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DonnyT33

DonnyT33

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The Packers had their first mini-camp recently, but RB Ahman Green's absence raises questions about his fantasy worth this year. In a story first reported in the Green Bay Press Gazette, Green is recovering from very serious knee and quad injuries suffered last season and by his own admission said he might not be ready to practice until the end of training camp. Keep tabs on Sam Gado if this proves true...

Does not sound good for Greens chances of carrying the load early on if at all this year...Gado looked really tough least year and Davenport is hurting also and always is nicked up..does anyone know how far along Gado is on his knee injury..i don't think his injury was a major one so he could be the closet to playing right now..this is surtly something to keep in mind in early drafts

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Green is coming off season ending injury. Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing? This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness. Much ado about nothing here.

 
I'm not sure why that's funny. Is it great news for Ahman Green owners and horrible news for Gado owners that Green is still rehabbing a serious tendon injury?

I own both of them and I expect Green to be the opening day guy. But keeping an eye on his rehab process is prudent for everyone with a stake in the GB ground attack.

 
Any thread that includes a reference to Najah Davenport and the phrase "carry the load" is going to get one of these :lmao:

But I think the original point is right on. Green and Davenport have significant injury concerns. As of the first minicamp, Gado was supposedly 100%. Its worth paying attention to because Green Bay will be a run first team this year. If (a big if) the O-line gets it together, the starting RB in Green Bay could be serious value.

 
IMO when all 3 are healthy,Gado is the best one. Green Is not the RB he once was. and ND has proved nothing ever. Gado was pretty good for a really bad team..

 
Green is coming off season ending injury. Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing? This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness. Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
 
Green is supposed to be healthy & participating around late July.

If he's not by then, OK, then there's a concern with him.

Right now, it's just a wait and see time.

 
Any thread that includes a reference to Najah Davenport and the phrase "carry the load" is going to get one of these :lmao:

But I think the original point is right on. Green and Davenport have significant injury concerns. As of the first minicamp, Gado was supposedly 100%. Its worth paying attention to because Green Bay will be a run first team this year. If (a big if) the O-line gets it together, the starting RB in Green Bay could be serious value.
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I can see the Slackers running a balanced attack as they have Rb depth. Green will be the starter if healthy and looks to be more active in the passing game as well with Fisher gone and some suspect Wrs now with Walker gone and Ferguson still unproven.But I think the Slack will always be a pass 1st team with Favre at Qb.

 
Green is coming off season ending injury. Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing? This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness. Much ado about nothing here.
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returning to greatness? Surely you dont think that is even possible?
 
Any thread that includes a reference to Najah Davenport and the phrase "carry the load" is going to get one of these

I said NOTHING about Najah ever carrying the load..to the contrary I said he is always hurt and more or less will never carry the load..so? I feel that if Green cant even practice with the team till after training camp it just does not look good for him early on and his rankings and expectations may need to be lowered.

 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
 
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Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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He was never expected to be ready for minicamp. It has always been a training camp or preseason time table for the guy.
 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
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Not being ready for minicamp does not put him behind his time table for returning.
 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
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Not being ready for minicamp does not put him behind his time table for returning.
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but not being able to practice until AFTER training camp in late JULY might be and either way just does not sound good for Green this year esp early own weeks 1-6 MO. I mean really what kind of shape could he possibly be in come week one at this pace?
 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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He was never expected to be ready for minicamp. It has always been a training camp or preseason time table for the guy.
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well then if his time table to be able to run and practice again is pre season time..then knock him WAY down the lists and Gado way up.
 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
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Not being ready for minicamp does not put him behind his time table for returning.
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but not being able to practice until AFTER training camp in late JULY might be and either way just does not sound good for Green this year esp early own weeks 1-6 MO. I mean really what kind of shape could he possibly be in come week one at this pace?
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He says right now he is unsure about that. Not that he will not...that he is not sure. Not quite an exact science.It all also depends on what kind of offseason conditioning and working out he has been able to do. And when he does make it in.

