Dynasty 1-10 RB Rankings (1 Viewer)

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1. LaDanian Tomlinson, Chargers, Ave Ranking 1.04

2. Willis McGahee, Bills, 4.27

3. Shaun Alexander, Seahawks, 4.55

4. Edgerrin James, Colts 5.23

5. Kevin Jones, Lions 6

6. Deuce McCallister, Saints 6.59

7. Jamal Lewis, Ravens 7.68

8. Ahman Green, Packers 7.81

9. Clinton Portis, Redskins 8.09

10. Steven Jackson, Rams 8.77

Now that we are into the Dynasty Portion of the season, it's time to get a Deep Ranking for each position going.

We will try and do this just like last season, with a Master Thread pinned at the top of the forum, with whatever links to anything Dynasty Related we can put together as a group.

Master Dynasty Thread

TOP 10 Dynasty RBs

Please rank your top 10 Dynasty RBs in the game right now. Please justify your choices with a comment or two on why you ranked them that way. For your ease, fell free to just copy and paste this template:

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After a few Days, I will compile the this list, and move on to the next 10

Lets talk some Dynasty

1 LaDanian Tomlinson, Chargers -- Close, but he beats out SA based on contract status and receptions2 Shaun Alexander, Seahawks -- The #2 ranking is based on him staying a Seahawk. If he went to say Miami, I think he would still be top 10, but not 23 Edgerrin James, Colts -- Another ranking based on him staying where he is at. He gets those tds up a bit, which I think he will, and he earns this slot. Hes very consistent4 Willis McGahee, Bills -- He showed us alot and is in a good situation in Buffalo. 5 Deuce McCallister, Saints -- Too much of a stud to not come back big6 Clinton Portis, Redskins -- Love the Skins outlook with Ramsey, good receivers, Jansen's return and the great D...and Gibbs is a genius of course7 Domanick Davis, Texans -- Showed me alot down the stretch. Runs real hard, great receiver, and offense is ball control8 Jamal Lewis, Ravens -- Like Deuce, too much of a stud to not bounce back big time. They have to add a wideout at some point......dont they??9 Ahman Green, Packers -- For this guy to fall to 9 shows just how impressive the rbs in the league are right now. As long as Favre sticks around, he will come up big10 Corey Dillon, Patriots -- See no reason why he cant do what he did this year, for the next 2 or soThis was rough because of how many great backs there are. Left the Chiefs out because its kind of up in the air right now. Curtis Martin could have another good year next year, but after that it gets dicey. Rudi Johnson is a guy I think might be able to sneak in here, only if he sticks around in Cincy long term. I think Steven Jackson has top 10 potential if he was definitely the man in St Louis. And I love Chris Brown, but cant justify a top 10 ranking with his injury problems

Can't we at least wait until the off-season?

Can't we at least wait until the off-season?

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You can do whatever you want

Can't we at least wait until the off-season?

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This is the off-season....fantasy off-season. For dynasty leaguers next year has already begun. Perhaps you should not click on these threads until February, you're obviously notready now.

I'll post a list in a little over a week.

1. Ladanian Tomlinson- The Clear cut #1 RB who's only 25!2. Shaun Alexander - When was the last time he didn't score 16+ TDs? 3. Willis McGahee - Is finally getting fully recovered and is an elite talent4. Duece McAllister-Great player,only 25, could get more TDs if defense was better5. Clinton Portis-Only 23 and had his third straight year of 1300 yards,tds will come6. Edgerrin James - A yardage machine, just not enough red zone touches7. Jamal Lewis - Missed time this year, but is the offense in Balt and is only 25 8. Domanick Davis - Is the focus of offense, only 24 and 11 tds in last 9 games9. Kevin Jones - Will be a top 5 player as team improves, only 2210. Ahman Green - Still enough left to be in top ten, has taken beating over the years as he's always seems to be banged up and fumbles quite a bit

1. Ladanian Tomlinson(SD) - Easily the #1 RB in dynasty or any format, only problem is number of touches may catch up to him.

2. Willis Mcgahee(Buf) - Yeh, im a homer, but with the uncertainty of where SA ends up, i cant think of any other RB i would put here at #2. This guy single handedly turned the Bills offense aroud. I have never seen a better stiff arm, and one more year off of knee surgery, this guy is going to be even better next year.

3. Shaun Alexander(Sea) - If i drafted a dynasty league today, this is where i would pick him and hope he stayed in Seattle. Cant argue with the guys production and consistency.

4. Deuce Mcallister(NO) - How far did you think i could let him slide. I was more optomistic when it looked like Haslett was leaving, now that it looks like he will stay, i am not as confident he deserves the #4 spot. That and i couldnt find anyone else to put here.

5. Kevin Jones(Det) - Rushed for 1000 yards and didnt really get started until half way through the season. I also believed him to be one of the most talented backs to come out of college in the last few years. Despite Harrington, the Lions are one of the upcoming offenses in the league, and Jones will be leading the way.

6. Julius Jones(Dal) - I know what some of you are saying, i am putting too much into youth and not enough into past production. Let me ask you this, what other RB i havnt already listed would YOU have wanted starting for you over the last 6 weeks of this past season?

7. Clinton Portis(Was) - I would probably not take him this high for MY dynasty team, but he definetly deserves to be this high wether i like him or not.

8. Rudi Johnson(Cin) - Call me crazy, but he broke the Bengals single season rushing record against a VERY difficult schedule, also rushed for 12 TD's.

9. Dominick Davis(Hou) - Focal point of the Texans offense, his trouble staying healthy is a bit of a concern, but his upside and youth make him worth the risk.

10. Edgerrin James(Ind) - Status for next year worries me a little, but if he plays for the Colts next year, he should finish no worse than #10, probably higher.

This is the toughest positon to rank, after Tomlinson at #1 there are easily 15-20 RB's who i could have put at #2. For anyone doing a dynasty draft soon, taking one of the big 3 QB's in the first and waiting on RB's is the way to go. There are so many good young RB's out there, there will be plenty to go around in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds.

1.LaDanian Tomlison, Chargers- he is good.2.Edgerrin James, Colts- they will need him a few years more!!3.Willis McGahee, Bills-will define the Bills.4.Kevin Jones, Detroit-management knows it a has Barry look a like!!!5.Clinton Portis,Redskins-Gibbs will work his running back for a shot at the championship.6.Shaun Alexander, Seahawks- will get screwed!7.Corey Dillon, Patriots- as the Superbowl MVP, he will be very steady week in and out!! 100/1!!!8.Larry Johnson, Chiefs- It’s not the system (it helps),the line (the best), it’s not the coach (who will touch him),….it’s that Holmes will say ENOUGH!!!9.Duece McAllister, Saints-#####!!10.Tatum Bell,Broncos- Worth the risk here…..He runs the way the that will let the team excell.

