennedy's book Rise and Fall of the Great Nations. In the end, power always ended up being economic in nature.

 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030.

This is not the big deal you think it is.
It's actually a huge positive. A higher world GDP is a good thing.
All it is a trend towards those country's citizens becoming consumers of goods. It means it will be harder for industry to flourish in those two countries like it does now because costs will go up, and other nations get more of the pie. For the U.S. it means more people in the world want American goods and services, more tourism from those countries, and more accountability for those countries to not do things like counterfeiting. Our markets will continue to be the most trusted for the next few decades at minimum, meaning lots of those east and south Asian monies piled into our system. It's most certainly a positive for us economically.
I think this is true in the short term, too. I worry about the long term and think about Paul Kennedy's book Rise and Fall of the Great Nations. In the end, power always ended up being economic in nature.
No empire is eternal. Power waxes and wanes moves with the tides of history. America was never going to be number one forever. Now will we recognize the change and can we find ways to take advantage of it to our benefit is the question.

 
NC is exactly right. For nearly a century England was #1, and the attempt to stay #1 caused England to commit disastrous foreign policy moves, like appeasement of Germany, refusal to go off the gold standard, staying in India far too long, and trying to govern Palestine. All because Queen Victoria said "I think it is unwise for us to give up what we hold." And the remarkable fact is that, ever since the British abandoned their Empire, the standard of living in England itself has actually improved dramatically.

That's what we need to be concerned with: standard of living for the American people. That does not mean isolation from world affairs; far from it. But it does mean that we don't need to get into any economic races with countries like China. So long as we trade freely we will enjoy prosperity, and that's what it's all about.

 
NC is exactly right. For nearly a century England was #1, and the attempt to stay #1 caused England to commit disastrous foreign policy moves, like appeasement of Germany, refusal to go off the gold standard, staying in India far too long, and trying to govern Palestine. All because Queen Victoria said "I think it is unwise for us to give up what we hold." And the remarkable fact is that, ever since the British abandoned their Empire, the standard of living in England itself has actually improved dramatically.

That's what we need to be concerned with: standard of living for the American people. That does not mean isolation from world affairs; far from it. But it does mean that we don't need to get into any economic races with countries like China. So long as we trade freely we will enjoy prosperity, and that's what it's all about.
Now that's a quality post. Quality > Quantity. Nicely done, Tim. :thumbup:

 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030. This is not the big deal you think it is.
It's actually a huge positive. A higher world GDP is a good thing.
All it is a trend towards those country's citizens becoming consumers of goods. It means it will be harder for industry to flourish in those two countries like it does now because costs will go up, and other nations get more of the pie. For the U.S. it means more people in the world want American goods and services, more tourism from those countries, and more accountability for those countries to not do things like counterfeiting. Our markets will continue to be the most trusted for the next few decades at minimum, meaning lots of those east and south Asian monies piled into our system. It's most certainly a positive for us economically.
I think this is true in the short term, too. I worry about the long term and think about Paul Kennedy's book Rise and Fall of the Great Nations. In the end, power always ended up being economic in nature.
Power is economic but America is positioned to for continued economic success:

Balaji Viswanathan, Foreign Policy columnist.

A democratic system that has been quite stable for more than 220 years, except for a couple of years during the civil war. Very few nations had such a long period of domestic stability.

A strong culture of innovation and creativity. Slightly open immigration, top class universities and a tradition of entrepreneurship has kept US in the cutting edge of technology for over 120 years.

A large nation with a good chunk of it is habitable. Majority of Russia is uninhabited. China has massive deserts and Brazil has a big portion of rain forests.

Large level of domestic resources. Like the other big nations, US has a large amount of natural resources - oil and food. US discovered crude oil and is the biggest producer of food. By being more self-sufficient than say Japan, US can produce a more aggressive trade policy that is less defensive.

Using the language of international business. British Empire made English as the predominant language of the globe and US has helped continue the trend with a strong feedback loop.

No major domestic threat. Other countries in the Americas are neither that hostile nor powerful to threaten the US. Except for Pearl Harbor and 9/11, US territory was never attacked in a big way in centuries. The oceans act as a buffer from other powers. Countries in Asia and Europe often have to deal with hostile neighbors who are ready to war anytime.
 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030. This is not the big deal you think it is.
It's actually a huge positive. A higher world GDP is a good thing.
All it is a trend towards those country's citizens becoming consumers of goods. It means it will be harder for industry to flourish in those two countries like it does now because costs will go up, and other nations get more of the pie. For the U.S. it means more people in the world want American goods and services, more tourism from those countries, and more accountability for those countries to not do things like counterfeiting. Our markets will continue to be the most trusted for the next few decades at minimum, meaning lots of those east and south Asian monies piled into our system. It's most certainly a positive for us economically.
I think this is true in the short term, too. I worry about the long term and think about Paul Kennedy's book Rise and Fall of the Great Nations. In the end, power always ended up being economic in nature.
Power is economic but America is positioned to for continued economic success:

Balaji Viswanathan, Foreign Policy columnist.