Again, I do not have his official time-table for return anyway, Im simply quite sure it was never supposed to be in minicamp...nor would they risk it until training camp when that time comes.

 
I didnt want to deal with the headaches
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From a fantasy perspective, I think this could be a big headache this season. Assuming Green is healthy (or close to it) I think all three RBs will end up starting games this season. Green and Davenport are huge injury risks but I would view them as the top 2 on the depth chart if everyone is able to go at the start of camp with Gado third. If Green and/or Davenport are slowed during camp that will open the door for Gado to make a real push to be the Week 1 starter. But I think the Packers want Green to be their starter and use Davenport and Gado as complementary RBs to hopefully keep him healthy throughout the season.However, I have no confidence Green or Davenport will stay healthy so if I was to target a RB here it would be Gado, assuming he isn't overvalued in my draft and I can get him after the top backup RBs are off the board. That's at this time. All of this is subject to change based on the health of Green and Davenport.

 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
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Not being ready for minicamp does not put him behind his time table for returning.
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but not being able to practice until AFTER training camp in late JULY might be and either way just does not sound good for Green this year esp early own weeks 1-6 MO. I mean really what kind of shape could he possibly be in come week one at this pace?
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He says right now he is unsure about that. Not that he will not...that he is not sure. Not quite an exact science.It all also depends on what kind of offseason conditioning and working out he has been able to do. And when he does make it in.

Again, I do not have his official time-table for return anyway, Im simply quite sure it was never supposed to be in minicamp...nor would they risk it until training camp when that time comes.
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Green is recovering from very serious knee and quad injuries suffered last season and by his own admission said he might not be ready to practice until the end of training camp. if he himself does not think he can play until the end of training camp it just cant be good FF news for anyone who has him or is interested in him at this point..that all...later

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Any thread that includes a reference to Najah Davenport and the phrase "carry the load" is going to get one of these :lmao:

I said NOTHING about Najah ever carrying the load..to the contrary I said he is always hurt and more or less will never carry the load..so? I feel that if Green cant even practice with the team till after training camp it just does not look good for him early on and his rankings and expectations may need to be lowered.
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Sir, you misunderstand me. I was making a poop joke.
 
Any thread that includes a reference to Najah Davenport and the phrase "carry the load" is going to get one of these  :lmao:

I said NOTHING about Najah ever carrying the load..to the contrary I said he is always hurt and more or less will never carry the load..so? I feel that if Green cant even practice with the team till after training camp it just does not look good for him early on and his rankings and expectations may need to be lowered.
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Sir, you misunderstand me. I was making a poop joke.
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LMAO..got me..that was to funny..just keep him out of your closet!!! :lmao:

 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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Didn't Buckhalter blow out his knee in minicamp - or was it twice?
 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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Didn't Buckhalter blow out his knee in minicamp - or was it twice?
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three times...lol..but this guy is making yet another comeback and is really working his ### off in the gym..
 
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an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
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Green just turned 29 (born 02/16/1977)He is only one season away from a string of four consecutive Pro Bowl years.

Green has had only 5 seasons as the main ball carrier. 3 of those 5 seasons he saw less than 300 carries.

Green has suffered only one major injury (torn quadriceps last year) in his NFL career.

These multiple knee injuries/surgeries DonnyT33 refers to, is really one and it's not an injury, it's tendinitis. Green has had the tendinitis under control for a few years now and has not undergone multiple knee surgeries.

 
an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
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Green just turned 29 (born 02/16/1977)He is only one season away from a string of four consecutive Pro Bowl years.

Green has had only 5 seasons as the main ball carrier. 3 of those 5 seasons he saw less than 300 carries.

Green has suffered only one major injury (torn quadriceps last year) in his NFL career.