1. Tomlinson - With all he's done, he's still in his prime at 26!!!2. McGahee - Young stud still getting healthier. If you are still questioning him you probably didnt win any of your leagues this year.3. Steven Jackson - Job is his now. Great talent in a great situation3. Jamal Lewis- Like LT will be just 26 next year5. Edgerrin James - Hopefully returns to Indy. Will be 27 which is still prime.6. Chris Brown - Not one profile of him coming out of college made him look like he'd be the Titan's third down back. He had no trouble getting the job. Turns 24 in a couple months. Forget the injury, he's a young stud.7. Julius Jones - Will only be 24 and looking better than his brother. Runs people over like a true workhorse.8. Clinton Portis - Only gonna be 24. Would like to see him become a better receiver at his size.9. Domanick Davis - I like the all around skills. Turns 25. Give that team a better line and look out. 10. Lee Suggs - Pretty good all around skills. Terrible team almost has to improve. There is some talent there. Also turns 25.Notable player comments: Not in ranking order even if some of the better ones popped in my head first.Duece McCallister - Yet another guy with all around skills. A couple years older and a bit larger than Suggs or Davis though. I really like the chances in a redraft league but I've never been sold on the Saints players.Larry Johnson - Will already turn 26 and still play behind Priest. Yet doesnt have much wear and tear. Playing behind a stud making line.Shaun Alexander - He'll be 28. 04 was likely his career year. He'll be paid big and have a respectable season or two. Then he'll dissapear very quiet like. The money motivated him. Seahawks could also lose Jones or Holgrem, as well as Alexander himself.Priest Holmes - Should do significantly better in 04 than Faulk did in 05. Age and the likelihood of splitting carries doesnt give him nearly the dynasty value as redraft value.Thomas Jones - I can compare him to McCallister when looking at skills, age, and wear and tear. Take the Saint's back over the Bear's back.Kevin Jones - At 23 he's one of the youngest starting talents. Yet his profile doesnt remind me of a guy who will have a long career. He's practically a one dimensional runner.Tatum Bell - Should start for Denver. Like KJ, I wouldnt expect a long career. He'd barely crack my top ten if I was already sold he will get over 20 carries per game next year. Grab him in redrafts.Michael Bennett - Kevin Jones's 4 year older fantasy twin.Lamont Jordan - Will get his first real action just before turning 27.Ahman Green - Almost 28 now puts him on the dynasty downslide.TJ Duckett - Closest thing to Bettis in the league but not geting the opportunity... yet. Luckily Dunn is hitting 30.Kevin Barlow - Gonna be 26. Line deserves a lot of the blame but I wonder if Barlow should be a 3 down back. Team in a major rebuild anyhow.Rudi Johnson - I think he stays in Cincy but expect Perry to handle a good portion of the chores. Turns 26.Brian Westbrook - Very interesting guy in reception leagues. I dont think he was inteneded as nor should be an every down player. Yet could get significant playing time for a number of seasons.Chris Perry - I'm not falling asleep this guy. Will at least be a third down back. Let's see what kind of contract Rudi gets.Guys who are 29+ who just aint a Priest Holmes dont belong in the first couple rounds of a dynasty league. These guys include Barber, Martin, Dillon, Fred Taylor, Staley, Pittman, Stephen Davis, and Faulk, amoung others. Sorry Fred.Players who's future is too big of a questoin mark include SoD, Foster, Ricky Williams, Drouhgns, Goings, William Green, Ron Dayne, and many lesser knowns. Good gambles but not in the first couple rounds.

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Well, I promised to have something up on Thursday for the guys that have Dynasty Drafts soon, and the guys still trying to make roster moves heading into the off season.Just like last year, we can do this some 3-4 times before the season starts. Consider this Year End Dynasty Rankings so we have a jumping off point.

Kevin Jones - At 23 he's one of the youngest starting talents. Yet his profile doesnt remind me of a guy who will have a long career. He's practically a one dimensional runner.Michael Bennett - Kevin Jones's 4 year older fantasy twin.

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Just curious, what do you base your rather low opinion of Kevin Jones on? He certainly can't be called one dimensional. He's not just a speed guy, he has moves and vision and is a willing inside runner. His receiving skills are his weakness, but his hands/concentration showed improvement during the year.

For anyone doing a dynasty draft soon, taking one of the big 3 QB's in the first and waiting on RB's is the way to go. There are so many good young RB's out there, there will be plenty to go around in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds.

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Wow, I don't know that I can entirely disagree, Manning had a heck of a year, but I think I would be hard pressed to Take Manning at 1.3, and then take the best RB available with the 20th or so pick. I'd look to trade down.

Backs with his speed and size tend to get hurt. Bennett and Jones want to run outside rather than inside. They want to run around people rather than over people. They can break a play at any moment whether running or catching but dont have good hands. So while their stats look good, its mostly a result of big breakaway plays. They are neither fit for running out the clock nor for coming back from a big defecit. I've seen a lot of backs like that. They arent consistant top ten backs. They arent consistent week in and week out. Backs either need touchdowns or receptions to achieve that status. These two guys are great weapons because of their speed and size but that's it. What do great career fantasy backs like Faulk, Holmes, Tomlinson, Alexander, and Eddie George have in common? They score touchdowns and make receptions. Give me Steven Jackson.

1) LT2) SA3) Tiki4) Edge5) James6) McCallister7) Portis8) Mcgahee9) Bell10) Johnson since this is dynasty. I think we have I have to include him in the top ten Holmes days are numbered if not done. Top ten is pretty tough. Julius, Brown, Jackson, Lewis, Green and Suggs could just as easily be in the top ten as some of the guys I listed.

Let's go with some DIFFERENT picks:LT (25) - no questionEdge (26) - huge talent, can do it all, too little respect for him in FFStephen Jackson (21) - WHAT??? Yeah, gonna be a monster and soon, being 21 doesn't hurtGreen (27) - LOTS of talentMcAllister (26) - little like Edge, can do it allKevin Jones (22) - young and talented with a lot of surrounding talentJulius Jones (23) - so far so goodTJ Duckett (23) - another surprise?, he's young, very talented and Dunn won't be around for much longerJamal Lewis (25) - good workhorse, not enough in the passing game to be higherAlexander (27) - question his status with another team, but can't question his results so farJust missed:McGahee (23) - everybody's poster child, wanna seem him do it against better teams, and want to see better averageLarry Johnson (25) - if he were younger, he'd be higherThomas Jones (26) - he has the skill, if his situation would ever clear up, he'd do very wellI listed current age for reference.

