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[DYNASTY] Misfits 'n Outlaws-VI dynasty draft (1 Viewer)

Hey ravnzfan, I still don't understand why you have it at such a high priority to get one of the new big "2" WR's. We've already been through how important RB's are, and even if the big "2" seem like value in the 2nd round, you could almost have your pick of WR's after that in the 3rd round including Harrison. Especially in the 2 leagues without a good rookie pick, still seems like a risky strategy to me.

 
Adding to the getting the Stud WR in the 2nd round theory. Hopefully those Moss rumors for you guys picking him remain that, Randy in Balt would be a disaster IMO as far as taking him as the WR1 in this style draft.Misfits 4- ravnzfan took Moss in the 2nd round, after taking LJ late 1st round. We all remember the discussion. Luckliy you still got Bennett and Pittman to hopefully solidify your RB corps. Driver and Jimmy Smith and possibly Heap are the only other possible starters IMO at this moment.Misfits 5- ravnzfan took Owens mid/late 2nd round after taking J.Jones in the first round. W.Dunn is the only other RB worth starting, unless you get lucky with C.Perry. S.Smith and Branch should be solid starters barring injury, and possibly McCardell.Misfits 6- current draft going on. Owens in the mid/late 2nd again after getting McGahee in the 1st round. Selects Henry in the 3rd round. If Henry isn't somehow in a different uniform next season, this strategy was terrible. In Between picks from Owens to Henry were, Holmes, Suggs, McNabb, Taylor, Martin, and Barlow. No other WR's were chosen. You must have a lot of faith in Henry/Bills Organization to do this. I would have much rather had my other RB of choice then you still could have had a much younger Chad Johnson or Holt or possibly even 3 of these RB's instead of the McGahee, Henry, Owens situation.Unless you are getting a sure fire rookie RB, you can't afford to have a W.Dunn, Henry as your dynasty RB2 right now IMO.Sorry buddy. You know I have props for you most of the time, we just don't see eye to eye on this one.

 
I think Henry and Dunn are fine rb2's in this league if you can overwhelm the other teams at the other positions. That can be pretty tough to do though. I do agree that when drafting late second grabbing that second rb before the wr is probably a safer move, but not always the best. I am already starting to question drafting Moss in the second because my rb#2 will be subpar.

 
Adding to the getting the Stud WR in the 2nd round theory. Hopefully those Moss rumors for you guys picking him remain that, Randy in Balt would be a disaster IMO as far as taking him as the WR1 in this style draft.Misfits 4- ravnzfan took Moss in the 2nd round, after taking LJ late 1st round. We all remember the discussion. Luckliy you still got Bennett and Pittman to hopefully solidify your RB corps. Driver and Jimmy Smith and possibly Heap are the only other possible starters IMO at this moment.Misfits 5- ravnzfan took Owens mid/late 2nd round after taking J.Jones in the first round. W.Dunn is the only other RB worth starting, unless you get lucky with C.Perry. S.Smith and Branch should be solid starters barring injury, and possibly McCardell.Misfits 6- current draft going on. Owens in the mid/late 2nd again after getting McGahee in the 1st round. Selects Henry in the 3rd round. If Henry isn't somehow in a different uniform next season, this strategy was terrible. In Between picks from Owens to Henry were, Holmes, Suggs, McNabb, Taylor, Martin, and Barlow. No other WR's were chosen. You must have a lot of faith in Henry/Bills Organization to do this. I would have much rather had my other RB of choice then you still could have had a much younger Chad Johnson or Holt or possibly even 3 of these RB's instead of the McGahee, Henry, Owens situation.Unless you are getting a sure fire rookie RB, you can't afford to have a W.Dunn, Henry as your dynasty RB2 right now IMO.Sorry buddy. You know I have props for you most of the time, we just don't see eye to eye on this one.
As someone who took Henry as his RB2 in Misfits IV, I'll say that I don't think he's a bad bet as a #2 back. It seems clear that there's a market for his services and that he'll be traded. He's obviously a risky pick early in the draft, but it's understandable when you factor in his past success and the very realistic possibility that he'll end up starting next year. If you want a tin foil hat theory, maybe Emmitt Smith decided to retire because Arizona management informed him that they'll be trading for Henry. Of course, they may have also told him that they'll be drafting a RB in the first or acquiring someone like LaMont Jordan or Michael Bennett.
 
There is something to consider that I think a lot of people who are drafting in MOX leagues this year are ignoring. The longevity advantage of a franchise QB or WR in a dynasty format has value vis-a-vis RB. Dig out a 4 year old cheatsheet and you'll see what I mean. NFL teams know that RB is the most easily replaceable skill position, and that's why you see teams being sure to keep Harrison and maybe not Edge, keep D Jackson and maybe not Alexander, keep Chad Johnson and let Dillon and maybe Rudi walk, etc. Draft Chad Johnson in a dynasty league and you have a lot better idea what you will still have 4 years (or even 2 years) from now than if you draft Thomas Jones or DeShaun Foster or even Domanick Davis, who are all going in MOX leagues several spots sooner solely due to our starting lineup format. It's all well and good to aspire to having a bunch of RBs, but it's pretty pointless if two years from now you have a rosterful of the equivalent of today's Willie Green or Eddie George or Amos Zereoue or Charlie Garner or Marcell Shipp or Stephen Davis instead of some Chad Johnsons. Since a player's dynasty value goes beyond this year, folks ought to be thinking big picture rather than obsessing over the two flex positions in MOX leagues and grabbing as many currently-starting RBs as they can. The short-term advantage of having extra second-rate RBs in this year's lineup is far outweighed by the long-term consequences of taking them over stud WRs and seeing them end up with zero value a couple of years from now while the WRs are still clicking along at 1,000/9. The value just isn't there for a lot of these RBs if you are in your dynasty league for the long haul.Just one opinion. Hey, what do I know.