These multiple knee injuries/surgeries DonnyT33 refers to, is really one and it's not an injury, it's tendinitis. Green has had the tendinitis under control for a few years now and has not undergone multiple knee surgeries.
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Bingo.So far he is on schedule with his rehab too...this was expected that he would not be back for minicamp...and even if he was I suspect they would sit him out.

 
an over 30 RB with multiple knee surgeries and now another and a ripped off quad last year..is behind in his rehab and time table still hurt is not much ado about nothing? Hmmm sounds like you don't belong around here with a comment like that dude. He also could not find anyone who wanted him this off season and resigned for peanuts and almost no signing bonus...things like this are much ado about everything until he actually proves he can play nearly as well again..you take him in rounds 2-4 in any early drafts or survivors..good luck with that.
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Green just turned 29 (born 02/16/1977)He is only one season away from a string of four consecutive Pro Bowl years.

Green has had only 5 seasons as the main ball carrier. 3 of those 5 seasons he saw less than 300 carries.

Green has suffered only one major injury (torn quadriceps last year) in his NFL career.

These multiple knee injuries/surgeries DonnyT33 refers to, is really one and it's not an injury, it's tendinitis. Green has had the tendinitis under control for a few years now and has not undergone multiple knee surgeries.
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how far did you check back? what about the work done on his shoulders? Last year he blew out the ankle and quad on the same play...so add in the shoulder and ankle..he also has a bad asthma problem that makes it hard to finish games..these new injuries have just come at a bad time IMO and judging by the price he was signed for and the teams interested in him(none) I would say he is a longshot to ever be the same again and until I see him play he wont be on any of my teams no matter how much value he has in any early draft..later
 
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how far did you check back?
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His 8 year Pro career. Did not check College or High School though.
what about the work done on his shoulders?
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What work on his shoulders? I had not heard this and can't find any mention of it. Are you sure about these shoulder injuries and Green having work done on them?
Last year he blew out the ankle
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He did? I had not heard this and can't find any mention of it. Are you sure of the ankle injury?
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I wouldn't. I think you might be confusing those injuries with other backs and applying them to Green.
he also has a bad asthma problem that makes it hard to finish games..
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Green has had this asthma problem his whole life. They keep oxygen tanks on hand as well. Not sure why you feel his asthma will effect him more in 2006 than it has in previous years?
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+--------------------------+-------------------------+                 |          Rushing         |        Receiving        |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1998 sea |  16 |    35    209    6.0    1 |     3      2   0.7    0 || 1999 sea |  14 |    26    120    4.6    0 |     0      0   0.0    0 || 2000 gnb |  16 |   263   1175    4.5   10 |    73    559   7.7    3 || 2001 gnb |  16 |   304   1387    4.6    9 |    62    594   9.6    2 || 2002 gnb |  14 |   286   1240    4.3    7 |    57    393   6.9    2 || 2003 gnb |  16 |   355   1883    5.3   15 |    50    367   7.3    5 || 2004 gnb |  15 |   259   1163    4.5    7 |    40    275   6.9    1 || 2005 gnb |   5 |    77    255    3.3    0 |    19    147   7.7    0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+|  TOTAL   | 112 |  1605   7432    4.6   49 |   304   2337   7.7   13 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
I'd wait until we see how Green does starting late July and on, before sticking the fork in him. :shrug:
 
I think the reason there wasn't much interest out there in Green was he's on the downside of his career, plus the injury. He may have on or two very good years left in him yet, but who would want to spend money to get him when the future is pretty much over.

But if if if, his rehab goes well, and if if if, the line comes together, Green could be back to close to 2003 production. Even 75% of that would make him a RB #1.

2250 total yards and 20 td's x .75 = 1700 yards and 15 td's.