1. Tomlinson - Easily the most valuable player in all of FF, with the possible exception of 2 QB start leagues.2. Ahman Green - Receiving skills, still fairly young3. Deuce McAllister - after an off year, he'll probably be underrated by most4. McGahee - Once he makes it through a full season as the starter, he gets bumped up, could be #2 soon5. Steven Jackson - see #46. Edgerrin James - Needs to score more, but a stud7. Jamal Lewis - might be the best pure runner in the game8. Clinton Portis - If Lewis isn't, Portis may be9. Shaun Alexander - If he resigns in Seattle, he gets bumped up to #610. Kevin Jones - see #4Honorable mention:TJ Duckett - put him on another team, or if he becomes the full time starter in Atlanta, he makes top 10Chris Brown - I don't see a long career, but should be good while he is healthyJulius Jones - Solid player, just doesn't have the elite skill setDomanick Davis - can be expected to be rated higher by othersBrian Westbrook - great receiving skills, but not the most powerful backLarry Johnson - great talent, crappy head caseTatum Bell - nice speed, good power, does he start?Rudi Johnson - solid, not sexyChris Perry - just has to stay healthy, great talent, in PPR leagues, he's a top 10 canidate once he starts

1. Tomlinson - Easily the most valuable player in all of FF, with the possible exception of 2 QB start leagues.2. Ahman Green - Receiving skills, still fairly young3. Deuce McAllister - after an off year, he'll probably be underrated by most4. McGahee - Once he makes it through a full season as the starter, he gets bumped up, could be #2 soon5. Steven Jackson - see #46. Edgerrin James - Needs to score more, but a stud7. Jamal Lewis - might be the best pure runner in the game8. Clinton Portis - If Lewis isn't, Portis may be9. Shaun Alexander - If he resigns in Seattle, he gets bumped up to #610. Kevin Jones - see #4Honorable mention:TJ Duckett - put him on another team, or if he becomes the full time starter in Atlanta, he makes top 10Chris Brown - I don't see a long career, but should be good while he is healthyJulius Jones - Solid player, just doesn't have the elite skill setDomanick Davis - can be expected to be rated higher by othersBrian Westbrook - great receiving skills, but not the most powerful backLarry Johnson - great talent, crappy head caseTatum Bell - nice speed, good power, does he start?Rudi Johnson - solid, not sexyChris Perry - just has to stay healthy, great talent, in PPR leagues, he's a top 10 canidate once he starts

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I really like your list. I can't believe the lack of respect Ahman is getting. when all you guys are looking at dynasty are you looking at 2, 4, 6+ years? I look over the next two tops as someone else will come and be in the new top ten. Green is a stud and isn't even placed in people's top 10?

I really like your list. I can't believe the lack of respect Ahman is getting. when all you guys are looking at dynasty are you looking at 2, 4, 6+ years? I look over the next two tops as someone else will come and be in the new top ten. Green is a stud and isn't even placed in people's top 10?

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Thanks. A lot of others value "youth" more than I do in a dynasty. It has value, but IMO it's only one aspect to look at. I use a 3 year window, usually giving a little more respect to this year. It may cost me in the long run, but I'd rather win now than later.

1. Tomlinson - Easily the most valuable player in all of FF, with the possible exception of 2 QB start leagues.2. Ahman Green - Receiving skills, still fairly young3. Deuce McAllister - after an off year, he'll probably be underrated by most4. McGahee - Once he makes it through a full season as the starter, he gets bumped up, could be #2 soon5. Steven Jackson - see #46. Edgerrin James - Needs to score more, but a stud7. Jamal Lewis - might be the best pure runner in the game8. Clinton Portis - If Lewis isn't, Portis may be9. Shaun Alexander - If he resigns in Seattle, he gets bumped up to #610. Kevin Jones - see #4Honorable mention:TJ Duckett - put him on another team, or if he becomes the full time starter in Atlanta, he makes top 10Chris Brown - I don't see a long career, but should be good while he is healthyJulius Jones - Solid player, just doesn't have the elite skill setDomanick Davis - can be expected to be rated higher by othersBrian Westbrook - great receiving skills, but not the most powerful backLarry Johnson - great talent, crappy head caseTatum Bell - nice speed, good power, does he start?Rudi Johnson - solid, not sexyChris Perry - just has to stay healthy, great talent, in PPR leagues, he's a top 10 canidate once he starts

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I really like your list. I can't believe the lack of respect Ahman is getting. when all you guys are looking at dynasty are you looking at 2, 4, 6+ years? I look over the next two tops as someone else will come and be in the new top ten. Green is a stud and isn't even placed in people's top 10?

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He has other issues besides production though; ie. fumbing, injuries, production after Favre leaves, etc.The fact is in a dynasty, I usually rank based on the next three to four years total. To only look at the next "two years tops" in a dynasty leauge is foolish in my opinion.

1. Ladanian Tomlinson, Chargers- Used in the running and passing game. He is the most complete back in the game today.2. Willis McGahee- He really impressed me this year. He's got the moves and he loves the endzone.3. Julius Jones- He's shifty and plays for a coach that loves to run the ball. He's capable of long runs as well as goaline carries.4. Kevin Jones- Detroit LIons- Combination of power and speed. He's been used in the passing game too. I'd like to see him get more carries, a stud in the making.5. Shaun Alexander- Seahawks-He gets the Td's.6. Steven Jackson- Faulk is done and this guy has the power to move the pile forward.7. Ahman Green- Still has the ability to have a 200 yard game at anytime and young enough to make this list.8. Deuce McCallister- If this team could improve their defense and keep him running the ball for 4 quarters, this guy is a 1800 yard back easily.9. Edgerin James- When playing for the Colts, the guy is a yardage machine and next year is his year for more Td's.10. Fred Taylor- Still has all the moves

1. Ladanian Tomlinson, Chargers- Used in the running and passing game. He is the most complete back in the game today.

2. Willis McGahee- He really impressed me this year. He's got the moves and he loves the endzone.

3. Julius Jones- He's shifty and plays for a coach that loves to run the ball. He's capable of long runs as well as goaline carries.