A democratic system that has been quite stable for more than 220 years, except for a couple of years during the civil war. Very few nations had such a long period of domestic stability.

A strong culture of innovation and creativity. Slightly open immigration, top class universities and a tradition of entrepreneurship has kept US in the cutting edge of technology for over 120 years.

A large nation with a good chunk of it is habitable. Majority of Russia is uninhabited. China has massive deserts and Brazil has a big portion of rain forests.

Large level of domestic resources. Like the other big nations, US has a large amount of natural resources - oil and food. US discovered crude oil and is the biggest producer of food. By being more self-sufficient than say Japan, US can produce a more aggressive trade policy that is less defensive.

Using the language of international business. British Empire made English as the predominant language of the globe and US has helped continue the trend with a strong feedback loop.

No major domestic threat. Other countries in the Americas are neither that hostile nor powerful to threaten the US. Except for Pearl Harbor and 9/11, US territory was never attacked in a big way in centuries. The oceans act as a buffer from other powers. Countries in Asia and Europe often have to deal with hostile neighbors who are ready to war anytime.
Oh, I agree we are still in a position of immense power. And it isnt changing soon. I just wonder whether our "leaders" will recognize the changing times and change accordingly. The recent foreign policy decisions in Iraq and Afghanistan give little cause for hope on multiple levels, one of the most egregious being the immense waste of national treasure. Hopefully, we make corrective adjustments to that type of thinking.

 
I know the whole scare about the $ not continuing as the worlds reserve currency was mostly trumpeted here by kooks and fear mongers but honestly that would be my largest concern. Not in the short term but with our mounting debt coupled with the fact that it's entirely a fiat currency does worry me long term.

Am I crazy?

 
I know the whole scare about the $ not continuing as the worlds reserve currency was mostly trumpeted here by kooks and fear mongers but honestly that would be my largest concern. Not in the short term but with our mounting debt coupled with the fact that it's entirely a fiat currency does worry me long term.

Am I crazy?
It does not really matter in the long run because robots will take over the world.

 
Rohn Jambo said:
mr roboto said:
I know the whole scare about the $ not continuing as the worlds reserve currency was mostly trumpeted here by kooks and fear mongers but honestly that would be my largest concern. Not in the short term but with our mounting debt coupled with the fact that it's entirely a fiat currency does worry me long term.

Am I crazy?
It does not really matter in the long run because robots will take over the world.
Shhhhhhhhh
 
Rohn Jambo said:
mr roboto said:
I know the whole scare about the $ not continuing as the worlds reserve currency was mostly trumpeted here by kooks and fear mongers but honestly that would be my largest concern. Not in the short term but with our mounting debt coupled with the fact that it's entirely a fiat currency does worry me long term.

Am I crazy?
It does not really matter in the long run because robots will take over the world.
Shhhhhhhhh
Do you work for Amazon?http://www.infoworld.com/article/2855635/techology-business/amazon-robots-working-conditions.html

 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030.

This is not the big deal you think it is.
I've noticed a lot less "made in China" cheap crap in favor of "made in India" cheap crap, so I assume China is farther along.
Indeed. Chinese wages are on the rise and they are losing manufacturing work to less expensive countries.

 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030.

This is not the big deal you think it is.
I've noticed a lot less "made in China" cheap crap in favor of "made in India" cheap crap, so I assume China is farther along.
Indeed. Chinese wages are on the rise and they are losing manufacturing work to less expensive countries.
Damn, does that mean the price of a Chinese wife is going up?

 
Well, they do have more people.
So does India...
And India will pass China in less than 50 years, some predict by 2030.

This is not the big deal you think it is.
I've noticed a lot less "made in China" cheap crap in favor of "made in India" cheap crap, so I assume China is farther along.
Indeed. Chinese wages are on the rise and they are losing manufacturing work to less expensive countries.
Damn, does that mean the price of a Chinese wife is going up?
Oh yeah... especially since they kill off so many female babies. Now it's a seller's market in that.

 

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