 
how far did you check back?
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His 8 year Pro career. Did not check College or High School though.
what about the work done on his shoulders?
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What work on his shoulders? I had not heard this and can't find any mention of it. Are you sure about these shoulder injuries and Green having work done on them?
Last year he blew out the ankle
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He did? I had not heard this and can't find any mention of it. Are you sure of the ankle injury?
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I wouldn't. I think you might be confusing those injuries with other backs and applying them to Green.
he also has a bad asthma problem that makes it hard to finish games..
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Green has had this asthma problem his whole life. They keep oxygen tanks on hand as well. Not sure why you feel his asthma will effect him more in 2006 than it has in previous years?                 +--------------------------+-------------------------+                 |          Rushing         |        Receiving        |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1998 sea |  16 |    35    209    6.0    1 |     3      2   0.7    0 || 1999 sea |  14 |    26    120    4.6    0 |     0      0   0.0    0 || 2000 gnb |  16 |   263   1175    4.5   10 |    73    559   7.7    3 || 2001 gnb |  16 |   304   1387    4.6    9 |    62    594   9.6    2 || 2002 gnb |  14 |   286   1240    4.3    7 |    57    393   6.9    2 || 2003 gnb |  16 |   355   1883    5.3   15 |    50    367   7.3    5 || 2004 gnb |  15 |   259   1163    4.5    7 |    40    275   6.9    1 || 2005 gnb |   5 |    77    255    3.3    0 |    19    147   7.7    0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+|  TOTAL   | 112 |  1605   7432    4.6   49 |   304   2337   7.7   13 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+I'd wait until we see how Green does starting late July and on, before sticking the fork in him. :shrug:
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DonnyT33 = :own3d: Again, much ado about nothing especially at this time of year.

 
Not trying to own anybody.

Even though DonnyT33 got Greens age and the multiple knee surgeries wrong, he may know something regarding the other injuries.

Just because I hadn't heard about Ahman's shoulder injuries and him having work done on them, or about the bad ankle, it doesn't mean DonnyT33 is wrong.

If he's sure about those additional injuries to Green, that's certainly newsworthy and needed to be posted.

I would definitely take those injuries into consideration when ranking Green, if they are indeed unknown injuries just now coming to light.

 
Not trying to own anybody.

Even though DonnyT33 got Greens age and the multiple knee surgeries wrong, he may know something regarding the other injuries.

Just because I hadn't heard about Ahman's shoulder injuries and him having work done on them, or about the bad ankle, it doesn't mean DonnyT33 is wrong.

If he's sure about those additional injuries to Green, that's certainly newsworthy and needed to be posted.

I would definitely take those injuries into consideration when ranking Green, if they are indeed unknown injuries just now coming to light.
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There is nothing to what he is claiming.
 
Not trying to own anybody.

Even though DonnyT33 got Greens age and the multiple knee surgeries wrong, he may know something regarding the other injuries.

Just because I hadn't heard about Ahman's shoulder injuries and him having work done on them, or about the bad ankle, it doesn't mean DonnyT33 is wrong.

If he's sure about those additional injuries to Green, that's certainly newsworthy and needed to be posted.

I would definitely take those injuries into consideration when ranking Green, if they are indeed unknown injuries just now coming to light.
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There is nothing to what he is claiming.
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Oh!Well never mind then.

 
I knock Green down on my board because he is on a pass first team, his QB will wanting to impress in his final go round with the NFL, his OL is less than stellar, and I would expect that his workload will be lightened by Gado.

As already mentioned, discussing his recovery is irrelevant with training camp, preseason, and the start of the regular season so far away.

If you are drafting today (which if you are then you need to find a new league cuz this is way too early) then avoid the GB run situation until the 5th round, otherwise lets all sit back and see how things play out.

 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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Sure, minicamp doesn't mean anything when a guy like Favre sits out. And it wouldn't mean much if Green was held out for nothing more than precautionary reasons. But the fact of the matter is, Ahman Green can't even run right now. They're saying he won't be able to run - AT ALL - until late summer. That is very, very significant. So, no, missing minicamp isn't a big deal, but the reason behind his absence is a legitimate concern.You can keep burying your head in the sand and claim much ado about nothing if you want.

 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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Sure, minicamp doesn't mean anything when a guy like Favre sits out. And it wouldn't mean much if Green was held out for nothing more than precautionary reasons. But the fact of the matter is, Ahman Green can't even run right now. They're saying he won't be able to run - AT ALL - until late summer. That is very, very significant. So, no, missing minicamp isn't a big deal, but the reason behind his absence is a legitimate concern.You can keep burying your head in the sand and claim much ado about nothing if you want.
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The reason behind it was known....he was not expected to be ready for minicamp.
 