4. Kevin Jones- Detroit LIons- Combination of power and speed. He's been used in the passing game too. I'd like to see him get more carries, a stud in the making.

5. Shaun Alexander- Seahawks-He gets the Td's.

6. Steven Jackson- Faulk is done and this guy has the power to move the pile forward.

7. Ahman Green- Still has the ability to have a 200 yard game at anytime and young enough to make this list.

8. Deuce McCallister- If this team could improve their defense and keep him running the ball for 4 quarters, this guy is a 1800 yard back easily.

9. Edgerin James- When playing for the Colts, the guy is a yardage machine and next year is his year for more Td's.

10. Fred Taylor- Still has all the moves

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exactly. one bad injry year and we're ready to write him off. ask any D how to stop Ahman. he's "slippery". one helluva player. he's still relatively young guys.

I really like your list. I can't believe the lack of respect Ahman is getting. when all you guys are looking at dynasty are you looking at 2, 4, 6+ years? I look over the next two tops as someone else will come and be in the new top ten. Green is a stud and isn't even placed in people's top 10?

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Thanks. A lot of others value "youth" more than I do in a dynasty. It has value, but IMO it's only one aspect to look at. I use a 3 year window, usually giving a little more respect to this year. It may cost me in the long run, but I'd rather win now than later.

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I think your approach is solid. I see too many times guys grabbing the youth hoping the next stud when often they right in front of you. The shorter window allows you to weigh in the current players in rankings. Ignoring studs because they are 26-28 is a huge mistake IMO. Many refused to draft Holmes & Faulk because of this criteris and missed out what will likley be FF production rarely seen again.

Here is my take on the Top 10 dynasty RB crop. Number 1 is an easy choice but 2-10 are almost interchangeable. I left out guys like Martin, Holmes, C. Brown, McAllister, and Jackson. Those are guys that can be Top 10 if things go right for them, but there are uncertainties with each. Here is my list:1. Tomlinson- Simply the best. Improving team makes this choice even easier.2. Alexander- Always a Top 5 type guy. If the team stays the same he will repeat here.3. James- Still young and a great offense. I think Manning will give James some TD love next year.4. Mc Gahee- Would have been Top 5 if he started all year and he is just getting started. More catches would help.5. D. Davis- Great all around back. If healthy has NO competition.6. Barber- Underrated performer that is a great dual purpose back. 7. K. Jones- This guy is special. If he improves hands he can challenge LT for #1 in two years.8. Portis- I think he is miscast in Washington, but talent is too great to drop out of Top 10.9. J. Jones- This guy was a beast at the end. Can he do it all year though?10. A. Green- Favre’s focus on the air and fumble problems keeps Ahman this low.

I really like your list. I can't believe the lack of respect Ahman is getting. when all you guys are looking at dynasty are you looking at 2, 4, 6+ years? I look over the next two tops as someone else will come and be in the new top ten. Green is a stud and isn't even placed in people's top 10?

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Thanks. A lot of others value "youth" more than I do in a dynasty. It has value, but IMO it's only one aspect to look at. I use a 3 year window, usually giving a little more respect to this year. It may cost me in the long run, but I'd rather win now than later.

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I think your approach is solid. I see too many times guys grabbing the youth hoping the next stud when often they right in front of you. The shorter window allows you to weigh in the current players in rankings. Ignoring studs because they are 26-28 is a huge mistake IMO. Many refused to draft Holmes & Faulk because of this criteris and missed out what will likley be FF production rarely seen again.

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now we're talking. if one doesn't think, due to injury and AGE, that Ahman Green can't be top flight RB over the next few years, they are missing out on value as dynasty owners start panicking. I traded FOR Ahman in my keeper this year to go for a championship run next year.

I really like your list.  I can't believe the lack of respect Ahman is getting.  when all you guys are looking at dynasty are you looking at 2, 4, 6+ years?  I look over the next two tops as someone else will come and be in the new top ten.  Green is a stud and isn't even placed in people's top 10?

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Thanks. A lot of others value "youth" more than I do in a dynasty. It has value, but IMO it's only one aspect to look at. I use a 3 year window, usually giving a little more respect to this year. It may cost me in the long run, but I'd rather win now than later.

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I think your approach is solid. I see too many times guys grabbing the youth hoping the next stud when often they right in front of you. The shorter window allows you to weigh in the current players in rankings. Ignoring studs because they are 26-28 is a huge mistake IMO. Many refused to draft Holmes & Faulk because of this criteris and missed out what will likley be FF production rarely seen again.

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now we're talking. if one doesn't think, due to injury and AGE, that Ahman Green can't be top flight RB over the next few years, they are missing out on value as dynasty owners start panicking. I traded FOR Ahman in my keeper this year to go for a championship run next year.

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Good call IMO.I almost offered Ahman for a young stud recently, revoked the offer as I caught my senses. The rookies and up and comers will always be the "sexy style" picks, but as has been said a few times before, you win championships by taking the under valued, older veterans.Think of it as the stock market, growth stocks are always nice to have, but if they don't have a solid foundation, they will falter. Value blue chips won't net huge gains, but are less likely to fizzle out.In both situations, I want a foundation of blue chip with a couple growth stocks / players. But the growth players/stocks I look for are the ones not currently hyped. For example, in a large dynasty, I have LT, Ahman Green (as you can see, I am biased in my rankings) and Chris Perry and Duckett, IMO a good balance, Perry and Duckett shouldn't cost a whole lot right now, but have top potential.

I think your approach is solid. I see too many times guys grabbing the youth hoping the next stud when often they right in front of you.