 
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Just one opinion. Hey, what do I know.
You know some things to be able to get to the Superbowl in Misfits 1 this season.....And then lose to me :unsure: J/K Potato, you're right about longevity and some of the current RB's being way over-valued but we've and I especially have already discussed how much WR depth there is and the quality WR's that have been going in the 7th-11th rounds.IMO, McNabb would have been a much better pick than Owens. McNabb is top shelf and young enough to be your Dynasty QB for many years. Same goes with Chad for WR's, I'd rather have him than Owens right now, hope that doesn't sound crazy to too many of you.....Henry for him in the 3rd was especially risky considering he has McGahee. For a different owner, it would have been a slightly better pick IMO at this point in time, being Feb 2nd. 2 weeks from now it could be much different, just we don't know yet.I believe that Dunn as a RB2 in a 14 team dynasty is not that great right now (looking at being a long-term owner here). He's still got Duckett there, and he isn't getting any younger....Dunn as a flex player is very very good however.
 
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Just one opinion. Hey, what do I know.
You know some things to be able to get to the Superbowl in Misfits 1 this season.....
... and the previous season, but who's counting. ;)As far as specifics are concerned, I'm making it a point to stay away from discussing drafts by individual teams this year since I'll be drafting in MOX 7. I did a lot of writeups last year evaluating each team in MOX 2, and then went on to have one of the worst drafts of my life in MOX 3 a couple of weeks later (hellooooooooo 1st rounder Kevan Barlow!). I managed to get to the semi-finals thanks to luck and free agency, but it wasn't a pretty team I drafted.
 
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There is something to consider that I think a lot of people who are drafting in MOX leagues this year are ignoring. The longevity advantage of a franchise QB or WR in a dynasty format has value vis-a-vis RB. Dig out a 4 year old cheatsheet and you'll see what I mean. NFL teams know that RB is the most easily replaceable skill position, and that's why you see teams being sure to keep Harrison and maybe not Edge, keep D Jackson and maybe not Alexander, keep Chad Johnson and let Dillon and maybe Rudi walk, etc. Draft Chad Johnson in a dynasty league and you have a lot better idea what you will still have 4 years (or even 2 years) from now than if you draft Thomas Jones or DeShaun Foster or even Domanick Davis, who are all going in MOX leagues several spots sooner solely due to our starting lineup format. It's all well and good to aspire to having a bunch of RBs, but it's pretty pointless if two years from now you have a rosterful of the equivalent of today's Willie Green or Eddie George or Amos Zereoue or Charlie Garner or Marcell Shipp or Stephen Davis instead of some Chad Johnsons. Since a player's dynasty value goes beyond this year, folks ought to be thinking big picture rather than obsessing over the two flex positions in MOX leagues and grabbing as many currently-starting RBs as they can. The short-term advantage of having extra second-rate RBs in this year's lineup is far outweighed by the long-term consequences of taking them over stud WRs and seeing them end up with zero value a couple of years from now while the WRs are still clicking along at 1,000/9. The value just isn't there for a lot of these RBs if you are in your dynasty league for the long haul.Just one opinion. Hey, what do I know.
:goodposting: I agree completely. I posted something similar to this in a dynasty strategy thread a day or two ago and I definitely had longevity in mind when I took McNabb, Boldin, Ward, and Roethlisberger with four of my first six picks in MOX IV.
 
Just one opinion.  Hey, what do I know.
You know some things to be able to get to the Superbowl in Misfits 1 this season.....
... and the previous season, but who's counting. ;)As far as specifics are concerned, I'm making it a point to stay away from discussing drafts by individual teams this year since I'll be drafting in MOX 7. I did a lot of writeups last year evaluating each team in MOX 2, and then went on to have one of the worst drafts of my life in MOX 3 a couple of weeks later (hellooooooooo 1st rounder Kevan Barlow!). I managed to get to the semi-finals thanks to luck and free agency, but it wasn't a pretty team I drafted.
Don't feel bad CP I used those writeups to help draft my team in MOX 3 and ended up winning the total points. I meant to thank you. Very informative. :thumbup:
 
Just one opinion.  Hey, what do I know.
IMO, McNabb would have been a much better pick than Owens. McNabb is top shelf and young enough to be your Dynasty QB for many years.
Drafting in the 1 hole, that was my thinking as well at taking McNabb at pick 3.1. :thumbup: I already regret taking Freddie at 2.14 since I'm not a big fan of his (I REALLY considered Chad Johnson there :wall: ) but the RB purist in me took over, so hopefully Fred will be a solid contributor for at least a few years.
 
Hey ravnzfan, I still don't understand why you have it at such a high priority to get one of the new big "2" WR's.  We've already been through how important RB's are, and even if the big "2" seem like value in the 2nd round, you could almost have your pick of WR's after that in the 3rd round including Harrison.  Especially in the 2 leagues without a good rookie pick, still seems like a risky strategy to me.
Moss or TO out point any RB available at those spots, when healthy and playing 16 games...I did have 5 other RB's predrafted before TO, all selected before him, obviouslybetween TO and Henry, the only player of interest to me was McNabb, who I would have taken in the 3rd, if available--not the secondonly 6 or 8 RB's out score either of these guys playing a full season...everyone's hard on for the RB's has these guys undervalued big time...IMO, of course :Dand BTW...forget Moss comming here(to Balt)---we'll draft a WR again and sign a FA, but forget the trade routeTO for a 5th, @ $5M/yr was one thing...multiple picks and a defensive player, plus $32M/4yr for Moss is too pricey, considering the cap ramificationsneed to sign Rabach, Baxter and Heap...a DT, as the 4-3 is back and a RT, just for starterssorry for ther hijack...Moss stays in Minny, good for 1600/15 next yr!
 
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Looking at MnO 4-6, we have the following (Average draft position first)6 Culpepper, Daunte MIN QB6 Manning, Peyton IND QB25 McNabb, Donovan PHI QB34 Vick, Michael ATL QB18 Moss, Randy MIN WR25 Owens, Terrell PHI WR29 Johnson, Chad CIN WR34 Johnson, Andre HOU WR36 Holt, Torry STL WR38 Walker, Javon GBP WR41 Harrison, Marvin IND WR42 Horn, Joe NOS WR44 Clayton, Michael TBB WR45 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR45 Wayne, Reggie IND WR45 Williams, Roy DET WR51 Gates, Antonio SDC TE53 Smith, Steve CAR WR55 Bennett, Drew TEN WR55 Boldin, Anquan ARI WR1 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB4 McGahee, Willis BUF RB4 Alexander, Shaun SEA RB5 Jones, Kevin DET RB6 Lewis, Jamal BAL RB7 Jones, Julius DAL RB8 Portis, Clinton WAS RB10 McAllister, Deuce NOS RB11 James, Edgerrin IND RB12 Jackson, Steven STL RB13 Green, Ahman GBP RB15 Davis, Domanick HOU RB15 Johnson, Larry KCC RB16 Bell, Tatum DEN RB16 Brown, Chris TEN RB20 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB21 Johnson, Rudi CIN RB21 Jones, Thomas CHI RB23 Foster, De'shaun CAR RB24 Barber, Tiki NYG RB24 Dillon, Corey NEP RB28 Suggs, Lee CLE RB29 Martin, Curtis NYJ RB31 Holmes, Priest KCC RB33 Barlow, Kevan SFO RB34 Taylor, Fred JAC RB35 Henry, Travis BUF RB35 Dunn, Warrick ATL RB39 Jordan, Lamont NYJ RB39 Smith, Onterrio MIN RB42 Bennett, Michael MIN RB45 Duckett, T.J. ATL RB