Green is coming off season ending injury.  Why play him in a mini-camp when it means nothing?  This says nothing more or nothing less about Green's chances of returning to greatness.  Much ado about nothing here.
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It says that Green is not healthy, which is something. If he is healthy you let him play in minicamp - I'd understand your point better if you were talking about a preseason game that he might actually get hurt in.
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IT'S MINICAMP!! It means nothing. They are dry runs. If there is even a tweaked ankle by anyone they dont run around on it during mini camp. Also, it is May. There is still three+ months before any real games. Like I said before... much ado about nothing.
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Sure, minicamp doesn't mean anything when a guy like Favre sits out. And it wouldn't mean much if Green was held out for nothing more than precautionary reasons. But the fact of the matter is, Ahman Green can't even run right now. They're saying he won't be able to run - AT ALL - until late summer. That is very, very significant. So, no, missing minicamp isn't a big deal, but the reason behind his absence is a legitimate concern.You can keep burying your head in the sand and claim much ado about nothing if you want.
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The reason behind it was known....he was not expected to be ready for minicamp.
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Right. And he's not expected to run for a few months yet. That's why it's a concern.
 
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Right. And he's not expected to run for a few months yet. That's why it's a concern.
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If the quadriceps or patellar tendon is completely ruptured, a surgeon will reattach the ends. After surgery, the patient will wear a cast for 3 to 6 weeks and use crutches.....A partial or complete tear of a tendon requires an exercise program as part of rehabilitation that is similar to but less vigorous than that prescribed for ligament injuries. The goals of exercise are to restore the ability to bend and straighten the knee and to strengthen the leg to prevent a repeat injury. A rehabilitation program may last 6 months, although the patient can return to many activities before then.
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pediatrics.about.com I imagine six months is probably for John Q public. Maybe 7 to 8 months for an athlete?

You might want to wait until that normal amount of healing time has passed and Walker Green still isn't in camp, before getting all in a lather about Walker Green missing this mini camp, mnesvig.

Edit: For typo, as pointed out by mnesvig

 
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Right. And he's not expected to run for a few months yet. That's why it's a concern.
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If the quadriceps or patellar tendon is completely ruptured, a surgeon will reattach the ends. After surgery, the patient will wear a cast for 3 to 6 weeks and use crutches.....A partial or complete tear of a tendon requires an exercise program as part of rehabilitation that is similar to but less vigorous than that prescribed for ligament injuries. The goals of exercise are to restore the ability to bend and straighten the knee and to strengthen the leg to prevent a repeat injury. A rehabilitation program may last 6 months, although the patient can return to many activities before then.
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pediatrics.about.com I imagine six months is probably for John Q public. Maybe 7 to 8 months for an athlete?

You might want to wait until that normal amount of healing time has passed and Walker still isn't in camp, before getting all in a lather about Walker missing this mini camp, mnesvig.
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And you might want to know who we're talking about before puffing up your chest!!!
 
Right. And he's not expected to run for a few months yet. That's why it's a concern.
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If the quadriceps or patellar tendon is completely ruptured, a surgeon will reattach the ends. After surgery, the patient will wear a cast for 3 to 6 weeks and use crutches.....A partial or complete tear of a tendon requires an exercise program as part of rehabilitation that is similar to but less vigorous than that prescribed for ligament injuries. The goals of exercise are to restore the ability to bend and straighten the knee and to strengthen the leg to prevent a repeat injury. A rehabilitation program may last 6 months, although the patient can return to many activities before then.
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pediatrics.about.com I imagine six months is probably for John Q public. Maybe 7 to 8 months for an athlete?

You might want to wait until that normal amount of healing time has passed and Walker still isn't in camp, before getting all in a lather about Walker missing this mini camp, mnesvig.
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And you might want to know who we're talking about before puffing up your chest!!!
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:loco: Green, I meant to type Green. That's what happens when you're in multiple threads :lmao: But I'm sure you knew it was a typo.

Walker tore his ACL which takes 12 months to heal.