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1. LT2 - I think this one is pretty clear.2. Willis McGahee - I think he has the ability to challenge LT2's numbers for some time, and I think he's going to shock a lot of people who think of him (and the Bills O) as pedestrian3. Edgerrin James - He's just now about to hit the prime years in terms of age, and he appears fully healed from injury. Also, a very solid Receiver.4. Ahman Green - Same as James, but some minor injuries that lead to missed games plus being a year older than James move him to 4.5. Shaun Alexander - As many on the board predicted, he finally had a year where the yardage and the TDs came in "superstar" amounts. He'd be higher (2 or 3) if I was certain that he was staying in Seattle.6. Larry Johnson - You thin 6 is high? 12 months ago, we didn't know if Holmes would play again (injury). Since then, Preist has been hurt again AND hinted at retirement more than once. This ranking is under the condition that Holmes plays one more year and LJ gets some of the scraps in 05 before becoming the guy in '06. If Holmes were to retire tomorrow, I'd put LJ no lower than 3. (Here is where it would be appropriate to bump the "LJ is a bust" threads by people who have no patience with player development. He has size, pass-catching ability, and breakaway speed that no one gave him credit for until this season.7. Kevin Jones - I like Jones talent, and I like his situation. He will be one of the great 2nd round values in redrafts next season.8. Deuce McAllister - Deuce had an off season, and in truth, he's only had one great season as it is. However, he has youth, talent, and if there is a God, he'll get Deuce a new coach and OC.9. Julius Jones - I'm convinced. You don't have to be, but I am. Not saying their career will be the same, maybe not even close, but Jones looks so much like Emmitt Smith to me with the star on his helmet that it's scary.10. Stephen Jackson - A bit of a wildcard in my view. MArtz ignores the run at times and the Faulk factor is hardly a comfort, but Jackson is a complete back in an era that requires Top-10 guys be able to run between the tackles, catch passes on actual routes, and have "turn the corner" speed.COlin

6. Larry Johnson - You thin 6 is high? 12 months ago, we didn't know if Holmes would play again (injury). Since then, Preist has been hurt again AND hinted at retirement more than once. This ranking is under the condition that Holmes plays one more year and LJ gets some of the scraps in 05 before becoming the guy in '06. If Holmes were to retire tomorrow, I'd put LJ no lower than 3. (Here is where it would be appropriate to bump the "LJ is a bust" threads by people who have no patience with player development. He has size, pass-catching ability, and breakaway speed that no one gave him credit for until this season.

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If the guy wasn't an ###, I'd agree.Fact is, unless he makes amends with Vermiel, or Vermiel retires (possibly soon), I don't think he'll last in KC.

Dynasty, like re-draft or keeper, is about winning this year as well as down the road.Focusing too much on "what could be" and forgeting about "what is" will leave you out of the championship game everytime. You need the right balance of youth and experience to win in this format.With that said:1. LT22. Edge3. McAllister4. A. Green5. J. Lewis6. Martin7. Holmes8. Barber9. McGahee10. K. JonesEach of these guys has the right opportunity plus the talent to succeed in 2005. The old guys, Martin & Holmes, have proved over & over that they true players, they can produce effective numbers, and they have every intention of playing next year and even beyond. As long as they produce top 10 numbers, they deserve top 10 consideration.

1. Ladanian Tomlinson - obvious choice for #12. Edgerrin James - As reliable as they come, and I have to believe that the TDs will come. He was 3 or 4 more TDs from being in the top 3 in 2004.3. Ahman Green - Nagging injuries concern me, but heading into last year this is where he was picked. He's till young enough to have a few more elite season left, and he's done it before. 4. Willis McGahee - Another year, his knee should be even stronger, and the Bills will feed him the ball over and over and over...5. Kevin Jones - LOVE the guy. 6. Shaun Alexander - If I was sure he'd be in Seattle, he'd be higher by a few spots.7. Clinton Portis - Based only on talent, because his situation in Washington is far from perfect.8. Dom Davis - Can't argue with production, and as long as healthy, he produces huge numbers.9. Deuce McAllister - Too much talent to leave off the list, and if New Orleans improves, he could be scary.10. Thomas Jones - Either you love him or you hate him. Almost 1400 total yards and 7 scores in 13 games on an offense that was god awful. The Bears will have to improve on offense next season with Grossman back, and he stands to benefit with more touches, yards, and TDs. He'll be the man for a while, can contribute in the passing game, and will score the TDs. That can't be said about many RBs.Who came close?Jamal Lewis and Stephen Jackson came close, assuming he takes the lead role from Faulk. I'm not sold on Julius Jones being anything more than a decent RB. I'm actually suprised he should amount to that much.DeShaun Foster will come close to this level if he's the feature back in Carolina next year, but that's too unpredictable right now. Larry Johnson obviously jumps up here if Priest retires, but if I'm starting a dynasty team I'm not drafting a RB early on who doesn't figure to start for at least one more year too early.I'd consider Barber too, but not with Eli Manning and his growing pains over the next year or two.Lots of other guys with loads of potential just waiting for the opportunity, but that's for another thread!

Focusing too much on "what could be" and forgeting about "what is" will leave you out of the championship game everytime. You need the right balance of youth and experience to win in this format.

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Nightshift,Like your list for the most part. But what I don't get is, you discuss "what is" as so important and not just "what could be."Yet despite a slant towards "what is" -- you neglect to put S.Alexander in your top 10. Seems odd.He is more proven than some of those young guys on your list; and meanwhile he is younger than others on your list (ie, holmes, martin).

Wow, only one list with Priest Holmes. We even have a list with his back-up. I realize Priest is getting older and has "hinted" at retirement but how can anyone turn their back on what he's done the last 3 years? He has shown zero sign of slowing down and with older backs like Curtis Martin and even Emmitt Smith still performing (Martin led the league in rushing) why can't Priest have another 2-3 top 5-10 seasons. I think this splitting carries with LJ stuff is bs, much like the Priest hip injury was 2 summers ago. Sure they may lessen his load but Priest will still be good for 20-25 carries and 1-2 TDs a game. After LT and Alexander he is the one RB I'd want for the next 2-3 years. If you can also acquire LJ you have the top RB in the league. Is he a gamble, sure. But one worth taking. If your goal is to win in 2005 he is your guy at #3.

Wow, only one list with Priest Holmes. We even have a list with his back-up. I realize Priest is getting older and has "hinted" at retirement but how can anyone turn their back on what he's done the last 3 years? He has shown zero sign of slowing down and with older backs like Curtis Martin and even Emmitt Smith still performing (Martin led the league in rushing) why can't Priest have another 2-3 top 5-10 seasons. I think this splitting carries with LJ stuff is bs, much like the Priest hip injury was 2 summers ago. Sure they may lessen his load but Priest will still be good for 20-25 carries and 1-2 TDs a game. After LT and Alexander he is the one RB I'd want for the next 2-3 years. If you can also acquire LJ you have the top RB in the league. Is he a gamble, sure. But one worth taking. If your goal is to win in 2005 he is your guy at #3.

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Most people are probably excluding Holmes for dynasty purposes since the widespread belief is that he'll retire after next year.I agree that putting L. Johnson that high may also be a bit presumptuous though, as the OL will be a bit older and the team composition will likely change once Vermeil and Holmes depart (probably concurrently).