 
Looking at MnO 4-6, we have the following (Average draft position first)6 Culpepper, Daunte MIN QB6 Manning, Peyton IND QB25 McNabb, Donovan PHI QB34 Vick, Michael ATL QB18 Moss, Randy MIN WR25 Owens, Terrell PHI WR29 Johnson, Chad CIN WR34 Johnson, Andre HOU WR36 Holt, Torry STL WR38 Walker, Javon GBP WR41 Harrison, Marvin IND WR42 Horn, Joe NOS WR44 Clayton, Michael TBB WR45 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR45 Wayne, Reggie IND WR45 Williams, Roy DET WR51 Gates, Antonio SDC TE53 Smith, Steve CAR WR55 Bennett, Drew TEN WR55 Boldin, Anquan ARI WR1 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB4 McGahee, Willis BUF RB4 Alexander, Shaun SEA RB5 Jones, Kevin DET RB6 Lewis, Jamal BAL RB7 Jones, Julius DAL RB8 Portis, Clinton WAS RB10 McAllister, Deuce NOS RB11 James, Edgerrin IND RB12 Jackson, Steven STL RB13 Green, Ahman GBP RB15 Davis, Domanick HOU RB15 Johnson, Larry KCC RB16 Bell, Tatum DEN RB16 Brown, Chris TEN RB20 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB21 Johnson, Rudi CIN RB21 Jones, Thomas CHI RB23 Foster, De'shaun CAR RB24 Barber, Tiki NYG RB24 Dillon, Corey NEP RB28 Suggs, Lee CLE RB29 Martin, Curtis NYJ RB31 Holmes, Priest KCC RB33 Barlow, Kevan SFO RB34 Taylor, Fred JAC RB35 Henry, Travis BUF RB35 Dunn, Warrick ATL RB39 Jordan, Lamont NYJ RB39 Smith, Onterrio MIN RB42 Bennett, Michael MIN RB45 Duckett, T.J. ATL RB
Interesting. WR comments:- Wayne seems low, Horn seems high- Surprised Ward isn't listed- Surprised Jackson isn't listed- I'd love to get Marvin Harrison at 3.13... RB/RB/Harrison/ with another pick 2 picks later would be a great startRB comments:- Can't believe Jones, Jones, McGahee all went in the top 6, ahead of other young proven backs such as Green and Portis.- Dynasty notwithstanding, Holmes, Martin, Taylor in the third round will win an early championship or two for someone- Foster seems high given his injury history
 
It's interesting to see where the WRs are going. Joe Horn and Marvin Harrison will both be 33 next season, but each guy still goes very high in drafts. Isaac Bruce is actually younger than Horn and Harrison, but he's been going about five rounds later. I'm biased because I took him in MOX IV, but it seems like Bruce is a good value compared to some of the other old WRs. To a lesser extent, I think the same is true about Jimmy Smith and Rod Smith. Those guys are near the end of the rope, but they're still decent bets to give you a couple good years. Right now you can pick them up for super cheap and then use late picks to get undervalued WR prospects to eventually replace them. This is just one strategy to consider if you decide not to use early picks on WRs.

 
- Wayne seems low, Horn seems high- Can't believe Jones, Jones, McGahee all went in the top 6, ahead of other young proven backs such as Green and Portis.
I don't know that Wayne is low. Marvin's getting older and you do have to wonder if Wayne is capable of producing on his own. I think it mirrors the Peerless Price situation a bit. I'm not saying that Wayne will be a bust down the road, but if I'm taking a WR in the first few rounds I want a guy who has shown that he can have success as a team's #1 target. It is a bit surprising to see the young backs going high. It's definitely a gamble when you're talking about first and second year players, but the potential payoff is big. Sure, Ahman Green is proven, but he's about six years older than McGahee and the Jones boys. As for Portis, he was pretty bad last year. I realize that his supporting cast stunk, but he still hasn't shown that he can excel on a bad team. One could argue that Julius Jones, Willis McGahee, and Kevin Jones have shown that they can do that. Personally, I feel like JJ is probably the most overrated of the bunch. I like him, but I wouldn't feel comfortable taking him over someone like Deuce McAllister. Either way, I can at least understand the reasoning behind the picks.
 
Right now you can pick them up for super cheap and then use late picks to get undervalued WR prospects to eventually replace them. This is just one strategy to consider if you decide not to use early picks on WRs.
Shhhh... Don't tell ;)
 
I agree completely. I posted something similar to this in a dynasty strategy thread a day or two ago and I definitely had longevity in mind when I took McNabb, Boldin, Ward, and Roethlisberger with four of my first six picks in MOX IV.
I hope we are on to something here EBF. I just used my 6th round pick on a Big Ben to go with Palmer. I don't think I will be drafting any QBs for quite some time with these fellas.
 
I agree completely. I posted something similar to this in a dynasty strategy thread a day or two ago and I definitely had longevity in mind when I took McNabb, Boldin, Ward, and Roethlisberger with four of my first six picks in MOX IV.
I hope we are on to something here EBF. I just used my 6th round pick on a Big Ben to go with Palmer. I don't think I will be drafting any QBs for quite some time with these fellas.
I think that pick will pay off for you.
 
Math, Where are you?I'm tired and have been waiting all day....Joe Nedney is still available....Love, Mistakes P.S. This didn't work at the draft site yet, mayne you are lurking here.