Green tore his quad tendon which is what is referred to in my quote from pediatrics.about.com

 
I knock Green down on my board because he is on a pass first team, his QB will wanting to impress in his final go round with the NFL, his OL is less than stellar, and I would expect that his workload will be lightened by Davenport.

As already mentioned, discussing his recovery is irrelevant with training camp, preseason, and the start of the regular season so far away. 

If you are drafting today (which if you are then you need to find a new league cuz this is way too early) then avoid the GB run situation until the 5th round, otherwise lets all sit back and see how things play out.
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A common misconception people seem to have is one I'd like to name the Nick Goings factor. The similarities are eerily similar. The established, old starter (Green/S.Davis) is coming back from an injury. The young, talented, fragile backup(Davenport/Foster) is also rehabbing. The last-resort, stopgap, hard working blue-collar guy(Goings/Gado) is ready to go. The fantasy world discounts the middle step and goes straight to the stopgap.

Davenport has most definately shown a propensity to get hurt, and his hands have been a wee bit slippery. But when healthy, there's no doubt he's a force to be reckoned with. In order for Gado to be the primary ballcarrier in Green Bay, a lot of bad things have to happen to Green and Davenport. While a betting man would assume one of the two may run into some injury problems, I'm not sure it would be wise to put your money on BOTH of them breaking at the same time for a 2nd year in a row.

 
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I knock Green down on my board because he is on a pass first team, his QB will wanting to impress in his final go round with the NFL, his OL is less than stellar, and I would expect that his workload will be lightened by Davenport.

As already mentioned, discussing his recovery is irrelevant with training camp, preseason, and the start of the regular season so far away. 

If you are drafting today (which if you are then you need to find a new league cuz this is way too early) then avoid the GB run situation until the 5th round, otherwise lets all sit back and see how things play out.
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A common misconception people seem to have is one I'd like to name the Nick Goings factor. The similarities are eerily similar. The established, old starter (Green/S.Davis) is coming back from an injury. The young, talented, fragile backup(Davenport/Foster) is also rehabbing. The last-resort, stopgap, hard working blue-collar guy(Goings/Gado) is ready to go. The fantasy world discounts the middle step and goes straight to the stopgap.

Davenport has most definately shown a propensity to get hurt, and his hands have been a wee bit slippery. But when healthy, there's no doubt he's a force to be reckoned with. In order for Gado to be the primary ballcarrier in Green Bay, a lot of bad things have to happen to Green and Davenport. While a betting man would assume one of the two may run into some injury problems, I'm not sure it would be wise to put your money on BOTH of them breaking at the same time for a 2nd year in a row.
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But a new coaching staff could affect your theory. They have no ties to Green or Davenport. Sure, they re-signed them, but at a very cheap price. I think with the injuries to both Davenport and Green, Gado will get a long look during the offseason and preseason to compete for the job. Who will win? Who knows? But to simply state that Green, who is coming off a major injury, owns the job is ridiculous.
 
But a new coaching staff could affect your theory. They have no ties to Green or Davenport. Sure, they re-signed them, but at a very cheap price. I think with the injuries to both Davenport and Green, Gado will get a long look during the offseason and preseason to compete for the job. Who will win? Who knows? But to simply state that Green, who is coming off a major injury, owns the job is ridiculous.
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Gado will get as long of a look as he deserves. While he filled in admirably, he is so incredibly far short on talent in relation to the other two that he would have to have an absolutely flawless camp in addition to the other two getting nicked.IMO
 
But to simply state that Green, who is coming off a major injury, owns the job is ridiculous.
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I guess Green Bay's Offensive Coordinator is ridiculous then;
Offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski, one of first-year coach Mike McCarthy's more significant hires, indicated that Ahman Green stands to get the starting nod if the team re-signs the veteran free agent.

"If he's back, obviously it would probably be him. He's a Pro Bowl player," Jagodzinski said. "I'm not going to pigeon-hole anybody. That's Mike's decision on who's the guy. But I would imagine if he's back, as a Pro Bowl player, that's the kind of guy I'd want in there."
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But to simply state that Green, who is coming off a major injury, owns the job is ridiculous.
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I guess Green Bay's Offensive Coordinator is ridiculous then;
Offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski, one of first-year coach Mike McCarthy's more significant hires, indicated that Ahman Green stands to get the starting nod if the team re-signs the veteran free agent.