In my 10 years of fantasy football this is the deepest group of RBs I have seen. Dynasty leagues will be the rage this coming year. I am almost tempted to join a new one just so I can have a shot at some of these guys. Positional rankings from pro-football-reference.com1. Ladainian Tomlinson, Chargers - This guy has no limitations other than injury. Whether the Chargers suck or excell he produces. I would imagine that the Chargers will improve their O-line and that will make him even better with the possibility of challenging Emmitt's numbers some day.Prior Year Position Rankings - 3rd; 3rd; 3rd; 7th2. Shaun Alexander, Seahawks/FA - TD machine that will keep this ranking for me if he stays in Seattle with Walter Jones and Chris Hutchinson. To me honest I though he would take a step back this year but he proved me wrong.Rankings - 1st; 6th; 5th; 4th; 54th3. Jamal Lewis, Ravens - Several guys were fighting for this spot but I like Jamal the best here. He has great skills and is the focal point of this offense. He will be overlooked next year because of some of the great young players that I will rank right after him but like Alexander, I love his line. Rankings - 25th; 4th; 12th; INJ; 16th4. Willis McGahee, Bills - I haven't gotten to watch him much this year but I loved him pre-injury at Miami. He has great receiving skills that haven't even been tapped yet.Rankings - 9th; INJ5. Clinton Portis, Redskins - If he stayed in Denver he would be challenging for the #1 spot but the jury is out on him in Washington. I'm still sold on his talent.Rankings - 11th; 5th; 4th6. Julius Jones, Cowboys - I didn't know how good this guy was until this year. Ranking - 28th7. Kevin Jones, Lions - I think he is in a great situation. If Detroit improves he will be a big part.Ranking - 21st8. Edgerrin James, Colts/FA - He's back. Assume he stays in IndyRankings - 6th; 10th; 24th; 32nd; 2nd; 1st9. Domanick Davis, Texans - He is the Texan offense.Rankings - 5th; 14th10. Duece McAllister, Saints - I think he has as much talent as anyone else in the top 10 but the team he plays on hinders him. I hope he moves up next year.Rankings - 17th; 7th; 6th; 64thI chose to leave off some of the older guys because I am looking at least 3 years out if not 5. How easy is it to replace stud RBs through the draft?

Wow, only one list with Priest Holmes. We even have a list with his back-up. I realize Priest is getting older and has "hinted" at retirement but how can anyone turn their back on what he's done the last 3 years? He has shown zero sign of slowing down and with older backs like Curtis Martin and even Emmitt Smith still performing (Martin led the league in rushing) why can't Priest have another 2-3 top 5-10 seasons. I think this splitting carries with LJ stuff is bs, much like the Priest hip injury was 2 summers ago. Sure they may lessen his load but Priest will still be good for 20-25 carries and 1-2 TDs a game. After LT and Alexander he is the one RB I'd want for the next 2-3 years. If you can also acquire LJ you have the top RB in the league. Is he a gamble, sure. But one worth taking. If your goal is to win in 2005 he is your guy at #3.

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Speaking as a Priest owner in a dynasty league (chosen 8th) I can say without a doubt that he would not be top 15 for me if I was picking this year. What you say about him is true if he plays but if he only plays one more year you have to replace him which is tough to do, IMO.

Focusing too much on "what could be" and forgeting about "what is" will leave you out of the championship game everytime. You need the right balance of youth and experience to win in this format.

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Nightshift,Like your list for the most part. But what I don't get is, you discuss "what is" as so important and not just "what could be."Yet despite a slant towards "what is" -- you neglect to put S.Alexander in your top 10. Seems odd.He is more proven than some of those young guys on your list; and meanwhile he is younger than others on your list (ie, holmes, martin).

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"What is" refers to proven players with the right opportunity to succeed. "What could be" refers to either proven players moving to a good opportunity, players coming into the league, back-up players becoming starters, young players getting needed experience, teams improving offensive lines, or a host of variables that make for those high risk, high reward (or massive failure) picks.As I said, you have to find the right balance in dynasty to win. You need the players that are consistent week in/week out like CuMar. But you also need an Antonio Gates. Not easy to do, but that's what makes championship team (IMO).Alexander would be top 15. The reason I left him off is that is the uncertainty of his opporuntity right now. Will he be a Seahawk? Will Holmgren be back? These kind of changes will affect his production. If I had to place him, probably 11th, which is not that far from being top 10.It is early for this list...

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How can you say that? He got hurt this year and missed over a month.I'd say that that certainly qualifies as slowing down.And while he might have the potential to put up top 10 #s for 2-3 more years, that doesn't matter if next year is truly his last year. For potential to come through, you need to play.

1. Ladainian Tomlinson, SD- simply the class of the league at RB. can do it all - break long plays, short yardage TDs, move the chains, catch out of the backfield and downfield. put up decent numbers through a groin inury, so you know durability is not an issue. on a team that is going to be good for a while, should hold down this spot for at least 2 or 3 more years.2. Shaun Alexander, SEA - still the best in the game inside the 10. will stay in the top 5 on TDs alone. has been extremely durable. receptions nearly cut in half this year, but doubled his TD receptions. value a little volatile with future uncertain.3. Willis McGahee, BUF - too high, you say? consider this: mcgahee is not at 100%. only next year will we see what he can really do. like the top 2, money in the red zone. on a team that is committed to the run and ball control football.4. Jamal Lewis, BAL - this is the time to trade for him in dynasty leagues. still ran decently this season despite the distractions and continued poor QB play. the passing offense can not get worse. still young at 25, and should be a perennial top 10 RB.5. Steven Jackson, STL - the job is his. only reason he's #5 is martz's flakiness when it comes to relying on the running game. like LT, has the total skill package. one of the guys with a chance to eventually occupy the #1 spot.6. Larry Johnson, KC - flourished at the end of the year. some may say the sample size is too small, but the numbers dont lie: he was the #1 RB in the last 5 weeks of the season no matter what scoring system you use. you will have to endure an RBBC with him next season, but he, like jackson, could be #1 on this list come 2007.7. Deuce McAlister, NO - another total package, has the ability to put up numbers close to LT/SA, but the ineptitude of his franchise is a serious obstacle.8. Edgerrin James, IND - seems to lack true breakaway speed now, and he's older/has more mileage than the RBs above him, but the production is hard to argue against. value a little uncertain with his impending free agency.9. Ahman Green, GB - very similar to edge in mileage/age/future uncertainty. davenport seems ready to shoulder the load, whether GB decides to makes green or poopy the long term RB will have a huge impact on green's dynasty value. still, his being only one year removed from a 2200 total yard/20 Td season makes hiim impossible to leave off this list.10. Kevin Jones, DET - ended up being a much better receiver than expected because of so little experience receiving in college. has the ability of some of young RBs above him on this list, but until the detroit offense becomes as productive, his value takes a hit.RBs considered but left off the list:Corey Dillon, NE - age/mileageDom Davis, HOU - durability, could evolve into a warrick dunn type.Chris Brown, TEN - durabilityFred Taylor, JAX - no longer a short yardage RBRudi Johnson, CIN - not a receiving threat, uncertainty of situationClinton Portis, WAS - doesnt have the same ferocity he had in denver - best candidate to rejoin this list next season.Lee Suggs, CLE - team in horrible shape, durabilityJulius Jones, DAL - team QB situation, wont be a true stud until the offense forces team to play both pass and run. hardest to leave off this list.Tiki Barber, NYG - ageBrian Westbrook, PHI - like Davis, will be best suited getting 60/70% of RBBCThomas Jones, CHI - team uncertainity