 
Math, Where are you?I'm tired and have been waiting all day....Joe Nedney is still available....Love, Mistakes P.S.  This didn't work at the draft site yet, mayne you are lurking here.
Another reason why these types of drafts should happen on 1 day. Not to mention that online Live drafts are more fun. I've done several of these 24 hour time limit drafts and I don't like them. There is always a few who almost take the full time limit, and you can go a week with no more than 10 or 11 picks taken. I'm not saying that is the case with this draft, but it can get frustrating. It is easy to send an email when the league is first started to get a set of dates everyone can do the draft, then pick the common day among those dates to do the draft. JMO. I've never found a situation where you can't find 1 common day among several dates given to do the draft. I know several of you like this format and that is fine, but for me, an online single day draft is a lot of fun.
 
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Math, Where are you?I'm tired and have been waiting all day....Joe Nedney is still available....Love, Mistakes P.S.  This didn't work at the draft site yet, mayne you are lurking here.
Another reason why these types of drafts should happen on 1 day. Not to mention that online Live drafts are more fun. I've done several of these 24 hour time limit drafts and I don't like them. There is always a few who almost take the full time limit, and you can go a week with no more than 10 or 11 picks taken. I'm not saying that is the case with this draft, but it can get frustrating. It is easy to send an email when the league is first started to get a set of dates everyone can do the draft, then pick the common day among those dates to do the draft. JMO. I've never found a situation where you can't find 1 common day among several dates given to do the draft. I know several of you like this format and that is fine, but for me, an online single day draft is a lot of fun.
while it is somewhat frustrating when 1 or 2 owners seem to hold up the parade, the previous 2 drafts went rather quickly......oh, and we have set the 12 hr timer, effective Monday morning! :ph34r: I do enough 1 day drafts each year--the last thing we'll ever do is draft a 14 team/20 round Misfits draft in 1 daywe have guys from all accross the country, plus many of our finest serving half way around the world in the Middle East and several in Japan playing in these leagues...not very convienient, when you consider thisso, Chuck, guess I'm not holding a spot in M-VIII for you next offseason, huh? :D
 
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Math, Where are you?I'm tired and have been waiting all day....Joe Nedney is still available....Love, Mistakes P.S. This didn't work at the draft site yet, mayne you are lurking here.
I think some people can vouch for me that I've spent a lot of time at the site and on the computer in general since the draft started. It's just happened that when I need to make an important decision, I'll have to go to work, and when I want to talk to someone else, they won't be online. Anyway, I'm going to predraft the next round now, which I suggest for other people. Speaking of which, that could have been done while I was waiting for a response. I hope we get through a round or two today.
 
I was waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting too.Good thing I'm not in the draft. :P

 
Update... average draft position between the three MOX drafts. I left out players who haven't been taken in MOX6.6 Culpepper, Daunte MIN QB6 Manning, Peyton IND QB25 McNabb, Donovan PHI QB34 Vick, Michael ATL QB57 Bulger, Marc STL QB61 Brady, Tom NEP QB63 Palmer, Carson CIN QB73 Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB75 Carr, David HOU QB75 Delhomme, Jake CAR QB81 Leftwich, Byron JAC QB82 Green, Trent KCC QB82 Manning, Eli NYG QB85 Brooks, Aaron NOS QB86 Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB97 Brees, Drew SDC QB97 Pennington, Chad NYJ QB103 Plummer, Jake DEN QB111 Rivers, Philip SDC QB111 Harrington, Joey DET QB116 Volek, Billy TEN QB119 Losman, J.P. BUF QB86 Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def101 Bills, Buffalo BUF Def105 Patriots, New England NEP Def18 Moss, Randy MIN WR25 Owens, Terrell PHI WR29 Johnson, Chad CIN WR34 Johnson, Andre HOU WR36 Holt, Torry STL WR38 Walker, Javon GBP WR41 Harrison, Marvin IND WR44 Clayton, Michael TBB WR45 Wayne, Reggie IND WR45 Williams, Roy DET WR48 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR51 Horn, Joe NOS WR54 Gates, Antonio SDC TE54 Smith, Steve CAR WR55 Bennett, Drew TEN WR55 Boldin, Anquan ARI WR55 Evans, Lee BUF WR56 Ward, Hines PIT WR57 Jackson, Darrell SEA WR62 Chambers, Chris MIA WR64 Burleson, Nate MIN WR64 Lelie, Ashley DEN WR65 Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE69 Burress, Plaxico PIT WR70 Porter, Jerry OAK WR74 Mason, Derrick TEN WR75 Coles, Laveranues WAS WR79 Rogers, Charles DET WR84 Curry, Ronald OAK WR87 Moss, Santana NYJ WR89 Branch, Deion NEP WR89 Driver, Donald GBP WR100 Colbert, Keary CAR WR100 Muhammad, Muhsin CAR WR102 Bruce, Isaac STL WR102 Stokley, Brandon IND WR103 Moulds, Eric BUF WR106 Heap, Todd BAL TE114 Stallworth, Donte' NOS WR118 Williams, Reggie JAC WR123 Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR125 Bryant, Antonio CLE WR138 Kennison, Eddie KCC WR1 Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB4 McGahee, Willis BUF RB4 Alexander, Shaun SEA RB5 Jones, Kevin DET RB6 Lewis, Jamal BAL RB7 Jones, Julius DAL RB8 Portis, Clinton WAS RB10 McAllister, Deuce NOS RB11 James, Edgerrin IND RB12 Jackson, Steven STL RB13 Green, Ahman GBP RB15 Davis, Domanick HOU RB15 Johnson, Larry KCC RB16 Bell, Tatum DEN RB16 Brown, Chris TEN RB20 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB21 Johnson, Rudi CIN RB21 Jones, Thomas CHI RB23 Foster, De'shaun CAR RB24 Barber, Tiki NYG RB24 Dillon, Corey NEP RB28 Suggs, Lee CLE RB29 Martin, Curtis NYJ RB31 Holmes, Priest KCC RB33 Barlow, Kevan SFO RB34 Taylor, Fred JAC RB35 Henry, Travis BUF RB35 Dunn, Warrick ATL RB39 Jordan, Lamont NYJ RB39 Smith, Onterrio MIN RB42 Bennett, Michael MIN RB45 Duckett, T.J. ATL RB53 Staley, Duce PIT RB61 Thomas, Anthony CHI RB61 Perry, Chris CIN RB63 Pittman, Michael TBB RB69 Rhodes, Dominic IND RB72 Moore, Mewelde MIN RB76 Droughns, Reuben DEN RB79 Blaylock, Derrick KCC RB84 Shipp, Marcel ARI RB86 Cobbs, Cedric NEP RB88 Goings, Nick CAR RB90 Davenport, Najeh GBP RB99 Green, William CLE RB99 Taylor, Chester BAL RB103 Jones, Greg JAC RB108 Buckhalter, Correll PHI RB111 Morris, Maurice SEA RB120 Faulk, Marshall STL RB