"If he's back, obviously it would probably be him. He's a Pro Bowl player," Jagodzinski said. "I'm not going to pigeon-hole anybody. That's Mike's decision on who's the guy. But I would imagine if he's back, as a Pro Bowl player, that's the kind of guy I'd want in there."
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What else is he going to say? We brought back a guy entering the downside of his career who has a major injury that likely means he'll never be the same back, but we thought we'd give him a shot since no one else in the NFL wanted him and we could bring him back cheap with no risk on our part.This is coachspeak. Pure and simple. They always side with the veterans in the offseason. We'll see what happens during the season.

 
But to simply state that Green, who is coming off a major injury, owns the job is ridiculous.
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I guess Green Bay's Offensive Coordinator is ridiculous then;
Offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski, one of first-year coach Mike McCarthy's more significant hires, indicated that Ahman Green stands to get the starting nod if the team re-signs the veteran free agent.

"If he's back, obviously it would probably be him. He's a Pro Bowl player," Jagodzinski said. "I'm not going to pigeon-hole anybody. That's Mike's decision on who's the guy. But I would imagine if he's back, as a Pro Bowl player, that's the kind of guy I'd want in there."
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What else is he going to say? We brought back a guy entering the downside of his career who has a major injury that likely means he'll never be the same back, but we thought we'd give him a shot since no one else in the NFL wanted him and we could bring him back cheap with no risk on our part.This is coachspeak. Pure and simple. They always side with the veterans in the offseason. We'll see what happens during the season.
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If you notice it says "if the team re-signs the veteran free agent."Jagodzinski made those comments while Green was still a FA. No reason to do that, unless that's how he thought.

 
But to simply state that Green, who is coming off a major injury, owns the job is ridiculous.
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I guess Green Bay's Offensive Coordinator is ridiculous then;
Offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski, one of first-year coach Mike McCarthy's more significant hires, indicated that Ahman Green stands to get the starting nod if the team re-signs the veteran free agent.

"If he's back, obviously it would probably be him. He's a Pro Bowl player," Jagodzinski said. "I'm not going to pigeon-hole anybody. That's Mike's decision on who's the guy. But I would imagine if he's back, as a Pro Bowl player, that's the kind of guy I'd want in there."
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What else is he going to say? We brought back a guy entering the downside of his career who has a major injury that likely means he'll never be the same back, but we thought we'd give him a shot since no one else in the NFL wanted him and we could bring him back cheap with no risk on our part.This is coachspeak. Pure and simple. They always side with the veterans in the offseason. We'll see what happens during the season.
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If you notice it says "if the team re-signs the veteran free agent."Jagodzinski made those comments while Green was still a FA. No reason to do that, unless that's how he thought.
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Look, the bottom line is that neither one of knows who will start in GB this year. I haven't pretended to, but you seem to think your opinion is fact. I'm not going to continue to debate things with someone like that. Bye now.
 
If everyone's healthy, Green will be the starter unless he totally stinks up the joint and looks horrible. But he'll get the first shot at the starting job. I would not be surprised, however, to see the Packers use all three RBs in order to keep Green as healthy as they can and hopefully keep him on the field for the entire season.

But if he's healthy, Ahman Green is the starting RB for the Packers. How much value you place on him is up to you. Personally, I wouldn't consider him anything more than a lower-end RB3. I think he's on the decline and don't view him as having much upside at all this season.

Something else to consider is that with Fisher gone the Packers no longer have a 3rd-down RB. Green's snaps in that role have decreased the past few seasons and if he regains that role, his snaps will decrease somewhere else because the Packers aren't going to overtax him (plus his asthma situation leads him to being spelled often). Where he could lose the snaps is near the goal line where the Packers could elect to go with Davenport and/or Gado due to their power.

 
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