I really like your list.  I can't believe the lack of respect Ahman is getting.  when all you guys are looking at dynasty are you looking at 2, 4, 6+ years?  I look over the next two tops as someone else will come and be in the new top ten.  Green is a stud and isn't even placed in people's top 10?

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Thanks. A lot of others value "youth" more than I do in a dynasty. It has value, but IMO it's only one aspect to look at. I use a 3 year window, usually giving a little more respect to this year. It may cost me in the long run, but I'd rather win now than later.

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I think your approach is solid. I see too many times guys grabbing the youth hoping the next stud when often they right in front of you. The shorter window allows you to weigh in the current players in rankings. Ignoring studs because they are 26-28 is a huge mistake IMO. Many refused to draft Holmes & Faulk because of this criteris and missed out what will likley be FF production rarely seen again.

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now we're talking. if one doesn't think, due to injury and AGE, that Ahman Green can't be top flight RB over the next few years, they are missing out on value as dynasty owners start panicking. I traded FOR Ahman in my keeper this year to go for a championship run next year.

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Look, I had Green ranked tenth on my list for the reasons I gave. I do think he's in the top ten, but to have him in the top five and only look at the next two years doesn't make sense to me. It's about running off multiple championships in dynasty to me...

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How can you say that? He got hurt this year and missed over a month.I'd say that that certainly qualifies as slowing down.And while he might have the potential to put up top 10 #s for 2-3 more years, that doesn't matter if next year is truly his last year. For potential to come through, you need to play.

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Any player suffering an serious injury would be "slowing down", by you definition. McGahee was pretty slow last year; Foster this year. Last year, most had Foster ranked a top 10 dynasty RB.In fact every player get injured every year. It is just the severity that counts. Even a younger RB can have a career-ending injury or a string of injuries that never allow him to develop his potential.Holmes is a proven commodity. If he plays 1,2, or 3 years, which he is very capable of doing, you tellin' me you don't want him on your squad?? If he produces top 10 numbers, is he not a top 10 back?That's why I can't see leaving him or CuMar off this list.

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How can you say that? He got hurt this year and missed over a month.I'd say that that certainly qualifies as slowing down.

And while he might have the potential to put up top 10 #s for 2-3 more years, that doesn't matter if next year is truly his last year. For potential to come through, you need to play.

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Any player suffering an serious injury would be "slowing down", by you definition. McGahee was pretty slow last year; Foster this year. Last year, most had Foster ranked a top 10 dynasty RB.In fact every player get injured every year. It is just the severity that counts. Even a younger RB can have a career-ending injury or a string of injuries that never allow him to develop his potential.

Holmes is a proven commodity. If he plays 1,2, or 3 years, which he is very capable of doing, you tellin' me you don't want him on your squad?? If he produces top 10 numbers, is he not a top 10 back?

That's why I can't see leaving him or CuMar off this list.

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You could define "slowing down" however you'd like. But if you look at the actual #s for Priest Holmes...2001- 16 games - over 2,000 combined yards - 10 tds

2002 - 14 games - over 2,000 combined yards - 24 tds

2003 - 16 games - over 2,000 combined yards - 27 tds

2004 - 8 games - barely broke 1,000 combined yards - 15 tds

That to me looks like slowing down (regardless of definition). Personally, if I am taking a guy in the first round (ie, when those top 10 picks are made), I'd like him to play more than 8 games and beyond next year.

As for your second question, "If he produces top 10 numbers, is he not a top 10 back?"

My opinion: not necessarily. Keep in mind we are discussing dynasty here. Consequently, if he produces top 10 #s (let's say 10th overall in 05) and then retires, while someone else finishes 11th overall in 05 and does not retire (and seems to only be improving with a # of years left - then no, just b/c he produces top 10 #s, does not mean in dynasty terms he is necessarily a top 10 guy, but that's just my opinion.

(haven't looked at the other rankings yet)1. Tomlinson2. Alexander3. Portis4. McAllister5. AGreen6. Lewis7. James8. McGahee9. DDavis10. KJones

2004 - 8 games - barely broke 1,000 combined yards - 15 tdsThat to me looks like slowing down (regardless of definition).

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Please explain.

2004 - 8 games - barely broke 1,000 combined yards - 15 tdsThat to me looks like slowing down (regardless of definition).

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Please explain.

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Don't get me wrong - for 8 games that's awesome. We are not arguing whether he is good or not. He's great. All I am saying is that I think he is slowing down.When he played 14 games or more each of the previous seasons and then only plays 8 this season - that is slowing down.When he put up over 20 tds each of the last two years, but never got to this year due to only playing half a season - that is slowing down.Do I think he could put up top 10 #s next year - EASILY.But given his age, his injury, his drop off in production, LJ coming on strong, and his self-proclamation of retiring at the end of next year no matter what - that adds up to slowing down in my book.

Backs with his speed and size tend to get hurt. Bennett and Jones want to run outside rather than inside. They want to run around people rather than over people. They can break a play at any moment whether running or catching but dont have good hands. So while their stats look good, its mostly a result of big breakaway plays. They are neither fit for running out the clock nor for coming back from a big defecit. I've seen a lot of backs like that. They arent consistant top ten backs. They arent consistent week in and week out.