 
Tick, any more ADP updates?Thanks
Here ya go. As Tick did, this is average draft position for the MOX 4, 5, 6 drafts, leaving out players who haven't been taken yet in MOX 6.This is thru pick #157 of MOX 6. This one is in order of overall ADP. I'll resort it by position in a minute.
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R	1.0	Tomlinson L	SDR	3.7	McGahee W	BufR	4.0	Alexander S	SeaR	4.7	Jones K	DetQ	5.7	Culpepper D	MinQ	6.0	Manning P	IndR	6.3	Lewis J	BalR	7.3	Jones J	DalR	8.0	Portis C	WasR	9.7	McAllister D	NOR	11.0	James E	IndR	12.3	Jackson S	StLR	12.7	Green A	GBR	15.0	Davis D	HouR	15.0	Johnson L	KCR	15.7	Bell T	DenR	16.3	Brown C	TenW	18.3	Moss R	MinR	19.7	Westbrook B	PhiR	21.0	Jones T	ChiR	21.0	Johnson R	CinR	23.3	Foster D	CarR	23.7	Barber T	NYGR	23.7	Dillon C	NEW	25.0	Owens T	PhiQ	25.3	McNabb D	PhiR	27.7	Suggs L	CleW	28.7	Johnson C	CinR	29.3	Martin C	NYJR	30.7	Holmes P	KCR	33.0	Barlow K	SFR	33.7	Taylor F	JacQ	33.7	Vick M	AtlW	34.3	Johnson A	HouR	35.0	Henry T	BufR	35.3	Dunn W	AtlW	35.7	Holt T	StLW	37.7	Walker J	GBR	39.3	Jordan L	NYJR	39.3	Smith O	MinW	40.7	Harrison M	IndR	42.3	Bennett M	MinW	43.7	Clayton M	TBW	45.0	Wayne R	IndW	45.0	Williams R	DetR	45.3	Duckett T	AtlW	48.3	Fitzgerald L	AriW	51.3	Horn J	NOR	53.3	Staley D	PitT	53.7	Gates A	SDW	54.0	Smith S	CarW	55.0	Bennett D	TenW	55.0	Boldin A	AriW	55.3	Evans L	BufW	56.0	Ward H	PitW	57.3	Jackson D	SeaQ	57.3	Bulger M	StLR	60.7	Thomas A	ChiR	61.0	Perry C	CinQ	61.3	Brady T	NEW	61.7	Chambers M	MiaQ	62.7	Palmer C	CinR	63.3	Pittman M	TBW	63.7	Burleson N	MinW	64.3	Lelie A	DenT	65.3	Gonzalez T	KCW	68.7	Burress P	PitR	69.3	Rhodes D	IndW	70.0	Porter J	OakR	72.3	Moore M	MinQ	72.7	Roethlisberger B	PitW	73.7	Mason D	TenQ	74.7	Carr D	HouQ	74.7	Delhomme J	CarW	75.0	Coles L	WasR	76.3	Droughns R	DenR	79.0	Blaylock D	KCW	79.0	Rogers C	DetQ	81.3	Leftwich B	JacQ	82.0	Green T	KCQ	82.3	Manning E	NYGW	84.0	Curry R	OakR	84.3	Shipp M	AriQ	85.0	Brooks A	NOQ	85.7	Hasselbeck M	SeaD	86.3	Ravens	BalR	86.3	Cobbs C	NEW	87.0	Moss S	NYJR	87.7	Goings N	CarW	89.0	Branch D	NEW	89.0	Driver D	GBR	89.7	Davenport N	GBQ	97.0	Brees D	SDQ	97.3	Pennington C	NYJR	98.7	Green W	CleR	99.0	Taylor C	BalW	99.7	Colbert K	CarW	100.0	Muhammad M	CarD	101.0	Bills	BufW	102.0	Stokley B	IndW	102.0	Bruce I	StLR	102.7	Jones G	JacW	103.0	Moulds E	BufQ	103.0	Plummer J	DenD	105.0	Patriots	NET	106.3	Heap T	BalR	107.7	Buckhalter C	PhiR	110.0	Bettis J	PitQ	111.0	Rivers P	SDQ	111.3	Harrington J	DetR	111.3	Morris M	SeaQ	113.0	Favre B	GBW	114.3	Stallworth D	NOT	114.7	Winslow K	CleD	114.7	Steelers	PitQ	116.3	Volek B	TenQ	117.7	Ramsey P	WasW	118.0	Williams R	JacQ	118.7	Losman J	BufR	120.3	Faulk M	StLW	123.0	Lloyd B	SFW	124.7	McCareins J	NYJW	125.0	Bryant A	CleW	126.0	Robinson K	SeaW	127.3	Calico T	TenW	127.7	Houshmandzadeh T	CinR	127.7	Chatman J	SDR	129.7	Davis S	CarR	133.7	Stecker A	NOR	135.0	Haynes V	PitQ	135.3	Collins K	OakW	137.3	Givens D	NEQ	137.3	Griese B	TBW	137.7	Kennison E	KCR	140.0	Griffin Q	DenW	140.0	Smith J	JacQ	140.7	Grossman R	ChiW	144.3	Smith R	DenW	145.0	Watts D	DenQ	147.3	Boller K	BalW	148.7	Woods R	SFQ	150.7	Simms C	TBR	151.7	Betts L	WasW	154.7	Moore C	BalT	154.7	Witten J	DalT	155.7	Shockey J	NYGR	157.3	Smith M	BalW	158.0	Randle El A	PitW	160.0	Caldwell R	SDW	173.0	Davis A	CleW	176.0	Terrell D	ChiD	179.3	Bears	ChiW	181.3	Price P	AtlQ	183.0	Rattay T	SFR	234.7	Hambrick T	Ari
Note: Hambrick wasn't taken in MOX 4 so I gave him a draft pick value of 281 in that draft (we draft 280 total).
 
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Sorted by position. Note that although I've separated TEs here, they are treated as WRs in MOX leagues. Again, it only includes players taken so far in MOX 6, so there are no PKs listed yet.

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D	86.3	Ravens	BalD	101.0	Bills	BufD	105.0	Patriots	NED	114.7	Steelers	PitD	179.3	Bears	ChiQ	5.7	Culpepper D	MinQ	6.0	Manning P	IndQ	25.3	McNabb D	PhiQ	33.7	Vick M	AtlQ	57.3	Bulger M	StLQ	61.3	Brady T	NEQ	62.7	Palmer C	CinQ	72.7	Roethlisberger B	PitQ	74.7	Delhomme J	CarQ	74.7	Carr D	HouQ	81.3	Leftwich B	JacQ	82.0	Green T	KCQ	82.3	Manning E	NYGQ	85.0	Brooks A	NOQ	85.7	Hasselbeck M	SeaQ	97.0	Brees D	SDQ	97.3	Pennington C	NYJQ	103.0	Plummer J	DenQ	111.0	Rivers P	SDQ	111.3	Harrington J	DetQ	113.0	Favre B	GBQ	116.3	Volek B	TenQ	117.7	Ramsey P	WasQ	118.7	Losman J	BufQ	135.3	Collins K	OakQ	137.3	Griese B	TBQ	140.7	Grossman R	ChiQ	147.3	Boller K	BalQ	150.7	Simms C	TBQ	183.0	Rattay T	SFR	1.0	Tomlinson L	SDR	3.7	McGahee W	BufR	4.0	Alexander S	SeaR	4.7	Jones K	DetR	6.3	Lewis J	BalR	7.3	Jones J	DalR	8.0	Portis C	WasR	9.7	McAllister D	NOR	11.0	James E	IndR	12.3	Jackson S	StLR	12.7	Green A	GBR	15.0	Davis D	HouR	15.0	Johnson L	KCR	15.7	Bell T	DenR	16.3	Brown C	TenR	19.7	Westbrook B	PhiR	21.0	Jones T	ChiR	21.0	Johnson R	CinR	23.3	Foster D	CarR	23.7	Barber T	NYGR	23.7	Dillon C	NER	27.7	Suggs L	CleR	29.3	Martin C	NYJR	30.7	Holmes P	KCR	33.0	Barlow K	SFR	33.7	Taylor F	JacR	35.0	Henry T	BufR	35.3	Dunn W	AtlR	39.3	Jordan L	NYJR	39.3	Smith O	MinR	42.3	Bennett M	MinR	45.3	Duckett T	AtlR	53.3	Staley D	PitR	60.7	Thomas A	ChiR	61.0	Perry C	CinR	63.3	Pittman M	TBR	69.3	Rhodes D	IndR	72.3	Moore M	MinR	76.3	Droughns R	DenR	79.0	Blaylock D	KCR	84.3	Shipp M	AriR	86.3	Cobbs C	NER	87.7	Goings N	CarR	89.7	Davenport N	GBR	98.7	Green W	CleR	99.0	Taylor C	BalR	102.7	Jones G	JacR	107.7	Buckhalter C	PhiR	110.0	Bettis J	PitR	111.3	Morris M	SeaR	120.3	Faulk M	StLR	127.7	Chatman J	SDR	129.7	Davis S	CarR	133.7	Stecker A	NOR	135.0	Haynes V	PitR	140.0	Griffin Q	DenR	151.7	Betts L	WasR	157.3	Smith M	BalR	234.7	Hambrick T	AriT	53.7	Gates A	SDT	65.3	Gonzalez T	KCT	106.3	Heap T	BalT	114.7	Winslow K	CleT	154.7	Witten J	DalT	155.7	Shockey J	NYGW	18.3	Moss R	MinW	25.0	Owens T	PhiW	28.7	Johnson C	CinW	34.3	Johnson A	HouW	35.7	Holt T	StLW	37.7	Walker J	GBW	40.7	Harrison M	IndW	43.7	Clayton M	TBW	45.0	Williams R	DetW	45.0	Wayne R	IndW	48.3	Fitzgerald L	AriW	51.3	Horn J	NOW	54.0	Smith S	CarW	55.0	Boldin A	AriW	55.0	Bennett D	TenW	55.3	Evans L	BufW	56.0	Ward H	PitW	57.3	Jackson D	SeaW	61.7	Chambers M	MiaW	63.7	Burleson N	MinW	64.3	Lelie A	DenW	68.7	Burress P	PitW	70.0	Porter J	OakW	73.7	Mason D	TenW	75.0	Coles L	WasW	79.0	Rogers C	DetW	84.0	Curry R	OakW	87.0	Moss S	NYJW	89.0	Branch D	NEW	89.0	Driver D	GBW	99.7	Colbert K	CarW	100.0	Muhammad M	CarW	102.0	Bruce I	StLW	102.0	Stokley B	IndW	103.0	Moulds E	BufW	114.3	Stallworth D	NOW	118.0	Williams R	JacW	123.0	Lloyd B	SFW	124.7	McCareins J	NYJW	125.0	Bryant A	CleW	126.0	Robinson K	SeaW	127.3	Calico T	TenW	127.7	Houshmandzadeh T	CinW	137.3	Givens D	NEW	137.7	Kennison E	KCW	140.0	Smith J	JacW	144.3	Smith R	DenW	145.0	Watts D	DenW	148.7	Woods R	SFW	154.7	Moore C	BalW	158.0	Randle El A	PitW	160.0	Caldwell R	SDW	173.0	Davis A	CleW	176.0	Terrell D	ChiW	181.3	Price P	Atl
 
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Just cuz I know this is so dang interesting to everyone, here's the breakdown by position for each of the 6 MOX drafts.

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There has been a trade that is worth looking at. The sort of trade only found in dynasty leagues. Basically Joe Horn for a high schooler and his little brother.