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did you even watch a lions game this year? the team's offense was as bad as it could possibly be, and once jones learned to block and play in all situations, he was a stud. last 5 weeks:12/05 Arizona W 26-12 Yes 26 196 7.5 74 1 4 22 5.5 7 0 0 0 0 0 12/12 @Green Bay L 13-16 Yes 33 156 4.7 31 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12/19 Minnesota L 27-28 Yes 19 79 4.2 16 1 4 35 8.8 16 0 1 0 0 0 12/26 Chicago W 19-13 Yes 25 123 4.9 39 1 1 8 8.0 8 0 1 1 0 0 01/02 @Tennessee L 19-24 Yes 19 72 3.8 13 0 4 44 11.0 27 0 0 0 0 0 Sorry for bad formatting, but the yards, averages, touchdowns, are certainly there. And the receptions (13 in the last 5 games after 15 in the first 11) were increasing. He was certainly more of a part of the passing game, both on screens and on check downs. Next year, we get a 2nd year Roy Williams, Charles Rogers (for like 4 games before he gets hurt), and the entire offense will be improved. Better offense --> more TD's for Jones, and teams having to defend the whole field. Jones will be a STUD.

I have no dynasty experience, but do watch every game on Sunday Ticket. So... here goes:1. LT2- Duh. After him this list is tricky.2. Lewis - the Ravens offense has nowhere to go but up and Jamal is a monster. Three numbers that grab my attention: Career ypa of 4.7, 47 catches in 2002, and 25 years old. 3. McGahee - his talent is obvious and he seems to have recovered from the knee injury. I'm concerned about the quarterback situation, but playing for a cold-weather outdoor team should assure him a big workload for at least the next 5 years.4. Alexander - his TD numbers are very impressive considering how inconsistent the Seahawks have been. Who he plays for next may change my opinion, but right now I see him as one of the most versatile backs in the league - speed, power, pass-catching ability, good health.5. McAllister - perhaps I'm a delusional homer ™, but I think Deuce is the second-most talented RB in the game. He can run inside with power, run outside with speed, and catch out of the backfield as well as LT2. His size gives me injury concerns, but if he stays healthy I think he has at least 5 good years of production left. 6. KJ - being from Virginia I saw alot of Jones in college. The dude is a game-breaker and played extremely well on a horrible team this year. I'm not sure how durable he is, but he's only 22 and appears to have all the tools I look for. Power, speed, and pass-catching. Bueno.7. Steven Jackson - honestly, he probably should be higher on this list. The Rams will be an offensive juggernaut for several more years and Stevie is obviously the heir-apparent for Marshall Faulk's once-gawdy numbers. His size is a durability concern, but the mix of power and speed is amazing. Oh and he's only 21 8. JJ - if Bill Parcells trades down to nab you, you're good. Like everyone else, I was blown away by his prime-time games against Seattle and New York. Tremendous breakaway speed, good vision, and a great situation with Parcells, imo. He carried the rock 30 times in a few games but at 23 years old, there's plenty of tread left in those tires.These two are just for the sake of filling out the top-109. DDavis - doesn't appear to be an every-down back. Houston is on the rise though, so he may be a great value pick10. CBrown - Incredible talent, even more incredible injury concernsThe rest of these guys are all borderline top-10 for me:A.Green - I don't like his age and Favre's pending retirementC.Martin - probably a great pick, but not a franchise back for your dynasty teamPortis - I am not sold on him at all. Bad attitude, questionable talent.James - seems to be slowing down and I don't like his chances away from IndyLJ - Vermeil still doesn't like him and I'm not sure he'd do well away from KC

6. Larry Johnson - You thin 6 is high? 12 months ago, we didn't know if Holmes would play again (injury). Since then, Preist has been hurt again AND hinted at retirement more than once. This ranking is under the condition that Holmes plays one more year and LJ gets some of the scraps in 05 before becoming the guy in '06. If Holmes were to retire tomorrow, I'd put LJ no lower than 3. (Here is where it would be appropriate to bump the "LJ is a bust" threads by people who have no patience with player development. He has size, pass-catching ability, and breakaway speed that no one gave him credit for until this season.

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Yes, I think it's a bit high as of today because I'm assuming that Priest HOlmes will be there next year. Even if he plays only 1/2 season, I'm not comfortable putting Johnson in my top 10, even in a dynasty list. He's not far out of my top 10 though and could move up if there's ill news of Priest.

1-LT-Simply the best there is right now.2-Alexander S.-Everyone thinks his #'s go down if he leaves Seattle.I'm of the opinion that his #'s could actually rise given he goes to the right situation.Some games this year and throughout his career he has been underworked in my opinion.3-Green A.-I agree that this guy is undervalued right now.Yes he had a down year but he will be back.4-McGahee-Once he fully recovers from the knee look out.Only began to scatch the surface in 2004.5-McAllister-Only thing holding him back in my opinion is Hasslet.Should rebound in 2005 if fully healthy.6-James-If he stays in Indy he is a top five back no doubt.Hopefully now that Manning has the record the goalline opps will increase for Edge in 2005.7-Jones K.-Love KJ's intangibles.Detroit is building a Dynasty owner's dream offense.8-Portis-Major waste of a season for Portis,but there is no denying his talent.9-Davis D.-I just think this guy has to be somewhere on this list.He started out slow but finished on fire.10-Lewis J.-Injury problems on the field and legal problems off the field hindered Lewis in 2004.He will come back strong in 2005 and beyond.Boy was that tough from 3-10.Alot of guys after the 10 slot that probably deserve honorable mention,but I'm at work and don't have time at the moment.Great stuff guys.What a wonderful,insightful little community we have here at Footballguys.Keep up the good work.Fin

did you even watch a lions game this year? the team's offense was as bad as it could possibly be, and once jones learned to block and play in all situations, he was a stud. last 5 weeks:Sorry for bad formatting, but the yards, averages, touchdowns, are certainly there. And the receptions (13 in the last 5 games after 15 in the first 11) were increasing. He was certainly more of a part of the passing game, both on screens and on check downs. Next year, we get a 2nd year Roy Williams, Charles Rogers (for like 4 games before he gets hurt), and the entire offense will be improved. Better offense --> more TD's for Jones, and teams having to defend the whole field. Jones will be a STUD.

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Being on a team who's offense was as bad as it could possibly be is not a good thing for getting yourself ranked. You are banking on Detroit becoming a high scoring offense and you said nothing to make me think that Jones is multidimensional. No, he's not in my top ten and wont be unless he either developes as a power runner or receiver. That means pounding it in inside the ten. That means running good pass routes and makeing great grabs. Breakaway speed by itself wont get him there. Last 5 weeks is only considering what have you done for me lately. In a dynasty league I dont care what a guy did yesterday. I want a career.