 
There has been a trade that is worth looking at. The sort of trade only found in dynasty leagues. Basically Joe Horn for a high schooler and his little brother.
Based on the rosters, looks more like Joe Horn for Adrian Peterson and a high schooler :)
I'm withholding most of my comments for after the draft since I am one of the teams, but I will say this...With all the trading that has been done there are definitely some teams in the position of possibly dominating next year and then struggling after that and there are teams that are the exact opposite which seem to have punted next year to build for years down the line.I would think you would get that to some extent in every dynasty initial draft, but the other two MOX drafts seem to have teams that are much more evenly matched in terms of current production and potential future production whereas this draft seems to have gravitated towards teams on opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
There has been a trade that is worth looking at. The sort of trade only found in dynasty leagues. Basically Joe Horn for a high schooler and his little brother.
Based on the rosters, looks more like Joe Horn for Adrian Peterson and a high schooler :)
I'm withholding most of my comments for after the draft since I am one of the teams, but I will say this...With all the trading that has been done there are definitely some teams in the position of possibly dominating next year and then struggling after that and there are teams that are the exact opposite which seem to have punted next year to build for years down the line.I would think you would get that to some extent in every dynasty initial draft, but the other two MOX drafts seem to have teams that are much more evenly matched in terms of current production and potential future production whereas this draft seems to have gravitated towards teams on opposite ends of the spectrum.
I would be interested in seeing the trades if that is allowed?
 
Per request:1. Miami Cowboys / Otters Trade Miami Cowboys gave up Horn, Joe NOS WROtters gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 19.12Comments: The Miami Cowboys trade their 1st round rookie pick next year(2006) 2nd round rookie picks next year and the year after (2006 and 2007) to the Otters, and the Otters give their 1st round rookie pick in 2007 and their 1st round ro Wed Feb 9 11:30:21 p.m. ET 2005 2. Steel Curtain III / Mathematically Eliminated Trade Steel Curtain III gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 20.02Mathematically Eliminated gave up Comments: Includes ME's 4th round rookie pick to even things out from the last trade Wed Feb 9 3:25:31 p.m. ET 2005 3. Mathematically Eliminated / Steel Curtain III Trade Mathematically Eliminated gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 12.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 13.07Steel Curtain III gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 17.14Comments: Includes Steel Curtain III's 2.02 rookie pick. Wed Feb 9 3:06:18 p.m. ET 2005 4. LONGSHOTZ-VI / Silverbacks VI Trade LONGSHOTZ-VI gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 18.11;Year 2004 Draft Pick 20.11Silverbacks VI gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 11.02;Year 2004 Draft Pick 12.13Comments: plus my rookies 1.11, 2.11 this year Tue Feb 8 3:25:33 p.m. ET 2005 5. Miami Cowboys / Otters Trade Miami Cowboys gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 15.03Otters gave up Pennington, Chad NYJ QBComments: Miami Cowboys give their 2nd round rookie pick(2.5) to Otters. Mon Feb 7 7:10:09 p.m. ET 2005 6. Mathematically Eliminated / Team Pepe Delgado's III Trade Mathematically Eliminated gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.05;Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.08;Year 2004 Draft Pick 11.07;Year 2004 Draft Pick 15.02Team Pepe Delgado's III gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 10.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 10.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 12.10Comments: Hope this works out well for both of us. Sun Feb 6 4:23:44 p.m. ET 2005 7. Mathematically Eliminated / Bozmacs Trade Mathematically Eliminated gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.13;Year 2004 Draft Pick 12.08Bozmacs gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 7.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 10.05Comments: Do you still want to get into round 6? How does this sound? Fri Feb 4 9:37:11 p.m. ET 2005 8. Miami Cowboys / Mathematically Eliminated Trade Miami Cowboys gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 7.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.05;Year 2004 Draft Pick 14.12Mathematically Eliminated gave up Horn, Joe NOS WR; Year 2004 Draft Pick 9.07;Year 2004 Draft Pick 18.08 Fri Feb 4 6:28:45 p.m. ET 2005 9. Mistakes Were Made / Steel Curtain III Trade Mistakes Were Made gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.01;Year 2004 Draft Pick 9.02;Year 2004 Draft Pick 17.14Steel Curtain III gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 7.13;Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.02;Year 2004 Draft Pick 13.13Comments: No rookie picks involved. Thu Feb 3 11:37:48 p.m. ET 2005 10. Miami Cowboys / Otters Trade Miami Cowboys gave up Barlow, Kevan SFO RB; Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.12Otters gave up Alexander, Shaun SEA RB; Year 2004 Draft Pick 7.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 16.12 Thu Feb 3 9:02:48 p.m. ET 2005 11. Miami Cowboys / Otters Trade Miami Cowboys gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 4.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 16.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 19.03Otters gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 7.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.05;Year 2004 Draft Pick 13.03Comments: Miami Cowboys gives his second 2nd round rookie pick to Otters(2.12) Thu Feb 3 12:51:54 a.m. ET 2005 12. Silverbacks VI / Mathematically Eliminated Trade Silverbacks VI gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 4.13;Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.14;Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.13;Year 2004 Draft Pick 15.02Mathematically Eliminated gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 4.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.08;Year 2004 Draft Pick 19.07;Year 2004 Draft Pick 20.08Comments: Includes Math's '06 first rounder Thu Feb 3 12:45:00 a.m. ET 2005 13. Mistakes Were Made / Holy Rollers Trade Mistakes Were Made gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 4.01;Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.02Holy Rollers gave up Jordan, Lamont NYJ RB; Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.09Comments: No rookie picks involved Wed Feb 2 11:20:56 p.m. ET 2005 14. Team Pepe Delgado's III / Miami Cowboys Trade Team Pepe Delgado's III gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 2.08;Year 2004 Draft Pick 3.05;Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 15.05Miami Cowboys gave up Green, Ahman GBP RB; Year 2004 Draft Pick 4.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 10.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 12.12 Wed Feb 2 12:28:53 a.m. ET 2005 15. Team Pepe Delgado's III / Mathematically Eliminated Trade Team Pepe Delgado's III gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 4.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.05Mathematically Eliminated gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 2.08;Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.07Comments: this includes pepes 1st round rook and maths 2nd round rook Tue Feb 1 10:11:46 p.m. ET 2005 16. Silverbacks VI / Mistakes Were Made Trade Silverbacks VI gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2004 Draft Pick 3.02;Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.02;Year 2004 Draft Pick 9.02Mistakes Were Made gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 1.14;Year 2004 Draft Pick 3.14;Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.14;Year 2004 Draft Pick 10.01Comments: also swap first round picks Sun Jan 30 9:05:59 p.m. ET 2005 17. Miami Cowboys / Otters Trade Miami Cowboys gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 1.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 2.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 7.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 13.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 20.12Otters gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2004 Draft Pick 2.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 4.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 6.03;Year 2004 Draft Pick 12.03Comments: Miami Cowboys give 1st round rookie pick and Otters give 2nd round rookie pick(received in trade from Bozmacs,2.5) Fri Jan 28 9:06:44 p.m. ET 2005 18. Bozmacs / Otters Trade Bozmacs gave up Otters gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 20.03Comments: We need to do this to even out draft picks. Mon Jan 24 7:06:13 p.m. ET 2005 19. Otters / Bozmacs Trade Otters gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 10.03Bozmacs gave up Year 2004 Draft Pick 5.10;Year 2004 Draft Pick 8.05Comments: my 1st rd rookie your 2nd rd rookie Sun Jan 23 8:20:46 p.m. ET 2005

 
This format might be easier:Otters:QB: Vick, RamseyRB: Holmes, Barlow, Droughns, HambrickWR: Horn, Harrison, S Moss, Mason, GonzoMiami Cowboys:QB: Brooks, PenningtonRB: Alexander, T Jones, L Johnson, W Green, PittmanWR: Chad Johnson, Chambers, Calico, Toomer, MooreDEF: PatriotsThe trade was Horn and Miami Cowboys' '06 first rounder, plus two of Miami Cowboys' second rounders, for Otters' first rounders in '07 and '08Other trades between these two teams:Otters also traded Chad Pennington (selected 8.03) to Miami Cowboys for 2.05 rookie and 15.03Otters also traded Shaun Alexander (selected 1.03) to Miami Cowboys for Kevan Barlow (3.03) for the price of a late fifth rounder and a trade-back from 6.03 to 7.12 and 6.12 to 8.12Otters gives 1.12, 2.03, 4.03 to Miami Cowboys for 1.03, 2.12 (Miami Cowboys also moves up one round in the fifth and moves back from 1.12 rookie to 2.05 rookie)

 
Fun to be in a league like this. I can't say that the Miami Cowboys only trades with the Otters, because he has sent me several trade offers. I guess Otters is the only person to actually see ony of these trade offers as a good deal. This one sided trading is going to make it tough on the rest of us.

 
Fun to be in a league like this. I can't say that the Miami Cowboys only trades with the Otters, because he has sent me several trade offers. I guess Otters is the only person to actually see ony of these trade offers as a good deal. This one sided trading is going to make it tough on the rest of us.
If two more people protest it will be reviewed and possibly overturned (Steve has said that he won't unilaterally veto, but there is still the normal overturn process in the league rules). Looks like that's not going to happen, though as nobody has protested but me yet.
 
Otters also traded Shaun Alexander (selected 1.03) to Miami Cowboys for Kevan Barlow (3.03) for the price of a late fifth rounder and a trade-back from 6.03 to 7.12 and 6.12 to 8.12Otters gives 1.12, 2.03, 4.03 to Miami Cowboys for 1.03, 2.12 (Miami Cowboys also moves up one round in the fifth and moves back from 1.12 rookie to 2.05 rookie)
As bad as the Pennington deal is... and I think it's terrible... these two together are pretty funny. If someone had offered you the 21st rookie and 15.03 for 8.03, what would you have said?The Cowboys traded down from 1.03 to 1.12, getting to move up to 2.03 and adding an early 4th rounder.Then, he traded his THIRD rounder for the guy who was chosen with that very 1.03 pick, and didn't have to give up the 2nd round pick or the 4th round pick he'd gotten when he gave it up. Instead, he gave up a late 5th round and dropped back 2 rounds with 2 other picks.You never know how these things end up, but wow. I think our league is pretty balanced and it's going to be a fun league.
 
Otters also traded Shaun Alexander (selected 1.03) to Miami Cowboys for Kevan Barlow (3.03) for the price of a late fifth rounder and a trade-back from 6.03 to 7.12 and 6.12 to 8.12Otters gives 1.12, 2.03, 4.03 to Miami Cowboys for 1.03, 2.12 (Miami Cowboys also moves up one round in the fifth and moves back from 1.12 rookie to 2.05 rookie)
As bad as the Pennington deal is... and I think it's terrible... these two together are pretty funny. If someone had offered you the 21st rookie and 15.03 for 8.03, what would you have said?The Cowboys traded down from 1.03 to 1.12, getting to move up to 2.03 and adding an early 4th rounder.Then, he traded his THIRD rounder for the guy who was chosen with that very 1.03 pick, and didn't have to give up the 2nd round pick or the 4th round pick he'd gotten when he gave it up. Instead, he gave up a late 5th round and dropped back 2 rounds with 2 other picks.You never know how these things end up, but wow. I think our league is pretty balanced and it's going to be a fun league.
Amazingly, Miami Cowboys has parlayed one of the weaker draft spots this year (1.03) to be probably the best team in the league--due in large part to his trades with Otters. Otters has done the opposite--frittering away one of the best draft positions (1.12) to be one of the worst (but not THE worst) teams on paper. I think Otters actually did a pretty good job choosing players in the draft, he has just made some awful trades. He also traded his 1.03 rookie pick (a likely starting RB) for a 5th round vet pick. He seems like a conscientious guy--I'm sure he'll learn, I just hope it's not too late.Anyway, I disagree that this is a balanced league. Two teams (Miami Cowboys, and Mistakes Were Made = 1.14) are shaping up as the best, with you (1.13) up there too. In MOX III, there were really no dominant teams coming out of the draft.Last year I thought that my position in MOX III (1.01 = LT2) was the best position. This year, the best positions are, in order, 1.14, 1.13, 1.12, 1.01. There are an unusual amount of good young RB's available at the turn this year, and when you consider the rookie pick, it's a big advantage.
 
I'm drafting 14th in the OFFL draft which starts next Tuesday.After watching the last 3 MOX drafts unfold,I'm very glad to be drafting at the end,and of course having the rookie 1.01 seems kind of unfair,but I will take it...

 

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